US would just be doing what Russia did in Korea and Vietnam.
That's the thing I can't figure out. The Soviets did way worse to us not that long ago. But everyone acts like we'll get nuked if screw with the current Russian successor state.
Proxy wars are basically modern privateering. Nobody is starting a nuclear exchange over them.
>But everyone acts like we'll get nuked if screw with the current Russian successor state.
They're not acting like that, really. They're acting like if things are implemented in a careful, procedural way, RF won't 'panic' and do something drastic. That includes just regular things like full mobilisation. No one really wants Ukraine to get nuked, no one wants Ukraine to have to deal with full mobilisation. No one wants anything that doesn't give the West enough time to gather itself together for victory.
>That includes just regular things like full mobilisation
I don't think Putin is ready for the shit that will happen if he goes door to door in Moscow finding young men.
Arn't they turning the prisoners they used to give to Wagner into an actual penal legion? I suppose its a matter of time before the moskels in Moscow and St. Peters burg are called to the meat grinder as well.
>I just did what I do best. I took your little special military operation and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this army with a few javelins and a couple of bullets. >You know... You know what I've noticed? >Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a mobik will get raped, or a truckload of wagnerites will be blown up at Bakhmut, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". >But when I say that one little old penninsula will be liberated, well then everyone loses their minds!
~ NATOker, 2023
russia destroyed a drone in international waters.
that's a literal act of war against america but americans didn't do anything? the only way to explain this is that americans are pussies, it's easy being a hero and invade dirt poor countries
US has given millions in aid to Ukraine, worth far more than that drone, used to kill countless Russian lives. Russia's response? Downing a 20 year old drone?
The Soviet history of this goes back even further. They were fighting against German Bf 109s in the Spanish Civil War and against the Japanese in China starting in 1937.
Not a private air force in the context you’re talking about, but private companies do operate fleets of fighter jets that act as aggressors for USAF training operations
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draken_International
https://www.topaces.com/our-fleet
Where is this video it sounds hilarious. I've had a little bird drop water bottle on me before that exploded when they hit the ground.
There is one video of a Blackwater pilot somehow threading the landing skid through the sling on a 249 of another PMC observation team on top of a building and taking off with it.
A few where they knock over stuff, blow things around and generally just make things miserable for people stuck in rooftop OPs.
Unfortunately all of this shit has gotten more and more problematic to find on youtube recently. Used to be a lot of short clips on liveleak too.
Neall Ellis (Executive Outcomes contractor) used a single Hind manned by himself, two gunners and a small crew of mechanics, and he almost single-handedly turned the tide of the Sierra Leone Civil War.
US pilots freely volunteered since the Escadrille de La Fayette in WWI. He's retired so a private citizen and pilots love a righteous fight.
A concept Serbjeetniks don't understand, there is no need for a false flag operation. Flying is fun as is killing Russians who are indirectly or directly responsible for nearly every US and Coalition casualty since WWII by aid to US enemies.
Neall Ellis (Executive Outcomes contractor) used a single Hind manned by himself, two gunners and a small crew of mechanics, and he almost single-handedly turned the tide of the Sierra Leone Civil War.
>The attack plan for Boende calls for the use of massive aerial forces. >The "massive" aerial forces are these two 20-year-old P6s held together as well as possible with bolts and wire.
They're the personal property of Tom O'Keefe and Somerset Wilson, former Rhodesian pilots whose families were massacred by rebels from Angola. >They've hired themselves and the planes out for $500 dollars a month, which no one has paid for in six months, and a life insurance policy that up to now no insurance company has underwritten. >This time, as always, before leaving they've filled out the forms at the airport in the usual manner. >Destination: Hell >Reason for flight: Personal Matters.
From the fantastic documentary Africa Addio, full thing is free on youtube if you'll watch it there or have the 40 IQ to into adblockers. You've probably seen that particular scene before if you've ever seen the Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner music webm that's usually floating around the war threads on /wsg/ or occasionally /gif/.
If you're PrepHole The Dogs of War is a good novel if you want as close to real work of fiction on mercenaries in Africa as possible.
It's probably a cheesy bid to get countries to send some of their out-of-date jets to Ukraine. I doubt he is going to do much other than train pilots at the Polish border.
The Ukrainians will be receiving F16's. It's likely the pilots are looking for a way to distance themselves from weak leadership and get into a good stand-up fight.
How much trouble would a US Air Force pilot conducting CAP over Poland get into if he decided to "defect" to Ukraine by flying into their airspace, landing at an airport, and putting himself and his aircraft at the Ukrainian Air Forces' disposal.
