can they do it?

can they do it?

  1. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Sure, in the same way that I can attack my local police precinct and plant my flag on the roof. It ends about the same way.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Arrogance leads to defeat

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Superpowers come and go. The best way to maintain your superpower status, is to treat every threat seriously.
        And if there is one threat on this planet to be taken seriously, it's China.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          Couldn’t we just execute our own CEOs, shareholders, and legislators after a show trial to pretty much nullify any Chinese threat? Maybe run Henry Kissinger over with an asphalt roller?
          I guess add in Billiam Clinton and the Israelis for giving the chinks ballistic missile technology in the mid-90s?
          All the above are why the Chinese have turned into a threat.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Except USA spends ton of money on MIC and intel, while painting China as the next big bad, since ruzzia shit the bed so much. Best China can do is send some tanks on the beach episode while fucking Nancy the stock trader does a PR stunt in Taiwan.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          this, better do nothing at all!

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            No, what I'm saying is US doesn't sit idly here and China will never have Taiwan.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        yeah

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >tumbling bullets for extra lethality at close range
          based

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Century supplied the barrels

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          What on earth are they doing?

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Anyone know what's written under the drawing of that guy's face?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            "Terrorist" something. Can't get a stable autotranslation on the last bit.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          is there a dude firing from behind everyone at the 5 second mark? Also, how bad is your ammunition/rifle if you're hitting the sticks from that close of a range?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          are the bullets performing mid air gymnastics to cause that kind of entrance hole?

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. They’re spinning end over end because the guns are complete shit.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >America is the arrogant ones
        Jesus talk about lack of self awareness

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        the us military isnt arrogant though. when they deploy, they deploy in a way thats viable for
        peer-on-peer fighting. look at the iraq war, it was a sweeping success exactly because they were NOT arrogant. and a naval invasion towards a densely inhabitated hostile island of 24 million supported by the us military industrial complex? theres no way this will go well for the chinese

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >The Eastern Europeans will welcome us as their liberators from communism and join our cause without a fight!
        >The Ukrainians will welcome us as brothers and join our federation without a fight!
        >The Taiwanese will welcome us as a force of unification and join us without a fight!
        ...

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        How did you fuck up the last frame this badly? It doesn't follow the theme at all.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >How
          probably intentionally

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        In defense of the German they did defeat Russia 21 years before.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          That and the Soviets were being heavily supplied by Lend-Lease. Stalin admitted that they'd have lost if the US hadn't given them so much stuff.
          In short, I'm pretty sure this is all FDR's fault. If he had lost in 1932, 1936, or even 1940 (or had stepped down in 1940 as he was supposed to instead of playing fucking dictator by staying in office until he died), we wouldn't have had to worry about the Russians ever again. We were never friends with the reds, FDR was friends with them because he was a commie garden gnome.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            FDR was stuck with two bad choices to begin with - either he let the Nazis win and try to practice their eugenics, or he let the Soviets win and end up here. Intentionally killing anyone who isn't Aryan looked worse, so he took option 2.
            The real problem was Wilson. Get rid of him, and FDR wouldn't have HAD to decide between a pain in the backside for generations and ideologically-motivated eugenics.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              I can agree with that at least, the Good Roosevelt, Teddy, should have won. Or least least Taft since he would have won anyway had Teddy not split the vote, his politics were literally the exact same except he was quiet about it and just did his job, the sole reason Teddy jumped in is because he didn't think Taft would win. Personally I would prefer Taft more as he would maintain the integrity of American term limits and probably could have just consulted Roosevelt, perhaps even sent him as the US ambassador to the postwar conference since he wouldn't be in failing health by 1918 due to being shot in 1912. As epic as his speech was, the world would have been better off if he'd just been patient for once. Also I'm almost certain Teddy's would-be assassin was actually mistaken regarding his schizo remarks about stopping the third termer given that FDR fulfilled this sort of prophecy much later.
              Anyways, picrel really would have been the best US President in history if only the vote hadn't been split. This absolute unit of trust-busting could have saved the world.
              As a bonus, he really didn't want to be president but was sort of railroaded that way due to becoming VP, his main goal and dream was to become a Supreme Court Justice but he wasn't able to do it until much later when he was appointed to Chief Justice in 1925. The man didn't care for tyranny, he was content to live a quiet life and interpret the law faithfully.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                hes a big guy

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Stalin admitted that they'd have lost if the US hadn't given them so much stuff.
            It's funny how according to some studies union had more than enough resources to win on their own from the get go, if only they weren't retarded communists. Their population was oppressed and impoverished to the extend where they initially seen invading nazis as a better choice than bolsheviks. Their soldiers instead of receiving actual training were lied into the face of how glorious their army was and how scared shitless everyone of them, they got their ass kicked by finns so much, that they just couldn't admit that shit to the publoc, so they decided to straight up lie and say everything was perfect, meaning there's no reasons for army reforms (there were). Their officers were purged to the ridiculous extend based purely on loyalty, meaning that they got themselves negative selection for an entire corps. Their industry, instead of building one tank properly, saving resources and making it a peer to enemy tank, decided to build five tanks of the shittiest quality so that none of them would survive even the first battle. And Stalin himself intervened in the general planning with his retarded decisions so often that it would be appropriate to say "they won despite him, not because of him".
            I genuinely believe that war would be going much better for ruskies if whites won. Hell, war probably wouldn't get to the russkies that way because krauts would break their teeth onto poles without Molotov-Ribentrop pact.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        How does the bottom one work when they both say the same thing about each other?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >arrogant
        >implying

        For as much power and influence that the US truly wields it is insanely humble compared to all of these crackpot wannabe dictator regimes. Even the most diehard jingoistic red white and blue pissing American will readily talk about various issues and problems within the country, hell when the Gulf War was prepared there were a shitton of purple hearts made in advance because everyone was expecting it to be Vietnam innasand. Sure you’ll have some fat fucks screeching about something, but as a whole the US is anything but arrogant even if it has a damn good reason to be. There’s a reason why you never see massive military parades here or having our ICBM’s pimped out on the streets like a crack whore, and its because we don’t need to convince the world we could wipe them off the map if we really wanted. Even when America was the sole nuclear power on Earth and had global industry by the balls it didn’t try to go full imperialism or anything despite what commie cocksuckers whine about.

