They just want to force whatever they have now to stay, else fronts would completely collapse. More people is a nice bonus but by the spring they would run out of any offensive capable equipment. Also by that time Ukraine will recieve only more western equipment and fully train even more of their own personnel.
Only concern here is still nuclear weapons. They won't change the result of the war now anyway, but would make world shittier place to live in for sure.
Somewhere, in a barren desert or snake filled jungle, there is a strongman that gets butterflies in his stomach every time Putin advances his agenda on the back of nuclear weapons. To the 70IQ part of the world, nuclear weapons must look like a magic wand or a magic genie right now. Only if we could finally show the west who's boss like Mr. Putin... Only if we could wield the raw power of nuclear weapons... The west would see us as equals at the negotiation table and they would have to agree to our terms unconditionally... One day... That's a cat Putin has already let out of the bag. If he faces the tribunal or a knife in his ass or a rope around his balls, maybe slightly less so, but in the mind of a moron, he would be the one to do right after Putin.
I honestly doubt nukes would be used in an effort to preserve the oil fields, at least until the very last minute
I can guarantee you that if they see no other option, they will sooner nuke the oil fields so that way no one will have them, and given how moronic that plan is I can put money on the fact they'd be moronic enough to do it
Basically this. I’m assuming he’s bringing in 300k troops to help defend the land they’ve already taken. If Putin really does try to use them for another major offensive I’ll be shocked.
Even in the defense, Ukraine is going to just get them good and rattled with arty and DIY drone strikes while they probe around. They'll eventually find a nice soft squishy spot and ram it in again.
Everybody acts like defense is somehow simpler and easier than the assault. It isn't, its just different. You need iron will and discipline to be constantly vigilant. You need to be able to endure horrible, tedious, grueling conditions for long periods of time. Then you have to be able to stand your ground in the face of the enemy assault.
Defensive operations are NOT easier, and its a mistake to think untrained and poorly equipped troops being forced to conduct such operations against their will is a good idea.
Russia will likely cycle their seasoned volunteer troops to the rear echelon under the guise of giving them some R&R for the first time in almost 200 days, but irl they will be there to shoot the conscripts when they inevitably break and run.
Basically this. I’m assuming he’s bringing in 300k troops to help defend the land they’ve already taken. If Putin really does try to use them for another major offensive I’ll be shocked.
SBU's biggest problem right now is trying to get the partisans to stop giggling about the prospect long enough to finish laying out the plans to just absolutely fricking kill the entire next wave of reinforcements while they're still on the train and on trucks, yet again, but much much bigger this time.
Not at all. It will take three months to prepare them and they're losing now. Every month Ukraine is only going to get more powerful too, US leadlease is starting next month.
They spent months building up the 3rd army corp and it was instantly defeated when they rushed it to Kharkiv.
Yes, but russia has no infrastructure even for mobilisation of those.
If they had to start training from beginning, we would be looking a half-a-decade before there would be any legitimate force.
That's assuming they can get all the recruits needed to start with instead of having to run after people skipping conscription, somehow find all the weapons and equipment for them, and on top of that find the time to train them.
I think it's going to look more like the shit they've been doing until now.
I bet there will be a broken arm epidemics and other ways to skip conscription legally
i can't imagine how much more fricked up the russian economy can get between the sanctions, EU not buying gas, and most of the able-bodied young workers conscripted to die in a shitty war or just leaving the country altogether
>poll finds >when we have access to how they vote on giving Ukraine support
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00191.htm
Every single nay is from a Republican.
That 3 times as many republicans are against it as democrates....
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Does your moronic vatnik ass know anything about the American political system? Once the republicans win in November, they’ll start shilling for Ukraine too, but then the Dems will begin reeing about it as the Republicans did.
This is some counter cope, of course Russia fixing their manpower issue is going to increase the threat to Ukraine.
Maybe Russia is so corrupt they can't find 500,000 AKs but I seriously doubt it's THAT bad.
t. Ukraine supporter capable of independent thought
No...first you have to presume they even get the 300K men. You gotta remember Russia is the most corrupt shit hole in world. Imagine border guards at Uzbekistan and all the other 'Stans just racking up money from the draftees fleeing the country. Then what about the ones who just ignore the summons and stay home? Who are you going to send to bring these guys in? That also takes manpower and money. The police? They're just as corrupt and you can pay them off.
They're not going to get 300K, theres just no way. But lets be generous and say they 100K...which won't happen either. How are you going to supply and feed these people? They're doomed.
This is basically Putins hail mary to plug up the holes in the defense and pray they can make it to winter and take it from there
Russia is insanely corrupt and these guys that don't wanna fight can easily get away...and most of them will.
IMO they will draft 2m people as part of the "300k" and end up with something close to 300k. As for food and supplies, they likely expect them to loot it, it's how war was done for millenia and Russia has plenty of experiance.
Russian people have something like ~40 years old tradition of running away from voenkomats, it's not an easy job to catch unwilling russian and minor/major selfmutilation is an acceptable option for them to avoid service if everything else fails, it's been common even on less intense chechen/afghan wars. Russian government has insanely moronic habit to make decisions without giving detailed instructions on how to implement them, leaving local governers, who almost surely didn't see it coming, to figure it out for themselves, which always creates a complete chaos when russian government tries to do anything. Russian army degraded to such a state that it struggles to keep up logistics for the forces they have now, if you just throw 300k more man without unfricking everything for a while first, half of these men are guaranteed to be unequipped, untrained, confused and malnourished in a week, making them the same poor fricking cannonfodder infantry as donbabweans are.
There's just so many levels to this each of which russia can and probably would completely frick up that there's just no way in hell mobilization will turnout into anything meaningful for them.
More blood, more struggle, same results.
How does this fix Russia's manpower issues in the short term? Do you seriously think the real world is like a video game where the magic number going up is good?
If you take regular civilians, give them a weeks training on how to use a gun and point them at the frontline, they will die, they will run, they will surrender. They did something similar with the prisoners and most have already been killed. They will need months of gathering, training and equipping and it's as simple as that.
The Russian army doesn't have NCOs. Most of it's training core has been sent to the frontlines. It's struggling to even equip the force it has deployed now. Increased manpower will not solve it's primary failure, which is that they can't SEAD.
Russia is not under existential threat no matter how propagandists and shills frame it and the Russian public is very much aware of this. This is not the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union and extermination of it's people, they will not fight to the death for a cause they don't believe in, meanwhile Ukrainians see it that way and will.
Every military is more support than combat troops, you put these guys in trucks and defending the back lines. Why does everyone here act like they are going to be pushing the front?
Maybe I'm completely wrong, I was wrong at the start when I thought Russia would control the air by week 1 and take Kiev within a month. If I'm wong again I'll admit it and once again I'll be completely disappointed by Russias stupidity.
I hope they send them into the grinder so 50% surender first chance they get but ATM I still don't think Russia is THAT stupid.
>you put these guys in trucks and defending the back lines >trucks
You should look up BTG composition >back lines
You should look at Russian troop positioning >Maybe I'm completely wrong
You are
The entire reason Kharkiv shattered when Kupyansk was taken. Hell, the entire reason Kupyansk could be taken when Ukraine made it through the front line, is Russia's "back lines" are basically nonexistent. They had undefended artillery in their rear and lightly occupied towns. They had heavier guards at the supply junction at Kupyansk. That's fricking it.
They sent a fricking response unit out of BELGOROD to relieve Kupyansk as it was falling. That was their fricking backline for the fricking region. And the response unit surrendered and was captured en masse.
>Why does everyone here act like they are going to be pushing the front?
Well, not too long ago, the Russian front near Kharkiv collapsed. This was at least partly attributable to manpower shortages. Then the Russians sent the newly raised 3rd Army Corps forward to plug the hole, only for them to join the rout.
And now, like a week later, they just announced they need 300k more men.
Gee, anon, I wonder where there going to be sent.
most of the ukranian forces didnt have experience either btw, it goes both ways. At least russia got mandatory conscription so they go into the fray with more experience even if you like it or not. NATO training bootcamps only lasts 3 weeks btw.
Dude Ukraine transitioned from just a conscription system to a reservist system, with TDF being that Reserve pool.
In peace time people were reservists who were called up for training periods in the TDF
In war time the reason the TDF did so well is because those people actually did have a modicum of training. This is also why a lot of volunteers were flat out sent to basic TDF or turned away to go be put in the ad-hoc militias; TDF required you to already be a reservist, to already be trained.
Then after the Kyiv feint those guys who weren't busy actively are experienced, and have been pulled into the actual military, being reorganized, given a bit more training, then equipped and deployed while the conscripts were going through a longer regimen of training. The people put into TDF training take their place in the TDF units, the people in the Militia are probably now in TDF training, and so on.
Basically my point is that unlike russia the ukrianians had reservists who were already partially or fully trained to fill the gap while the conscripts get trained up.
>NATO training bootcamps only lasts 3 weeks btw.
US Army Basic Training lasts 10 weeks. Infantry and tank crewmen get another 12 weeks of specialized training after that.
>Not at all. It will take three months to prepare them and they're losing now.
Good news, they announced they will be shipped out after just 2 weeks of training
I guess the Wall Street Journal is now pushing Russian propaganda...You homosexuals are so brainwashed you can't even stop yourselves from screaming Russian propaganda anytime you see something that isn't positive about Ukraine.
Making ammo is easystreet. We do need to ramp up our production now that the security situation is getting worse but we have the resources to do so. And we still have moronic amount of ammo lying around.
>In recent weeks, the level of 155mm combat rounds in U.S. military storage have become “uncomfortably low,” one defense official said. The levels aren’t yet critical because the U.S. isn’t engaged in any major military conflict, the official added. “It is not at the level we would like to go into combat,” the defense official said.
>Defense and congressional officials familiar with the issue attribute the looming shortage to a number of factors. The Pentagon’s bureaucracy has been slow to provide new contracts to replenish its stocks and has been reluctant to share its long-term needs with industry.
They also attribute part of the problem to the lack of coordination between part of the Pentagon that works to quickly supply Ukraine with weapons and the bureaucracy responsible for buying equipment. “The contracting process is much slower than the drawdown, and there is just not a lot you can do about that,” one congressional staffer said.
Speaking on an earnings call July 19, Jim Taiclet, chief executive of Lockheed Martin Corp., said the Pentagon has yet to put the contracts in place or coordinate with industry to buy more supplies, a process that often takes two to three years.
The Defense Department needs to “shift gears” if it wants industry to prepare for more orders, he said. “And I can tell you the clutch isn’t engaged yet.”
Article isn't paywalled for me, here are the key quotes from the article. Obviously, we can easily ramp up ammo production if a legit war kicked off but as of now, I dunno where they're getting more ammo to supply Ukraine if we are already getting low as is.
