>can shoot a 400gr .45-70 bullet at 3000 fps

>can shoot a 400gr .45-70 bullet at 3000 fps
Oh dear God I'm in love. Why is .460 Weatherby so unpopular when it's so good? Could be a poor man's .50 BMG with how cheap it is to reload and would have even more spectacular results at close range.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Belted

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >belted

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For your pleasure

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've only seen the round in a mark 5. The recoil is worse than a 50. It turns you stupid for a minute

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More power =/= better
    I love the Weatherby cartridges, but they're specialty rounds and there's a reason they are not very popular.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With high-end drawn brass and hand loading you can get .700 nitro express to throw a 1000 grain bullet at ~2700fps.

    Though normal factory loads are ~2000fps and if you use lathe-turned brass instead of drawn brass you'll blow out your cartridge case if you go too far beyond ~2200fps.

    Anecdotally Kentucky ballistics has found .416 Rigby will penetrate almost anything they shoot with it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >With high-end drawn brass and hand loading you can get .700 nitro express to throw a 1000 grain bullet at ~2700fps.
      I've heard this mentioned but never in detail do you have any article or blog post about this I can look at?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure about any real sources, I just know from hand loading friends that lathe-turned brass doesn't expand as well and will more easily blow out the sides when fired instead of expanding. It's not a problem with lower powder loads, but once you start going for the big loads you need drawn brass since it's far better at expanding instead of blowing out.

        These problems really only regularly occur with big game rounds like these, you won't generally have issues with .308 or .223 unless you tried going for an extreme powder load something like +P+++

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I had this happen with my 577 cases. The machined ones don't effectively obturate the chamber when fired. Even with full service charge and well fitted projectile.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thats a shame, I'd love some information on the terminal effects of a 1000 grain slug moving at that speed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/pivtQUV.jpg

      >I want to shoot .45-70 JHPs that grenade themselves at 3k FPS
      Alright, but that makes you one of us weirdos, just like liquid nitrogen overclockers. Which is fine particularly on PrepHole, normal people wouldn't ever come here and if they did they wouldn't stay. But it also shouldn't be any mystery to you why it's ultra niche as fuck. Which again is fine, lots of us are into things that are niche and have niche weird builds even for standard cartridges. Pic related is my 308 gun. I EDC a Maxim 9 in a shoulder holster I made myself. These are weird people choices.

      >Cases are expensive but handloads can be made for the price of factory .500 S&W.
      Which is almost 200cpr. I've seen basic bitch off the shelf 50bmg for near that in the last 6 months. And most people don't reload either which again is to your question of "why is this so unpopular". If the answer is "reloading is required" well you are right off the radar of 95% of the market.

      Of course one of the core joys of reloading is precisely that you no longer really need to care what the market wants, you can do whatever purely for component costs. You don't save money reloading popular stuff factoring in time/equipment. You get to do unpopular stuff and really tune your loads exactly and then can do it repeatably. So unironically do what you find fun. I'm really interested in .375 raptor for example, I'm exploring practically the opposite of you, trying to figure out the best performing best suppressing subsonics I can. I wish it would take off as well and I'm kind of bummed the inferior (imo) 8.6bo has more steam instead. Such is life though. Do post vids of your fun explosions!

      >Imma be real. I'm not so delusional to think I'm going to Africa to hunt anything. OP and I are talking about having a peak-of-collection hilariously powerful shoulder fired gun. Totally a range toy, not a practical implement of utility. The goal IS the recoil and pushing your absolute limits of tolerance.
      Shouldnt you be after some 12GFH or 600 Overkill +P shit then? I'm sure those top out higher than just about anything you can shoulder fire reliably.

      Some rando announced a long-recoil AR10 at SHOT this year, actually

      Straight-wall .50BMG/12 Gauge From Hell in an autoloader with a double-stack/double-feed mag
      Or, better yet; 10 Gauge From Hell
      I'll take my prize, thanks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When will they come out with proper barrel busting +p+ smokeless rounds for the AAbore punt gun that you cannot use in any existing firearm. I've been waiting a hundred years dammit.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >could be a poor man's .50 BMG
    What do you think a poor man would do with .50 BMG?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Take out the engine block of a rich man's vehicle. The barrier to entry for .50 bmg is the rifle, the ammo isn't actually that expensive.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Serbu single shot runs under $2k, but otherwise yea they're fairly pricey for anything nicer that is mag fed.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My dreamgun for a long time was the $17500 gm6 lol. Maybe someday.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            by all accounts, the lynx is shit anyway
            For that same money i'd take a .338NM/.338LM bolty from one of the regulars (Accuracy International/Savage/Barrett/etc), nice optics, and a few hundred rounds of ammo or even the hand-loading equipment i'd need to start hand-loading .338NM/LM.

