As per the title, do you guys find yourselves acting or reasoning differently during social interactions if you're CCing a gun as opposed to being unarmed? In terms of social anxiety/confidence, do you feel better or worse?
CCW psychology
As per the title, do you guys find yourselves acting or reasoning differently during social interactions if you're CCing a gun as opposed to being unarmed? In terms of social anxiety/confidence, do you feel better or worse?
We can't carry our handguns up here, so my opinion doesn't mean shit, but I can't imagine it changing anything psychologically unless I was already sketched out by a person in the first place. Like why would it change how you feel interacting with the average person?
Your opinion is valid even if you don't carry publicly. I was just curious whether having a gun would affect behaviour in social situations the same way, say, wearing a nice suit or carrying a lot of money would.
Gotcha. Yeah, I don't think it would affect my mindset
No one ever it does.
It would have to in some way. Or the inverse, someone who carries stops.
This, it just makes you more willing to talk to sketchy people, with real people you're the same
Hey there neighbour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Gardner
>Toronto mayoral candidate and former councillor Norm Gardner, who had a concealed carry permit for several years in the 1990s, said the weapon made him “very, very calm.” “I was asked to go in and help some of the residents in the Jane and Finch area against the drug problem that was going on in the area, and I did, and I did have an altercation with somebody … who was really a drug dealer,” he said. “As a result of that, I applied for a concealed carry permit.” Gardiner, a Metro councillor at the time who sat on the Police Services Board, was approved after talking to then-Toronto police chief Jack Marks, he said. For several years, Gardner carried a Glock 19, a compact handgun. “It makes you much calmer than you might ordinarily be, because you don’t want to have to get into a situation where someone could take it from you, or you could expose the firearm, or anything like that.” In 1992, while he had the permit, Gardner shot and wounded a man breaking into a store he owned. He was never charged.
Different times, then.
I'm armed pretty much all the time so there's no real difference.
datamining thread
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I actually find myself acting with a lot more restraint now that I carry a gun.
When I was younger I would get myself into streetfights etc and was generally a hotheaded little shit.
Whether it's maturity in general or the fact that any altercation could become lethal pretty much instantly (not that that wasn't the case when I was scrapping all the time), I'm a lot more even tempered and conflict-avoidant with a gun in my waistband.
I know what you mean, I guess it’s taught me a little about what confidence really means
That’s the based and pragmatic answer.Walk a mile to avoid a fight but fight like hell if trouble finds you.
I concur. I always notice I’m much more polite with people when I’m packing.
It’s probably because my anxiety is a lot better.
I feel no different in social situations, except for an occasional wave of aloneness when I remember how hostile almost all of my acquaintances are to guns (some would absolutely not be able to process my being armed, would blow a gasket). It’s not an unpleasant feeling, really. I live in a shitty place and I know someday I’ll be at home somewhere.
>Wojak standing in corner of party .png
bout the same, sometimes I walk into courthouses or federal buildings and forget they have metal detectors and a bunch of bored cops
>do you guys find yourselves acting or reasoning differently during social interactions if you're CCing a gun as opposed to being unarmed?
No, not at all.
I don't see why you would even if you had crippling social anxiety, it's not like the fear in that case is a fear of suddenly being attacked. It's presumably a fear of social ridicule or something along those lines and that's not something a gun can protect you from.
>and that's not something a gun can protect you from.
Oh yeah?
You pretty much have to act like a bitch when you carry. No screaming at the guy who cut you off. No arguing with the guy who cut in line. No losing your temper if someone bumps you with their cart. You have to be the calm and reasonable one because if you find yourself in a situation where you have to use your gun they will use everything against you. Last thing you want is the prosecutor to concoct some bullshit story about how you instigated a fight because you yelled fuck off to someone who pulled into your parking space and then refused to back down.
That's the opposite of acting like a bitch. Bitches let emotions carry them away
Yeah.
You'll know you have the right temperment for it if you find yourself getting mostly annoyed instead of hot when somebody escalates a situation.
If you get into verbal altercations over something as trivial as a parking space you are retarded and shouldn't be allowed to drive or leave the group home, let alone carry a gun
Go back to plebbit.
I fear no morons
It doesn’t change my attitude. I’m not looking for a fight in general so I don’t act like I’m looking for a fight. I don’t have the hero complex.
>As per the title, do you guys find yourselves acting or reasoning differently during social interactions if you're CCing a gun as opposed to being unarmed?