        Better question is: Why would they try to do it? Take some more land to stroke their ego, while at the same time unleashing a massive war that sees them sanctioned and blockaded out the ass. Where losing the battle means the PRC is doomed.
        Where even in the best-case scenario (Chinese take and hold the islands, break a blockade) they're now a pariah.

        You know how vatniks all larp for a greater Russia or whatever and see Ukraine as some sort of existential crisis that could make or break the nation if they don’t incorporate it into the borders? Multiply that by 100 and you get the PRC’s attitude towards Taiwan. Xi is doing the same exact things that monke did and China is barely holding on internally, all this shit with Taiwan is just a distraction.

        https://i.imgur.com/xgWnM5r.jpg

        lmao

        Anon in china promotions are based upon bribes first and foremost followed closely by party loyalty. The PLA is a branch of the CCP. My favorite was when one enterprising officer made a special promotion week where if you let him fuck your wife you got a discount on your next promotion. There were more then willing anticipants

        PLA generals buy mansions in the most expensive areas in the biggest Tier 1 cities while their kids drive around in Ferraris. Hint: they cant afford any of that with their official salary.

        This is only scratching the surface. Of course defense contractors will now paint CHINA NUMBA WAN whenever they can for obvious reason but in real capabilities changs are as shit as vatniks minimum, likely even worse judging by their miserable track record in real wars. Face obsessed cultures are absolute cancer.

        Don’t forget all those party billionaires and high ranked logistics officers who spilled the beans on how comically fucked up procurement for everything is so they get some more cash, one of whom pretty much had a whole prostitution ring with all of the women under his command going on.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Multiply that by 100 and you get the PRC’s attitude towards Taiwan.
          And it all stems from the same fundamental issue dictatorships have. They all put out the same message: "everything you plebs have is due to the tireless effort of [insert_big_monke_name]". However, the plebs will then ask: "but what about those guys? They aren't ruled by [insert_big_monke_name], yet they seem to be doing quite well. In fact, they seem to be doing better than us..."

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >For as much power and influence that the US truly wields it is insanely humble compared to all of these crackpot wannabe dictator regimes. Even the most diehard jingoistic red white and blue pissing American will readily talk about various issues and problems within the country, hell when the Gulf War was prepared there were a shitton of purple hearts made in advance because everyone was expecting it to be Vietnam innasand. Sure you’ll have some fat fucks screeching about something, but as a whole the US is anything but arrogant even if it has a damn good reason to be. There’s a reason why you never see massive military parades here or having our ICBM’s pimped out on the streets like a crack whore, and its because we don’t need to convince the world we could wipe them off the map if we really wanted. Even when America was the sole nuclear power on Earth and had global industry by the balls it didn’t try to go full imperialism or anything despite what commie cocksuckers whine about.

          the definition of humblebrag

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >shitton of purple hearts made in advance
          yeah, they were made in 1944 in preparation for the invasion of japan. the US still hasn't used up the stockpile of purple heart medals stamped for that. hell, it only recently (2012 or so) used up the supply of bomb casings that had been made for that campaign.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >one of whom pretty much had a whole prostitution ring with all of the women under his command going on.
          This alone tells me everything I need to know how fucked they are. The soviets did this exact thing with their women soldiers.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Russia does the same thing with their male soldiers.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Whoever made this meme needs to kill himself as soon as possible

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          mad

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        last panel was originally chinks being cocky about taiwan kek

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        I agree, but China will double down

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          They're not even content with stealing good American ideas? They HAVE to copy stupid Russian fever dreams?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Does the American military have a quadcopter gap?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Dahir Insaat is chinese and runs chinese DARPA..

            How low can you go with retard syndrome. The only one having a fever dream is you.

            Fucking fag. KYS or shut the fuck up. Because other retards might hear your retard and formulate shit retard opinions.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          They're not even content with stealing good American ideas? They HAVE to copy stupid Russian fever dreams?

          What is with that missile dispenser is that even a thing?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            It's some wunderwaffe delusion coked up by some turk/russian.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          METALUSTORMU
          WHATARU AERODYNAMICU

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          childish

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >In appearance it is very powerful but in reality it is nothing to be afraid of; it is a paper tiger. Outwardly a tiger, it is made of paper, unable to withstand the wind and the rain. I believe that it is nothing but a paper tiger.
        - some chinese idiot

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Except the only reason the top 2 are winning is because of American aid.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >arrogance leads to defeat
        That actually explains very well China's utter military incompetence throughout modern history

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >China's utter military incompetence throughout modern history
          >China's utter military incompetence throughout history.
          ftfy.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >USSR got HARD CARRIED by lend lease
        >Ukies getting considerable lend lease
        >Somehow this means the Ching Chong army will be able to conduct the largest amphibious assualt in human history against an adversary who will be getting, you guessed it, lend lease
        lol. lmao even

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Why the fuck would China even need Lend Lease? They have the industrial output of the USA, Germany, and Japan combined.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Chinese economy functioning without foreign resources and capital

            good joke bro

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        A lot of Chinese shills seem to think that being underestimated means you win. A lot of the time, being underestimated ends with someone saying in between gasps of air, "Whoa... killing him... was a lot... harder... than I was... expecting it to be." But then they catch their breath, wander off, and leave your corpse where it lies.
        Case in point, the US was not expecting the Battle of Iwo Jima to be as fierce, as long, or as bloody as it ended up being. But after 36 days, the US held the island... and 98.82% of the Japanese garrison were dead.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Even the United States would be unable to invade and hold Taiwan without glassing >60% of the urban infrastructure. If the Chinese fuck up their hearts and minds campaign by torturing and disappearing people, which they absolutely will, the island will roll with internal conflict. China may take Taiwan but the cost would extraordinary. And this is not to mention that Taiwan could strike critical infrastructure as revenge and the Chinese are unlikely to mitigate such a strike. Ports, highways, dams. Maybe even city centers. It would make Russia’s embarrassment with Ukraine look minor. Throwing away their opportunity for world superpower for a fucking rock.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        The fuck are you on about, the US military has been ringing the alarm bells regarding China for the past 8 years as their #1 threat and stating that they are on course to lose if appropriate measures won't be taken (they currently aren't as per the US military).