            Why settle for barely being able to afford a .50BMG when you could get a comfy .338 precision rifle, fancy highend optics, AND plenty of ammo to play with for the same price tag?
            Is .50BMG REALLY that much "better" or fun than .338?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Back when I opted to pass on a .338 it was because the ammo was substantially more expensive than .50bmg and the only rifles worth a shit at the time were still a minimum of $4500. If I were actually concerned with true long range precision.338 would be too 5 for sure, but it's still not a .50 and definitely not a M82 which is half the fun.

              I personally abandoned the idea after deeply considering how few opportunities I would actually have to shoot beyond 600 yards in my area.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds similar to my progression. Northern dense woods, I just would basically never have the opportunity to use it. And also it's silly in my position to buy that sort of thing without having every other goodie first, like nice NVG etc. But a man can dream.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So you have a .460 Weatherby, right OP?
    Personally I think 458 WM is more practical for most people. More guns come around chambered in it and you have a better chance of downloading it to a level you can share with people who aren't recoil inclined.
    My brass is in the mail. The gun is going to be a winchester model 70 safari express.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .416 Rem Mag shoots flatter and is more versatile without compromising on colossal game like elephant

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imma be real. I'm not so delusional to think I'm going to Africa to hunt anything. OP and I are talking about having a peak-of-collection hilariously powerful shoulder fired gun. Totally a range toy, not a practical implement of utility. The goal IS the recoil and pushing your absolute limits of tolerance.

        What's the biggest rifle you own right now? Be honest.

        Not him, but 300WM and 12 ga.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The goal IS the recoil and pushing your absolute limits of tolerance.
          NTA but if that's what you want and you reload then by all means go for it and post pictures of your furious beast. I mean, you know what you're after and aren't some retard who thinks he's a safari hunter you just want to have a (literal) blast, full support.

          by all accounts, the lynx is shit anyway
          For that same money i'd take a .338NM/.338LM bolty from one of the regulars (Accuracy International/Savage/Barrett/etc), nice optics, and a few hundred rounds of ammo or even the hand-loading equipment i'd need to start hand-loading .338NM/LM.

          Why settle for barely being able to afford a .50BMG when you could get a comfy .338 precision rifle, fancy highend optics, AND plenty of ammo to play with for the same price tag?
          Is .50BMG REALLY that much "better" or fun than .338?

          >by all accounts, the lynx is shit anyway
          Eh, one or two PrepHoleommandos have them and posted last year, said they loved 'em, their guilty pleasure favorite range gun. Lynx definitely doesn't have the sub-moa accuracy at 1000yd+ you could get for that kind of money with other guns. 50bmg has worse BC than 416 or 338. But they said it's a pleasure to shoot and something wild about just being able to fire 50bmg rapid while standing. So I guess similar to what above anon is after, admittedly at ludicrously more cost. For me ultimately part of the issue is that it's not quite perfectly what I'd want because I'm a picky autist, and for that kind of money I wouldn't want to compromise. So not a great value but shit if it isn't cool.

          >Is .50BMG REALLY that much "better" or fun than .338?
          But anon how am I going to use the precision 338 for home defense or dealing with those dastardly squirrels going after my bird see vs whipping the 50bmg bullpup out of my pants and letting rip huh!?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But they said it's a pleasure to shoot and something wild about just being able to fire 50bmg rapid while standing.
            Not to mention the way the barrel pops out of the storage position with an intrinsically staisfying ka-chunk sound

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Recoiling operation is just neat in general, like having a handheld naval gun or something. I feel like someone could take it as inspiration and do something in a still beefy but lighter-ish round. Ie, 50bmg is as much as ~10.3 lbfs recoil, while .416 is ~5.7 and .338lm just 3.63. Both the latter would normally still be considered way too much recoil to run around and stand shooting with, but they're 1/2 to 1/3 50BMG. So a lynx inspired design using them could be somewhat lighter while being flat out pleasant to shoot, and let you do silly stuff with big rounds. While I'm asking for the impossible
              >use a bunch of titanium or something to shave off 25% weight
              >use that to have it be integral suppressed (I want it to handle suppressor retracting into the gun too!)
              >figure out how to compensate for a few degrees of shooter movement during the barrel recoil interval so it can do submoa
              I'm sure they'd sell... dozens!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some rando announced a long-recoil AR10 at SHOT this year, actually