The Soviets did this in North Korea and Vietnam, down to gunning the pilots that bailed out for Korea. Also Vietnam had plenty of Soviet SAM operators treated with white gloves. This wouldn't even register as a fraction of the payback with interest they've earned onto themselves.
Ziggers did this in Korea and Vietnam lol. I see no problem with repaying the favour.
This was is Vietnam but inverted. Russia can strike Ukraine but can’t touch their suppliers and is dealing with both asymmetric and conventional armies. When Russia retreats, their republics will collapse in hours
I mean USSR did it in Vietnam... they weren't even volunteers.
If the Ukes let him fly, why not? Sign a contract, boom you're in the AForce
That's the thing I can't figure out. The Soviets did way worse to us not that long ago. But everyone acts like we'll get nuked if screw with the current Russian successor state.
Proxy wars are basically modern privateering. Nobody is starting a nuclear exchange over them.
>But everyone acts like we'll get nuked if screw with the current Russian successor state.
They're not acting like that, really. They're acting like if things are implemented in a careful, procedural way, RF won't 'panic' and do something drastic. That includes just regular things like full mobilisation. No one really wants Ukraine to get nuked, no one wants Ukraine to have to deal with full mobilisation. No one wants anything that doesn't give the West enough time to gather itself together for victory.
>That includes just regular things like full mobilisation
I don't think Putin is ready for the shit that will happen if he goes door to door in Moscow finding young men.
Arn't they turning the prisoners they used to give to Wagner into an actual penal legion? I suppose its a matter of time before the moskels in Moscow and St. Peters burg are called to the meat grinder as well.
>I just did what I do best. I took your little special military operation and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this army with a few javelins and a couple of bullets.
>You know... You know what I've noticed? >Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a mobik will get raped, or a truckload of wagnerites will be blown up at Bakhmut, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan".
>But when I say that one little old penninsula will be liberated, well then everyone loses their minds!
~ NATOker, 2023
>That includes just regular things like full mobilisation.
Any reasonable observer of the last year think this is possible?
because americans talk big but they are pussies
Why blatantly lie?
russia destroyed a drone in international waters.
that's a literal act of war against america but americans didn't do anything? the only way to explain this is that americans are pussies, it's easy being a hero and invade dirt poor countries
Kneejerk actions will get you nowhere. Americans will fuck the Russians in more ways than one sometime down the line.
Do Russians lack the ability to think of cause and effect? Seriously lol
US has given millions in aid to Ukraine, worth far more than that drone, used to kill countless Russian lives. Russia's response? Downing a 20 year old drone?
>Russia destroyed
You mean a Russian pilot nearly crashed head-on into an old UAV with a Cessna-tier cruising speed because he was starting to stall?
>it's easy being a hero and invade dirt poor countries
You mean just like Russia has been doing?
And North Korean pilot as well
The Soviet history of this goes back even further. They were fighting against German Bf 109s in the Spanish Civil War and against the Japanese in China starting in 1937.
With the power of friendship it's possible. It's a Wectoid term Moskals won't understand.
US would just be doing what Russia did in Korea and Vietnam.
This very much suggests it might suddenly be relevant for such pilots to volunteer.
Well not really. He's not employed by the US if he's in the Uke AF.
Strongest indication yet that F-16s are actually happening.
and also what the US did in China
This smells of CIA propoganda.
>News article talks about a American fighter pilot volunteering for Ukraine
>UH THE GLOWIES ARE SOME HOW BEHIND THIS
>This smells of CIA propoganda.
This post smells like alien reptiloid from beyond space propaganda.
westerners keep trying to poke and wake up sleeping bear but spring is coming..
I thought Russia was supposed to be more effective during the winter?
Not really, they just don't smell as bad
the gloves won't ever come off because oligarchs already sold russias hands and replaced them with fake sausages in gloves to cover it up
Why not? Wouldn't be the first time.
Is that a real photo? So fucking cool.
How viable are PMCs with jets and aircraft?
A MiG-29 is $20 million. Is it really impossible to build a private Air Force?
Not viable at all. Considering things like flight plans, airspace, and flight range exist you'd have a harder time going to places.
Not a private air force in the context you’re talking about, but private companies do operate fleets of fighter jets that act as aggressors for USAF training operations
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draken_International
https://www.topaces.com/our-fleet
Wow they operate 24 F-16s. Insane.
>Private Air Force "only" has twice as many multi-role fighters as the Czech or Hungarian Air Forces.