I'm always acting, whether armed or not, because normies lose their shit real quick if they think you don't act like them.
>In terms of social anxiety/confidence, do you feel better or worse?
It doesn't change my social anxiety at all.
What carrying has made me notice is that people are fucking clueless and have absolutely zero situational awareness. They know things are fucked, but they're determined as hell to keep their heads in the sand, and keep things as they are, for as long as they can.
Get back on the meds and back to PrepHole, schizo
Wow you’re so woke. Can I suck your feminine penis?
>Am I printing? No? Ok we're good
Thays about it.
I had this awful feeling something was just not right the other morning.
After about an hour I realized I hadn't rechambered my 1911
>all these posts saying carrying makes you calmer
lol it makes me ballsier
Slam your horn on me for no reason? I stick my middle finger out the winder and driver slower
Ride my rear bumper and try to illegally pass me? I swerve to block you from passing and i drive slower
Act retarded in public (throwing shit around) and everybody is just watching? I yell in a drill sergeant voice and tell you to leave the store
All of these have happened
oh and i forgot to add that i literally brandished a firearm on a pack of ferals when i caught them assaulting 2 people sitting on their porch. idc... they scattered like roaches
Its the same, the only diff is now when shits sketchy instead holding a knife now its a gun. I also now back away from anyone closing gaps
I haven't left the house without a gun at any point in my adult life, so I can't say.
It made me tell my friends they need to control their bullshit while drunk more often. One time we were at a bar and some guy walked up asking for a smoke (none of us do) after we told him no he started getting pissed which in turn got my friends all uppity. Finally I pulled them to the side after the guy fucked off and straight up told them that if they get into a fight and start getting their ass whipped, I'm not getting involved because I'm not about to have a charge and see a court room on account of their dumbasses. Fortunately they respected that stance.
My personal stance is not to carry at all when I drink, even if I'm just sipping a few and not getting totally drunk. Physical altercations are simply more likely when alcohol is involved, most bars prohibit carry anyways, and even if it happens outside the bar, a prosecutor can make a whole lot of hay out of a licensed self-defense shooter having alcohol in their system. Just ain't worth the legal risk.
so the better option is to let yourself get hurt/killed?
The better option is to avoid fights like a mature adult. However I realize that's not always possible for many reasons.
All I'm saying is if you shoot somebody while drinking when but for the presence of the gun, it would have only been a drunken brawl, then you're gonna be fighting an uphill court battle in most jurisdictions. I'm not talking about random dindu's jumping you outside a bar to steal your shit, I'm talking about drunk-on-drunk asshattery.
The random dindu's jumping you are less likely in most places but still possible, and yeah without a gun in that situation you're shit out of luck and I won't deny that.
I still maintain that the average anon is more likely to unnecessarily get himself in trouble carrying a gun while drunk than rightfully defend himself from violent pre-meditated crime.
Call me a retarded gay but that's my logic and I'll stick to it
In my state its illegal to carry while intoxicated at all. As soon as the alcohol touches your lips you are the default problem and the stars need to be aligned for you to win your case if not. I tend to fully back that as well, and wish the legal system would treat prescription pills with the same treatment. If you can't get out of bed with pills, you aren't of sound judgement on or off the pills.
The state of Georgia no longer requires licensing to carry a firearm, concealed or not
That's great but that also doesn't mean there aren't restrictions on when, where, how you carry as well as the manner in which you conduct youself while you do.
>YOU CAN’T USE YOUR CCW TO GET A BARTENDER’S ATTENTION
It's a reasonable restriction imo. Drunken fights are bound to happen, and if two drunks are gonna fight, there's no reason it should involve any weapons; only hands, which already carries enough risk as it is, but doesn't put bystanders in nearly as much danger. I know dudes who can't piss straight after four beers, let alone shoot straight.
Doesn't mean a privately owned business can't restrict you from carrying a gun on their property, and doesn't mean you can legally carry while drinking.
Carry a gun, but know the law and practice restraint.
Makes no sense whatsoever, you could easily just say no carrying above 0.08 BAC
That sort of dumb ass law gets through because the anti gun wives and the teetotaling protestant wives form an alliance
>gets through because the anti gun wives and the teetotaling protestant wives form an alliance
the ramblings of an uninformed halfwit with delusions of self importance and a john wick-style hero fantasy
It's just good safety sense. When I'm shitposting with buddies, I play with guns to practice reload drills and whatnot but once the booze comes out, the guns get put away.