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Fixed it for you senpai

      • 6 days ago
        sage

        https://i.imgur.com/1aIZSsd.jpg

        can they do it?

        How is China supposed to invade Taiwan when Taiwan is like 60% mountain
        Your tanks will not get through all that shit
        And what isn't mountains is all urban hell sprawl

        China has raw numbers and logistics on their side. USA has a benefit of Russia being incompetent so the Atlantic only needs a piecemeal force with a bit of NATO allies actually pulling their weight.

        I think a defense of Taiwan would require outspending China 3 or 5 to 1, just for a prolonged stalemate. I think in a hypothetical, closed system scenario of just the two powers it would ultimately be a pyrrhic victory in China's favor.

        But that ignores the global response, allies in SEA, etc. USA could if necessary massively ramp up oil production and eat the cost. Hell we could transition back to rare earths refining and build all our own electronics in a long enough war.
        So long as nobody pushes the nuke button a Taiwan invasion would be stalemated and would socially and politically destroy the CCP while assfucking the Chinese economically.

        Given Taiwan's wanting to seriously increase their defense, Japan is dusting off the ol brass, Australia just wants an excuse to fuck anyone, and a dozen other serious players able to throw some economic, political, and military weight,
        A Chinese invasion is suicide.

        >China has raw numbers and logistics on their side.
        How are they going to get 500,000 Chinese soldiers across 100 miles (157km) of water?
        They need to get their tanks, soldiers, ammo, fuel, artillery, artillery ammo, food, medical supplies and logistical trucks across the Taiwan strait without getting raped by the the US Navy, Australian Navy, Japanese Navy, Taiwanese defenses, Taiwanese navy, and South Korean navy?
        Oh, don't forget the US Air Force which will definitely do a lot of raping.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          They're going to get 500k soldiers across 100 miles of water a hell of a lot easier than the USA will be ferrying arms, people and supplies across the entire Pacific.

          China has an inherent logistics advantage and you have to be plum fuckin retarded to not understand that. They have 100+ mile capable missiles, their own GPS network, their own spysats. The government of China can straight up force as many manufacturers as possible to assist in or retool for arms manufacture, and they have the resources and manpower to burn through any defense. They have the advantage in attacking Taiwan in the same way the USA has an advantage in defending the west coast.

          China is low-grade military but push comes to shove, they -could- burn out the US' ability to supply defense. 100 miles versus 6,000. They make something like 80% of the world's steel. They have a contract monopoly on an overwhelming majority of rare earth metals production. They can just conscript 10 million dudes and ten million more and ten million more after that, while having tens of millions employed in war production. China has stockpiled something like 3.5 years worth of drystore food.

          So what did I say in the rest of the post? Realistically an invasion of Taiwan is suicide for the CCP.
          In a hypothetical "Just china versus the US MIC" we'd get economically crushed from the stalemate.
          Location matters. 100 miles versus 6,000.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Crossing a 100-mile wide strait, which in the event of war would be mined all to hell, within range of anti-shipping missiles in its entirety, and below contested airspace, depositing an entire army onto sand beaches under fire, and then landing the thousands of tons of supply per day needed to sustain it without the use of port facilities or the protection of a natural harbor.
            vs.
            The United States' existing logistical infrastructure.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            you are so retarded it hurts

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            you should read up on the troop buildup in Saudi Arabia prior to Desert Storm and the logistical feats required for it that only the US could pull off. VII corps was burning millions of gallons of fuel per day during their left hook maneuver. 140k troops, 1500 tanks, 1400 IFVs, 600 artillery pieces, 130 MLRS, and 250 attack helicopters

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              The thought alone gives me a freedom boner. Few normies have any sort of idea of the awesome might of the US military.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            This is the kind of opinion you see from somebody who has never read about actual amphibious operations and the logistical backbone that they require.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            kys chang but it sounds like your government will do it for you if they're retarded enough to try and invade Taiwan

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah well LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION didn't allow Nazi Germany to bring down Great Britain, and the shortest distance across the English channel is 6 km you are fucking retarded, there are many times more factors that you are not accounting for.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        If anything, China is overestimated. Just like Russia was.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        你不会活着看到“祖国统一”
        你的后代也不活着看到
        台湾是一个国家
        钓鱼岛是日本的
        西沙群岛是越南的
        南沙群岛以及黄岩岛都是菲律宾的
        藏南是印度的
        长白山是韩国的
        藏独万岁
        港独万岁
        疆独万岁
        你必须回去

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Babys first copypasta

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >sovl

        https://i.imgur.com/jeK7FSA.jpg

        Fixed it for you senpai

        >soul less

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >germany was the aggressor against the soviet union
        >russia was the aggressor in ukraine
        >the united states seeks to safe guard taiwan from the pla
        >"LITERALLY THE SAME AS KIEV IN THREE DAYS"

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Both USSR and Ukraine would actually fall without American support though. Will China have any support from the US if America was to attack them? I don't think so.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Change the last panel with China being arrogant about Taiwan and it would be accurate.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus Christ, it literally looks like a cheap Chinese bootleg toy compared to the real thing.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            You're right. The UH-60 looks like trash.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        What could possibly be the pattern here?

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          There isn't one, you're trying to create one and doing it very stupidly.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Hit a little too close to home, huh?

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            i just wanted to chime in and say you're pretty stupid as well lol

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          The world didn't just magically decide to get along post '91. It was because the US was willing to engage in a global struggle against totalitarian ideology and stare down autocrats around the world.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong. The US used elite capture in order to falsify global consensus towards a one world government. The Swedish constitution guarantees a referendum on military alliances, but this was ignored and they're just gonna join NATO because fuck you this isn't a democracy anymore.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              Your mistake is viewing that neoliberal economic consensus through a 4chan shitpost lens. Post '91, the economic, military, cultural, and political power of democracy severely outweighed totalitarianism and autocracy for the first time in human history. The benefits that neoliberal economic consensus has given to the world exists because, like I said above, USA #1

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                It's not "democracy", though, anymore than feudalism was justified by Divine Right.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                because 4chan said so? what's the better alternative? should we do it like Russia where you go to jail or fall out of a window for shitposting about Putin? Or should we be like China with our own great big firewall and word filters?

