Can we get a muzzle loader thread up?

Can we get a muzzle loader thread up? I realized recently that a muzzle loader is the peak for firearms during the collapse so I want to buy one, hit me with recommendations. I want a flintlock, and preferably something with modern steel.

  1. 2 months ago
    /MLG/ Muzzle Loader General

    I phone posted and didn't know where to put what, sorry morons.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Buno

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you are retarded. Where would you obtain black powder from?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Walmart?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think OP is retarded, but damn do you make him look smart.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly man, is this a serious question? Black powder is stupidly easy to make and you don't need any machinery.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Black powder is stupidly easy to make and you don't need any machinery.
        Ok, so where do you get the sulphur from? And the potassium nitrate? And how will you properly mix that shit up?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Online, hardware store. Water is the universal solvent.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I assume you mean in some societal collapse scenario, but the fact that gunpowder is achievable to late medieval societies should give you a clue on this. Charcoal is the easiest to obtain, it needs to be ground finely, but that is achievable with a mortar and pestle. Salt peter is also not difficult to obtain, though it's production and extraction from night soil is time consuming (taking many months). The most difficult is sulfur, though it could extremely easy if you live anywhere near an active/formerly active volcano, as
          is elementally abundant near them. You can also produce it by heating volcanic rocks. If we allow a modern collapse scenario however, sulfur is abundant in home improvement stores and in car batteries, where it can be reduced into elemental form with high purity. All of these can be weighed with high enough precision with a modern mechanical scale.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          In my lab we mix shit all the time without machinery

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      wood and your own piss

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ever read Blood Meridian?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't forget your sidearm op

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Incredibly based. I just imagine myself on my land and I see some gorilla moron in a ski mask with a machete pop out about 200 yards away. I then line up the flintlock and just execute the moron, blowing his head clean off his shoulders.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      go with the remington new army instead, the Colt guns really blow incredible amounts of ass by comparison
      never thought that such modern conveniences as "sights that aren't mounted on a bit that moves around" would be missing

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah. Remington has a weak loading lever, and thin cylinder axis that is more susceptible to fouling. Also, there are historical examples of dragoons with a sight dovetailed on the rear of the barrel if you worry about sights that much.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          In principle, thats true. But you can ameliorate this by choosing right Remington replica from the right manufacturer. Pro tip: Uberti is trash in this department, Ordinary Pietta is a bit better, though not a lot. What you seek is Pietta Shooter`s model, recognizable by oversized grip, silvered trigger guard and Remington patent rollmark atop the barrel. It has mirrored oxidized finish and deep progressive rifling. They are made from very good quality steel, including the small parts like loader link. Got mine used from a boomer match shooter, not even one scratch on the steel after 25 years of blasting, all internal parts original, only had to bend back the hand spring, kek. Loading lever is almost as solid as in colts, grip and sights extremely comfy. Only arguable downside is 464 bullet size, non standard with other 44 cal replicas. Then there are also German Feinwerkbau Remingtons that cost tons of money and cheaper old Spanish Santa Barbara guns, also from very good materials. Anyway, on shooting ranges many people just use external loading tower out of convenience.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >and preferably something with modern steel.

    All replicas, including Indian ones, are made from modern steel, some even a stainless one.

    which one for postapoteotwawki larp?
    A pair of rifled and a smoothbore flintlocks, which will offer you long-ish range accuracy, versatilty and theoretical independence of modern supply chains and manufacturing, because - in theory - you can fix them with hand tools, and make all components of ammunition by yourself. If you dont have flints, they can be used as improvised matchlocks. A flintlock pistol could be a nice addtion, for obvious reasons.
    If you prefer convenience and firepower over larp - a pair of rifled and smoothbore longarms plus a cap and ball revolver. For example - a Military Minie type muzzleloading rifle - accurtate out to few hundred yards, very hard hitting, fast loading, durable and - theoretically - simple to operate and maintain. SxS shotgun for hunting and close range self defence. 44 or 36 Remington type revolver with spare cylinder or two for everyday carry. If you want to larp a s a doomsday prepper, you also obviously need to stock up a large amount of powder and caps, appropriate bullet moulds, tools for the maintenance, spare parts for locks, spare nipples, accoutrements like slings, ammunition pouches and two types of holsters for the revolver - flap holster for overt carry (more practical than cowboy style shit) and a shoulder rig or custom made iwb for cc.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any opinion on the Indian made flintlocks?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Only handled one Brown Bess, with German proof marks on the barrel. Steel parts were okay-ish, except for the unnecessary stiff main spring that would probably eat up the flints. All looked hand fitted/made, down to the screw heads. Wooden stock was mediocre, not made from walnut or beechwood, but some kind of grainy local wood, supposedly teak, comb too high, crudely fitted lock and barrel, most probably would require bedding for long term durability. Local opinion on them is that they are more like kit guns that most often require additional fitting and finishing. Also the quality varies, no gun is exactly the same as the other, since tey are hand fitted by the manufacturer. Interchangeability of parts is theoretical. But they shoot and cost 1/2 of the Pedersolis.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Looks like a good summary of what I read, heard about them. At roughly the same price range you would recommend the pedersoli? I’m quite interested by a smoothbore and on the paper the Indian made seems fine to me if it wasn’t for the wood stock

