>The country expects its first F-35s to be delivered in 2026, with full operational capability between 2032-2034.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/canada-closes-deal-for-88-f-35s-to-finally-replace-its-aging-cf-18s
>wait 10 years deciding whether to replace 40 year old fighters
>finally order new fighters
>operational in 2032-34
>NGAD are available in 2033
Never change leafs, never change
The US knocked it out of the park with the f35
We did good it's true
Canada was a partner of the JSF program. They're just getting their cut now.
>Canada was a partner of the JSF program
Yea and so we're 15 other countries, all decided to buy F-35s when they were available, only Canada did nothing for 10 years, now they are back of the queue and barely getting any benefits from their early contribution to the programme so much so they'll get fighters with a significantly shorter lifespan. Canadians should be fricking livid.
We are getting them at much lower price, and we clearly didnt need them in the last ten years.
thats not how military procurement works you goof, the f35 was required the day they became available for purchase and delaying it for 10 years has left canada not only defenseless, but delayed years of technical knowledge on operating such equipment, and throwing money into the blackhole that is the falling apart fleet of f-18's. $100 million per aircraft is such horrible price after being a tier 2 partner and being put at the back of the queue, the plane itself if we weren't moronic could have been purchased for $80 million per aircraft
The initial $100m cost is because of the other shit they have to purchase with each airframe, weapons, spare parts, maintainance and training, etc.
Total lifetime cost is expected to be around $70B for 88 aircraft, or around $800M each.
assuming the plane costs $100 million, and the cost per flight hour is $35k, a total airframe lifetime of 8000 hours, the total cost for a single aircraft is $380 million, but dont worry this is the canadian government so lets double that to $800 million per aircraft out of fricking nowhere. can america just take over canada, that place is incapable of making any competent decision for itself
Alberta will become a US state before the century is out so assuming you're a leaf that's the place to go. There and sask are the only provinces that still respect individual liberty anyhow
im already making plans to move to alberta, its the only productive and decently governed place in canada, where you can afford the cost of living, buy a house, and not get taxed to death
oh right my bad homosexual, what can the f35 hold, 6 aim 120's at $1 million each, so $6 million total and none of them will ever be shot at an adversary but lets just quadruple that count to $24 million per aircraft, so now we have $400-24= $376 million left for what, tactical nuclear weapons?
im praying to god above that he calls an election this spring, ive never wanted to vote in my life but seeing this homosexual drive this place into the ground by the day drives me up the fricking wall enough to vote against him
Ah yes, when a country buys a plane they buy exactly as many missiles as it can hold at 1 time and never purchase anymore munitions because who ACTUALLY needs to arm their planes for a real fight?
Come on, you're buying dozens or hundreds of these things per airframe over their service lifetime.
>globohomosexual “liberty”
Lol
You will have guns but still get forced to take the vax, and have LGBT propaganda shoved down your throat
... Do you not understand how much munitions cost? Also maitanance costs per flight hour don't always include big ticket replacement parts which come out of a larger budget and happen infrequently, but can still be very expensive when they do occur.
I don't know why this moron is allowed to continue as our prime minister. If the US didn't have Sleepy Joe at the helm I'd hope they would invoke Monroe Doctine or something to remove this idiot before he does something stupid like allow the Chinese to set up FOBs on our soil....
Oh wait.
Are you moronic?
Your realize a single of the CHEAPEST missiles available for the F-35 costs $200,000...right? And many of them (AMRAMM/JASSM/ETC) can cost $1-1.5m+ for each and every missile.