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                No, not "because 4chan said so". Because elected officials don't run the country anymore. Even this week, Biden was on 60 minutes saying the US will defend Taiwan, then a few hours later the State Department "clarified" that no it won't. And you had the same thing with Trump who didn't want any troops in Syria. The State Department didn't care. So it isn't even a left-right thing. No matter who gets elected, the actual government just chugs along as normal. That's your "neoliberal consensus", and it is completely artificial.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                see

                https://i.imgur.com/rLC0Xcl.png

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

                and trump was launching cruise missiles at syria within his first 30 days so I don't know what you're mad about there

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                He didn't want troops on the ground. Nice reading comprehension.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ah right, well I'm all for the destruction of the deep state but Trump ain't that guy and I don't really blame the state dept. for fudging troop totals considering how fucking retarded he seems to be. But still, what's the alternative? I unironically believe in the supremacy of American power and that without us as hegemony, the jungle grows back.

              • 5 days ago
                Anonymous

                More like countries start serving their own interests instead of slowly setting up the stage for an anti-democratic technocracy.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >USSR
        Saved by a 3 front war and sheer lend lease power. They still almost lost despite that until Germany burned out/
        >Ukraine
        Russians proved their retardation by completely mismanaging their early conquest and then Ukraine was given actual Western tier toys like HIMARS and anti-radar missiles that one sidedly turned the war because Russia couldn't respond.
        China wouldn't get either of those. It can't even feed it's own populace or fuel it's economy. The whole reason belts and road is done is to try and give them some kind of access to Africa and Asian resources without reliance on the ocean. The problem is you are expecting the nogs in Africa and nations who aren't really happy with the projects to maintain them while China rots inside out and starts engaging in Tang Dynasty tactics to sustain itself, which it already is economically. Russia's arms industry can't come close to supplying China with the arms it'd need to stop the US and the US, even without NATO, knows how to ruin China's entire infrastructure without much effort as it's been brainstorming it for longer than China has had working automobiles.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        China isn't arrogant you say?

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        The whole soviet system did collapse under nazi attack, the western empires propped them up until the german military was broken. Same with the Ukrainian army, China however has noone to prop them up. Also we know your entire military strength.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me you're a boomer without telling me you're a boomer.

  2. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    what's "IC"? "intelligence cuhmewnitee"?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      International community

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's a board about drawing you fucking newfag.

  3. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Keyword: capability

    Basically the military can just tell him China can takes Taiwan ON PAPER, and he'll be happy, which is what the Russians did to Putin anyway, you know the rest

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      But china isn't corrupt or retarded like Russia

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >But china isn't corrupt or retarded like Russia
        Bhahaha. They are easily just as, if not even more, corrupt as Russia. I'll give you the "retardation part".
        Somebody post that "Don't learn Mandarin" greentext.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          (You)

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous
        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >They are easily just as, if not even more, corrupt as Russia
          Transparency International has China on rank 66. Russia is rank 136 and America is rank 27.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            China have been faking their shit since forever. Nobody has called them out on this because, if they chimp out, nobody will be able to buy the magical glowy box.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              You do realize Transparency International does their own research, right? Do you honestly think Russia gets its rank 136 placement because Russia flat out comes and admits they're a corrupt shithole?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm saying that the Chinese care about appearances more than whatever amount of money they use to bribe them. They're also more adept at covering up shit. Pootin, by contrast, doesn't give a fuck.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Are you implying China has bribed Transparency International to get their placement on their shitlist?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                They're a fucking totalitarian dictatorship with face recognition software in their surveillance cameras, a firewall blocking out the Western world, and auto-censor on several words in every social media app.
                By all rights they should be well below 100.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think that has anything to do with corruption, which is what the topic was all about. Nobody's arguing that they aren't an authoritarian single party dictatorship. If anything, you'd think it would help them curb corruption even better.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >you'd think it would help them curb corruption even better.
                Lolno. Corruption is mandatory if you want to climb the CCP's ranks. They won't let you into the big boys club otherwise. They would lack a killswitch, so they couldn't be able to slap you with corruption charges if you went off script.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >so they couldn't be able to slap you with corruption charges if you went off script.
                LOL they can put you in prison for anything at any time, there doesn't have to be a real reason

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Lolno x2. High-ranking party officials are untouchable. The CCP is the ultimate real-life example of "rules for thee, but not for me". You couldn't just arrest a province's chief secretary for some random bullshit, since it would send a signal that the bigwigs no longer benefit from the protection afforded by their position. Nobody in the party wants that, hence "corruption" (a.k.a. falling out of favor) being the only thing they can be brought down with. Which is why people who refuse corruption are not permitted to climb beyond certain positions. They are untrustworthy.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Notice everyone just stop talking to you after a while, realize they just get my tired of you talking in circles and denying reality.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >you'd think it would help them curb corruption even better.
                I don't understand where this idea comes from - it is easier to hide corruption in a society where you can have your underlings killed if they learn too much, not harder

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I wouldn't say bribe, they'd rather put up an elaborate appearance to fool observers, that's the OG communist way

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                >put up an elaborate appearance to fool observers, that's the OG communist way
                Are you referring to the fake houses in NK? The ones they built near the border to try and fool people into coming over thinking it was a nice country?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Or the handful of roided cows Cubans made pass by observers, then secretly move the same cows wherever else the observers went so they too would pass them by there to put on a bountiful agricultural appearance.

                Or the bombers Soviets would fly over Red Square parades, then come around out of sight to fly over again and convince an American observer that there was a bomber gap.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >he trusts in to reports of totalitarian state
            lmao
            next you gonna say they don't have concentration camps

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/cCvK92t.png

            You do realize Transparency International does their own research, right? Do you honestly think Russia gets its rank 136 placement because Russia flat out comes and admits they're a corrupt shithole?

