Can this be considered the first assault rilfe?

Can this be considered the first assault rilfe?
It's got the detachable magazine and the intermediate round, not sure if it is select-fire or fully automatic only.
The bipod seems to indicate that it wasn't intended to fill a typical assault rifle role however.
So what's the /verdict/

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe it can be considered an assault rifle but it was never put into production and was never used in combat for that role.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nice alignment chart.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stg 44 and Fedorov are the only ones that could argue as being "First Assault rifles" the M1 maybe could qualify AS an assault rifle if you are using ban state thinking + numbers used.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US intelligence called the STG44 a shitty M1 carbine

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          8mm kurz BTFOs 30 carbine

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >110 @ 2100 vs 125 @ 2100
            much difference, very btfo

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You mean 8mm kurz 125 @ 2250fps vs 30 carbine 110 @1990fps
              And the 8mm kurz has almost 50% more energy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          US intelligence is anything but.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            M1 is real rifle.
            ST 44 is cope ersatz shooting underpowered cartridge.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its bark is worse than its bite. We've all seen the mg42 film…

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Makes sense, the basic idea of an automatic rifle using an intermediate cartridge died with the StG44 and as we all know, full caliber semi auto rifles like the M14 and SKS would dominate as the standard military firearm to this day.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            x39 is intermediate

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so is 30 carbine

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Designed from the ground up to fit the carbine so it fits the PDW niche.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                guess that makes .223 a pdw round

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't know if sarcasm or bait. Well played sir.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Of course they did, they were fighting a war against Germany.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        commie AK propaganda

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        “All things considered, the Sturmgewehr remains a bulky, unhandy weapon, comparatively heavy and without the balance and reliability of the U.S. M1 Carbine. Its design appears to be dictated by production rather than by military considerations. Though far from a satisfactory weapon, it is apparent that Germany's unfavorable military situation makes necessary the mass production of this weapon, rather than of a machine carbine of a more satisfactory pattern.”

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >germans make an effective, wholey new class of firearm, with the handiness and firepower of a submachine gun, but with the punch of a rifle and better range
          >uhh-uhh our shitty pistol caliber thing we pretty much only give to rear echelon POGs i-is actually b-better guise.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that excerpt is talking about the ergonomics and construction though, not a hard thing to criticize on an 11.5 lbs rifle made during the latter days of ww2

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It was brand new ergos, with the US fielding even for the time outdated shit.
              Although the M1 carbine was moving in the right direction compared to the Garand.
              As far as manufacture, I dunno which was made better, everyone holds German manufacture up on a pedestal though.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its a big heavy rifle with a long magazine sticking out of the bottom
                I'm sure they didn't care much for the layout either (although its not too dissimilar from a thompson or paratrooper carbine)

                >As far as manufacture, I dunno which was made better, everyone holds German manufacture up on a pedestal though.
                anon use your head
                what do you think was constructed better?
                The milled steel rifle made by the worlds largest economic powerhouse with money and resources to piss away?
                or the stamped sheet metal rifle made by a country severely lacking resources and currently being invaded

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what do you think was constructed better?
                >The milled steel rifle made by the worlds largest economic powerhouse with money and resources to piss away?
                >or the stamped sheet metal rifle made by a country severely lacking resources
                AR fags win agian

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The M1 Garand was far from outdated. It was literally the only semi auto standard issue rifle. Other nations had them in small numbers if at all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >clips
                >a 63mm case that could barely match contemporary 50-55mm cases in velocity
                >full wood stock to help it overheat and lose accuracy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Compared to standard issue rifles that were also wood, bolt action, and had internal non detachable magazines fed by stripperclips of which only one (1) matched the capacity of the M1.

                As for the other countries semi-auto rifles, only the Russians was worth a damn, the Germans fielded a shittier knock off of the Russians, and the Japs and Brits fielded none at all. Really, of all these only the SVT 40 was worth a damn, and functionally it had a lot of issues when actually introduced to the field that the Garand simply did not.

                And again, even those that did issue semi auto rifles, none could do it on the scale of making it the standard service rifle. Snowflake shit the the STG44 and FG42 were designed mid- conflict and weren't fielded in any numbers to make a difference. As for an effective design that was proven and could be issued en mass the M1 was it, the other nations issued "archaic" bolt action rifles and submachineguns.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have literally never heard of the M17 having overheating problems

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                M1*
                What the fuck did I type M17 for?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the fedora fires a full size rifle round though

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          6.5 Jap is not a full power round.
          Out of 31" barrel it doesn't even break 2,000 foot pounds.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the MP18 and pedersen weren't in rifle calibers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where does the C96 carbine fit in

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd go with the STG-44 as first "true" assault rifle. But there were many weapons before it that fit the basic design features (detach mags, select fire, intermediate cartridge) but not as much the doctrinal stuff. The EPK (Pyrkal) machine gun of prewar Greece had basicaly the same cartridge as the STG, but firing faster (7.92x36 firing at 2700). It was more intended to fill a SAW/LMG role, though, so it's more akin to a Lewis gun, doctrinally.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Stg44 wasn't even the first German assault rifle.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the Mkb-42 and MP-43 are essentially just prototype STG-44s
          Personally I'd say the STG-44 and the M1 Carbine are the only two that reeally count because they made like 400,000 STG-44s and 6 million M1 Carbines,
          you don't get a participation award for a couple prototypes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Look up Herr Vollmer's work

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The M1 Carbine didn't have select fire. M2 Carbine is closer.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            .30 carbine exists more as a proto PDW than anything.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well now we're gonna get caught up in the semantics of what a "PDW" is

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Carbine specific designed round less than intermediate more than pistol. .30 carbine was designed for the carbine in mind and issued for rear line troops so it fits the original technical specs, the armor piercing didn't get added on until nearly the end of the cold war.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                think theres also an additional doctrinal angle to PDW's in the same way it applies to assault rifles
                things like artillery lugers or carbines designed for rear echelon types can also get classified as PDW's

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but what's the cutoff for intermediate? Does it have to be bottlenecked? A certain velocity?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Velocity/size is generally the metric that separates them.

                guess that makes .223 a pdw round

                >full size rifle
                >intermediate cartridge
                No.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                .223 a full size rifle round
                AR15 officially a Varmint Battle rife

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's an intermediate, compare it to any .30 cal in military use to see the differences.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >literally just called it fullsize

                Velocity/size is generally the metric that separates them.