You realize they said the same thing in 2011 right? Then 2014. Then 2016. Then now. Thats how the pentagon campaigns for new shit. "OH NO, WE ONLY HAVE MORE OF X THAN THE NEXT 11 COUNTRIES COMBINED INSTEAD OF 15, THE WORLD IS GONNA END (gimme money)"
Huh interesting. Hope the lazy fricks start pulling their fingers out.
The point remains is that US support has been piecemeal. Imagine if they sent 50 HIMARs instead of 15. I'd hope the Gremlin in the Kremlin's escalation means they're finally gonna start giving them tanks.
Barking of machine gun fire, does nothing to me now
Sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
More a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
Bodies fill the fields I see
The slaughter never ends
Back to the front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blind man
No. Escalation from Russia will lead to escalation from the west. Expect Russian conscripts with Mosin nagants to meet face to face with Abrams supported by f16.
>Expect Russian conscripts with Mosin nagants to meet face to face with Abrams supported by f16
nah they'll be picked off before they even cross the border by smart munitions. If they somehow survive to the front line, they'll die to thermal spotted artillery or drone attacks or just get shot in the dark by a country who isn't 80 years behind the current times.
If they're not just going to bum rush the recruits straight to Ukraine in a week dollars to donuts the Ukies manage to actually win the war before they show up
it's classic russian doublespeak, it's partial mobilization of those who are in the reserves or have recently exited the military but have training. in addition people who are already in the military will have their contracts extended indefinitely.
considering every russian male is supposed to be conscripted at 18, the pool of people who have "recently exited the military" is like 2-3 million people. considering the quality of russian conscripts, it's basically an activation of the selective service system.
Official claim is "25 millions" available reservists and they "only" mobilizing 300k of them. Supposedly those will be used to hold already occupied territory, not sent to the frontlines... except they didn't bother to mention that frontline currently moves backward.
https://lenta.ru/brief/2022/09/21/putin/ if you care to google translate.
This thread actually made me think it might accomplish something, which is what worries me. I hope lend-lease arrives soon enough to make an impact (I'm not a vatBlack person but I was hoping the Russians would collapse by Christmas):
>Commentators have suggested that the newly mobilised troops could take months to arrive. I think it might actually be quicker than that. I suspect that one of their main purposes will be to allow frontline troops to be rotated and rested for a while.
>You also don't need to be all that well trained to defend a position. Ukraine's territorial defence forces proved that last spring in the defence of Kyiv. Russia's soldiers are poorly trained anyway, so giving new ones a couple of weeks' basic training isn't much different.
>There is also a huge rear area - the occupation zone is the size of Portugal - where Ukrainian partisans and special forces can operate without much trouble. Again, you don't need to be well trained to man a roadblock or patrol a route.
>Russia's crappy logistics are likely due in part to a lack of personnel to do basic things like drive trucks and handle cargos (no palletisation, as
@TrentTelenko
and others have noted). Using contract soldiers to do this is a waste of resources.
tl;dr even if the conscriptniks have literally no equipment and no training they might still be able to drown the ukies as pure fodder, because even untrained losers can defend entrenched position and move ammo by hand and all that. The weight of numbers is what worries me.
>you don't need to be well trained to man a roadblock or patrol a route.
the cope is reaching hilarious proportions
it's going to be a slaughterhouse (and that's a good thing!)
This is an idiotic analysis for the following reasons:
1) The author says that the point of the reservists is to rotate troops in the winter until conditions thaw in the spring. This is idiotic. Winter is exactly the time to conduct offensive operations in that part of Ukraine because the raspubreastsa freezes and the temperatures are still relatively mild (~0*C). During Barbarossa large-scale operations persisted in this theater up until January and resumed in February.
2) TDF have combat experience in Donbass, reservists don't. TDF had operational surprise, Russia doesn't. TDF had modern equipment, reservists will be lucky at this rate to have one moist nugger per two men. TDF were also defending their homes and knew the terrain very well given that they lived there. Russkis are being dragged to a foreign place that they know nothing about.
3) lol
4) There are no logistics companies. The old Soviet military infrastructure envisioned conscriptniks as ground pounders, not in specialty roles like logistics. They had dedicated railway brigades for that reason.
>You also don't need to be all that well trained to defend a position. >no training >no motivation >no gear
we're about to see some next-level abandooning
This is an idiotic analysis for the following reasons:
1) The author says that the point of the reservists is to rotate troops in the winter until conditions thaw in the spring. This is idiotic. Winter is exactly the time to conduct offensive operations in that part of Ukraine because the raspubreastsa freezes and the temperatures are still relatively mild (~0*C). During Barbarossa large-scale operations persisted in this theater up until January and resumed in February.
2) TDF have combat experience in Donbass, reservists don't. TDF had operational surprise, Russia doesn't. TDF had modern equipment, reservists will be lucky at this rate to have one moist nugger per two men. TDF were also defending their homes and knew the terrain very well given that they lived there. Russkis are being dragged to a foreign place that they know nothing about.
3) lol
4) There are no logistics companies. The old Soviet military infrastructure envisioned conscriptniks as ground pounders, not in specialty roles like logistics. They had dedicated railway brigades for that reason.
It's not going to help. First of all, the Ukies are probably laughing because 300k is *less* than what they've already drawn up since their own mobilization. They went full mobilization five months ago, and have had time to train 5+ batches of conscripts, all properly armed with rifles, helmets, armor, radios and grenades. More and more tanks are on the way.
Meanwhile, the Russians are getting down to 7.62 rifles and T-62s.
It's looking bad and getting worse. There is no relief for the Russians. There are no new rifles, missiles or tanks coming. The weapon quality will continue to nosedive as they reach back further into cold storage.
How does Russia even intend to fight?
No, this isn't intended to shape the frontlines, it's a purported delay tactic. We've already gone over their utter and incredible lack of equipment and resources, and how marching troops across the border is just getting them slaughtered.
This imbecile still thinks winter will ravage Europe without Russian gas somehow, even though gas reserves for it are already at 90% and rising, and it's posed to be one of the warmest winters in recent history. Even at this point, he is still being fed misconstrued intel and he's too frickdumb to double check.
This is a frickup on the level of the invasion itself. Here's hoping Russians find their balls finally and give this moronic midget the Gaddafi special.
it can, instead of ukraine retaking its own territory it will allow ukraine to take snow nigerian territory, which historically belongs to them anyway.
I have a smart idea for russians: Just buy some drugs and let yourself get arrested by a cop for possession. Nobody wants a possible junkie in the military, you won't be sent to the camps for politicals and once you get out Putin might as well be lynched already.
I have a question about this mobilization, what does the title of "contractor" entail? Do these guys' families at least get a pension if they get smoked while serving abroad?
>Do these guys' families at least get a pension if they get smoked while serving abroad?
Only if the guy gets his corpse recovered and the command does not just throw it straight into 'russian ambulance' to save the paperwork and money. "Missing in Action", and the family gets labelled with 'Family of Deserter' and their benefits and housing confiscated.
>Can Russian mobilization actually turn the tide?
no. fwiw, ukraine demonstrated last night that they could wreck lipetsk, which is the rail hub south of moscow that supplies the entire fricking special operation from lyman to velyka oleksandrivka.
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#t:adv;m:tsd;d:7days;@39.7,52.6,12z
it feels quite a bit too spicy in the last 24h for it to be an accident, but then there seems to be no hype on social media, as well
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#t:adv;m:tsd;d:7days;@39.7,52.6,12z
it feels quite a bit too spicy in the last 24h for it to be an accident, but then there seems to be no hype on social media, as well
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It's still burning this morning and I've not yet seen anything about it.
rolling the clock back on that site using the "historical" function shows similar red splotches over the same areas even back to before the 2022 invasion, highly likely it is just exhaust smoke from the heavy industries surrounding the railyard
That's the NLMK steel mill. It's one of their largest steel producers. The whole plant is huge and its output is crucial for the Russian industry. We'd hear more if something were to happen over there.
>NUKES
Every thread... Even if the initial nuke didn't spur the world into action do you really think that won't set off a massive shit storm the moment even a little fallout reaches somewhere important?
No...first you have to presume they even get the 300K men. You gotta remember Russia is the most corrupt shit hole in world. Imagine border guards at Uzbekistan and all the other 'Stans just racking up money from the draftees fleeing the country. Then what about the ones who just ignore the summons and stay home? Who are you going to send to bring these guys in? That also takes manpower and money. The police? They're just as corrupt and you can pay them off.
They're not going to get 300K, theres just no way. But lets be generous and say they 100K...which won't happen either. How are you going to supply and feed these people? They're doomed.
This is basically Putins hail mary to plug up the holes in the defense and pray they can make it to winter and take it from there
It realistically isn't going to benefit the Russians that much when they don't have time to train that many soldiers and they don't have the logistics to supply all of them.
That and it means a ton of Russians go from shitposting here to getting drafted.
Because there are a million people "on your side" online who can't think that maybe Russia mobilizing is bad.
I hope you guys hold out but I'm not going to pretend this isn't bad news for you.
>mobilisation is a good thing
Would you rather a tank be used by an experienced soldier or by a conscript that's a complete idiot and doesn't want to be there. Mobilization will pull large volumes of Russian equipment to reservists that'll get themselves killed.
They have so many enlisted and PMCs already in country I wouldn't be surprised if the draft if just to hold the lines while the pros advance. This way draft casualties are while still getting the full benefit of the manpower.
>just to hold the lines while the pros advance
That requires the pros to take risk. The pros won't do that. The pros will stay safe and push the draftees in first. If the draftees get slaughtered then the pros know where to use artillery.
>Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us?
more targets to shoot
unqualified and untrained military personal
winter
friendly fire
chances are higher than these morons post their positions on social media
Are you doing your part for Dear Leader Zelensky? Perhaps share your rations and ammo with foreign fighters coming to help you guys out? Did you know that it is better for all Ukrainian men to fall in battle than for r*ssia take one more inch of ground? This fight is bigger than just you. It’s a fight for not just your, but OUR democracy. That’s why Ukraine must win. Good luck Ukraine anon
The frick is this bait? Much mental buddy?
It's either we win and I keep on being random worthless ukie or we lose and I become a russian, and God fricking forbid anyone to live even a day as moskal.
it's shit as our chances to die increase
on the other hand, it will cause more strain for russia, and if we don't frick up we can just see it getting balkanised and gone for good
>Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us?
Every Ivan and Dmitry dying on the front lines in poorly maintained, rusted out, old Soviet kit isn't back in Russia getting the old Soviet kit ready for war or making new kit.
Every Ivan or Dmitry dead on the front lines breaks the will of the guys fighting around him that much faster making routs faster and more likely and degrades the morale back home so reinforcements come in with shittier morale and Putin's that much closer to having nobody willing to fight for his ass.
More meat for the grinder is the best way to end this war. You could take back all your fricking territory and still be stuck in a forever war if you don't kill enough Russians. And NATO won't let you join while you're at war with Russia. Russia's still technically at war with Japan from WWII. Japan isn't killing Russians. You need Russians to kill. Putin's supplying. That's a good thing.
