Can Russian mobilization actually turn the tide?

Can Russian mobilization actually turn the tide?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unlikely before mud season / winter. I think they are banking on an all out spring offensive

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean like the last all out spring offensive?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They just want to force whatever they have now to stay, else fronts would completely collapse. More people is a nice bonus but by the spring they would run out of any offensive capable equipment. Also by that time Ukraine will recieve only more western equipment and fully train even more of their own personnel.
      Only concern here is still nuclear weapons. They won't change the result of the war now anyway, but would make world shittier place to live in for sure.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Somewhere, in a barren desert or snake filled jungle, there is a strongman that gets butterflies in his stomach every time Putin advances his agenda on the back of nuclear weapons. To the 70IQ part of the world, nuclear weapons must look like a magic wand or a magic genie right now. Only if we could finally show the west who's boss like Mr. Putin... Only if we could wield the raw power of nuclear weapons... The west would see us as equals at the negotiation table and they would have to agree to our terms unconditionally... One day... That's a cat Putin has already let out of the bag. If he faces the tribunal or a knife in his ass or a rope around his balls, maybe slightly less so, but in the mind of a retard, he would be the one to do right after Putin.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I honestly doubt nukes would be used in an effort to preserve the oil fields, at least until the very last minute
        I can guarantee you that if they see no other option, they will sooner nuke the oil fields so that way no one will have them, and given how retarded that plan is I can put money on the fact they'd be retarded enough to do it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Basically this. I’m assuming he’s bringing in 300k troops to help defend the land they’ve already taken. If Putin really does try to use them for another major offensive I’ll be shocked.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even in the defense, Ukraine is going to just get them good and rattled with arty and DIY drone strikes while they probe around. They'll eventually find a nice soft squishy spot and ram it in again.

          Everybody acts like defense is somehow simpler and easier than the assault. It isn't, its just different. You need iron will and discipline to be constantly vigilant. You need to be able to endure horrible, tedious, grueling conditions for long periods of time. Then you have to be able to stand your ground in the face of the enemy assault.

          Defensive operations are NOT easier, and its a mistake to think untrained and poorly equipped troops being forced to conduct such operations against their will is a good idea.

          Russia will likely cycle their seasoned volunteer troops to the rear echelon under the guise of giving them some R&R for the first time in almost 200 days, but irl they will be there to shoot the conscripts when they inevitably break and run.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Basically this. I’m assuming he’s bringing in 300k troops to help defend the land they’ve already taken. If Putin really does try to use them for another major offensive I’ll be shocked.

            SBU's biggest problem right now is trying to get the partisans to stop giggling about the prospect long enough to finish laying out the plans to just absolutely fucking kill the entire next wave of reinforcements while they're still on the train and on trucks, yet again, but much much bigger this time.

            Reminder they have ATACMS now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      spring is the mud season tho

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's autumn?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          also muddy but spring is worse

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          njhpk
          Not remotely as muddy as spring, since there's no melt.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The lesser mud season.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Spring Offensive

      ATTACK in Winter, Ukraine! Don't let these fuckers breathe!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TWO MORE OFFENSIVES

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not at all. It will take three months to prepare them and they're losing now. Every month Ukraine is only going to get more powerful too, US leadlease is starting next month.

    They spent months building up the 3rd army corp and it was instantly defeated when they rushed it to Kharkiv.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >three months to prepare them
      aren't these reservists and refuseniks?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but russia has no infrastructure even for mobilisation of those.
        If they had to start training from beginning, we would be looking a half-a-decade before there would be any legitimate force.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's assuming they can get all the recruits needed to start with instead of having to run after people skipping conscription, somehow find all the weapons and equipment for them, and on top of that find the time to train them.

      I think it's going to look more like the shit they've been doing until now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I bet there will be a broken arm epidemics and other ways to skip conscription legally

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I bet there will be a broken arm epidemics and other ways to skip conscription legally

        i can't imagine how much more fucked up the russian economy can get between the sanctions, EU not buying gas, and most of the able-bodied young workers conscripted to die in a shitty war or just leaving the country altogether

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No.55261990
      Republicans WILL take back the house

      Funding for hohols WILL be blocked

      /k/opers WILL rope

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he thinks it's the dems who are supporting ukraine

        oh ivan.... you're in for a dive

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >poll finds
          >when we have access to how they vote on giving Ukraine support
          https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00191.htm
          Every single nay is from a Republican.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            every "refused to vote" is from a Democrat
            wtf does that prove

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That 3 times as many republicans are against it as democrates....