            It's literally called the Corruption PERCEPTIONS Index anon, a lot of the research are essentially questionnaires to various NGOs, businessmen and other "experts" asking them how much corruption they think is going on. That's pretty easy to skew. So if a country has a petty corruption problem going on, but that corruption doesn't go up high into the ministries, it can still fuck up the country's score since it's those experiences of lower-level corruption that will influence the data gathered. On the other hand, a country that reins in petty corruption in prominent, front-facing agencies but allows grand larceny to occur behind the scenes might get a pretty good score otherwise.
            China, being an authoritarian state, is the latter, and the tight media controls means that barely any of it sees the light of day, even to experts who make a living monitoring corruption. That's why some argue that the CPI just reinforces stereotypes and cliches that aren't helpful in measuring actual corruption going on:
            https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/22/corrupting-perceptions/

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/nVCCGpU.png

          I never learned mandarin, but I had the unfortunate task of having to deal with a Chinese contact for fucked up order returns. Fucking nightmare that was. I was asked so many times to falsify documents so they'd save on customers fee and shit.
          Bitch, I just pack the stuff and prepare the documents. I shouldn't even be talking to you or freight forwards about terms and shit, the buyer should. Wasn't paid nearly enough to deal with that bullshit.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >But china isn't corrupt
        Look up who Guo Boxiong is, when they charged him with corruption, the gov seized 14B in assets, they had to get military trucks to transport cash out of his basement because there were so much money

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        lmao

        Anon in china promotions are based upon bribes first and foremost followed closely by party loyalty. The PLA is a branch of the CCP. My favorite was when one enterprising officer made a special promotion week where if you let him fuck your wife you got a discount on your next promotion. There were more then willing anticipants

        PLA generals buy mansions in the most expensive areas in the biggest Tier 1 cities while their kids drive around in Ferraris. Hint: they cant afford any of that with their official salary.

        This is only scratching the surface. Of course defense contractors will now paint CHINA NUMBA WAN whenever they can for obvious reason but in real capabilities changs are as shit as vatniks minimum, likely even worse judging by their miserable track record in real wars. Face obsessed cultures are absolute cancer.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >My favorite was when one enterprising officer made a special promotion week where if you let him fuck your wife you got a discount on your next promotion. There were more then willing anticipants

          Kek, is this true?

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Were they actually married or did they try to fool him by going full femboy?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >My favorite was when one enterprising officer made a special promotion week where if you let him fuck your wife you got a discount on your next promotion. There were more then willing anticipants
          and sadly you don't happen to have a source on that outlandish claim

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Anon in china promotions are based upon bribes first and foremost followed closely by party loyalty. The PLA is a branch of the CCP. My favorite was when one enterprising officer made a special promotion week where if you let him fuck your wife you got a discount on your next promotion. There were more then willing anticipants
          >PLA generals buy mansions in the most expensive areas in the biggest Tier 1 cities while their kids drive around in Ferraris. Hint: they cant afford any of that with their official salary.
          >This is only scratching the surface. Of course defense contractors will now paint CHINA NUMBA WAN whenever they can for obvious reason but in real capabilities changs are as shit as vatniks minimum, likely even worse judging by their miserable track record in real wars. Face obsessed cultures are absolute cancer.
          >chud toons
          >dude trust me tier

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        He'll be 74 by then and he knows the US will intervene if he tried shit, he's just saber rattling after going through two massive protests in his country the past year with likely more to come. For all of his dictator4Life bullshit, he started waaay to close to the end of it.

        They're waaay more corrupt than Russia in general and are somehow worse fighters too, but they definitely aren't as stupid which is why an invasion would never happen. We're talking about a military that struggles in border disputes with fucking India here.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >We're talking about a military that struggles in border disputes with fucking India here.
          In fairness, they aren't allowed to have weapons on the border with India.

          China's stupid, not insane.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        But their military is walmart quality and men who have zero battle experience. China is a paper tiger with nukes, just like that ass putin

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          That's honestly the real issue. Even Russian troops have technically more combat experience pre-Ukraine, but nobody beats the US in that regard. Guess a policy of intervention is pretty handy in that regard.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous
    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >on paper
      That's literally been the issue since communism was invented. From the lowliest collective farmer to officials in various government bureaucracies, if you failed to meet the insane targets set by the assholes at the top, you'd be taken out back and shot. Failure of any kind is seen as political unreliability, and a lack of loyalty. So, you do what anybody in fear of your life would do, you lie like a dog and shut the fuck up. Eventually, when it all comes crumbling down, your lies will have been compounded with all the lies of those above you, and you'll live another day.

  4. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >can they do it?
    Yes but it depends on what both the US and Taiwan response is. If the US get's directly involved, no, if Taiwan beefs up it's military and the US sends aid then it's a maybe at best.
    That island can be a porcupine to try and bite down on. Landing an army means nothing if you can not constantly supply it from across the straight. It takes a lot more effort to conquer than to defend.

  5. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    If the Chinks are as incompetent as you know who, they can't take shit.

  6. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Taiwanese here. China wont do shit and if they do do shit they will fail yet again

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      From the Battle of Guningtou (on Kinmen island) in 1949:
      >The M5A1 tanks employed by the ROC forces on Kinmen proved to be effective in countering the human wave attacks employed by the initial PLA landing forces, which were mostly composed of light infantry. ROC tank crews who had depleted their ammunition used their tanks as road rollers to crush PLA infantry. The pivotal role these tanks played caused ROC troops to give the M5A1 the nickname "Bear of Kinmen" (金門之熊).