>Aren't you ever ashamed of your moronation?
I'm not wrong. Any scenario without peace is catastrophic. Hot war. Cross border artillery war. Even armistice. Russia will just violate it as soon as they feel like they've got the hardware, just like they did with Chechnya. Ukraine NEEDS to break Russia. They need dead Russians. That's the only way into NATO which is the only way to get permanent long term security.
Russia's gonna be forced to sink a frickton into rebuilding their military after this. It's gonna take several years, but you don't want them coming back to use it on Ukraine.
>2 weeks of training
Lmao >Two more weeks
At this rate you're gonna destroy Russia's ENTIRE tank reserve and the front will stall no matter how many millions they send to Ukraine.
Russia is going all in, and will pay in blood, and it will collapse.
it's a sign that russia is at the end of the road
trying to mobilize won't help russia militarily, but will increase the strain on their already overloaded logistics, cause more chaos, and speed up the collapse
real humans would have started a revolution by now, but maybe even russians will start protesting
It's just that they are disconnected from the reality of war, even if Ukraine is winning, I can't imagine the pain and suffering needed to achieve that, war is not fun, we can't forget that.
a soldier that is sub-par in terms of equipment, training and motivation doesn't just not contribute as much as a skilled, motivated solider, they more often than not degrade the combat performance of a force. the us learned this the hard war in vietnam with the things like project 100000 and it's part of why they've pushed so hard for a professional volunteer force ever since.
the total implosion of Russian morale will save more lives than untrained hands take away >Putin: Read my lips, "no new conscription"
some months later...
When zelensky goes on stage next he will have even better sob story for the west.
While russia pour in morons with no gear you are getting high tech. It will even out while putting massive strain on russian internal politics/climate
You're right. It is very bad news. Mostly because it means Putin is escalating his commitment to the war, meaning a peaceful resolution is fading even further into the distance. The war is not winding down its only going to get uglier, whether that means Russia zerg rushes to victory or ukraine stacks so many orc bodies that they literally can't continue. Its a
major lose-lose though more destruction, more death, for both sides.
The only positive is that this is a pretty clear indication that Ukraine is "winning". Depending on how you even define that...
it's bad for Russian logistics - on a modern battlefield, an uraaaaaaah charge mosin nagant armed conscript is next to worthless, but requires food, fuel, and ammo. Back when elite units like the VDV and the 1st guards tank army was alive I'd be more worried, but now, not so much. It's also an excuse for the west to escalate more equipment to Ukraine
I'm willing to turn the entire planet into a thermonuclear frickfest just to see her getting blasted into atoms. May Ukraine march all the way to Vladivostok to call Putin's bluff and teach those morons a lesson in humility.
>You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye >Who cheer when soldier lads march by, >Sneak home and pray you’ll never know >The hell where youth and laughter go.
I doubt it's going turn the tide in and of itself but I expect it will be a significant step towards addressing the manpower shortage they've suffered since the war began. They basically needed to do something like this to have a fighting chance and will probably need further waves of mobilization down the line.
They have so many enlisted and PMCs already in country I wouldn't be surprised if the draft if just to hold the lines while the pros advance. This way draft casualties are while still getting the full benefit of the manpower.
They should have done this the moment they had to retreat from Kiev
They could have even given all the conscripts 2 or 3 months training without the frontlines moving much, and then the new forces could have participated in the offensives on lychiansk and that other city
>Why can't they draft now, train them though winter and push in the spring?
The last time Russia mobilized 200,000 soldiers it took them three months. That was just mobilization, no training or anything like this, which is rumored to only take two weeks anyway.
Because back then Ukraine was still rebuilding it's own army and being trained on how to use these advanced weapon systems, those extra 300k troops could have made good progress
Bodies doesn't mean much when you have fully automatic guns and missiles. This isn't ww1 where a guy with a knife can take a position. Nato isn't going to run out of bullets.
>So what's the chance that Russian people would actually rise up?
0
The highest expression of dissent they'll display is fleeing from conscription officers
A few of them will hold blank pieces of paper in public and then get arrested having accomplished nothing of value
The genes of resistance, self determination and virtue, were cleansed in the gulags. A mix of keeping your head down, pretending to love your oppression even in the presence of friends and family, and falsely snitching on your neighbor quite literally became the Soviet domestic culture during the Stalin era.
You could not find a more cowardly, nihilistic, and subservient race than the post-soviet Russians.
>how could murdering all of our free thinkers ever backfire?
if I didn't know better I would think the USSR was one big science experiment to see how fricked up you could make a formerly proud people in one human lifetime
> USSR > formerly proud people in one human lifetime
One lifetime?
How about one millennium? > let's rule these frickers with, uh, any ideas? > a crazy monk? > love it! keep coming > a hemopheliac? > brilliant, more! > uh, a really tall dude > ok, stronger > the crazy monk has a XBOX HUEG wiener > good! > mix in a crazy ass brand of economics? > like what? > uh, that guy in austria has some fricked up ideas. > good! > and a string of neurotic, crazy, vindictive, murderous despots > write it up. This is gonna draw dimes.
do they have supplies for them tho?
how long until they run out of heavy machinery?
didn't their "proffesional" army lacked armor plates and other basic stuff?
isn't sending only infantry without support stupid?
Just a few days ago I warned you people that you had better lay off the bullshit about Russia not mobilizing. I warned you that if there WAS a mobilization then you'd look like fools.
And here we are.
Hey, you fricking trash, why aren't you prancing around declaring Putin can't mobilize? Didn't your e-celeb propaganda outlet explain that Russia couldn't mobilize because of severe population issues, lack of logistics to support them and so on? Hey where did you guys go? Is it not fun to signal about that anymore?
Or are you drawing up an apology for listening exclusively to a propaganda echo chamber? If so please take your time we aren't going anywhere.
Are you sure "they're lying" is the narrative you want to go with? Do you understand that if Zelensky or someone in the Pentagon or any other outside observer backs it up that you're just going to look like a fool?
>Are you sure "they're lying" is the narrative you want to go with?
Considering that Russia is spouting nothing BUT lies, why not? >muh appeal to authority
>WAS a mobilization then you'd look like fools
Russian mobilization is absolute Christmas. Imagine the videos we'll see in December. Anyone rational would have done this on day 2 or day 3. To mobilize now puts Russia in a terrible spot. The only conclusion is that Putin doesn't expect this to help but expects to take some political pressure off for a bit.
oh no, they're going to throw more people at the problem with their supply lines under missile fire that they cannot counter all while ukraine is slated to get even more gear
anyway...
I fricking said he would even though it was a dumb idea
I wanted him to do it
May the sharks come to the smell of blood in the water and tear this faux empire to shreds.
>Hey, you fricking trash, why aren't you prancing around declaring Putin can't mobilize? Didn't your e-celeb propaganda outlet explain that Russia couldn't mobilize because of severe population issues, lack of logistics to support them and so on? Hey where did you guys go? Is it not fun to signal about that anymore?
none of this has gone away and it's literally the beginning of the end for the russian army.
Yeah, as always the argument that Putin/Russia won't do something because it would be moronic fails due to the fact Putin and the Russia people are themselves moronic.
Probably not. We're going to see the frontline stabilize, and another 6 months of stalemate and ~100k dead 55k Russian-45k Ukrainian, and several times that wounded in similar proportion. The main factor is how much general inflation and self-inflicted sanctions are going to hurt Western Europe and change their appetite for continuing the war, instead of making Zelensky surrender. American elections really don't matter, since both parties want to bankroll and dump weapons on Ukraine.
If you expect anything other than an unsatisfying (unsatisfying to Ukraine because they're realistically losing more territory, unsatisfying to Russia because of the price of those miles) draw, you're some sort of shill - be it Russian, Ukrainian, or NATO. Nobody is going to be happy with the peace terms, and we're going to be questioning the wisdom of this whole ordeal.
I've never understood why people like you always come out of the woodwork when someone's getting attacked and talk about how the best way for the victim to stop the assault is to just lay over and give the attacker what they want.
Btw, it's not going to be a stalemate. The Russian forces around Kherson are going to get bombed into the fricking stone age the moment winter sets in and they can't move, and you're going to lose 15k+ troops there alone.
What on Earth are you talking about? Bombing them back to the stone age...with their 20 sorties a day? Against Russia's 200 sorties a day? Did Ukraine have a giant air fleet no one knew about until just now?
>Russia's 200 sorties a day
They're not still flying 200 sorties a day, anon. That estimate was made in early March and the last six months have not been kind to the Russian Air Force.
I've never understood why people like you always come out of the woodwork when someone's getting attacked and talk about how the best way for the victim to stop the assault is to just lay over and give the attacker what they want.
First of all, if Russia had gotten what they wanted, they would have had tanks in Maidan Square in March. Now, they can't hope for much more than a land bridge to Crimea. That's already a big L for Russia.
Second of all, obviously. A weaker nation often finds itself in the Melian dilemna where they can choose surrender with dignity, or total loss. A weaker party should take the offer to surrender with dignity on some of their own terms, because a protracted conflict does not favor them. Put another way, it's better to tap out than have your arm broken.
>A weaker nation often finds itself in the Melian dilemna where they can choose surrender with dignity, or total loss.
Strange that you focus on establishing a parallel with the Melians, but forget about establishing the maybe all too apt parallel with the Spartans... :^)
At an individual level, sure. I would even give the Ukrainians a pound for pound advantage; let's say they fight as well as 1.2-1.5 Russians. However, there are about 4x as many Russian fighting-age men. And the biggest successes have been where Ukraine has mustered a localized numerical advantage. With more troops in theater, these mismatches should be harder to create and Ukrainian territorial gains are likely to slow, if not reverse.
Counterpoint: Doubling/tripling the number of Russian fighters in country is doubling/tripling the ammo consumption.
While Ukraine gets more HIMARs online, while Ukraine shreds more Russian air defenses so their drones and aircraft can operate with impunity, while Ukraine STILL has vision on every single Russian ammo depot thanks to NATO intel.
Russia is ALREADY firing less than 1/8th the artillery they were initially when they switched to massed artillery as a strategy to keep the Ukrainians at bay because they're running out of ammo and can't stock replacements anywhere near the fricking front line cause it keeps getting blown up.
Putting more hands on more weapons in theater doesn't do you any good if you can't get those weapons ammo any faster. It actually puts Russian positions at risk of burning through their own stocks by accident and being forced to fall back. That would be catastrophic because massed artillery is their front line strategy.
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> Doubling/tripling the number of Russian fighters in country is doubling/tripling the ammo consumption.
False.
Your proposition is only true if each new Russian body is spaced apart.
