Canada Closes Deal For 88 F-35s

>The country expects its first F-35s to be delivered in 2026, with full operational capability between 2032-2034.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/canada-closes-deal-for-88-f-35s-to-finally-replace-its-aging-cf-18s

>wait 10 years deciding whether to replace 40 year old fighters
>finally order new fighters
>operational in 2032-34
>NGAD are available in 2033

Never change leafs, never change

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US knocked it out of the park with the f35

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We did good it's true

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Canada was a partner of the JSF program. They're just getting their cut now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Canada was a partner of the JSF program
        Yea and so we're 15 other countries, all decided to buy F-35s when they were available, only Canada did nothing for 10 years, now they are back of the queue and barely getting any benefits from their early contribution to the programme so much so they'll get fighters with a significantly shorter lifespan. Canadians should be fucking livid.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We are getting them at much lower price, and we clearly didnt need them in the last ten years.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thats not how military procurement works you goof, the f35 was required the day they became available for purchase and delaying it for 10 years has left canada not only defenseless, but delayed years of technical knowledge on operating such equipment, and throwing money into the blackhole that is the falling apart fleet of f-18's. $100 million per aircraft is such horrible price after being a tier 2 partner and being put at the back of the queue, the plane itself if we weren't retarded could have been purchased for $80 million per aircraft

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The initial $100m cost is because of the other shit they have to purchase with each airframe, weapons, spare parts, maintainance and training, etc.

              Total lifetime cost is expected to be around $70B for 88 aircraft, or around $800M each.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                assuming the plane costs $100 million, and the cost per flight hour is $35k, a total airframe lifetime of 8000 hours, the total cost for a single aircraft is $380 million, but dont worry this is the canadian government so lets double that to $800 million per aircraft out of fucking nowhere. can america just take over canada, that place is incapable of making any competent decision for itself

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alberta will become a US state before the century is out so assuming you're a leaf that's the place to go. There and sask are the only provinces that still respect individual liberty anyhow

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                im already making plans to move to alberta, its the only productive and decently governed place in canada, where you can afford the cost of living, buy a house, and not get taxed to death

                ... Do you not understand how much munitions cost? Also maitanance costs per flight hour don't always include big ticket replacement parts which come out of a larger budget and happen infrequently, but can still be very expensive when they do occur.

                oh right my bad gay, what can the f35 hold, 6 aim 120's at $1 million each, so $6 million total and none of them will ever be shot at an adversary but lets just quadruple that count to $24 million per aircraft, so now we have $400-24= $376 million left for what, tactical nuclear weapons?

                https://i.imgur.com/rkwelVu.jpg

                I don't know why this retard is allowed to continue as our prime minister. If the US didn't have Sleepy Joe at the helm I'd hope they would invoke Monroe Doctine or something to remove this idiot before he does something stupid like allow the Chinese to set up FOBs on our soil....
                Oh wait.

                im praying to god above that he calls an election this spring, ive never wanted to vote in my life but seeing this gay drive this place into the ground by the day drives me up the fucking wall enough to vote against him

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes, when a country buys a plane they buy exactly as many missiles as it can hold at 1 time and never purchase anymore munitions because who ACTUALLY needs to arm their planes for a real fight?

                Come on, you're buying dozens or hundreds of these things per airframe over their service lifetime.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >globohomo “liberty”
                Lol

                You will have guns but still get forced to take the vax, and have LGBT propaganda shoved down your throat

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ... Do you not understand how much munitions cost? Also maitanance costs per flight hour don't always include big ticket replacement parts which come out of a larger budget and happen infrequently, but can still be very expensive when they do occur.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know why this retard is allowed to continue as our prime minister. If the US didn't have Sleepy Joe at the helm I'd hope they would invoke Monroe Doctine or something to remove this idiot before he does something stupid like allow the Chinese to set up FOBs on our soil....
                Oh wait.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you retarded?

                Your realize a single of the CHEAPEST missiles available for the F-35 costs $200,000...right? And many of them (AMRAMM/JASSM/ETC) can cost $1-1.5m+ for each and every missile.

                If Canada wants to have a stockpile of munitions for their F-35 fleet, even conservatively you'd be looking at $25m per plane in munitions. Or for all 88 planes around $2.2B, just for some missiles and bombs. Over the next 25+ years you'll probably have to order more (newer) munitions, as well as various upgrade packages for the F-35s which is where that additional $300m+ per airframe is going towards, future munitions purchases, and upgrade packages (new radars, new avionics, potentially the new upgraded GE adaptive flow engine)

                Do you guys honestly think a fighter program costs are SOLELY in the airframe and maitanance costs?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh shit bro you're right, now we have $400-25=$375 million still not accounted for
                >muh upgrade packages
                cope

                Ah yes, when a country buys a plane they buy exactly as many missiles as it can hold at 1 time and never purchase anymore munitions because who ACTUALLY needs to arm their planes for a real fight?