  7. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    So its safe to say that USA, Japan and Australia will jump in to help Taiwan. Who else in the region is team Taiwan?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >So its safe to say that USA, Japan and Australia will jump in to help Taiwan
      Lol. Lmao even. Look at Ukraine: that is the extent of the help Taiwan will receive. Whether or not it's enough is a different matter.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. Taiwan is far more important to the US than Taiwan is.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          If America won't put boots on the ground to humiliate a country as weak as Russia while spending 20 years wailing on even weaker durkas, they won't do shit against China. Intel & materiel is all Taiwan will get, as well as whatever economic sanctions the west is willing to tolerate. Anyone who thinks otherwise is dangerously high on hopium.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            War against china is just as risky as war against Russia because either could result in nuclear war. The US loses basically nothing if Russia gets Ukraine, the US loses a ton of china gets Taiwan. They will not let it happen

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine provides basically nothing to the US. Taiwan is central to the entire world economy due to semiconductor production and china controlling Taiwan makes it impossible for the US to deny them access to the Pacific. The US will go to bat for Taiwan.

          no one wants china to be in complete control of semiconductor production

          TSMC will blow their own fabs before letting them fall to chinks

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Trips of retardation
        https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:22%20section:2321k%20edition:prelim)

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine provides basically nothing to the US. Taiwan is central to the entire world economy due to semiconductor production and china controlling Taiwan makes it impossible for the US to deny them access to the Pacific. The US will go to bat for Taiwan.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        no one wants china to be in complete control of semiconductor production

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          First one sucked though. Eisenhower went MUH NOOKS and the Navy helped ROC evacuate.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      India
      >are you retarded?
      Yes I am but hear me out. India is mad at China for multiple reasons, from it paying pakis to bullshit territorial disputes.
      Also India would want russia to be in its sphere of influence for those cheap resources. You know what else would it want? To replace China as the cheap manufacturing-big market player in Asia.
      The one way for India to become an actual hehemon in the region is to get rid of China and secure the post-China trade/power vacuum for itself.
      And if the push comes to shove and China will start getting its ass kicked, India will be the first to feast on its remains, if not outright assist in putting bugmen out of their misery.

  8. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Americans bitch and moan about how their country is going to shit while China gets stronger every day

  9. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >can they do it?
    by tripling the size of their navy.. they can triple the number of sailors that will drown on attempt

  10. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >more money that will disappear in that hyper-corrupted hole
    Good. Then when the invasion will start, we will see soldiers on ships made of cardboard.

  11. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    They basically have that long (2027) until they start having manpower collapse due to a declining population. They have as much right now as they ever will have while the US is going to have population increases for another century.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      The united states's population growth is also paradoxically the cancer that is killing it. The immigrant/minority demographics that are responsible for positive population growth consume an extremely disproportionate amount of budget resources, and are also the least likely to cooperate with conscription.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >The immigrant/minority demographics that are responsible for positive population growth consume an extremely disproportionate amount of budget resources
        The Lopez family (Julio, short order cook, Elena, grocery clerk, and kids Esteban and Clara) from Las Cruces, New Mexico consume more resources than Matthew Jones (57, divorced, unemployed, Medicaid recipient) from Trenton, Michigan? Press X to doubt...

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          No amount of Russia being gay and retarded solves the race problem, shitlib.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            An unemployed Hispanic is working as a coolie (or fruit picker) without papers. An unemployed white is camping the local social sec office. Numbers don't mean shit anymore.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          What a fantasy you've concocted.
          Shame it doesn't bare out

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          You wish you were right, now look at mexico, a country with lots of Julios and Elenas and then look at the US, a country with more Matthews and tell me wich one is surperior

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          >ignoring that over 3 million people have been let in illegally at the southern border in the past 18 months

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >and are also the least likely to cooperate with conscription
        This is the thing imo. It's not like the US military is enjoying much popularity right now domestically and a potential draft would be utterly disastrous, far worse than Vietnam. But I'm 100% sure it will never get to the point that a draft is needed. America just has to hope they can beat their potential enemies with quality manpower, rather than manpower quantity.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >America just has to hope they can beat their potential enemies with quality manpower,
          And how long do you think American can maintain quality manpower? Everyday the military seems to be hurting on recruitment while they lower standards across the board.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >and are also the least likely to cooperate with conscription
        >not wealthy coastal pansies

  12. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Also, they will continue pussying out because the idea of launching an amphibious invasion of Taiwan is retarded. Even more retarded than invading Ukraine.

  13. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I’m to old to participate in the next invasion of China....

  14. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    So time really is a flat circle and 2020s are already shaping up to be a repeat of the last century. What pituitary retards we really are. We could be fucking exploring space ffs.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      We will, event repeat but the set dressing changes

  15. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >China's coastal airforce (with no experience)
    >China's carrier groups which they are able to build in the next 5 years
    >of which they have 1 (the Russian knockoffs don't count)
    >their naval landing forces (which have no experience)
    >north korea maybe
    vs
    >the seventh fleet at bare minumum, more if they redeploy the ones stationed in the rest of the pacific and Indian oceans
    >Japan's naval forces
    >Australia's Naval forces
    >Worst Korea's naval forces (if Kim doesn't start anything)
    The Chinese will be attempting the biggest naval landings since Normandy in a contested passage, with East Asia's biggest indestructible airfield off their coast, while risking their supply lines getting cut off if the US decides to shut down the straits of Malacca or pull a general naval blockade, all while having absolutely no combat experience or even combat tested equipment. Attempting to invade Taiwan would be the most ill-advised military endeavour since Tshushima. (Okay, maybe not that bad, but you get the point)

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      They're getting closer to making the straits of malaca less relevant with how they are looking internally and through Russia (which will become even closer to them even after getting fucked in the last pipeline deal). What people do t realize is the Taiwanese are the same in regards to very green troops that aren't trained to a very high standard for even a conscription army.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Vietnam, Singapore, India and perhaps even a few others would be happy to jump in if it looks like they'll get a chance to cut China down to size.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >the biggest naval landings since Normandy
      Under artillery and missile fire that is multiple orders of magnitude more precise than what was faced in Normandy. The shortest distance from shore to shore is about 80 miles. The PLAN Type 071 has a speed of 29mph. That's a lot of time on task to be intercepted.

  16. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Better question is: Why would they try to do it? Take some more land to stroke their ego, while at the same time unleashing a massive war that sees them sanctioned and blockaded out the ass. Where losing the battle means the PRC is doomed.
    Where even in the best-case scenario (Chinese take and hold the islands, break a blockade) they're now a pariah.

  17. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >work as electronics engineer making circuit boards
    >work is already challenging due to chip shortage
    >if China attacks Taiwan it's going to be 100x worse
    Taiwan in NATO when?
    I don't wanna become a fisherman

  18. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I hate chinks so much

  19. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Taiwan needs to get take their chip industry and move it to the US or EU ASAP.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      No, the industry being there makes the islands valuable and worth defending. Move the facilities away and there will be less motivation to fight. Which would mean China taking the islands and securing a searoute, creating more problems for the Pacific.
      Fabricating plants should be built in those other regions but the ones on the island should remain too.