HIMAR doesn't care if one Russian or 5 russians or 10 russians are standing in the blast radius. > they all 'asplode
Your point about Russian running out of consumables is spot on. And it's a huge take away. > Arsenal of Democracy is no more > stockpile your shit now > stack it deep > stack more > logistics matter > indigenous production matters
just imagine the BRUTAL VOGGINGS when the conscripts start pouring in. Bombing donbabweans already looked a bit like tormenting homeless people, I hope it gets much worse.
May the ukie drone operator zoomers never run out of grenades
No, because they didn't even fully commit. They're still half-assing it, which means more losses, less equipment, and a population which will now feel the direct effects of the war (and enough are still home to begin voicing and showing their dissatisfaction. Sure, a few can be Gulag'd, but threaten everyone with the firing line or prison...unrest begins to build.)
the announced 300k reservists are just to plug the gap and prevent further ukrainian advances and humiliations.
it will take atleast a few months until they are able to attack again on significant scale
>how many general mobilization
Because a wise man mobilizes early and often. A dumb one wait until it's far too late to change things and just causes more bloodshed.
[...]
He's literally the only thing of value to come from that country in a century
Blondelashes is like half inuit and lives in the ass end of Russia in the northern eastern edge of it close to the US. I doubt she (lel) was a conscript or served in the last 10 years or so so I doubt it.
He’s going to be drafted and get raped daily until he gets yeeted by a soviet mortar dropped from a chinese drone and recorded in 4k for us. It will be his finest livestream.
You fricking Ukrainian Bandits are going to get it now! Russia got you frickers dead to rice! Russia already destroyed half your army and barely lost any troops, now they sending in 300k elite fresh troop which will be enough to secure all of the borders and territory for Russia. This was always the plan motherfrickers! This is phase 2! You had to push push push and now look where it has gotten you! They are about to put on an asswhopping that even Ukrainian prostitutes are not able to take off!
>artificially large lips full of filler >9001 layers of makeup >face incapable of expressions other than bored and disgusted >soulless eyes
you call this hot? these are carnivorous b***hes incapable of love that only care about money. i wouldn't go within HIMARS strike distance from her.
Every experience Ive had with russian women has left me thinking they are soulless prostitutes incapable of loving anything and anyone save themselves and money. Its genuinely weird how easily they think of selling off their body at the drop of a hat. I mean, yeah sure Ukrainian and slavic women in general tend to be like that for some reason but russian ones really go above and beyond in being prostitutes
This is what generation upon generation for hundreds of years of rape does to a "human" being's mind. Russia exists in a perpetual state of seeing the world through the lens of gay rape and prostitution.
It's still a fake mobilization. Under the new plan they'll still "only" be conscripting from recently retired servicemen and active duty servicemen who had previously refused "voluntary" Ukraine deployments
maybe.... I mean 300k is a lot of soldiers by any metric. But can they realistically mobilize 300k more armored weapons to actually conduct maneuvers for offensive operations
i am impressed that /k/ has been able to hold off the /misc/tards. PrepHole is basically /misc/2, PrepHole has to deal with every single fricking day and PrepHole-PrepHole is the one that hurts me the most because it is now mostly fille with ur-paganism pseudoscience BS most of the time.
you jest but i rather shitting on neolibs pretending to have a moral highground. Than to deal with the same bullshit /misc/ regurgitates constantly on our throats, because they all act like sheep.
It's so fricking tiring.
PrepHole is the one that hurts me most too, anon. I just want to talk about rockets and futurism without some cynic frick jacking off about how only duh wites deserve to make it to space.
[...] >Putin is giving me money and weapons! He clearly believes in my cause! I need him!
How easily the wignat is purchased.
Mostly because this board's regulars were more or less completely displaced and replaced by offsiters when this shithole conflict started.
People on here were absolutely seething when regulars told them to post their guns or frick off.
2006 here. Ironically I had almost stopped coming entirely until the war started. Now I'm remembering why I was ever here at all, and how long I've waited for such a war.
Not with 2 weeks of training it can't. With that kind of training you're not getting artillerymen, or pilots, or tank operators. You're getting literal meat slabs. With enough RPG's they could slog an offensive I guess. But oof. No it's not going to be good for them.
russia will support anything that could be disruptive inside enemy nations, they also brutally crush white identity at home
putin is crypto communist with globalist ambitions, you shouldnt support him or want his support if you value the nation
>russia will support anything that could be disruptive inside enemy nations
this is what was akshually in the mueller report mind you. everyone ignored it especially the ones who talked about mueller the most.
But russia is also the number 1 financier of anti white racism. They also fund global warming bullshit and black lives matter.
Maybe they're only in it for themselves and just trying shitty up other people's countries by spreading division. Have you considered that their supposed help is actually counter productive?
Putin is the ultimate ally to Globohomozation
There is a reason his best friends are among the subhuman races and he doesn't permit any antisemitism or anti-race mixing in his country
Russia is the only nation funding neo-nazi movements, meanwhile the US and Europe has been appeasing Black folk and non-whites since before WW2 you fricking braindead moron.
>9 randos from the internet
Meanwhile the president of US is kneeling for Black folk while Russia backs neo-nazi movements in Europe that are actively bombing rapefugee centers.
Unlikely before mud season / winter. I think they are banking on an all out spring offensive
You mean like the last all out spring offensive?
They just want to force whatever they have now to stay, else fronts would completely collapse. More people is a nice bonus but by the spring they would run out of any offensive capable equipment. Also by that time Ukraine will recieve only more western equipment and fully train even more of their own personnel.
Only concern here is still nuclear weapons. They won't change the result of the war now anyway, but would make world shittier place to live in for sure.
Somewhere, in a barren desert or snake filled jungle, there is a strongman that gets butterflies in his stomach every time Putin advances his agenda on the back of nuclear weapons. To the 70IQ part of the world, nuclear weapons must look like a magic wand or a magic genie right now. Only if we could finally show the west who's boss like Mr. Putin... Only if we could wield the raw power of nuclear weapons... The west would see us as equals at the negotiation table and they would have to agree to our terms unconditionally... One day... That's a cat Putin has already let out of the bag. If he faces the tribunal or a knife in his ass or a rope around his balls, maybe slightly less so, but in the mind of a moron, he would be the one to do right after Putin.
I honestly doubt nukes would be used in an effort to preserve the oil fields, at least until the very last minute
I can guarantee you that if they see no other option, they will sooner nuke the oil fields so that way no one will have them, and given how moronic that plan is I can put money on the fact they'd be moronic enough to do it
Basically this. I’m assuming he’s bringing in 300k troops to help defend the land they’ve already taken. If Putin really does try to use them for another major offensive I’ll be shocked.
Even in the defense, Ukraine is going to just get them good and rattled with arty and DIY drone strikes while they probe around. They'll eventually find a nice soft squishy spot and ram it in again.
Everybody acts like defense is somehow simpler and easier than the assault. It isn't, its just different. You need iron will and discipline to be constantly vigilant. You need to be able to endure horrible, tedious, grueling conditions for long periods of time. Then you have to be able to stand your ground in the face of the enemy assault.
Defensive operations are NOT easier, and its a mistake to think untrained and poorly equipped troops being forced to conduct such operations against their will is a good idea.
Russia will likely cycle their seasoned volunteer troops to the rear echelon under the guise of giving them some R&R for the first time in almost 200 days, but irl they will be there to shoot the conscripts when they inevitably break and run.
SBU's biggest problem right now is trying to get the partisans to stop giggling about the prospect long enough to finish laying out the plans to just absolutely fricking kill the entire next wave of reinforcements while they're still on the train and on trucks, yet again, but much much bigger this time.
Reminder they have ATACMS now.
spring is the mud season tho
What's autumn?
also muddy but spring is worse
njhpk
Not remotely as muddy as spring, since there's no melt.
The lesser mud season.
>Spring Offensive
ATTACK in Winter, Ukraine! Don't let these frickers breathe!
TWO MORE OFFENSIVES
Not at all. It will take three months to prepare them and they're losing now. Every month Ukraine is only going to get more powerful too, US leadlease is starting next month.
They spent months building up the 3rd army corp and it was instantly defeated when they rushed it to Kharkiv.
>three months to prepare them
aren't these reservists and refuseniks?
Yes, but russia has no infrastructure even for mobilisation of those.
If they had to start training from beginning, we would be looking a half-a-decade before there would be any legitimate force.
That's assuming they can get all the recruits needed to start with instead of having to run after people skipping conscription, somehow find all the weapons and equipment for them, and on top of that find the time to train them.
I think it's going to look more like the shit they've been doing until now.
I bet there will be a broken arm epidemics and other ways to skip conscription legally
i can't imagine how much more fricked up the russian economy can get between the sanctions, EU not buying gas, and most of the able-bodied young workers conscripted to die in a shitty war or just leaving the country altogether
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Republicans WILL take back the house
Funding for hohols WILL be blocked
/k/opers WILL rope
>he thinks it's the dems who are supporting ukraine
oh ivan.... you're in for a dive
>poll finds
>when we have access to how they vote on giving Ukraine support
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00191.htm
Every single nay is from a Republican.
every "refused to vote" is from a Democrat
wtf does that prove
That 3 times as many republicans are against it as democrates....
Does your moronic vatnik ass know anything about the American political system? Once the republicans win in November, they’ll start shilling for Ukraine too, but then the Dems will begin reeing about it as the Republicans did.
This is some counter cope, of course Russia fixing their manpower issue is going to increase the threat to Ukraine.
Maybe Russia is so corrupt they can't find 500,000 AKs but I seriously doubt it's THAT bad.
t. Ukraine supporter capable of independent thought
See my previous post
Russia is insanely corrupt and these guys that don't wanna fight can easily get away...and most of them will.
IMO they will draft 2m people as part of the "300k" and end up with something close to 300k. As for food and supplies, they likely expect them to loot it, it's how war was done for millenia and Russia has plenty of experiance.
Even Putin is not dumb enough to try and draft 2 millions russians
How would anyone know? "You were part of the 300k" sent to 2m people, no one would ever know that many went out unless all 2m turned up.
>How would anyone know?
lots of people on vkontakte saying "OMG I WAS DRAFTED"
>they likely expect them to loot it
Anon, they aren't on offensive anymore, they would have only themselves to loot from...
>advance or stave
Works just as well as
>retreat and be shot
Russian people have something like ~40 years old tradition of running away from voenkomats, it's not an easy job to catch unwilling russian and minor/major selfmutilation is an acceptable option for them to avoid service if everything else fails, it's been common even on less intense chechen/afghan wars. Russian government has insanely moronic habit to make decisions without giving detailed instructions on how to implement them, leaving local governers, who almost surely didn't see it coming, to figure it out for themselves, which always creates a complete chaos when russian government tries to do anything. Russian army degraded to such a state that it struggles to keep up logistics for the forces they have now, if you just throw 300k more man without unfricking everything for a while first, half of these men are guaranteed to be unequipped, untrained, confused and malnourished in a week, making them the same poor fricking cannonfodder infantry as donbabweans are.