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >At roughly the same price range you would recommend the pedersoli?

            If they both cost about the same, there is really no point in picking an Indian gun. Provided we are talking about the roughly same category of weapons - smoothbore longarms and you are not forced to pick a specific model, because of some narrow reenactment purpose. Imho, there is no point if the difference is less than 40% of the price.
            Also an used (but not completely abused) Pedersoli will imho always be better than any new Indian gun. Personally got a Pedersoli 1777 musket, that is 30 years old, was somewhat neglected by the previous owner and its still reliable, and MUCH nicer than the indian Bess I have handled. the difference between their stocks, fit and finish are like night and day.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I’m trying to negotiate to reach a 100€ difference with an Indian gun, never fired and great condition. I’m not re-enacting so no issues for me but I have a soft spot for the Tulle de Chasse or the 1717 which are only available from India in Europe. I wish we kept that sense of heritage, as in the US, regarding traditional firearms.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://saguaro-arms.com/product-pol-724-Muszkiet-francuski-1728.html
                https://saguaro-arms.com/product-eng-724-French-Infantry-Musket-1728.html

                Here are links for local shop, that sells variety of repros from Italy and India, they do deliveries to various countries. You can switch the prices from Pln to Euro. Indian made colonial doglock musket and French 1728 musket cost 544,44 €.
                Both are in stock. Pedersolis start at 1300€.
                They used to have wider variety of guns, but supply from Italy and India seems to be fucked up at the moment and since they dont require license here, the guns got bought up by locals expecting apocalypse, just like OP, kek.
                If the price difference is negligible I would go for Pedersoli, it wont lose value and is less likely to have some kinks. If youre decided on colonial era guns, Pedersoli makes a flintlock Indian Trade Gun in 20GA, looks like very light and handy weapon. Also try to look for the used one. Three years ago I scored my Pedersoli French musket for 350Euro, used, from Germany, cleaned it up, refinished the stock and it works like new.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks anon, 350€ that’s a steal! I knew this shop but didn’t bother to reply me about their inventory, I was, as you mentioned, looking for an Indian trade gun.

                https://i.imgur.com/cQ3fVue.jpg

                I've got one that went through Middlesex for rework. I think I've had one or two genuine failures to fire out of over 50 rounds, also still using the original flint. A reenactor had it before me, so it's seen some shit, but still shoots fine.

                Nice, I have seen few threads about knowledgeable boomers turning these repros into historically accurate pieces. Always nice to see

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've got one that went through Middlesex for rework. I think I've had one or two genuine failures to fire out of over 50 rounds, also still using the original flint. A reenactor had it before me, so it's seen some shit, but still shoots fine.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you anon, I've learned alot and keked at a few retards. I'll be buying one this weekend. Any sites out there that sell bulk powder in barrels?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember I used to look at muzzleloaders from their inception to modern day when working on some original work story I was gonna post on ao3.

      I know exactly where that pic comes from lmao

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think in post collapse society, shotguns will be king. Black powder is an okay propellant, you can make paper cartridges, and you can shoot practically anything that fits in the barrel.