If Canada wants to have a stockpile of munitions for their F-35 fleet, even conservatively you'd be looking at $25m per plane in munitions. Or for all 88 planes around $2.2B, just for some missiles and bombs. Over the next 25+ years you'll probably have to order more (newer) munitions, as well as various upgrade packages for the F-35s which is where that additional $300m+ per airframe is going towards, future munitions purchases, and upgrade packages (new radars, new avionics, potentially the new upgraded GE adaptive flow engine)
Do you guys honestly think a fighter program costs are SOLELY in the airframe and maitanance costs?
oh shit bro you're right, now we have $400-25=$375 million still not accounted for
>muh upgrade packages
cope
we already have these munitions is my point
>we already have these munitions is my point
No you don't, you have older versions for older aircraft that never got integrated with the new missile versions. You probably can still use the same bombs, but most of the missiles likely are too old to work on the F-35. Remember, Canada is flying old hornets, and sure they have SOME updated missiles, but none of the latest shit from the last 10-15 years has gotten integrated since they integrated on the newer super hornets and F-35s
> but most of the missiles likely are too old to work on the F-35
the f35 is designed to work with current nato stockpiles, including all its munitions. if america can figure out how to shoot HARM's from mig's then an aim120 made 20 years ago can shoot from an f35
>It's 2045, Canada is still using AIM-7 and AMRAAM AIM-120A/B despite them being phased out decades earlier in the USAF.
You maple cucks honestly deserve to become the next American colony at this point.
what the hell do you think ive been saying this whole thread, we won't be using newer munitions because it desperately wants to weaken its own security and become a US state, currently its a vassal state but it wants to actually become a part of america by the end of the century
Lockheed wanted it more.
in 2032-34
You snooze you lose. Having shit government is a perpetual opportunity cost.
The Canadian Armed Forces are such a shitshow they're letting non-citizens join, it's absolutely over
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-armed-forces-now-allowing-permanent-residents-to-enlist-amid-low-recruitment-1.6140993
How does that even work? Do they move from their Bangalore call center straight to the CAF or do they need to be in Canada for a bit?
>please to be fixing of bayonet sirs
They need their permanent resident status which means they have to live in Canada. Usually this is obtained by working or going to university in the country. Much lower barrier than citizenship for immigrants though.
Various countries have done this for a while and it's generally a way to allow trained troops to move from one military to another. So a guy from the USMC might decide he wants to move to Canada, finish his contract and move to New Zealand for instance.
You'll have to be, minimum, a decent mechanic or rifleman to get in under these systems. If you're a doctor or helicopter pilot this'll let the CAF basically waiver you in whereas before they'd have to reject you for not being a citizen.
I doubt anyone is going to get in fresh off the plane from Bangladesh with nothing to their name. If you're aiming that low you can go to any high school and take your pick of morons. They might know how to speak english to boot.
Non citizens have always been allowed to join the US army, this is not some own.
>they're letting non-citizens join
A lot of nations already do this, they aren't letting anyone with zero skills join in.
Don't worry! Canada will be ready to help come save the day after the war is over!
What a disaster. If we had stuck with Harper's plan for 65 if them, we'd have a dozen by now.
>NGAD are available in 2033 mfw
it's probably flying over nevada right now fren
Yes and just like the F-22 you'll be dead before the US even thinks about exporting it.
it is actually, the NGAD was shown to congress and has done its first flight i think last year
What’s the point of buying this? If we ever get invaded which we won’t America would protect us
Waste of money
They are easy to send out to play world police with US et. al. Which provide some leverage in other diplomatic negotiations.
imagine being a fricking leaf lmao, tier 2 partner and gets shafted because they elected a BPD moron as prime minister
jesus christ US is starting to pass out f35s like cheap cigars
>2032
There goes my hooes of ever working on one. Christ our government is so incompetent that it isn't funny anymore, it's just frustrating.
There’s no point for a nato country to develop a military since any war would just be lobbing nukes at each other. Conventional warfare is obsolete and has been since 1945
>CANADA WILL JOIN THE US SOON LMAO
You morons realize morons have been saying this shit since 1776 right? It's never been true.
I could see Canada becoming a protectorate with no standing Canadian military but instead an integrated joint US/Canada armed services. Obviously Canada would need to agree to certain funding levels, but it would be possible.
Make this happen. Just make the Canadians a Corps in the US Army. Our military is only a few divisions worth of able-bodied soldiers anyway.
Canada already does a TON of joint training and operations, I know some Canadian military members that have been stationed in the US at US military bases for YEARS.
It really wouldn't take much to have a Canadian component of the US military.
What could have been…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Canada_Rebellion
Actually NGAD is expected in 2030.
>1400 to go