There's just so many levels to this each of which russia can and probably would completely frick up that there's just no way in hell mobilization will turnout into anything meaningful for them.
More blood, more struggle, same results.
>voenkomats
New word, thanks mate.
How does this fix Russia's manpower issues in the short term? Do you seriously think the real world is like a video game where the magic number going up is good?
If you take regular civilians, give them a weeks training on how to use a gun and point them at the frontline, they will die, they will run, they will surrender. They did something similar with the prisoners and most have already been killed. They will need months of gathering, training and equipping and it's as simple as that.
The Russian army doesn't have NCOs. Most of it's training core has been sent to the frontlines. It's struggling to even equip the force it has deployed now. Increased manpower will not solve it's primary failure, which is that they can't SEAD.
Russia is not under existential threat no matter how propagandists and shills frame it and the Russian public is very much aware of this. This is not the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union and extermination of it's people, they will not fight to the death for a cause they don't believe in, meanwhile Ukrainians see it that way and will.
Every military is more support than combat troops, you put these guys in trucks and defending the back lines. Why does everyone here act like they are going to be pushing the front?
Maybe I'm completely wrong, I was wrong at the start when I thought Russia would control the air by week 1 and take Kiev within a month. If I'm wong again I'll admit it and once again I'll be completely disappointed by Russias stupidity.
I hope they send them into the grinder so 50% surender first chance they get but ATM I still don't think Russia is THAT stupid.
>you put these guys in trucks and defending the back lines
>trucks
You should look up BTG composition
>back lines
You should look at Russian troop positioning
>Maybe I'm completely wrong
You are
The entire reason Kharkiv shattered when Kupyansk was taken. Hell, the entire reason Kupyansk could be taken when Ukraine made it through the front line, is Russia's "back lines" are basically nonexistent. They had undefended artillery in their rear and lightly occupied towns. They had heavier guards at the supply junction at Kupyansk. That's fricking it.
They sent a fricking response unit out of BELGOROD to relieve Kupyansk as it was falling. That was their fricking backline for the fricking region. And the response unit surrendered and was captured en masse.
>Why does everyone here act like they are going to be pushing the front?
Well, not too long ago, the Russian front near Kharkiv collapsed. This was at least partly attributable to manpower shortages. Then the Russians sent the newly raised 3rd Army Corps forward to plug the hole, only for them to join the rout.
And now, like a week later, they just announced they need 300k more men.
Gee, anon, I wonder where there going to be sent.
most of the ukranian forces didnt have experience either btw, it goes both ways. At least russia got mandatory conscription so they go into the fray with more experience even if you like it or not. NATO training bootcamps only lasts 3 weeks btw.
British training lasts 120 days and 5k has already been complete.
Dude Ukraine transitioned from just a conscription system to a reservist system, with TDF being that Reserve pool.
In peace time people were reservists who were called up for training periods in the TDF
In war time the reason the TDF did so well is because those people actually did have a modicum of training. This is also why a lot of volunteers were flat out sent to basic TDF or turned away to go be put in the ad-hoc militias; TDF required you to already be a reservist, to already be trained.
Then after the Kyiv feint those guys who weren't busy actively are experienced, and have been pulled into the actual military, being reorganized, given a bit more training, then equipped and deployed while the conscripts were going through a longer regimen of training. The people put into TDF training take their place in the TDF units, the people in the Militia are probably now in TDF training, and so on.
Basically my point is that unlike russia the ukrianians had reservists who were already partially or fully trained to fill the gap while the conscripts get trained up.
>NATO training bootcamps only lasts 3 weeks btw.
US Army Basic Training lasts 10 weeks. Infantry and tank crewmen get another 12 weeks of specialized training after that.
>Not at all. It will take three months to prepare them and they're losing now.
Good news, they announced they will be shipped out after just 2 weeks of training
The americans will vote trump into office again, russia will succeed.
>The americans will vote trump into office again
there is a very good chance trump will not be eligible to run in 2024 lol
Don't be so confident, this guy is like teflon.
on what basis? he's over 35, he's a natural born citizen, and he's lived in the US over 14 years.
>US leadlease is starting next month.
this is starting to become the TWO MORE WEEKS of ukraine.
change the strat, shills. my tax dollars are wroth more than this
>US leadlease is starting next month.
Wtf is this cope? We've already had to dig into our own military stockpiles to keep the Ukrainian army supplied.
source?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-war-depleting-u-s-ammunition-stockpiles-sparking-pentagon-concern-11661792188
I guess the Wall Street Journal is now pushing Russian propaganda...You homosexuals are so brainwashed you can't even stop yourselves from screaming Russian propaganda anytime you see something that isn't positive about Ukraine.
Making ammo is easystreet. We do need to ramp up our production now that the security situation is getting worse but we have the resources to do so. And we still have moronic amount of ammo lying around.
Convenient that the article is subscription locked, so you can go off the attention-grabbing headline rather than detailed facts.
>In recent weeks, the level of 155mm combat rounds in U.S. military storage have become “uncomfortably low,” one defense official said. The levels aren’t yet critical because the U.S. isn’t engaged in any major military conflict, the official added. “It is not at the level we would like to go into combat,” the defense official said.
>Defense and congressional officials familiar with the issue attribute the looming shortage to a number of factors. The Pentagon’s bureaucracy has been slow to provide new contracts to replenish its stocks and has been reluctant to share its long-term needs with industry.
They also attribute part of the problem to the lack of coordination between part of the Pentagon that works to quickly supply Ukraine with weapons and the bureaucracy responsible for buying equipment. “The contracting process is much slower than the drawdown, and there is just not a lot you can do about that,” one congressional staffer said.
Speaking on an earnings call July 19, Jim Taiclet, chief executive of Lockheed Martin Corp., said the Pentagon has yet to put the contracts in place or coordinate with industry to buy more supplies, a process that often takes two to three years.
The Defense Department needs to “shift gears” if it wants industry to prepare for more orders, he said. “And I can tell you the clutch isn’t engaged yet.”
Article isn't paywalled for me, here are the key quotes from the article. Obviously, we can easily ramp up ammo production if a legit war kicked off but as of now, I dunno where they're getting more ammo to supply Ukraine if we are already getting low as is.
>Biden is a fricking moron
BREAKING NEWS.
You realize they said the same thing in 2011 right? Then 2014. Then 2016. Then now. Thats how the pentagon campaigns for new shit. "OH NO, WE ONLY HAVE MORE OF X THAN THE NEXT 11 COUNTRIES COMBINED INSTEAD OF 15, THE WORLD IS GONNA END (gimme money)"
Agreed but we've dumped a frick ton of ammo on Ukraine unlike anything since Vietnam probably and haven't upped production to match it.
Huh interesting. Hope the lazy fricks start pulling their fingers out.
The point remains is that US support has been piecemeal. Imagine if they sent 50 HIMARs instead of 15. I'd hope the Gremlin in the Kremlin's escalation means they're finally gonna start giving them tanks.
Lmao no we are sending them leftovers. Name one (1) unit that is currently underpowered because of the ukrainian aid
Don't bother anon. He's probably getting his news from RT.
Barking of machine gun fire, does nothing to me now
Sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
More a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
Bodies fill the fields I see
The slaughter never ends
Back to the front
You will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
You will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
You coward
You servant
You blind man
Absolutely based. For whom the bell tolls ?
Master of puppets. The cover is right there in the vidya clip
>You coward
>You servant
>You blind man
this is the part
I can't look at the album cover for "Master of Puppets" without thinking of this anymore:
If Putin is willing to suffer high casualties, certainly.
No. Escalation from Russia will lead to escalation from the west. Expect Russian conscripts with Mosin nagants to meet face to face with Abrams supported by f16.
>Expect Russian conscripts with Mosin nagants to meet face to face with Abrams supported by f16
nah they'll be picked off before they even cross the border by smart munitions. If they somehow survive to the front line, they'll die to thermal spotted artillery or drone attacks or just get shot in the dark by a country who isn't 80 years behind the current times.
Yes, in favor of Ukraine.
It means they've already burned through the good troops so probably not
imagine how weak Russia is right now. if anyone wanted to invade they could just walk through the country uncontested.
My coup senses are tingling
> tide
Human tide attacks
If they're not just going to bum rush the recruits straight to Ukraine in a week dollars to donuts the Ukies manage to actually win the war before they show up
>Can Russian mobilization actually turn the tide?
two more campaigning seasons for short victorious war
For every moobilizer they will kill 10 NATO Generals.
I’m confused. Are they actually reservists who just to be equipped or is it basically more conscripts that need to be trained?
it's classic russian doublespeak, it's partial mobilization of those who are in the reserves or have recently exited the military but have training. in addition people who are already in the military will have their contracts extended indefinitely.
considering every russian male is supposed to be conscripted at 18, the pool of people who have "recently exited the military" is like 2-3 million people. considering the quality of russian conscripts, it's basically an activation of the selective service system.
Official claim is "25 millions" available reservists and they "only" mobilizing 300k of them. Supposedly those will be used to hold already occupied territory, not sent to the frontlines... except they didn't bother to mention that frontline currently moves backward.
https://lenta.ru/brief/2022/09/21/putin/ if you care to google translate.
Reservists probably remember which way the bullets go pew pew, so they're marginally better.
How is more men supposed to fix awful logistics, terrible strategic planning and a complete cluster frick of command?
They will use the extra manpower to carry shit over the shoulders for hundreds of miles
More men, for logistics. You know they aren't sending 300k combat troops to the frontline? Please say that you know that.
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And if not?
Yo vatniks. Your Putinbot is about as functional as the rest of your shit.
Putin is going to send 300,000 Russians from conservative Russia to die. They won't complain.
This thread actually made me think it might accomplish something, which is what worries me. I hope lend-lease arrives soon enough to make an impact (I'm not a vatBlack person but I was hoping the Russians would collapse by Christmas):
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1572508552379637761
>Commentators have suggested that the newly mobilised troops could take months to arrive. I think it might actually be quicker than that. I suspect that one of their main purposes will be to allow frontline troops to be rotated and rested for a while.
>You also don't need to be all that well trained to defend a position. Ukraine's territorial defence forces proved that last spring in the defence of Kyiv. Russia's soldiers are poorly trained anyway, so giving new ones a couple of weeks' basic training isn't much different.
>There is also a huge rear area - the occupation zone is the size of Portugal - where Ukrainian partisans and special forces can operate without much trouble. Again, you don't need to be well trained to man a roadblock or patrol a route.