    I also don't think the collapse will happen in our lifetime (or ever, at least the way preppers envision it happening)

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You cant just linearly increase the proportion of gays in a society forever anon. The productive, intelligent people necessary to keep society running every second are being replaced at faster and faster rates with people who are literally just cancerous burdens.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Plus the population is aging, so the ratio shifts faster as previous, more normal generations die off.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's one thing that stood out to me about fags and the US. The aging population is fucking things and then gays fuck it harder. We will absolutely be a brown mutt nation in a few decades if not one.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I personally am an accelerationist. I try to push the LGBTQAAP+ agenda and immigration as hard as possible. If you boil the frog slowly, we can see the outcome. Like sending Mexicans to Martha's Vineyard, if you make people uncomfortable, it forces them to react. Do it often enough and they change sides.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I hate garden gnomes and most Hispanics/morons, but sending Hispanics to the vineyard was literally just the garden gnomes psyoping you into supporting sending browns deeper into the US because "muh accelerationism". I do like watching libs seethe though, I just want to see federal reserve members be beheaded.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just bought this muzzle loader.
    How'd I do, PrepHole?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      aim at front door with fuse leading too your bed for night time home defence

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    found this in a local museum. the fuck is this supposed to shoot?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      grape shot in a horizontal pattern

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fucking brutal

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it looks naval so probably some munition for ship warfare

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's an 18th C. duckbill shotgun.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >uses powder that's instantly ruined by humidity
    >uncommon powder
    >peak collapse firearm
    Kek
    >uh ahktually if I piss on grass for a year then process a few grams of impure KNO3 and ball mill it with charcoal and all the pure Sulphur I have lying around on the ground and make more of the shitty powder that will get ruined in humidity, and ignoring the fact that even actual chemists have a hard time of generating KNO3 from scratch, but some retarded fudd will do it no problem

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being this retarded of a cat moron, I can't stop laughing at you.
      >stack sealed barrel of blackpowder
      >no humidity problems
      >literally buy container of Sulphur for 5 dollars
      >melt lead which is naturally right by my house
      It's that simple retard. You'll be sitting there getting your limbs hacked off while you're alive by raging moron cattle because you ran out of ammo and can't manufacture brass cases while i live in luxury and laugh at your screaming nugget body while I wear the skin of a moron I killed last week with my musket. Then, if they come for me again, I'll just kill 16 of them with my 3 different revolvers. This is an 18+ site btw, idk if you know that. Literally just dry the powder retard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, it's a shame smokeless powders haven't been invented, you can't buy powder in bulk, you can't make cordite at home, powder can't be harvested from ammo you don't have guns for, nitrocellulose can't be extracted from ping pong balls, and black powder can't be dried even though it's literally made through water processing.
      You're right, muzzle loading is a meme and of no practical use at all, unlike all much more specific and finicky guns.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely pissed in that retards mouth, here's a (you)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine being this retarded of a cat moron, I can't stop laughing at you.
        >stack sealed barrel of blackpowder
        >no humidity problems
        >literally buy container of Sulphur for 5 dollars
        >melt lead which is naturally right by my house
        It's that simple retard. You'll be sitting there getting your limbs hacked off while you're alive by raging moron cattle because you ran out of ammo and can't manufacture brass cases while i live in luxury and laugh at your screaming nugget body while I wear the skin of a moron I killed last week with my musket. Then, if they come for me again, I'll just kill 16 of them with my 3 different revolvers. This is an 18+ site btw, idk if you know that. Literally just dry the powder retard.

        >yeah bro I am so smart I have stockpiles of black powder instead of having stockpiles of cartridge ammunition
        >what do you mean stockpiles eventually deplete completely?
        holy shit guise you are so smart

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I can buy about 500 shots worth of powder/balls for the price 2 boxes of 9mm where I'm at. If you use your defense weapons to hunt then you burn ammo up way more quickly. The powder in and of itself is a useful survival tool. Egghead moron.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I assume you mean in some societal collapse scenario, but the fact that gunpowder is achievable to late medieval societies should give you a clue on this. Charcoal is the easiest to obtain, it needs to be ground finely, but that is achievable with a mortar and pestle. Salt peter is also not difficult to obtain, though it's production and extraction from night soil is time consuming (taking many months). The most difficult is sulfur, though it could extremely easy if you live anywhere near an active/formerly active volcano, as
      is elementally abundant near them. You can also produce it by heating volcanic rocks. If we allow a modern collapse scenario however, sulfur is abundant in home improvement stores and in car batteries, where it can be reduced into elemental form with high purity. All of these can be weighed with high enough precision with a modern mechanical scale.