>Please sir, I’ve had a sip of beer, take away my right to defend my family
I hope you’re canadian
Not talking about defending family. Talking about drunken fights between people drinking in drinking establishments. Nobody's stopping you from carrying a gun in a bar, but if you have a few drinks and then get in a fist fight with some other fuckstick (because you're both drinking) and you shoot him, you're a pussy who's afraid to lose a bar brawl and you should have the book thrown at you in court, simply because you're a pussy who:
1.) isn't mature enough to avoid a fight,
2.) is incapable of fighting, and
3.) is retarded enough to ignore your jurisdiction's restrictions on carrying while drinking.
Irresponsible tards like you and anyone else who carries while drinking make gun owners look bad, and THAT is what results in dumbass laws
Defend the law you just supported, one that restricts our rights to carry weapons to defend ourselves and our families when consuming any alcohol or visiting a normal social gathering place.
Are you actually retarded, or just spastically arguing in bad faith because you have no skin in the game?
so people who ignore/break gun laws don't make gun owners look bad?
>You guys shouldering braces are the reason for anti-gun legislation!
Bro, at this point post your passport
If you carry a gun and drink you are an idiot. How degenerate are you that must have alcohol whenever it’s available?
If you don’t carry a gun every day you’re a pussy and if you can’t have a couple beers without losing your senses you are not an adult male. I have no doubt that whoever posted this does not carry a gun regularly. Grubbing for more restrictions on the right to bear arms when you yourself own guns is absolutely subhuman, post your passport.
Post your carry gun. Mine actually has use from wear of being carried every single day
380 is an ideal caliber for a man who can’t be trusted with a glass of wine
It’s a 32. And it’s a back up pistol. You still haven’t posted your gun.
>32
Absolutely rich. My EDC is a very unique 1911 and one could use it to link me to profiles on other sites where my location is listed.
Lol, timestamp and cover up the unique identifying features you gay.
>spends next twenty minutes looking for a pic to steal or just leaves thread
>Loses an argument, is mocked, retaliates by inconveniencing opponent
I’m absolutely not going to do that, it would require obscuring most of the gun
I carry a full size 40 and much like
said, you’re a gay. Go post on Facebook about your guns and beer.
You are an idiot.
You're conflating multiple different things
>defending your family
Depends greatly on context, just like when you're sober. Being drunk or under the influence isn't a gurantee that you're in the wrong, but it doesn't look great. If you get into a fight in a bar while drunk and shoot a guy, that's an entirely different situation than shooting a home invader after you've downed 12 Mike's Hard Lemonade, which no one has a problem with. If you have some kind of issue with this, you're a retard and likely don't take responsibility for your actions and a complete sociopath.
>visiting a normal gathering place
In Wisconsin, you are allowed to carry in a bar, you are not allowed to consume alcohol in a bar. This is basic, very common sense, and you've pulled this portion completely out of your ass.
>consuming any alcohol
Yes. Way too many idiots get even more idiotic when they consume alcohol, and you are one of them. If you don't think you're one of them, that's a gurantee that you are and I don't care what yoh think. You, and everyone else for that matter, are not capable of making sound judgements involving lethal force while intoxicated, regardless of if its alcohol, weed, or prescription medication.
Nobody in this thread has argued in favor of carrying while intoxicated. Several bug-men have argued in favor of laws prohibiting armed self defense while going about normal, non-intoxicated life, which includes things like spending time at social gathering places and having a glass of wine with a steak.
It's like you haven't read a single post in this thread
Point out a single post in this thread that argues in favor of carrying while intoxicated. Here is the original post that got the argument going:
>Argues for 0.08 BAC threshold, like driving
If there’s anything you need help reading just paste it here and I’m sure a native English speaking adult can sort you out
if you can't handle carrying while drunk you shouldn't carry sober. Luckily I can do better
It's still illegal, and you will be penalized for using your firearm while drinking. How is it so difficult for your window-licking brain to understand that's the point here?
You can attempt to split hairs as much as you'd like, but "spending time at social gathering places" was covered already, and nobody has argued against it, only agianst you doing 14 shots of tequila and thinking you're in the right state of mind to exercise lethal force.
>having a glass of wine with a steak
That's nice, but again, impaired judgement.
You can get cute with euphemisms as much as you'd like, I know a guy staring at 35+ years in state prison because he didn't know when to stop and decided to get cute, too.