>Draken International
>its fleet has zero Saab 35 Drakens
I am mildly disappointed.
Blackwater had a small/medium sized fleet of little birds they owned and maintained 100% during Iraq.
Seemed to do pretty well.
There was even a video of them harassing another PMC on a roof top by dropping water cases on them and buzzing them.
Where is this video it sounds hilarious. I've had a little bird drop water bottle on me before that exploded when they hit the ground.
There is one video of a Blackwater pilot somehow threading the landing skid through the sling on a 249 of another PMC observation team on top of a building and taking off with it.
A few where they knock over stuff, blow things around and generally just make things miserable for people stuck in rooftop OPs.
Unfortunately all of this shit has gotten more and more problematic to find on youtube recently. Used to be a lot of short clips on liveleak too.
Neall Ellis (Executive Outcomes contractor) used a single Hind manned by himself, two gunners and a small crew of mechanics, and he almost single-handedly turned the tide of the Sierra Leone Civil War.
US pilots freely volunteered since the Escadrille de La Fayette in WWI. He's retired so a private citizen and pilots love a righteous fight.
A concept Serbjeetniks don't understand, there is no need for a false flag operation. Flying is fun as is killing Russians who are indirectly or directly responsible for nearly every US and Coalition casualty since WWII by aid to US enemies.
I'm impressed a Hind could lift his testicles.
I wish Executive Outcomes was in a death match with Wagner.
>he mocks them as they read his leaflets
>The attack plan for Boende calls for the use of massive aerial forces.
>The "massive" aerial forces are these two 20-year-old P6s held together as well as possible with bolts and wire.
They're the personal property of Tom O'Keefe and Somerset Wilson, former Rhodesian pilots whose families were massacred by rebels from Angola.
>They've hired themselves and the planes out for $500 dollars a month, which no one has paid for in six months, and a life insurance policy that up to now no insurance company has underwritten.
>This time, as always, before leaving they've filled out the forms at the airport in the usual manner.
>Destination: Hell
>Reason for flight: Personal Matters.
From the fantastic documentary Africa Addio, full thing is free on youtube if you'll watch it there or have the 40 IQ to into adblockers. You've probably seen that particular scene before if you've ever seen the Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner music webm that's usually floating around the war threads on /wsg/ or occasionally /gif/.
If you're PrepHole The Dogs of War is a good novel if you want as close to real work of fiction on mercenaries in Africa as possible.
>new ediiton of Executive Outcomes book comes out
>south african book store closes 6 months later
tfw physical copy never
>relying on garden gnometube
ngmi bro
https://archive.org/details/africa-addio-1966
Buddy he can.
(You) cannot
It's probably a cheesy bid to get countries to send some of their out-of-date jets to Ukraine. I doubt he is going to do much other than train pilots at the Polish border.
sure we got at least 2 free proxy air war cards to play
The Ukrainians will be receiving F16's. It's likely the pilots are looking for a way to distance themselves from weak leadership and get into a good stand-up fight.
Military-grade midlife crisis.
How much trouble would a US Air Force pilot conducting CAP over Poland get into if he decided to "defect" to Ukraine by flying into their airspace, landing at an airport, and putting himself and his aircraft at the Ukrainian Air Forces' disposal.
Depending on the aircraft, would the Ukrainians even have the means to maintain it? Unless he 'defects' back to the USA for repairs and refueling.
It depends on whether he "defects" or """defects"""
Saab ought to sponsor them like a Formula 1 team.
Consider it payback for Korea and Vietnam
Yes
>everywhere I go, I must also SEAD
Ask the Spanish nationalists
Ask the Spanish Republicans
>John Ukraine from Kyiv State here, ready for combat sorties
The Soviets did this in North Korea and Vietnam, down to gunning the pilots that bailed out for Korea. Also Vietnam had plenty of Soviet SAM operators treated with white gloves. This wouldn't even register as a fraction of the payback with interest they've earned onto themselves.
This.
That is why i'm delighted with all the death and destruction of Russian on the battlefield.
Hello it’s me Bakhmut Zelensky I am pilot from Ukraine States Air Force. I think we should fly F-16’s.
Kek, what's stopping NATO from doing this? Vatnigs wouldn't do shit.
Ziggers did this in Korea and Vietnam lol. I see no problem with repaying the favour.
This was is Vietnam but inverted. Russia can strike Ukraine but can’t touch their suppliers and is dealing with both asymmetric and conventional armies. When Russia retreats, their republics will collapse in hours
I bet that's what's going on with the "Ukrainian pilots" the US is training