      potassium nitrate is easier to make by modern process, by which I mean Birkeland-Eyde

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, potassium nitrate is used in food preservation and I've bought a quart of it from a restaurant supply store with no hassle or issues. Bless the anti-sodium crowd.
      In a long-term bug-in situation, you dig an outhouse, toss it with straw, rotate holes every few months, cover the hole, and harvest it from the walls. You will need to piss in a bucket though, the urine needs to stew a bit before it's at its best for the extraction. Since you're already going to be eating nitrate-treated meat and drinking a) less sugar and b) more alcohol in a long-term survival situation, it will substantially up the amount of niter in your urine as well.

      >Black powder is stupidly easy to make and you don't need any machinery.
      Ok, so where do you get the sulphur from? And the potassium nitrate? And how will you properly mix that shit up?

      >Ok, so where do you get the sulphur from?
      Car batteries are an excellent source of both sulfuric acid and lead. Even a completely depleted or evaporated battery will give you back both sulphur and lots of lead, though it takes a bit of medieval chemistry to get it properly refined and pull all the lead oxides. Sulphur is also used as a food preservative (it prevents mold and spoilage in dried fruits) and is very, very easy to stockpile cheaply. More importantly, the sulfur is not actually necessary. It helps regulate the burn and drops the ignition temperature, so it makes the powder more reliable, but a 66/33 mix with no sulfur at all will still go bang.

      >how will you mix it
      Under water or grain alcohol, in a mortar and pestle. It's not rocket science. Well, not unless you propel rockets with it. Corning is the hard part and all that needs is hardware cloth of the right mesh size. Incidentally, the need to potentially mix my own powder is why I still own a balance beam scale despite having a very nice electronic one. The beam scale will still be working in 50 years even if it's off by a few grains.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why haven’t you visited Dixie Gun Works anon?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost a 9 hour drive from where I live, but it's only 3 hours away from my parent's house. I might try to visit over Christmas.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    TFW you open carry an unloaded black powder pistol in California and keep the ammo on your battle-buddy so you can tag team an active shooter or berserk pitbull with the power of friendship.

    inb4 shall-issue now: non-resident

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I FOUND THIS BAD BOY ON SALE, MIGHT ORDER TWO

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      damn thats a crazy sale, dont let that slip by

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fuckng larry is always garden gnomeing us

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the cheapest but functional flintlock musket i can buy that isn't blatantly inaccurate for a 1776 american colonial soldier?
    I wanted to get one of those Kentucky rifle kits to build my own but i've only really seen the percussion cap version in stock.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pedersoli makes Kentucky for almost decent price or Ardesa is even cheaper, don’t know about the availability around you. Ask shops if they can order the flintlock version

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just watch on GunBroker. Old guys getting out of reenacting sell off their stuff occasionally.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >GunBroker
        OT but do you guys ever bid shit up on there just for fun?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah. i usually have a feeling when someone really wants something and its already more than what id pay so i just make him pay like $20 more

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is pretty fun, isnt it?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              yeah, fuck that guy. i cant stand the dorks that bid with one dollar and one cent increments like it does fucking anything

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lel I’m doing that when I’m planning to sell a similar gun

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              IT DOES NOTHING! like if im going to go up a dollar or five its not like that extra penny is going to be the show stopper

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pedersoli Kentucky`s locks can be easily swapped between percussion and flintlock versions. the trick is to buy a percussion rifle, which will guarantee you the more or less correct alignement between nipple and hammer, then remove the lock, unscrew nipple drum and replace it with a removable venthole and mount a flintlock lock. Voila, now you have your rifle in two flavours, whatever suits your fancy or needs.
      Back in the era putting a nipple drum was a cheapest way to convert old flintlock guns to modern percussion ignition. It resulted in weaker barrels than those purpose built ones that have patent breech, but its non issue, givent the fact that replicas are made from steel instead of shitty iron and the rifling on those guns only support light projectiles like roundballs and short reals that generate moderate pressures.
      Both locks have the same dimensions, so no wood fitting is needed. Just make sure to keep the nipple drum and venthole threads protected from fouling with high temperature resistant copper grease or hydraulic tape, so they wont be stuck the next time you need to unscrew them.
      Same is doable with their so called Traditional Hawken rifles, because Italians being cheapskates use the same type of lock. All aforementioned Pedersoli rifles and Kentucky pistols in both version use the exact same type of small pistol lock, the only difference is finishing. Ardesa does the same with both versions of their Kentucky rifles and pistols, all of them have removable drum, although often they are harder to unscrew, due to shoddy fitment and the use of loctite by the manufacturer.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        interesting