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does your retarded vatnik ass know anything about the American political system? Once the republicans win in November, they’ll start shilling for Ukraine too, but then the Dems will begin reeing about it as the Republicans did.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is some counter cope, of course Russia fixing their manpower issue is going to increase the threat to Ukraine.
      Maybe Russia is so corrupt they can't find 500,000 AKs but I seriously doubt it's THAT bad.
      t. Ukraine supporter capable of independent thought

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See my previous post

        No...first you have to presume they even get the 300K men. You gotta remember Russia is the most corrupt shit hole in world. Imagine border guards at Uzbekistan and all the other 'Stans just racking up money from the draftees fleeing the country. Then what about the ones who just ignore the summons and stay home? Who are you going to send to bring these guys in? That also takes manpower and money. The police? They're just as corrupt and you can pay them off.

        They're not going to get 300K, theres just no way. But lets be generous and say they 100K...which won't happen either. How are you going to supply and feed these people? They're doomed.

        This is basically Putins hail mary to plug up the holes in the defense and pray they can make it to winter and take it from there

        Russia is insanely corrupt and these guys that don't wanna fight can easily get away...and most of them will.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          IMO they will draft 2m people as part of the "300k" and end up with something close to 300k. As for food and supplies, they likely expect them to loot it, it's how war was done for millenia and Russia has plenty of experiance.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even Putin is not dumb enough to try and draft 2 millions russians

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How would anyone know? "You were part of the 300k" sent to 2m people, no one would ever know that many went out unless all 2m turned up.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How would anyone know?
                lots of people on vkontakte saying "OMG I WAS DRAFTED"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they likely expect them to loot it
            Anon, they aren't on offensive anymore, they would have only themselves to loot from...

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >advance or stave
              Works just as well as
              >retreat and be shot

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russian people have something like ~40 years old tradition of running away from voenkomats, it's not an easy job to catch unwilling russian and minor/major selfmutilation is an acceptable option for them to avoid service if everything else fails, it's been common even on less intense chechen/afghan wars. Russian government has insanely retarded habit to make decisions without giving detailed instructions on how to implement them, leaving local governers, who almost surely didn't see it coming, to figure it out for themselves, which always creates a complete chaos when russian government tries to do anything. Russian army degraded to such a state that it struggles to keep up logistics for the forces they have now, if you just throw 300k more man without unfucking everything for a while first, half of these men are guaranteed to be unequipped, untrained, confused and malnourished in a week, making them the same poor fucking cannonfodder infantry as donbabweans are.
        There's just so many levels to this each of which russia can and probably would completely fuck up that there's just no way in hell mobilization will turnout into anything meaningful for them.
        More blood, more struggle, same results.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >voenkomats

          New word, thanks mate.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does this fix Russia's manpower issues in the short term? Do you seriously think the real world is like a video game where the magic number going up is good?

        If you take regular civilians, give them a weeks training on how to use a gun and point them at the frontline, they will die, they will run, they will surrender. They did something similar with the prisoners and most have already been killed. They will need months of gathering, training and equipping and it's as simple as that.

        The Russian army doesn't have NCOs. Most of it's training core has been sent to the frontlines. It's struggling to even equip the force it has deployed now. Increased manpower will not solve it's primary failure, which is that they can't SEAD.

        Russia is not under existential threat no matter how propagandists and shills frame it and the Russian public is very much aware of this. This is not the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union and extermination of it's people, they will not fight to the death for a cause they don't believe in, meanwhile Ukrainians see it that way and will.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Every military is more support than combat troops, you put these guys in trucks and defending the back lines. Why does everyone here act like they are going to be pushing the front?
          Maybe I'm completely wrong, I was wrong at the start when I thought Russia would control the air by week 1 and take Kiev within a month. If I'm wong again I'll admit it and once again I'll be completely disappointed by Russias stupidity.
          I hope they send them into the grinder so 50% surender first chance they get but ATM I still don't think Russia is THAT stupid.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you put these guys in trucks and defending the back lines
            >trucks
            You should look up BTG composition
            >back lines
            You should look at Russian troop positioning
            >Maybe I'm completely wrong
            You are

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The entire reason Kharkiv shattered when Kupyansk was taken. Hell, the entire reason Kupyansk could be taken when Ukraine made it through the front line, is Russia's "back lines" are basically nonexistent. They had undefended artillery in their rear and lightly occupied towns. They had heavier guards at the supply junction at Kupyansk. That's fucking it.

            They sent a fucking response unit out of BELGOROD to relieve Kupyansk as it was falling. That was their fucking backline for the fucking region. And the response unit surrendered and was captured en masse.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why does everyone here act like they are going to be pushing the front?
            Well, not too long ago, the Russian front near Kharkiv collapsed. This was at least partly attributable to manpower shortages. Then the Russians sent the newly raised 3rd Army Corps forward to plug the hole, only for them to join the rout.
            And now, like a week later, they just announced they need 300k more men.
            Gee, anon, I wonder where there going to be sent.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most of the ukranian forces didnt have experience either btw, it goes both ways. At least russia got mandatory conscription so they go into the fray with more experience even if you like it or not. NATO training bootcamps only lasts 3 weeks btw.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        British training lasts 120 days and 5k has already been complete.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude Ukraine transitioned from just a conscription system to a reservist system, with TDF being that Reserve pool.
        In peace time people were reservists who were called up for training periods in the TDF
        In war time the reason the TDF did so well is because those people actually did have a modicum of training. This is also why a lot of volunteers were flat out sent to basic TDF or turned away to go be put in the ad-hoc militias; TDF required you to already be a reservist, to already be trained.

