Can someone explain to me the missile defense early warning system that the Kamov ka-50 and ka-52s have?
From what a friend tells me they have a large system thats dedicated to tracking radio and IR missiles and what direction they are coming from
How does this work? And why do the Russians put so much crazy tech in their helicopters compared to other countries?
>How does this work?
it dont
Prewar this dumb question thread would have been a prime suspect for being an Armatard thread and to be fair now it's not much better.
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Nobody mentioned anything about arma you dumb moron
>newfag or ARMATArd detected
NTA, I missed out on armatard. Thanks for finally clearing up whether it's ARMAtard or ARMATArd
>NTA, I missed out on armatard.
Lucky you.
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>*shakes uncontrollably out of fear that Stingers might be in the area*
>>*shakes uncontrollably out of fear that Stingers might be in the area*
True Statement.
>STINGERS COULD BE HERE He thought,
No.
Sure.
No.
They do have some more modernised tech than the average Russian shit.
They're literally just sensors that detect projectiles (badly) and basic bitch wide band light sensors that detect lasers aimed at the vehicle. These are attached to dazzlers that effectively blind an incoming missile. A strong enough burning Lazer and you can cause short or long term burn out of most front sensors on missiles so it can work.
Some real early reports have the IR blinders blinding stingers, claims that infantry had to use two at once to guarantee to bypass the
defence system and flares, was something mentioned by volunteers relatively early on.
The problem is, the sensors aren't always great, and the dazzlers don't always work, or aren't even on the helicopter in the first place. The two videos of shootdowns using fucking Lazer guided ATGMs makes me wonder what they actually have as defenses really
Being clear though, the sensors can move, but they're mostly front and rear aspect focused during normal operations.
>sensors can move, but they're mostly front and rear aspect focused
Please say it's not true... almost like those tanks that only shoot or only drive.
> Building top heli
> Sensors have 45 degree fov
> Add 4 more lightweight semiconductor chip sensor or heavy, failure prone mechanical system
> MOTOR BE POWERFUL COMRADE, MAKE HELI STRONKER
Most likely this. Passive system is probably shit and barely manages to make Christmas tree on your console before you blow up. Active system disabled most of time due to weird interference with other sensors / comms / targeting systems or in fear of being detected.
Thanks for explaining.
It is quite interesting that with those crappy sensors and lasers they can still defend against a stinger missile which can fly at speeds above mach 2.
With better and newer technology coming out every year, on top of the very helpful ejection system the ka-5x series has, those helicopters could make as a very powerful weapon.
As well as the ka-5x series of helicopters were designed in the 80s, a newer variant would be neat to see.
Jesus fucking Christ, that reads like it's written by someone literally working at the Russian Internet Research Agency.
>With better and newer technology coming out every year
not in russia
Nah, it's all bargain basement shit.
Modern missiles are able to just use sensors behind various filters to stop blinding lmao. It's not even hard to Shrek these fuckers out the sky.
yeah
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>With better and newer technology coming out every year, on top of the very helpful ejection system the ka-5x series has, those helicopters could make as a very powerful weapon.
>As well as the ka-5x series of helicopters were designed in the 80s, a newer variant would be neat to see.
They worked with an Israeli company to propose a NATOized version for export to Turkey back in the 2000s
>making a serious reply to an armatard thread
I really wonder if there are any of these actually left in working condition at this point in the war?
boyyyy this smells like a fucking troll thread but
>Can someone explain to me the missile defense early warning system that the Kamov ka-50 and ka-52s have?
https://theaviationist.com/2020/07/08/lets-talk-about-the-vitebsk-l370-the-russian-new-generation-directional-ir-countermeasure-dircm-system/
>And why do the Russians put so much crazy tech in their helicopters compared to other countries?
pretending to be retarded?
Nope, genuinely serious and curious. Friend of mine said he knew they work and had the system
Never told me how "functional" it was
Now i feel like a dumbass
The factual answer is:
Russia was lagging behind in helicopter and aircraft self protection systems for a long time.
The Operations in Georgia and Syria showed a lack of modern protection against MANPADS.
Began to modernized and SHOW OFF these new systems notably Vitebsk L370.
Then Ukraine happened and we now get to question the capability of these systems, because of the Orgy of Evidence that Russian rotary wing assets get destroyed A LOT by MANPADS.
There are videos from Ukraine that shows the system working. Webm related shows that one of the helicopters deployed flares less than half of a second after MANPAD launch.
You mean it was deploying flares even before the launch, right? PUCCIAN WUNDERWAFFE SYSTEMS SEES THE FUTURE.
MANPAD launches
Vitebsk system detects Missile
Flares launch and now we have this photo
All happened within half a second
Is a pilots reaction time this fast?
Could be, if the pilot is 100% focused and looking in a right direction.
Average human reaction time is inbetween 150-350ms
Sheeeeeeeeeeit
Go frame-by-frame and that's clearly not true.
those lads needed VIRTUASTINGER training. SAD!
Shoot the side or rear not the front (smaller thermal signature)
Sweet video
Here is another one, the automatic voice said: MISSILE DETECTED - STINGER.
With the proliferation of DIRCM systems Bongs once again proved that there is a method in this SACLOSS MANPAD madness.
>the automatic voice said: MISSILE DETECTED - STINGER.
Lmao
it said "attack from the front - stinger"
has anyone geolocate this?
filename
>vyshgorod_kyiv_oblast
derp, thanks
Infrared sensors that pick up the heat from a missile launch.
moron
I keep hearing and reading about how these things are the chad of MANPADS but why exactly? Can someone explain it in non-MANPAD autist terms?
The helicopter knows where the missile is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
The system is ok for long and mid range average velocity SAMs.
They can drop in altitude and hope to dodge it with enough warning time.
For manpads it's useless, not enough time to react, maybe frantically fire flares but even those aren't that effective against newer manpads. They should work against old stingers.
Heliborne DIRCM systems look for the big old thermal signature of the MANPADS motors (booster and sustainer) and help the aircrew pucker their rectums as the chaff auto-dispenses. No guarantees that they'll detect the launch or effectively defend against them but they're an aide to the MK1 Eyeball of looking for the trail that spells out instant_loss_2koma.jpg for the aircrew. Would doubt the claimed effectiveness of Russian systems and suspect the Ukrainians would have figured out DIRCM systems work on the thermal signature so they'd probably launch from treelines and shit to cover up some of the IR signature from the launch.
>And why do the Russians put so much crazy tech in their helicopters compared to other countries?
Because they were trying to build stuff that could fight Americans, a supremely sophisticated foe.
Fun fact: Ka-52 pilots usually turn the LWR off because it would go off randomly all the time.
This allowed the Stugna crews to just blast TWO Kamovs undetected.
The takeaway is: when Russian MoD claims that system X does Y, always factor in the fact that said system is operated by vatniks, and always assume that it works one time in four.
This is usually the case with russian aircraft RWR, i haven't heard such story specifically about Ka-52 but given the track record of russian warning systems failing and constantly giving off false alarms it wouldn't be surprising.
They lost 25% of them
Also why is russia using ka 52 more than mi 28/24
I think they like the TV guided ATGMs for longer range work. There were a lot of vids of them hitting crossings over some river in Mykolaiv before the Russians withdrew across the Dnipro.
I can't wait for new dual mode passive sensors combining IR and visual spectrum detectors running through targeting software to have a completely passive MANPAD.
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I remember somewhere in March 22, I've seen vidéo from ka52 pilot pov, where you can hear mws constantly notified pilot about type of incoming attacks and directions. Iirc something like "ataka sprava stinger". You can find it on YouTube probably.