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                $4500+ I guess isn't horrible compared to Lynx pricing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks anon, that's neat. But I'm sorry I'm physically incapable of buying it if it's not at least 33cal and also a bullpup for maximum meme please understand 🙁

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > integral suppressed
                That shits has been on my mind. No cap, I been thinking about since they released that
                >9mm
                16” pcc Baffleless suppressor. Goes with the whole “handheld navel gun” theme too.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Imma be real. I'm not so delusional to think I'm going to Africa to hunt anything. OP and I are talking about having a peak-of-collection hilariously powerful shoulder fired gun. Totally a range toy, not a practical implement of utility. The goal IS the recoil and pushing your absolute limits of tolerance.
          Shouldnt you be after some 12GFH or 600 Overkill +P shit then? I'm sure those top out higher than just about anything you can shoulder fire reliably.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The goal IS the recoil and pushing your absolute limits of tolerance.
          Ok, so go ahead and proper turkey load in a 535 bantam, and break action. Pulling the weight off of a gun even In a "normal" cartridge will clear your head a bit. I'm not recoil shy at all, but if I'm wasting that much money on dumb shit it's gonna be a 40mm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why is .460 Weatherby so unpopular when it's so good?
      It's not. Requires an oversized magnum action, the case is proprietary to Weatherby which makes the brass expensive, the recoil is such that you NEED a bull barrel, muzzle brake, or both, and the velocity of the cartridge shoots most .458 bullets so fast that they fragment inside of game. It's in no way practical.

      >.458 WM is more practical
      Correct. Even then, there is nothing on the American content that requires anywhere near this much power, but it's fucking cool.
      >Safari Express
      Weigh it when you get it, please. Winchester lists all rifles of the same line with the same weight despite the fact that they use the same barrel profile, so there's no way the .375 weighs as much as the .458. Regardless, excellent choice.

      .416 Rem Mag shoots flatter and is more versatile without compromising on colossal game like elephant

      >.416 Remington is even more practical
      .416's in general are slept on. They are the best choice for dangerous game heavy Safaris, yet still shoot flat enough to take plains game at 250+ yards without much issue. But again, nothing in the Americas requires this much power, so .375's just make more sense. .300 and .338 magnums arguably make even more sense, but .375's are about as big as you can get without compromising trajectory, subjecting oneself to punishing recoil, or requiring a stupidly heavy/muzzle brake'd rifle.

      Imma be real. I'm not so delusional to think I'm going to Africa to hunt anything. OP and I are talking about having a peak-of-collection hilariously powerful shoulder fired gun. Totally a range toy, not a practical implement of utility. The goal IS the recoil and pushing your absolute limits of tolerance.
      [...]
      Not him, but 300WM and 12 ga.

      >Fuck practicality
      Anon, just once, before you die, you must get an 1886 Winchester converted to .50-110. 6000+ ft/lbs is possible.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the case is proprietary to Weatherby which makes the brass expensive
        Small nitpick, the thing is like 65 years old, any patents expired forever ago. If someone else wanted to make it they could.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's more the fact that drawn brass at that size is fairly expensive to produce, lathe-turned brass is quite a bit cheaper.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fair, I don't think that's "proprietary" though, there is some economic word for when something is theoretically/legally open to all but not worth it for anyone to challenge the incumbents that I forget, but more that kind of situation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good effort post.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unpopular? It was a literal meme as "the world's most powerful rifle cartridge" for decades. Only reason you wouldn't have heard of it is if your gun knowledge came from movies or video games exclusively, because the gun press has been writing about that cartridge for a long ass time.
    Anyway, read more about it and one of the other things it's infamous for is it's crazy high recoil, which is undoubtedly why it's not very popular. Look at the used market, these huge bores like .458 win are disproportionately cheap, just like huge meme revolvers a lot of people buy them, then regret it after shooting a handful of cartridges, then you see the gun for sale with a bunch of ammo.