>having a glass of wine with a steak
That's nice, but again, impaired judgement
>I want rights with zero responsibility
Letting women on the internet was a mistake
>I don’t want rights
Letting your ancestors in this country was a profound mistake
>That's nice, but again, impaired judgement
Absolute NPC cop brain
You can't handle your liquor
What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?
The most charitable explanation I can think of for this kind of self-cucking is that this dude is East Asian with a BMI of 17 and gets wasted after half a Heineken, otherwise likely
>canadian
To me, its less about shooting straight (though physical impairment certainly is reason enough), but judgement alone is influenced by alcohol so severely that anything that you do can't be trusted to be of sound judgement. That's not exactly a solid foundation for making decisions involving lethal force.
There are shit tons of addicts and retards that think they're perfectly fine intoxicated, thats fine and they're wrong.
Sperg American notions about alcohol are so depressing, there’s a reason Euro parents teach their kids to handle a glass of wine with dinner
>intoxicated
You’re intoxicated when you have a single beer? You also get contact drunk from walking into a bar?
>My personal stance is not to carry at all when I drink, even if I'm just sipping a few and not getting totally drunk. Physical altercations are simply more likely when alcohol is involved, most bars prohibit carry anyways, and even if it happens outside the bar, a prosecutor can make a whole lot of hay out of a licensed self-defense shooter having alcohol in their system. Just ain't worth the legal risk.
I respect that, but the fact of the matter is I don't go anywhere unarmed anymore. The penalty of being caught at the bar with a firearm here is a misdeamenor (assuming you don't leave after being told). I don't engage in petty squabbles (the last "fight" I was in was highschool). I'm 6'5 and about 300lbs so I doubt I'm a prime target for someone trying to fight. If I'm getting involved in any physical altercation it will A) not be of my own doing, and B) a situation where I'm DAMN SURE the person is a danger to me.
Yeah all good points, nobody fucks with the big fella, and you're the big fella. When and why to carry is all up to the person carrying, and as long as you know your local laws and practice restraint, you can't go wrong.
ever try carrying in a country where guns are banned? that's some next level big dickb swinging energy
Everyone I've ever heard speak about carrying a gun says generally the same thing. It makes you want to avoid all conflict, because more than likely you'll have the final say in said conflict if you shoot somebody. However, your life will be completely upended because the law sees somebody with a gun, a dead body and wants to pursue charges regardless of circumstance. Unless it is in very defined categories or scenarios, the state wants to see you crucified. Its really funny, actually. They issue licenses and then prosecute people who exercise said privilege (see: God given Right)
I'm under the impression that its a trap in many ways, actually. Doesn't mean it should be done, but it will change how you approach many problems
I’ve drawn and fired twice.
Warning shots, (yes, I know it’s foolish and illegal, but this was 40 years ago before people got reasonable about self-defense).
It makes you circumspect and always with your head in a swivel, checking the entrances and exits, making little mental notes of concealment and cover and social groupings that might become problems.
But…it also imbues quiet self-confidence.
And, I’ve been CCWing for so long that I can Al ost spot the other responsible adults that are strapped.
They’re not loud, they don’t drink very much at all, they favor corners and walls near an exit, and preferably near some substantial furniture or structure, and they’re always observing.
No but I routinely chuckle to myself when people I know would be upset at me are being cordial and polite instead all because they don't know.
If it was OC the entire interaction would have been different.
>social anxiety
yeah you're too underage to CC so why are you even asking
hoping you can find something that'll make you feel like a man?
start exercising, how about
It's illegal in my country so yeah, it affects my mind. But being murdered by feral futur doctors is illegal too, it's happening everyday still, and it also bothers my mind. So you gotta choose.
I never sought out conflict in my life and always let shit go but I noticed when I turned 21 and got my chp that I became way, way more complacent and "pussified" with any kind of conflict.
carrying a gun doesn't give you the right to win an argument, it gives you one last chance to not die at the hands of someone who is hell bent on killing you
My mentality is the same whether I'm ocing or ccing. I don't oc often because it's gay, but I will if I'm doing a quick trip to the store or something where my personal comfort and convenience is more important than other people's feelings. Regardless, I've only ever had someone give me shit for ocing once in the last decade (i live in a red county in a blue state) who clearly wanted to make a scene, and the best option I saw was just to not play into it so I just said "thank you, have a nice day" to everything he said or shouted
when you mention confidence, it's extremely important that you do not misinterpret "confidence" as "hey fuck that guy, I can shoot him" or "that guy cut me off, i'll show him." That's how you catch charges.
it sounds cringe and r*dditpilled but maturity and wisdom is really, really important when deciding to carry a gun
forgot pic, I love this lil nibba like you wouldn't believe
I don't feel any different unless I'm in a dangerous environment or wild petbulls around, then I feel pretty secured. Other than that it feels like an other appendage. Like your peepee, You don't whip it out until you're ready to use it
In the past 5 years I had 3 incidents when people started shit with me and all 3 ware rare occasions when I was not packing.