  20. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    They can try, but in no way would they succeed.
    D-Day x10 is needed to take the island and Taiwan is way more defensible than occupied France with limited landing areas, mountainous terrain, 21st century anti-ship weapons, and the #1 military power in the world as a sworn protector

    China's power is peaking, so sometime between now and 2030 is their best shot, but the gap between them and the USA is still way too big

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      A single USN DDG could sink the invasion force from reaching Taiwan in anything but piecemeal flotsam.

  21. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    ~~*David Cohen*~~

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, everyone saw it.

      >For as much power and influence that the US truly wields it is insanely humble compared to all of these crackpot wannabe dictator regimes. Even the most diehard jingoistic red white and blue pissing American will readily talk about various issues and problems within the country, hell when the Gulf War was prepared there were a shitton of purple hearts made in advance because everyone was expecting it to be Vietnam innasand. Sure you’ll have some fat fucks screeching about something, but as a whole the US is anything but arrogant even if it has a damn good reason to be. There’s a reason why you never see massive military parades here or having our ICBM’s pimped out on the streets like a crack whore, and its because we don’t need to convince the world we could wipe them off the map if we really wanted. Even when America was the sole nuclear power on Earth and had global industry by the balls it didn’t try to go full imperialism or anything despite what commie cocksuckers whine about.

      the definition of humblebrag

      Its true thought. Think about it, you would never hear America go on about "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy and (unless your South American) they tend to go for the gentle touch in backroom negotiations.

      The Chinese are diplomatic hoodrats.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Cohen

  22. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >worlds no 0 (better than no 1) superpower has failed to move less than 80km outside of its territory so the no2 paper tiger in the world realises potjomkin village, lies and deceit doesn't make its made up fake force capable of doing anything but deserting and surrendering.

  23. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao good fucking luck. Taiwan is now a red line. Regardless of any lack of defence treaty, a Taiwan invasion will have the USA, Japan (article 9 is going away, mark my words), South Korea, and Australia launching a full naval defense. You think the US and its aligned Pacific nations have put billions into their island chain strategy for nothing? If Taiwan is not safe, nobody in the Pacific is.
    Remember, NATO had "no reason" to do what they are doing for Ukraine, but they did it anyway. Taiwan is far more critical.

  24. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    what is the current state of the chinese military that they couldn't do it now? Is it simply their technology isn't sufficient enough to take on NATO's and Taiwans?

  25. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    if china started a military buildup in fujian, taiwan would have time to build nukes. then what? nuke taipei? there's no winning scenario in an armed conflict. china would be far better off using spies and propaganda and creating a coup

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      China is already trying the coup. The most recent election was primarily between nationalists vs chinese plants.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        Retard

  26. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Would they be willing to engage in some equivalent exchange?

  27. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ultimately it depends on how many lives the US is willing to sacrifice trying to defend a country from its neighbor. Taiwan presumably doesn't have the military infrastructure that Ukraine has and transporting provisions won't be as easy as sending them through Europe.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Australia, Japan, and South Korea are also in alliance with Taiwan. The US is not the only player in the world stage. Taiwan is notoriously difficult to invade because the Taiwanese Strait is basically only traversible 3 months of the year which severely limits the window of operation. The only possible point of invasion is from the west coast since the east is entirely untraversable mountains. and Taiwan has artillery pointed in that direction ready to go. Could China invade Taiwan, possibly, probably with huge losses, but would they is another question. By the time China's military is sufficiently prepared to take Taiwan, geopolitics may have completely changed to make it unfeasible or outright undesireable.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >the Taiwanese Strait is basically only traversible 3 months of the ye
        Why is this?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Water. Ships can't go wherever they want whenever they want. It's similar to the American Puget Sound in WA state where most every submarine and a bunch of carriers come and go due to the submarine base in Silverdale, the glowmoron base also there with a huge hospital on it and the Bremerton military shipyard deal where all the workers are quadruple-vaxxed due to muh fedrul gubermint requirements even though that's never been enforceable. There's also JBLM nearby as well. Fuckoff-huge base with the biggest exchange (government taxfree walmart) and commissary (grocery store) on the planet. You can buy guns there for sticker price without ever needing to pay tax. Same with coastguard exchanges and most Marine ones.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            OK ty. I thought it was to do with sea currents and such.
            I know the English Channel (je suis un bong) is extremely busy, and that cross-channel swimmers can't just close their eyes and head for the other side. In addition to jellyfish, there's also passing traffic.

  28. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >attack Taiwan
    >provoke a war with the largest navy on the planet in response

    Surely the Chinese must realize that the only potential results of such an endeavor is either a Second Century of Humiliation or a Nuclear Holocaust, right?

    Why not wait after until America and Russia destroy each other in a nuclear exchange, or America destroys itself in a civil war?
    Why take Taiwan through force instead of politically subverting them to the point where they rejoin the PRC voluntarily?
    Why take Taiwan at all? China is already one of the largest countries in the world both geographically and by population. What does Taiwan have that they need so badly?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Because this is the absolute peak of Chinese power, and everything is pointing to it all plummetting downhill and making everything America went through in 2020 look like paradise. Xi is harping over Taiwan for the same exact reason Russia harped over Ukraine.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Chinas going to get fucked harder than Russia in Ukraine

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Because they only have so many years before everything goes to shit.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Ok but why did it decreased so much again in the last 10 years? Is this the power of His Excellency Son of Heaveans Glorious and Strong Nephritis Rod Chairman Winnie the Pooh?

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          1) The overall population was increasingly urbanized and this typically has a depressive effect on fertility

          2) the urban population has to work so much to afford what are culturally considered the minimums for a family (owning your house or condo) that it leaves them either never attaining that standard or attaining it far later in life than in prior generations.

