>and were happy with it
About that: >The purchase of this rifle was opposed by the majority of Polish commanders, but it was purchased because it was one of the conditions by the French to provide loans to the Polish army. >Unfortunately, the complicated design made it difficult to disassemble and clean the weapon and caused frequent jamming. >It was retired as soon as Browning wz. 1928 become available.
the french version was fine. the problems came from the extremely hasty rechambering. the us cartridge was rimless whereas the french cartridge was rimmed, and the us cartridge was quite a bit longer as well. it was probably possible to make a 30-06 chauchat, but not with just the few months of development time that it got.
>Why was this thing considered such a piece of shit in WW1
The biggest factor is 8x50R Lebel; it's such a stubby fat cartridge shape that getting it to slide easily through a reciprocating mechanism is very difficult. The 8x50R magazine design was also very flimsy and easily deformed which didn't help with the first problem. Finally there were serious quality control issues at the primary production contractor: examination of Gladiator-made guns show their dimensional variances were much greater than those made by SIDARME, but Gladiator produced roughly 75% of all the CSRGs.
Belgium got about half their CSRGs either converted or new-made in 7.65x53mm Mauser and combining a rimless cartridge with an improved magazine design resulted in a much more reliable firearm.
Americans were too gutless to join the war until it was in its last months.
Took overFrench designed LMG withtapered cartridge for reliable feeding from curved magazine
Insisted it be made for their straight-sided .30-06 instead so needed straight magazines with worse feed angles.
Rush job because despite arriving late, US hadnt adopted modern LMGs etc in the waiting years. >jammed
Blame the cheesemonkeys
It was not an ideal construction from the start. However originally it worked well enough to be a pretty big export success. The hatred comes from the version made for the Americans; further design errors compounded and the factory for that gun was raised in wartime with inferior leadership, tools, materials and workers. Most people who sneer at it doesn't even know about the first version.
Americans don't know how to take car of guns. They were used to their cowboy guns and shooting in clean shooting ranges and wilderness unlike the Europeans who were fighting in the mud and trenches like real men.
It's the same with cars. European cars are reliable if you take car of them and do oil changes regularly. Americans don't even change their oil for 10,000 miles until it's too late.
It was shit in the sense the Sten was shit, the ability to be mass produce while being okay was prioritized over it being good.
The 30-06 version was actually shit.
Jammed up a lot with heating and dirt especially with the American version
should of just used normal assault rifels, that think barely has a longer clip
That's what the BAR tried to be, but it didn't do so hot in the trenches either.
Only burgers had problems with those. Poles rechambered them to mauser cartridge, and were happy with it.
You could give Poles a stick smeared in shit and they'll still like it
Poland is 98 percent white, whiter than you Amermiutt
You're obviously talking to some Gunless euro, dumbass.
>and were happy with it
About that:
>The purchase of this rifle was opposed by the majority of Polish commanders, but it was purchased because it was one of the conditions by the French to provide loans to the Polish army.
>Unfortunately, the complicated design made it difficult to disassemble and clean the weapon and caused frequent jamming.
>It was retired as soon as Browning wz. 1928 become available.
the only opinions i've heard on this gun are 3rd hand from Americans, but what did the french think of it?
the french version was fine. the problems came from the extremely hasty rechambering. the us cartridge was rimless whereas the french cartridge was rimmed, and the us cartridge was quite a bit longer as well. it was probably possible to make a 30-06 chauchat, but not with just the few months of development time that it got.
>Why was this thing considered such a piece of shit in WW1
The biggest factor is 8x50R Lebel; it's such a stubby fat cartridge shape that getting it to slide easily through a reciprocating mechanism is very difficult. The 8x50R magazine design was also very flimsy and easily deformed which didn't help with the first problem. Finally there were serious quality control issues at the primary production contractor: examination of Gladiator-made guns show their dimensional variances were much greater than those made by SIDARME, but Gladiator produced roughly 75% of all the CSRGs.
Belgium got about half their CSRGs either converted or new-made in 7.65x53mm Mauser and combining a rimless cartridge with an improved magazine design resulted in a much more reliable firearm.
Why the open magazine 🙁 surely they could designed it in an other way. The only benefit I can see is the ability to count how much ammo is left
This : it was supposed to be crewed by two men : one o them reload and keep an eye on the number of aminitions
easier to clean
Americans were too gutless to join the war until it was in its last months.
Took overFrench designed LMG withtapered cartridge for reliable feeding from curved magazine
Insisted it be made for their straight-sided .30-06 instead so needed straight magazines with worse feed angles.
Rush job because despite arriving late, US hadnt adopted modern LMGs etc in the waiting years.
>jammed
Blame the cheesemonkeys
It was not an ideal construction from the start. However originally it worked well enough to be a pretty big export success. The hatred comes from the version made for the Americans; further design errors compounded and the factory for that gun was raised in wartime with inferior leadership, tools, materials and workers. Most people who sneer at it doesn't even know about the first version.
Americans don't know how to take car of guns. They were used to their cowboy guns and shooting in clean shooting ranges and wilderness unlike the Europeans who were fighting in the mud and trenches like real men.
It's the same with cars. European cars are reliable if you take car of them and do oil changes regularly. Americans don't even change their oil for 10,000 miles until it's too late.
moron, whomst do you think is?
man euros really don't understand cars, guns, OR oil, do they?
The Euro doesn't think, it just sees a chance to say 'America bad' and hopes there's other Euros around for a circlejerk to form.
No Chauchat, Sug!
It was shit in the sense the Sten was shit, the ability to be mass produce while being okay was prioritized over it being good.
The 30-06 version was actually shit.