I really don't think I act differently when Im armed, but maybe I project some aura thugs detect subconciously?
I have a pokey stick if I don't have a gun so it's usually just how I feel that particular day
Anyone got that video of the white guy who pulled out his gun but was too chicken shit to use it, then got his ass beat.
Anybody else cc a snubnose? Love my Taurus 856
How is the printing, particularly at the cylinder? I dream of appendix carrying a K frame but doesn’t seem feasible
I app carry the 856 and I'd say the biggest thing to worry about for printing is the holster. Get a holster made specifically for your exact model of snubby and printing won't be an issue. They're very svelte guns
Yeah. I put people in their place if they disrespect me. With this machine of iron on my hip I have the power of life and death over them. I also walk up to women with complete confidence because they know I’m a strong man who wields the absolute power. Saying no isn’t an option and I make sure to flash my sidearm so they get the picture.
when im armed i actually feel less safe because im SCANNING FOR THREATS
apart from the normal shit (don't get mad, don't start shit with people, etc):
>refuse to sit with my back to the door at restaurants
>compulsively close and lock doors behind me
>don't carry things in my right hand now, will hold all groceries with the left
>compulsively lock door to car as soon as getting in, nearly started a fight with my wife when she was sitting in the passenger seat one time talking to her mom on the phone with the car running, door wide open
>at night, walk as close to the curb as possible, round corners about 4 feet from them instead of against the building wall
>unlock door completely silently, throw it open every time
>keys always ready in left hand whenever I'm exiting/entering something locked
>check peephole when opening door always
I have a tremendous fear of being drawn on and having the embarrassment of getting my gun stolen when robbed
that and also:
>never break more than one law at a time, if you're drinking, don't speed or carry. if you're carrying, don't drink or speed. if you're speeding, don't drink or carry
>compulsively sit in a very specific way everywhere because I had the delight of sitting at a restaurant and my holster got caught on the open back of the chair, which tugged my gun out of the holster when I went to stand up, making it CLATTER onto the floor.
everytime I see white trash, morons, mexicans and pitbulls my hand automatically inches towards my gun. i learned to be aware of poor people, minorities and white w*men having intercourse with pits
cring
>oh no not the poor doggos and niggos
more like
>white w*men having intercourse with pits
>I’m not white and I get my opinions from 4chan
I'm always super paranoid about losing it somewhere. I got into a fight one time and I had my gun on me, and it never even occurred to me to pull it out. It was just a dumb fist fight, back in the day when they sort of thing happened and it wasn't a big deal.
Wow, gun control anon is a massreply redditor, who could have anticipated this
I've carried so much I don't even think about my gun most of the time. I know I used to be very nervous for the first year or so. Its just the normal state of mind for me.
I behave a little more conscientiously when carrying.
As the guy with the gun, legally, I think I'll be under more scrutiny if some shit pops off.
That's about it.
A palpably artificial affectation of propriety is frequently unsettling for the prospective malefactor, but you have to be suggestive.
I literally carry my gun everywhere I go so I have no frame of reference. And even if I didn't I forget that I have it 99% of the time so I don't think it would make much of a difference unless there's some subconscious thing I'm now aware of. You're also forgetting social interactions require 2 or more people and how an individual behaves is completely dependent upon the actions of other individuals in such situations.
Nah, I still avoid crowds and interactions and whatnot just like I did before
>Be peaceful, but not helpless.
I keep a low profile. I don't anger easily and if someone was trying to start trouble I'd simply remove myself from the situation. If they wanted to pursue me for whatever reason and I feel my life may be in danger I'll make my weapon ready. Without me saying anything or even pointing the gun at anyone, that alone should be enough to defuse any situation (supposing morons aren't involved). If someone continues to fuck around beyond that point and I feel I'm in danger, they're liable to find out.
It's my comfort item.
I had a future doctor walking down the opposote side of the street do a street crossing and U turn in my direction when I was walking home the other day, I felt like I really didnt want to deal with cops so I just sped my pace up until I got onto a busy road. Even though I carry I dont want to use it unless I cant escape.