                [...]
                >full size rifle
                >intermediate cartridge
                No.
                >lol no I didnt

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Compared to a PDW, yes. Context is key, there's books on it if you'd like.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                too late moron
                woodchucks fear the 5.56 real frickin NATO varmint battle rifle

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a full size rifle, intermediate cartridge, I know reading is hard but I do hope you give it some more thought.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >das a full size rifle, you dont need that, get a p90
                t. woodchuck

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Higher than military pistol but less than military rifle.
                Usually intermediate is anything between 750 and 2000 footpounds.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                300-500 yard Range, low recoil impulse, rifle round

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well now we're gonna get caught up in the semantics of what a "PDW" is

              >PDW
              >self defense weapon thats just for not getting shot while real casualty makers like machineguns and ordnance are at work
              so every infantry rifle post machine gun

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really, it's caliber specific like every other classification.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this meme is retarded because the main distinction of assault rifles is their Caliber (being intermediate cartridges) not their doctrine

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It should have one axis with intermediate cartridge, more powerful than pistol caliber and anything and one axis with select fire, self loading/automatic and anything.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You see, the original sandwich-based meme worked because it actually made sense. This imitation is lolsorandom and doesn't work. Be less tryhard next time.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Chill dude

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I stole it years ago dude, how am I supposed to try less?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          By not posting it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What if I post something worse?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      let's be real, federov is an lmg

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >gewehr 98 with trench mag
      holy fuck i didn't even know this was a thing, my dick is diamond. Also why do they have ACOGs? Does Trijicon just love the German Empire too much?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS IMAGE FOR YEARS
      THANK YOU, ANON

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/7JnJL9Z.png

      What if I post something worse?

      These are good and useful charts, the only autism comes in attaching the word alignment just because it's 3x3

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can see the fire selector on the side, it's select fire.
    The Ribeyrolles, like the Fedorov, was an automatic rifle in the vein of the BAR. Both used a less powerful cartridge, with the Ribeyrolles definitely being an intermediate (less so the Fedorov).
    However, being straight blowback with a semi-rimmed cartridge, it's nothing like what most would consider an assault rifle. It also wasn't intended as one, rather, as an automatic rifle. So I'd say it isn't one, but there's evidene in favor.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I always viewed the Federov as an automatic rifle like the BAR since the 6.5x50 Japanese is much more of a rifle round than intermediate. It was also operated as a crew serve weapon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fedorov designed the gun as a lightweight take on the Chauchat design, in fact the round he desired was more powerful than 6.5 Jap they ended up using.

        the confusion with it largely comes from the terminology soviets later reused for their assault rifle to cover up for their blatant copying of foreigners. by calling assault rifles with the name some guy picked for his gun they could claim "see, it's 100% our patriotic domestic development based on our howegrown gunsmithing tradition!".

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in fact the round he desired was more powerful than 6.5 Jap they ended up using.
          In fact the cartridge he designed was in the power range of the NGSW (from longer barrel though) 130 grains at 950m/s. In no way it was intermediate. It was 6.5mm fast magnum.
          6.5 Jap was just cope of Russia's inability to produce his design (actually not just his it was committee designed round he was member of that committee).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hot take
        assualt rifles being full auto is semantic bullshit, youre not suppose to use it 99% of the time, it will fucking melt a g36, even with AK's a gun designed to replace smgs
        first assualt rifles were john brownings remington model 8/FN1900 and Winchester 1907
        semi auto intermediate rifles with an energy of 1100-1800 ft lbs with no expectation to shoot past 500 yards

        >6.5x50 Japanese is much more of a rifle round than intermediate
        lol, barely, have you shot an arisaka? it doesnt even flash out the muzzle

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it will fucking melt a g36

          Only if its an early model and you run 8+ magazines through it as fast as you can.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >lol, barely, have you shot an arisaka? it doesnt even flash out the muzzle
          Isn't that due to the long barrel?

          It's still a pretty heavy round. 21-23 grams.
          A 5.56 is typically 12-13 grams.
          A 7.62 16-17 grams.

          The other WW2 full sized rifle rounds roughly 26-28 grams.
          7.62 NATO is roughly 24-25 grams.

          And now it's time to laugh.
          A .45ACP weighs as much as a 6.5x50, truly the worst of the pistol rounds.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No fuckwit, the first assault rifle was the first rifle named "assault rifle"

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who cares? I dont understand this sperg compulsion to categorize things.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just going to throw this out there, 8mm kurz is essentially identical to 300 blackout.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >make cartridge for silenced gun
      >doesn't make silencer attachment
      Why is the German tech tree so shit?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They lost 2 world wars, so there's that

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ribeyrolles
    ribeyrolles!!! i love her!!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i love bf1 so so much bros

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The last good battlefield game ever made.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No pistol grip
    >No front grip
    >No bullet accelerator
    >No threaded barrel for silenced supressor
    >No chainsaw bayonet
    >No thing that goes up
    >No thing that flips down
    >Doesn't fire 6 gorillion rounds per second

    Don't think so

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