                Come on, you're buying dozens or hundreds of these things per airframe over their service lifetime.

                we already have these munitions is my point

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we already have these munitions is my point
                No you don't, you have older versions for older aircraft that never got integrated with the new missile versions. You probably can still use the same bombs, but most of the missiles likely are too old to work on the F-35. Remember, Canada is flying old hornets, and sure they have SOME updated missiles, but none of the latest shit from the last 10-15 years has gotten integrated since they integrated on the newer super hornets and F-35s

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > but most of the missiles likely are too old to work on the F-35
                the f35 is designed to work with current nato stockpiles, including all its munitions. if america can figure out how to shoot HARM's from mig's then an aim120 made 20 years ago can shoot from an f35

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's 2045, Canada is still using AIM-7 and AMRAAM AIM-120A/B despite them being phased out decades earlier in the USAF.

                You maple cucks honestly deserve to become the next American colony at this point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what the hell do you think ive been saying this whole thread, we won't be using newer munitions because it desperately wants to weaken its own security and become a US state, currently its a vassal state but it wants to actually become a part of america by the end of the century

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lockheed wanted it more.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in 2032-34
    You snooze you lose. Having shit government is a perpetual opportunity cost.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Canadian Armed Forces are such a shitshow they're letting non-citizens join, it's absolutely over
      https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-armed-forces-now-allowing-permanent-residents-to-enlist-amid-low-recruitment-1.6140993

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does that even work? Do they move from their Bangalore call center straight to the CAF or do they need to be in Canada for a bit?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >please to be fixing of bayonet sirs
          They need their permanent resident status which means they have to live in Canada. Usually this is obtained by working or going to university in the country. Much lower barrier than citizenship for immigrants though.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Various countries have done this for a while and it's generally a way to allow trained troops to move from one military to another. So a guy from the USMC might decide he wants to move to Canada, finish his contract and move to New Zealand for instance.

          You'll have to be, minimum, a decent mechanic or rifleman to get in under these systems. If you're a doctor or helicopter pilot this'll let the CAF basically waiver you in whereas before they'd have to reject you for not being a citizen.

          I doubt anyone is going to get in fresh off the plane from Bangladesh with nothing to their name. If you're aiming that low you can go to any high school and take your pick of retards. They might know how to speak english to boot.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Non citizens have always been allowed to join the US army, this is not some own.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they're letting non-citizens join
        A lot of nations already do this, they aren't letting anyone with zero skills join in.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry! Canada will be ready to help come save the day after the war is over!

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What a disaster. If we had stuck with Harper's plan for 65 if them, we'd have a dozen by now.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NGAD are available in 2033 mfw

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's probably flying over nevada right now fren

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and just like the F-22 you'll be dead before the US even thinks about exporting it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it is actually, the NGAD was shown to congress and has done its first flight i think last year

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What’s the point of buying this? If we ever get invaded which we won’t America would protect us

    Waste of money

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are easy to send out to play world police with US et. al. Which provide some leverage in other diplomatic negotiations.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    imagine being a fucking leaf lmao, tier 2 partner and gets shafted because they elected a BPD retard as prime minister

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jesus christ US is starting to pass out f35s like cheap cigars

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2032
    There goes my hooes of ever working on one. Christ our government is so incompetent that it isn't funny anymore, it's just frustrating.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There’s no point for a nato country to develop a military since any war would just be lobbing nukes at each other. Conventional warfare is obsolete and has been since 1945

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >CANADA WILL JOIN THE US SOON LMAO
    You retards realize morons have been saying this shit since 1776 right? It's never been true.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I could see Canada becoming a protectorate with no standing Canadian military but instead an integrated joint US/Canada armed services. Obviously Canada would need to agree to certain funding levels, but it would be possible.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Make this happen. Just make the Canadians a Corps in the US Army. Our military is only a few divisions worth of able-bodied soldiers anyway.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Canada already does a TON of joint training and operations, I know some Canadian military members that have been stationed in the US at US military bases for YEARS.

          It really wouldn't take much to have a Canadian component of the US military.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What could have been…
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Canada_Rebellion

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually NGAD is expected in 2030.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1400 to go

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