>Russia's crappy logistics are likely due in part to a lack of personnel to do basic things like drive trucks and handle cargos (no palletisation, as
@TrentTelenko
and others have noted). Using contract soldiers to do this is a waste of resources.
tl;dr even if the conscriptniks have literally no equipment and no training they might still be able to drown the ukies as pure fodder, because even untrained losers can defend entrenched position and move ammo by hand and all that. The weight of numbers is what worries me.
absolute smoothbrain take as expected from twitter
>Sending poorly trained reservists to rear areas with heavy insurgent activity
Man that worked so well in Afghanistan
>you don't need to be well trained to man a roadblock or patrol a route.
the cope is reaching hilarious proportions
it's going to be a slaughterhouse (and that's a good thing!)
This is an idiotic analysis for the following reasons:
1) The author says that the point of the reservists is to rotate troops in the winter until conditions thaw in the spring. This is idiotic. Winter is exactly the time to conduct offensive operations in that part of Ukraine because the raspubreastsa freezes and the temperatures are still relatively mild (~0*C). During Barbarossa large-scale operations persisted in this theater up until January and resumed in February.
2) TDF have combat experience in Donbass, reservists don't. TDF had operational surprise, Russia doesn't. TDF had modern equipment, reservists will be lucky at this rate to have one moist nugger per two men. TDF were also defending their homes and knew the terrain very well given that they lived there. Russkis are being dragged to a foreign place that they know nothing about.
3) lol
4) There are no logistics companies. The old Soviet military infrastructure envisioned conscriptniks as ground pounders, not in specialty roles like logistics. They had dedicated railway brigades for that reason.
Good points. I was genuinely wondering, I guess it serves me right for paying too much attention to a twitterBlack person.
They might be able to defend taken areas, but I doubt they will be the ones making any gains.
>You also don't need to be all that well trained to defend a position.
>no training
>no motivation
>no gear
we're about to see some next-level abandooning
It's not going to help. First of all, the Ukies are probably laughing because 300k is *less* than what they've already drawn up since their own mobilization. They went full mobilization five months ago, and have had time to train 5+ batches of conscripts, all properly armed with rifles, helmets, armor, radios and grenades. More and more tanks are on the way.
Meanwhile, the Russians are getting down to 7.62 rifles and T-62s.
It's looking bad and getting worse. There is no relief for the Russians. There are no new rifles, missiles or tanks coming. The weapon quality will continue to nosedive as they reach back further into cold storage.
How does Russia even intend to fight?
No, this isn't intended to shape the frontlines, it's a purported delay tactic. We've already gone over their utter and incredible lack of equipment and resources, and how marching troops across the border is just getting them slaughtered.
This imbecile still thinks winter will ravage Europe without Russian gas somehow, even though gas reserves for it are already at 90% and rising, and it's posed to be one of the warmest winters in recent history. Even at this point, he is still being fed misconstrued intel and he's too frickdumb to double check.
This is a frickup on the level of the invasion itself. Here's hoping Russians find their balls finally and give this moronic midget the Gaddafi special.
it can, instead of ukraine retaking its own territory it will allow ukraine to take snow nigerian territory, which historically belongs to them anyway.
I have a smart idea for russians: Just buy some drugs and let yourself get arrested by a cop for possession. Nobody wants a possible junkie in the military, you won't be sent to the camps for politicals and once you get out Putin might as well be lynched already.
In a month's time Prigozhin will turn up at the prisons again and he won't be asking anymore by then.
Your mistake is thinking that with Russia's drug problems their military isn't already full of hopheads.
I have a question about this mobilization, what does the title of "contractor" entail? Do these guys' families at least get a pension if they get smoked while serving abroad?
>Do these guys' families at least get a pension if they get smoked while serving abroad?
Only if the guy gets his corpse recovered and the command does not just throw it straight into 'russian ambulance' to save the paperwork and money. "Missing in Action", and the family gets labelled with 'Family of Deserter' and their benefits and housing confiscated.
>Can Russian mobilization actually turn the tide?
no. fwiw, ukraine demonstrated last night that they could wreck lipetsk, which is the rail hub south of moscow that supplies the entire fricking special operation from lyman to velyka oleksandrivka.
Huh, it's legit. Any further info on this?
It's NLMK steel mill. It SHOULD look like hell let loose when observed from IR sat, no ukie strikes required.
>lipetsk
>300km from border
HOW
also
WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING
Good question, either the US gave them the long range missiles or Ukraine has been some high speed low drag shit.
air defence, never heard of her
t. smoker
I require some proofs
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#t:adv;m:tsd;d:7days;@39.7,52.6,12z
it feels quite a bit too spicy in the last 24h for it to be an accident, but then there seems to be no hype on social media, as well
It's still burning this morning and I've not yet seen anything about it.
rolling the clock back on that site using the "historical" function shows similar red splotches over the same areas even back to before the 2022 invasion, highly likely it is just exhaust smoke from the heavy industries surrounding the railyard
That's the NLMK steel mill. It's one of their largest steel producers. The whole plant is huge and its output is crucial for the Russian industry. We'd hear more if something were to happen over there.
There's also an important air base nearby, IIRC.
Hohol propaganda, it just blew up on its own from a cigarette. Otherwise we would have Nooked you already.
Yes and hohols will be nuked anyway
West are cucks will do nothing but statements of concern
And you will be sucking wiener for spare change in few months. Such is life.
>NUKES
Every thread... Even if the initial nuke didn't spur the world into action do you really think that won't set off a massive shit storm the moment even a little fallout reaches somewhere important?
Shit or get off the pot.
No...first you have to presume they even get the 300K men. You gotta remember Russia is the most corrupt shit hole in world. Imagine border guards at Uzbekistan and all the other 'Stans just racking up money from the draftees fleeing the country. Then what about the ones who just ignore the summons and stay home? Who are you going to send to bring these guys in? That also takes manpower and money. The police? They're just as corrupt and you can pay them off.
They're not going to get 300K, theres just no way. But lets be generous and say they 100K...which won't happen either. How are you going to supply and feed these people? They're doomed.
This is basically Putins hail mary to plug up the holes in the defense and pray they can make it to winter and take it from there
Not everyone in Russia can afford to live or pay away the draft.
You have not been to Africa if you think Russia is the most corrupt country in the world. Or Ukraine for that matter.
I'm a 33yo Ukrainian male. Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us? I for one don't share your enthusiasm.
It realistically isn't going to benefit the Russians that much when they don't have time to train that many soldiers and they don't have the logistics to supply all of them.
That and it means a ton of Russians go from shitposting here to getting drafted.
Because there are a million people "on your side" online who can't think that maybe Russia mobilizing is bad.
I hope you guys hold out but I'm not going to pretend this isn't bad news for you.
because they are morons
praying for u lot
It's not
But it's bad for the russians
>mobilisation is a good thing
Would you rather a tank be used by an experienced soldier or by a conscript that's a complete idiot and doesn't want to be there. Mobilization will pull large volumes of Russian equipment to reservists that'll get themselves killed.
>just to hold the lines while the pros advance
That requires the pros to take risk. The pros won't do that. The pros will stay safe and push the draftees in first. If the draftees get slaughtered then the pros know where to use artillery.
Для нac цe пoгaнo. Пpocтo для кaцaпiв цe щe гipшe.
>Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us?
more targets to shoot
unqualified and untrained military personal
winter
friendly fire
chances are higher than these morons post their positions on social media
Are you doing your part for Dear Leader Zelensky? Perhaps share your rations and ammo with foreign fighters coming to help you guys out? Did you know that it is better for all Ukrainian men to fall in battle than for r*ssia take one more inch of ground? This fight is bigger than just you. It’s a fight for not just your, but OUR democracy. That’s why Ukraine must win. Good luck Ukraine anon
The frick is this bait? Much mental buddy?
It's either we win and I keep on being random worthless ukie or we lose and I become a russian, and God fricking forbid anyone to live even a day as moskal.
its bad for ukraine, bad for ordinary russians and good for putin and his siloviki
anyone cheering this is moronic or a vatnig
Guess I'm moronic, and I'll continue cheering.
you win, i dont have any counter argument to that
it's shit as our chances to die increase
on the other hand, it will cause more strain for russia, and if we don't frick up we can just see it getting balkanised and gone for good
>Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us?
Every Ivan and Dmitry dying on the front lines in poorly maintained, rusted out, old Soviet kit isn't back in Russia getting the old Soviet kit ready for war or making new kit.
Every Ivan or Dmitry dead on the front lines breaks the will of the guys fighting around him that much faster making routs faster and more likely and degrades the morale back home so reinforcements come in with shittier morale and Putin's that much closer to having nobody willing to fight for his ass.
More meat for the grinder is the best way to end this war. You could take back all your fricking territory and still be stuck in a forever war if you don't kill enough Russians. And NATO won't let you join while you're at war with Russia. Russia's still technically at war with Japan from WWII. Japan isn't killing Russians. You need Russians to kill. Putin's supplying. That's a good thing.
Aren't you ever ashamed of your moronation?
>Aren't you ever ashamed of your moronation?
I'm not wrong. Any scenario without peace is catastrophic. Hot war. Cross border artillery war. Even armistice. Russia will just violate it as soon as they feel like they've got the hardware, just like they did with Chechnya. Ukraine NEEDS to break Russia. They need dead Russians. That's the only way into NATO which is the only way to get permanent long term security.
Russia's gonna be forced to sink a frickton into rebuilding their military after this. It's gonna take several years, but you don't want them coming back to use it on Ukraine.
Nothing you have said in this post backs up your previous post.
>2 weeks of training
Lmao
>Two more weeks
At this rate you're gonna destroy Russia's ENTIRE tank reserve and the front will stall no matter how many millions they send to Ukraine.
Russia is going all in, and will pay in blood, and it will collapse.
This is Russia's Afghanistan, but worse.
war is fun but only until your own children start dying and you actually have to fight it yourself. muscovites will soon have to die.
Imagine the Russian female/male ratio exploding after the war.
Being an incel will become literally impossible in the West.
>In the West
Except most of the dudes Russia is sending to die in this were from Asia, lol.
>most
I don't think "most" is the right word, more like a disproportionate amount.
nice digits though
it's a sign that russia is at the end of the road
trying to mobilize won't help russia militarily, but will increase the strain on their already overloaded logistics, cause more chaos, and speed up the collapse
real humans would have started a revolution by now, but maybe even russians will start protesting
I hope we dump so much tech, weapons and supplies to you guys that dealing with these raggedy vatniks becomes a walk in the park :3
It's just that they are disconnected from the reality of war, even if Ukraine is winning, I can't imagine the pain and suffering needed to achieve that, war is not fun, we can't forget that.
It's bad for everyone but maybe this will jolt the vantniks out of being servile slaves and do something about the monkey.
a soldier that is sub-par in terms of equipment, training and motivation doesn't just not contribute as much as a skilled, motivated solider, they more often than not degrade the combat performance of a force. the us learned this the hard war in vietnam with the things like project 100000 and it's part of why they've pushed so hard for a professional volunteer force ever since.
the total implosion of Russian morale will save more lives than untrained hands take away
>Putin: Read my lips, "no new conscription"
some months later...