          3) Legal and available birth control and abortion

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        The most hilarious thing about this is that the retirement age in China is 60 for men and 55 for women. And good luck changing that before pissing off Chinese boomers.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >If you want to be President of China, you need to be working on bringing Taiwan in
      >If you want to have special powers and exceptions from term limits, you better make it look like you're really going to do it
      >If you set all these expectations and then try to back down, you better believe that you will immediately lose all of your support
      The sad thing is that if China had just used the last 40 years to democratise then Tiawan would probably have joined voluntarily. Instead, China will spend the next 10 years screaming that they're about to invade and either bankrupt themselves in the process or else pull the trigger and lose horribly.

  29. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >massive amphibious assault into taiwan
    >by a country with nearly no military experience
    It'll be a slaughter similar to the battle of Saisu, won't it?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      That would be truly kino, bodies covering the strait like bleeding wontons

  30. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Xi isn't going to make it to 2027, a lot of higher ups are in the CCP are upset with him. The moment Li Kequing started talking shit about him with no repercussions it was over.

  31. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    China has raw numbers and logistics on their side. USA has a benefit of Russia being incompetent so the Atlantic only needs a piecemeal force with a bit of NATO allies actually pulling their weight.

    I think a defense of Taiwan would require outspending China 3 or 5 to 1, just for a prolonged stalemate. I think in a hypothetical, closed system scenario of just the two powers it would ultimately be a pyrrhic victory in China's favor.

    But that ignores the global response, allies in SEA, etc. USA could if necessary massively ramp up oil production and eat the cost. Hell we could transition back to rare earths refining and build all our own electronics in a long enough war.
    So long as nobody pushes the nuke button a Taiwan invasion would be stalemated and would socially and politically destroy the CCP while assfucking the Chinese economically.

    Given Taiwan's wanting to seriously increase their defense, Japan is dusting off the ol brass, Australia just wants an excuse to fuck anyone, and a dozen other serious players able to throw some economic, political, and military weight,
    A Chinese invasion is suicide.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      110 mile body of water separating Taiwan from mainland.
      The entire island is a mixture of urban areas and dense forests interspersed between five different mountain ranges.
      Island is roughly the size of Switzerland but with three times the population density.
      Coastal geography limits number of beaches that need to be defended.
      Twenty-three million inhabitants.
      Two hundred thousand active military personnel.
      Three hundred thousand first-wave reservists.
      Two million second-line reservists.
      The War in Ukraine proves how effective even a limited number of MANPADS, ATGMs, and anti-shipping missiles can be in the hands of motivated defenders.
      >I think a defense of Taiwan would require outspending China 3 or 5 to 1
      Retard.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        >The War in Ukraine proves how effective even a limited number of MANPADS, ATGMs, and anti-shipping missiles can be in the hands of motivated defenders.
        Yes but also shows how effective SRBM and ARM can be.

        Taiwan is unconquerable if they build enough mountain bunkers, enough to house 10% of their population and all of their military.

        Ukraine had YEARS to build underground tunnels and bunkers for Ukraine, but they never did. They should have had a tunnel from Kyiv, to Dniro, the Odessa, Kherson, and outside Donetsk, Mauripol, their nuclear power stations, etc. They should have had lots of small exits just large enough to send out BUKs and made themselves unassailable.

        Afaik, Taiwan only has a single mountain bunker. That's not enough.

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        I have no faith whatsoever in their ground forces beyond deterring the amphibious fleet. Their conscripts have less than six months of "training.". Not to mention that island is loaded to the gills with PRC spies, saboteurs and regular people with PRC sympathies. If the PLA establishes a beachhead, its over. The Chinese will not have a manpower problem, the Chinese will not have to deal with defense in depth, the Chinese *will* be mobilized, nothing will be held back because they know what's at stake. I can believe the Taiwanese will put a valiant effort, especially in the mountainside but this isn't Afghanistan or Ukraine, its a fucking island.

        Call me Chang or a Chinese shill but that's the long and short of it. Established beachhead leads to a slow and grinding defeat and oppressive occupation.

        The saving grace for Taiwan is their airforce and the scale of the maritime operation. If they are capable of surviving a contested airspace AND consistently interdicting the amphibious forces. If the PLA & PLAN have a "40 mile convoy" moment, which isn't unbelievable because this would be the largest land, sea and air invasion in human history, Taiwanese air assets can land a decisive blow. Then and only then they may have a *chance* until America and her allies arrive.

  32. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    So knowing the Chinese, they're either thinking they're ready to do it now, or knows they won't be ready till 2045 at best

  33. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    My thoughts is that if china was smart, they'd pull an "Iserlohn"

    As in, not attack Taiwan directly, but sneak attack a target no one expects in the area and close around Taiwan

    Question is, who will they attack?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Russia if they have any brains. Lots of resources in Siberia and no real justification for the US or its allies to get involved. The only risk is nukes but they might not work anyway.

  34. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy a schizo thread

  35. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    copium: the thread

  36. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    WISH
    A bro
    WOULD

  37. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    So why can't Taiwan get nukes Israeli style by then and ensure their safety for all eternity?

  38. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Taiwan should've declared independence back in '71, when they lost their UNSC seat to the gommies.
    Unfortunately, they got cucked by Nixon, who was trying to reopen relations between the US and the ChiComs.

  39. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it always wojaks with the troll farms?

  40. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >we will invade taiwan!
    >eventually!

  41. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >~~*David Cohen*~~
    Seems trustworthy. I'm sure anything he says is factual.

  42. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    People named "Cohen" aren't American, so always assume the things they are saying are against your interests. Because they are.

  43. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    The path of least resistance is to just get a political regime installed in Taiwan that is more amenable to reunification or a functional reunification.

  44. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >CIA directer ~~*david cohen*~~
    Why am I not surprised.

  45. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Five years of restructuring and billions in research and planning from one of the largest armies on the planet to take a tiny island literally next door.

    I can't wait to see the tens of thousands of Chinese soldiers dying from sheer ineptitude alone

  46. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    ((Cohen))

  47. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    This board is filled with the most braindead amerishart shills

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      It is, but luckily the wumaos are every bit their equal when it comes to retardation.

  48. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    With the CCP as it is right now? No. 50% of the money allocated would get siphoned by corruption before it paid for anything.

    You would have to open the economy and increase it by numbers they still havent seen , and probably wont see again because covid.

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