    The .30-.378 Weatherby is the much more interesting round which you probably haven't heard of either.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is .460 Weatherby so unpopular when it's so good
    Because it's not actually good? Why the fuck would anyone want it? Crazy high recoil, like 5 fucking times 30-06, for what? If you're into ultra long range, something modern like .416 Barrett has much better BC, and the cost of reaching out to 1000-2000yd is high no matter what you're doing. 300wm will hunt anything in most of the world at ranges a lot farther then almost anyone should be ethically hunting while still being reasonably priced, available, good gun selection and being reasonable to handle. 308 will hunt anything at more reasonable range which is still longer then most people are capable of (or depending on where you live even have a safe shot at, in a lot of east coast dense woods you basically never have safe shots of even 300yd let alone 400-500. <200yd is where like 99% of hunting is done, if you can't get to within three to six hundred feet (and usually a lot less) of a dumb animal in the woods the problem is you.

    It was one of the many "LE AFRICAN DANGEROUS GAME (you will never hunt and people hunted fine for a century before this)" cartridges made when that was cool and mainly let people brag about "the most powerful round!" with something they'd buy, shoot once and then never shoot again. Also good free advertising in the gun rags of the day, it got lots of coverage.

    Modern equivalent is like those folks who use liquid nitrogen to overclock their systems to 5-6GHz or whatever they're up to now. Which on the one hand is kind of neat, but
    >why is liquid nitrogen overclocking so unpopular when it's so good
    would be an odd question.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't want to hunt big game, or shoot long range. I want to shoot .45-70 JHPs that grenade themselves at 3k FPS. Blowing up produce is the most common use of firearms in the US outside of paper shooting and .460 Weatherby Mag does that better than anything available while only costing $1.50 a round for reloads. It's a powerful gun that fires wide bullets and that's one of the most entertaining things you can have at only $3k.

      >$90 a box
      >only available in one rifle
      >will break your shoulder

      https://i.imgur.com/J56baUY.jpg

      >$90 a box
      Oh my sweat summer child.

      Yeah, you HAVE to reload it. Cases are expensive but handloads can be made for the price of factory .500 S&W.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I want to shoot .45-70 JHPs that grenade themselves at 3k FPS
        Alright, but that makes you one of us weirdos, just like liquid nitrogen overclockers. Which is fine particularly on PrepHole, normal people wouldn't ever come here and if they did they wouldn't stay. But it also shouldn't be any mystery to you why it's ultra niche as fuck. Which again is fine, lots of us are into things that are niche and have niche weird builds even for standard cartridges. Pic related is my 308 gun. I EDC a Maxim 9 in a shoulder holster I made myself. These are weird people choices.

        >Cases are expensive but handloads can be made for the price of factory .500 S&W.
        Which is almost 200cpr. I've seen basic bitch off the shelf 50bmg for near that in the last 6 months. And most people don't reload either which again is to your question of "why is this so unpopular". If the answer is "reloading is required" well you are right off the radar of 95% of the market.

        Of course one of the core joys of reloading is precisely that you no longer really need to care what the market wants, you can do whatever purely for component costs. You don't save money reloading popular stuff factoring in time/equipment. You get to do unpopular stuff and really tune your loads exactly and then can do it repeatably. So unironically do what you find fun. I'm really interested in .375 raptor for example, I'm exploring practically the opposite of you, trying to figure out the best performing best suppressing subsonics I can. I wish it would take off as well and I'm kind of bummed the inferior (imo) 8.6bo has more steam instead. Such is life though. Do post vids of your fun explosions!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >$1.50 a round for reloads.
        That's not really realistic. Your cases aren't going to last long enough to get to those values with bullets that will survive to the velocities you want.
        I've been down this road and I chose 458 WM because it's more realistic in terms of case acquisition. If it isn't enough you can get the gun rechambered to 458 Lott.
        I'd think really carefully about it OP.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know what OP, I admire your enthusiasm. I probably wouldn't do it, but that's just me. Also, for just getting comfortable with it, consider handloading some cheap, lighter hardcasts on top of a case full of Trail Boss.

        >t. owner of granddad's German-made Mark V 300 Weatherby Magnum

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$90 a box
    >only available in one rifle
    >will break your shoulder

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$90 a box
      Oh my sweat summer child.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Haha well damn it was $90 when I worked at the gun store back in 2019 that’s fucking awful

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair the one rifle is good. Weatherby makes nice rifles

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's cool and all but .300wby is all you really need

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TFW banned in Canuckistan

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the biggest rifle you own right now? Be honest.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eats your barrel
    nothin personnel kid

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the 140gr arx can be loaded to 2800 fps in 458 socom, how fast do you suppose they could be pushed with the weatherby

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >.460 Weatherby
    >poor mans anything...
    Yeah dude and if you can't afford an AR just get a shotgun from Holland & Holland.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indeed sir, nothing like a classic cheap old H&H when the boys are up for a bit of fox hunting!

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