When zelensky goes on stage next he will have even better sob story for the west.
While russia pour in morons with no gear you are getting high tech. It will even out while putting massive strain on russian internal politics/climate
You're right. It is very bad news. Mostly because it means Putin is escalating his commitment to the war, meaning a peaceful resolution is fading even further into the distance. The war is not winding down its only going to get uglier, whether that means Russia zerg rushes to victory or ukraine stacks so many orc bodies that they literally can't continue. Its a
major lose-lose though more destruction, more death, for both sides.
The only positive is that this is a pretty clear indication that Ukraine is "winning". Depending on how you even define that...
it's bad for Russian logistics - on a modern battlefield, an uraaaaaaah charge mosin nagant armed conscript is next to worthless, but requires food, fuel, and ammo. Back when elite units like the VDV and the 1st guards tank army was alive I'd be more worried, but now, not so much. It's also an excuse for the west to escalate more equipment to Ukraine
depends on whether they can even mobilize
YO
I hate all the pointless death and suffering but people like her that cheer it on, yeah I hope she gets killed.
kek, I hope they do one of those recordings where they contact her to inform her her son is RIP'd in pieces
I'm willing to turn the entire planet into a thermonuclear frickfest just to see her getting blasted into atoms. May Ukraine march all the way to Vladivostok to call Putin's bluff and teach those morons a lesson in humility.
women
It would've been very bad if someone reported her for slandering Mr. Putin.
she just gave her son a free ticket to the penal battalion
You love to see it
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>You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
>Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
>Sneak home and pray you’ll never know
>The hell where youth and laughter go.
rofl
lmfao
i hate russians
I doubt it's going turn the tide in and of itself but I expect it will be a significant step towards addressing the manpower shortage they've suffered since the war began. They basically needed to do something like this to have a fighting chance and will probably need further waves of mobilization down the line.
They have so many enlisted and PMCs already in country I wouldn't be surprised if the draft if just to hold the lines while the pros advance. This way draft casualties are while still getting the full benefit of the manpower.
VAT NIKS
VAT NIKS
WHAT YOU GONNA DO
WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU
"No one lives here anymore."
Safest place to survive a nuclear blast
Nah, the force of it being thrown around with you in it would peel your flesh and smash your bones.
I think this is comparable to stepping out of a truck sliding down a 45 degree incline towards a cliff and digging in your heels trying to stop it
They should have done this the moment they had to retreat from Kiev
They could have even given all the conscripts 2 or 3 months training without the frontlines moving much, and then the new forces could have participated in the offensives on lychiansk and that other city
Now it's too late
Why? Why can't they draft now, train them though winter and push in the spring? Where is Ukraine going to find 300k bodies over winter?
where is russia going to find literally anything with which to make their gormless mongs combat effective?
>give AK
>give shovel
>teach shoot
>teach dig
Now they are ready to replace the enlisted / PMCs holding defensives lines so the pros can push again.
pffffffffffffft
>Why can't they draft now, train them though winter and push in the spring?
The last time Russia mobilized 200,000 soldiers it took them three months. That was just mobilization, no training or anything like this, which is rumored to only take two weeks anyway.
imagine the kino of seeing russian conscripts getting blasted into oblivion
why are they not moving ???? they are under missile attack and they take the fricking car and stay put ??? are they braindamaged ?
missiles are blind and navigate using echolocation, if you don't move the missile will not notice you and it will fly to hit your neighbor instead
Because back then Ukraine was still rebuilding it's own army and being trained on how to use these advanced weapon systems, those extra 300k troops could have made good progress
Bodies doesn't mean much when you have fully automatic guns and missiles. This isn't ww1 where a guy with a knife can take a position. Nato isn't going to run out of bullets.
man, they should have dropped this whole thing after week one, like after the VDV kept getting splattered without success
So what's the chance that Russian people would actually rise up? Or do they plan doormatting the next 1000 years as well?
>So what's the chance that Russian people would actually rise up?
0
The highest expression of dissent they'll display is fleeing from conscription officers
A few of them will hold blank pieces of paper in public and then get arrested having accomplished nothing of value
IIRC every Russian revolution started in the military and civilians only joined after the military started fighting.
they're fricking hopeless
ghengis khan himself could literally be mobilizing them to serve as his personal banquet items and they'd say thank you
The genes of resistance, self determination and virtue, were cleansed in the gulags. A mix of keeping your head down, pretending to love your oppression even in the presence of friends and family, and falsely snitching on your neighbor quite literally became the Soviet domestic culture during the Stalin era.
You could not find a more cowardly, nihilistic, and subservient race than the post-soviet Russians.
>how could murdering all of our free thinkers ever backfire?
if I didn't know better I would think the USSR was one big science experiment to see how fricked up you could make a formerly proud people in one human lifetime
>formerly proud
Don't kid yourself, they've been like this ever since Ivan the Terrible.
I was mostly just being polite, give the vodkaBlack folk something to aspire to at least
If I had a time machine and one bullet, Pushkin would receive it.
> USSR
> formerly proud people in one human lifetime
One lifetime?
How about one millennium?
> let's rule these frickers with, uh, any ideas?
> a crazy monk?
> love it! keep coming
> a hemopheliac?
> brilliant, more!
> uh, a really tall dude
> ok, stronger
> the crazy monk has a XBOX HUEG wiener
> good!
> mix in a crazy ass brand of economics?
> like what?
> uh, that guy in austria has some fricked up ideas.
> good!
> and a string of neurotic, crazy, vindictive, murderous despots
> write it up. This is gonna draw dimes.
do they have supplies for them tho?
how long until they run out of heavy machinery?
didn't their "proffesional" army lacked armor plates and other basic stuff?
isn't sending only infantry without support stupid?
What the hell is that thing?
Shoigu's personal ride
MT-LB with some special applique armor.
Just a few days ago I warned you people that you had better lay off the bullshit about Russia not mobilizing. I warned you that if there WAS a mobilization then you'd look like fools.
And here we are.
Hey, you fricking trash, why aren't you prancing around declaring Putin can't mobilize? Didn't your e-celeb propaganda outlet explain that Russia couldn't mobilize because of severe population issues, lack of logistics to support them and so on? Hey where did you guys go? Is it not fun to signal about that anymore?
Or are you drawing up an apology for listening exclusively to a propaganda echo chamber? If so please take your time we aren't going anywhere.
I want to see them try to """""mobilize""""". Announcements ain't worth Black person wiener.
Are you sure "they're lying" is the narrative you want to go with? Do you understand that if Zelensky or someone in the Pentagon or any other outside observer backs it up that you're just going to look like a fool?
>Are you sure "they're lying" is the narrative you want to go with?
Considering that Russia is spouting nothing BUT lies, why not?
>muh appeal to authority
>WAS a mobilization then you'd look like fools
Russian mobilization is absolute Christmas. Imagine the videos we'll see in December. Anyone rational would have done this on day 2 or day 3. To mobilize now puts Russia in a terrible spot. The only conclusion is that Putin doesn't expect this to help but expects to take some political pressure off for a bit.
oh no, they're going to throw more people at the problem with their supply lines under missile fire that they cannot counter all while ukraine is slated to get even more gear
anyway...
>expecting the Polskie Siły Obrony Internetu to do anything besides double down
weź spierdalaj do rosji jak tak ją kochasz, zdrajco
Called it. The most psychotic takes on the war tend to come from Polish posters.
Flags when?
theyre enabled back on the board you came here from. you should go back there
I fricking said he would even though it was a dumb idea
I wanted him to do it
May the sharks come to the smell of blood in the water and tear this faux empire to shreds.
>Hey, you fricking trash, why aren't you prancing around declaring Putin can't mobilize? Didn't your e-celeb propaganda outlet explain that Russia couldn't mobilize because of severe population issues, lack of logistics to support them and so on? Hey where did you guys go? Is it not fun to signal about that anymore?
none of this has gone away and it's literally the beginning of the end for the russian army.
Yeah, as always the argument that Putin/Russia won't do something because it would be moronic fails due to the fact Putin and the Russia people are themselves moronic.
Probably not. We're going to see the frontline stabilize, and another 6 months of stalemate and ~100k dead 55k Russian-45k Ukrainian, and several times that wounded in similar proportion. The main factor is how much general inflation and self-inflicted sanctions are going to hurt Western Europe and change their appetite for continuing the war, instead of making Zelensky surrender. American elections really don't matter, since both parties want to bankroll and dump weapons on Ukraine.
If you expect anything other than an unsatisfying (unsatisfying to Ukraine because they're realistically losing more territory, unsatisfying to Russia because of the price of those miles) draw, you're some sort of shill - be it Russian, Ukrainian, or NATO. Nobody is going to be happy with the peace terms, and we're going to be questioning the wisdom of this whole ordeal.
the russians will certainly find it difficult to find the terms acceptable as they will be dead
I've never understood why people like you always come out of the woodwork when someone's getting attacked and talk about how the best way for the victim to stop the assault is to just lay over and give the attacker what they want.
Btw, it's not going to be a stalemate. The Russian forces around Kherson are going to get bombed into the fricking stone age the moment winter sets in and they can't move, and you're going to lose 15k+ troops there alone.
What on Earth are you talking about? Bombing them back to the stone age...with their 20 sorties a day? Against Russia's 200 sorties a day? Did Ukraine have a giant air fleet no one knew about until just now?
Post bridges.
>200 sorties
lol
on Garmin GPS's inside fighter jets lmao
sure
>Against Russia's 200 sorties a day?
Weird, I don't see the jets.
>Russia's 200 sorties a day
They're not still flying 200 sorties a day, anon. That estimate was made in early March and the last six months have not been kind to the Russian Air Force.
I've never understood why people like you always come out of the woodwork when someone's getting attacked and talk about how the best way for the victim to stop the assault is to just lay over and give the attacker what they want.
First of all, if Russia had gotten what they wanted, they would have had tanks in Maidan Square in March. Now, they can't hope for much more than a land bridge to Crimea. That's already a big L for Russia.
Second of all, obviously. A weaker nation often finds itself in the Melian dilemna where they can choose surrender with dignity, or total loss. A weaker party should take the offer to surrender with dignity on some of their own terms, because a protracted conflict does not favor them. Put another way, it's better to tap out than have your arm broken.
>A weaker nation often finds itself in the Melian dilemna where they can choose surrender with dignity, or total loss.
Strange that you focus on establishing a parallel with the Melians, but forget about establishing the maybe all too apt parallel with the Spartans... :^)
>A weaker nation
Ukraine and Russia are peer to peer moron
>Ukraine and Russia are peer to peer moron
>implying
Russia wishes
This "special" operation has been a real eye opener hasn't it.
At an individual level, sure. I would even give the Ukrainians a pound for pound advantage; let's say they fight as well as 1.2-1.5 Russians. However, there are about 4x as many Russian fighting-age men. And the biggest successes have been where Ukraine has mustered a localized numerical advantage. With more troops in theater, these mismatches should be harder to create and Ukrainian territorial gains are likely to slow, if not reverse.