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks anon, do you know if there is any compatibility between perdre soil and ardesa locks? I might have a cheap rifle Woodstock from Ardesa and I wonder if I can adapt my pistol lock from pedersoli on it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, they have different dimensions and placement of the screws. Shape of the lock is also different between those manufacturers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pity, thanks for the follow-up

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not a muzzle loader bro but I am still interested to know what you guys would consider the best Muzzle loader ever made if there even is such a gun

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have heard White muzzleloaders are the best of the best. I was going to order from him but the boomer just ghosted me

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    mlg 360 trickshot

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the best way to work up good/safe powder and ball loads for smoothbores?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Work on the recommended load then trial and error with your own

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Started looking into Veteran Arms for their muzzle loaders. Specifically the Arquebus and the Handgonne because Autism. Are they good quality, or a waste of money?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a consensus as to what was the peak of muzzleloading? Like what was the best option in the world in say the mid 1860s, not counting breach loaders?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Best for what? Hunting? Target shooting? Military application? Because those have vastly different requirements and different countries will claim their guns are superior, which might be true, if we acknowledge that they were designed to suit local environment, particular shooting disciplines, particular game etc. Like - you could argue that British Rigby rifles were best for long range shooting - but only from the prone, otherwise they are cumbersome. And Swiss or Austrian target stutzen were bets for shooting from standing position, but they suck for everything else, to the point of being unusuable from the prone. Classic English shotguns are praised by Anglo authors as best things ever, Austrians and Germans praise theirs. Everyone agrres that the best military smoothbore flintlocks were made by French - except for the British authors who ignore them out of spite for certain Corsican. garden gnometubers make 10000000 clips about Enfield rifles, no one says anything about Austrian or French Minie guns, that were just as good and often of better manufacturing quality. Americans tell tall stories about Hawken hunting rifles, ignoring the fact that continental rifled guns of the era were both handier and better made. And so on and on.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I mean in the sense of like equiping a military with minie ball rifles. Like the Springfield, the Enfield, the Lorenz, ect, do any of them really have something that stands out about the rest when it comes to combat

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why the French military smoothbore were considered as the best by the way?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because of the modern layout of 1777/AnIX system, that rendered the fusils and pistols easier to maintain, repair and use for the hand to hand combat with a bayonet. Barrel bands, reinforced hammer, removable brass pan, more positive bayonet mounting system, stock geometry that was designed to prevent cracking it at the wrist and enable fast instictive shooting (short l.o.p. combined with cheek cutout to enable consistent aiming posture). Manufacturing was centralized and controlled by state inspectors using the same precise set of gauges. It was designed for mass army and standarized manufacturing, maintenance and logistics. More than six millions of them were made. Frogs were at the vanguard of military innovation of that era.
          Their features were being copied or imitated by all militaries of the era, except for those relying on English military aid, and even in those cases domestically manufactured muskets and pistols patterned after French 1777/AnIX system were introduced as soon as possible - Russians, Prussians, Austrians, Americans all did the same. Brits stucked with Brown Bess, because it was cheap to make - most of their funds were allocated into the navy rather than the army, which before and long after Napoleonic era was serving as a colonial police force. Up to the 1860s and the end of muzzleloading era most military rifles essentially imitated more or less features of 1777/AnIX, even to the point of their aesthetics - like, for example, pic rel.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Very interesting, thanks for sharing anon

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > a muzzle loader is the peak for firearms during the collapse
    Based retard. Just use that money to buy another 2k rounds of 556 or 7.62. you're not the main character who's gonna fight and win against 50 raiders every day

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do game wardens harass in-line shooters during muzzle loading season?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what about percussion breach loaders, can I hunt with a 1859 Sharpes

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    a percussion/flintlock smoothbore musket loaded with buck and ball would still be a scary weapon to face on a modern battlefield even in urban combat where you can use it as an ambush weapon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      minie ball wounds are terrifying

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

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