Counterpoint: Doubling/tripling the number of Russian fighters in country is doubling/tripling the ammo consumption.
While Ukraine gets more HIMARs online, while Ukraine shreds more Russian air defenses so their drones and aircraft can operate with impunity, while Ukraine STILL has vision on every single Russian ammo depot thanks to NATO intel.
Russia is ALREADY firing less than 1/8th the artillery they were initially when they switched to massed artillery as a strategy to keep the Ukrainians at bay because they're running out of ammo and can't stock replacements anywhere near the fricking front line cause it keeps getting blown up.
Putting more hands on more weapons in theater doesn't do you any good if you can't get those weapons ammo any faster. It actually puts Russian positions at risk of burning through their own stocks by accident and being forced to fall back. That would be catastrophic because massed artillery is their front line strategy.
> Doubling/tripling the number of Russian fighters in country is doubling/tripling the ammo consumption.
False.
Your proposition is only true if each new Russian body is spaced apart.
HIMAR doesn't care if one Russian or 5 russians or 10 russians are standing in the blast radius.
> they all 'asplode
Your point about Russian running out of consumables is spot on. And it's a huge take away.
> Arsenal of Democracy is no more
> stockpile your shit now
> stack it deep
> stack more
> logistics matter
> indigenous production matters
yeah. putin will totally shift the country into totallenkrieg, mobilize 2 million men and build a thousand T-14's/year.
just imagine the BRUTAL VOGGINGS when the conscripts start pouring in. Bombing donbabweans already looked a bit like tormenting homeless people, I hope it gets much worse.
May the ukie drone operator zoomers never run out of grenades
God is not on Russia's side.
it only turns 1-1.5 year war into 3-5 year war
No, because they didn't even fully commit. They're still half-assing it, which means more losses, less equipment, and a population which will now feel the direct effects of the war (and enough are still home to begin voicing and showing their dissatisfaction. Sure, a few can be Gulag'd, but threaten everyone with the firing line or prison...unrest begins to build.)
the announced 300k reservists are just to plug the gap and prevent further ukrainian advances and humiliations.
it will take atleast a few months until they are able to attack again on significant scale
No, there are so many other problems with the Russian Army from training to material and logistics issues, to the fricking organization of it all.
This is just more chum in the water, and it's just going to stir up more sharks to come for Putin and his "empire."
BTW has anybody been tracking how many general mobilizations have been activated in Ukraine? Five?
>how many general mobilization
Because a wise man mobilizes early and often. A dumb one wait until it's far too late to change things and just causes more bloodshed.
Yes. Russia will go from losing quickly to losing with all rapidity.
He's not going to be drafted, is he?
I have to protect him
That's a boy? WOW globohomosexual won't let me have access to the finest trannies, I hate the west!
don't lie to me, this is clearly a real woman
Blondelashes19 and he's super pretty but the magic kind of fades after you see him excrete an entire hot dog onto a bun, then daintily eat it
wtf
That's the prostitute that's been selling her gaymer bathtub water
I fricking wish femboys looked like that
it doesn't matter, anyone who thinks it matters has just been deluded by their genes
>russian troon imitates a israelite prostitute from America
How can one nation even be this buck broken? They can't even come up with their own porn.
is he a russian?
Yes
kek
we've been telling you Russia is one of the troony capitals...
He's literally the only thing of value to come from that country in a century
Blondelashes is like half inuit and lives in the ass end of Russia in the northern eastern edge of it close to the US. I doubt she (lel) was a conscript or served in the last 10 years or so so I doubt it.
pls don't, he cute
He must or globohomosexual will win
He’s going to be drafted and get raped daily until he gets yeeted by a soviet mortar dropped from a chinese drone and recorded in 4k for us. It will be his finest livestream.
You will do nothing and let it happen.
>3d printed prostitute shoes
what a time to be alive
I don't understand the world i live in. I don't understand it at all.
Kacap bois...
>tfw no conscript femboy POW-war bride
>russians transition en masse and get sold to the west as cheap prostitutes together with their women
Win-win.
"Why are the hohols laughing? I demand an explanation, why are the hohols laughing when we're fricking mobilizing?"
Fug, wrong screen.
>ASB Military News
This does not bode well for Russia.
You fricking Ukrainian Bandits are going to get it now! Russia got you frickers dead to rice! Russia already destroyed half your army and barely lost any troops, now they sending in 300k elite fresh troop which will be enough to secure all of the borders and territory for Russia. This was always the plan motherfrickers! This is phase 2! You had to push push push and now look where it has gotten you! They are about to put on an asswhopping that even Ukrainian prostitutes are not able to take off!
tfw no Russian widow gf
damn, russian b***hes have low standards
It's just Russia man, all the chicks are hot and all the guys are mongers.
>artificially large lips full of filler
>9001 layers of makeup
>face incapable of expressions other than bored and disgusted
>soulless eyes
you call this hot? these are carnivorous b***hes incapable of love that only care about money. i wouldn't go within HIMARS strike distance from her.
They're pretty damn fugly themselves
I know, it's great
Every experience Ive had with russian women has left me thinking they are soulless prostitutes incapable of loving anything and anyone save themselves and money. Its genuinely weird how easily they think of selling off their body at the drop of a hat. I mean, yeah sure Ukrainian and slavic women in general tend to be like that for some reason but russian ones really go above and beyond in being prostitutes
This is what generation upon generation for hundreds of years of rape does to a "human" being's mind. Russia exists in a perpetual state of seeing the world through the lens of gay rape and prostitution.
maybe
I thought Russia had to declare war in order to have any mobilization
It's still a fake mobilization. Under the new plan they'll still "only" be conscripting from recently retired servicemen and active duty servicemen who had previously refused "voluntary" Ukraine deployments
I don't give a shit. On one side you've got gay rights and on the other you've got prison time for calling out the israelites.
Frick them both.
What has any gay person ever done wrong to you ever?
Ignoring him, probably.
maybe.... I mean 300k is a lot of soldiers by any metric. But can they realistically mobilize 300k more armored weapons to actually conduct maneuvers for offensive operations
>Ivan's right now
maybe. but if morale is still dogshit and all the memes about god awful supplies are 100% true, probably not.
this board popularized the insult "slavshit", newbie tourist
>this board popularized the insult "slavshit",
this. I never not mocked slavshit and this whole war is like one massive vidication for years.
Russians are cooking in the cauldron
The ingredients are their own men. Slow cooking.
you people are so far gone and schizophrenic that theres no need to even try to talk to you. Frick russia
/k/ has always been anti-vatnik, /misc/tard. Frick off back to your containment board.
i am impressed that /k/ has been able to hold off the /misc/tards. PrepHole is basically /misc/2, PrepHole has to deal with every single fricking day and PrepHole-PrepHole is the one that hurts me the most because it is now mostly fille with ur-paganism pseudoscience BS most of the time.
the influx of unironic Biden supporters hasn't been worth it, though
you jest but i rather shitting on neolibs pretending to have a moral highground. Than to deal with the same bullshit /misc/ regurgitates constantly on our throats, because they all act like sheep.
It's so fricking tiring.
>you jest
There's a Black person who dumps a "NATOwave/Dark Brandon" folder here every day, in case you missed him
oh dude you have not met barneygay, it's important to actually learn to ignore baits and lolcows. They waste your time and emotional stamina.
The trick is the guns, weapons autism is an amazingly effective shibboleth
PrepHole is the one that hurts me most too, anon. I just want to talk about rockets and futurism without some cynic frick jacking off about how only duh wites deserve to make it to space.
Well they ARE ideologue prostitutes, anon.
Mostly because this board's regulars were more or less completely displaced and replaced by offsiters when this shithole conflict started.
People on here were absolutely seething when regulars told them to post their guns or frick off.
2006 here. Ironically I had almost stopped coming entirely until the war started. Now I'm remembering why I was ever here at all, and how long I've waited for such a war.
Not with 2 weeks of training it can't. With that kind of training you're not getting artillerymen, or pilots, or tank operators. You're getting literal meat slabs. With enough RPG's they could slog an offensive I guess. But oof. No it's not going to be good for them.
If you support Ukraine you are an anti-white israeli shill
Russia is the #1 financier of international white nationalism
If Russia collapses, the white race is finished for good
no you false flag homosexual
russia is as WN as the ADL, their entire propaganda line revolves around "punch nazis"
I didn’t say Russia is WN
I said they’re it’s #1 supporter
America isn’t fascist but we supported fascists all across Latin America to fight the commies
russia will support anything that could be disruptive inside enemy nations, they also brutally crush white identity at home
putin is crypto communist with globalist ambitions, you shouldnt support him or want his support if you value the nation
>russia will support anything that could be disruptive inside enemy nations
this is what was akshually in the mueller report mind you. everyone ignored it especially the ones who talked about mueller the most.
But russia is also the number 1 financier of anti white racism. They also fund global warming bullshit and black lives matter.
Maybe they're only in it for themselves and just trying shitty up other people's countries by spreading division. Have you considered that their supposed help is actually counter productive?
Pretty stupid to have fricked themselves for good by starting this war then isn't it, you should hate Russia too
Putin is the ultimate ally to Globohomozation
There is a reason his best friends are among the subhuman races and he doesn't permit any antisemitism or anti-race mixing in his country
Russia is the only nation funding neo-nazi movements, meanwhile the US and Europe has been appeasing Black folk and non-whites since before WW2 you fricking braindead moron.
>Russia is the #1 financier of international white nationalism
Israel is moron, who else supported SA and Rhodesia?
Can't tell if bait or true /misc/cel
>9 randos from the internet
Meanwhile the president of US is kneeling for Black folk while Russia backs neo-nazi movements in Europe that are actively bombing rapefugee centers.
>Putin is giving me money and weapons! He clearly believes in my cause! I need him!
How easily the wignat is purchased.
Russia also funds a load of far left groups as well. Their goal is not to push an idea, it's to destabilize the west you dumb frick.
>puccia
>White
Loving every laugh
No, mobilization means that other military's will step in.
No, lol. We've seen that bodies are not the bottleneck for Russia
Guys, what will be the wojak meme when Ukraine will HIMARS a train full of concripts on russian grounds?
This is basically just what everyone witness with Russians anywhere.
>Vatnik can't stop talking how great Putin and Russia is
>Cool... then why don't you return to Russia?
>No... well... you see
image to help people better understand.
Not all russian folks are vatniks, but unfortunately some have family in russia who are.
It will increase the tide of Russian corpses.
Its more likely going to make things worse to be honest.
>Forcibly making people fight a war they don't want to fight with 2 weeks of training
Yeah that's a big nope chief.
well, as we can see, there are tides of young russian men scrambling for finland. So yes, in a fashion.