        Then after the Kyiv feint those guys who weren't busy actively are experienced, and have been pulled into the actual military, being reorganized, given a bit more training, then equipped and deployed while the conscripts were going through a longer regimen of training. The people put into TDF training take their place in the TDF units, the people in the Militia are probably now in TDF training, and so on.

        Basically my point is that unlike russia the ukrianians had reservists who were already partially or fully trained to fill the gap while the conscripts get trained up.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NATO training bootcamps only lasts 3 weeks btw.
        US Army Basic Training lasts 10 weeks. Infantry and tank crewmen get another 12 weeks of specialized training after that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Not at all. It will take three months to prepare them and they're losing now.
      Good news, they announced they will be shipped out after just 2 weeks of training

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The americans will vote trump into office again, russia will succeed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The americans will vote trump into office again

        there is a very good chance trump will not be eligible to run in 2024 lol

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't be so confident, this guy is like teflon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          on what basis? he's over 35, he's a natural born citizen, and he's lived in the US over 14 years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >US leadlease is starting next month.
      this is starting to become the TWO MORE WEEKS of ukraine.

      change the strat, shills. my tax dollars are wroth more than this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >US leadlease is starting next month.
      Wtf is this cope? We've already had to dig into our own military stockpiles to keep the Ukrainian army supplied.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        source?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao no we are sending them leftovers. Name one (1) unit that is currently underpowered because of the ukrainian aid

          Don't bother anon. He's probably getting his news from RT.

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-war-depleting-u-s-ammunition-stockpiles-sparking-pentagon-concern-11661792188

          I guess the Wall Street Journal is now pushing Russian propaganda...You gays are so brainwashed you can't even stop yourselves from screaming Russian propaganda anytime you see something that isn't positive about Ukraine.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Making ammo is easystreet. We do need to ramp up our production now that the security situation is getting worse but we have the resources to do so. And we still have retarded amount of ammo lying around.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Convenient that the article is subscription locked, so you can go off the attention-grabbing headline rather than detailed facts.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >In recent weeks, the level of 155mm combat rounds in U.S. military storage have become “uncomfortably low,” one defense official said. The levels aren’t yet critical because the U.S. isn’t engaged in any major military conflict, the official added. “It is not at the level we would like to go into combat,” the defense official said.

              >Defense and congressional officials familiar with the issue attribute the looming shortage to a number of factors. The Pentagon’s bureaucracy has been slow to provide new contracts to replenish its stocks and has been reluctant to share its long-term needs with industry.

              They also attribute part of the problem to the lack of coordination between part of the Pentagon that works to quickly supply Ukraine with weapons and the bureaucracy responsible for buying equipment. “The contracting process is much slower than the drawdown, and there is just not a lot you can do about that,” one congressional staffer said.

              Speaking on an earnings call July 19, Jim Taiclet, chief executive of Lockheed Martin Corp., said the Pentagon has yet to put the contracts in place or coordinate with industry to buy more supplies, a process that often takes two to three years.

              The Defense Department needs to “shift gears” if it wants industry to prepare for more orders, he said. “And I can tell you the clutch isn’t engaged yet.”

              Article isn't paywalled for me, here are the key quotes from the article. Obviously, we can easily ramp up ammo production if a legit war kicked off but as of now, I dunno where they're getting more ammo to supply Ukraine if we are already getting low as is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Biden is a fucking retard
                BREAKING NEWS.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You realize they said the same thing in 2011 right? Then 2014. Then 2016. Then now. Thats how the pentagon campaigns for new shit. "OH NO, WE ONLY HAVE MORE OF X THAN THE NEXT 11 COUNTRIES COMBINED INSTEAD OF 15, THE WORLD IS GONNA END (gimme money)"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Agreed but we've dumped a fuck ton of ammo on Ukraine unlike anything since Vietnam probably and haven't upped production to match it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Huh interesting. Hope the lazy fucks start pulling their fingers out.

            The point remains is that US support has been piecemeal. Imagine if they sent 50 HIMARs instead of 15. I'd hope the Gremlin in the Kremlin's escalation means they're finally gonna start giving them tanks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao no we are sending them leftovers. Name one (1) unit that is currently underpowered because of the ukrainian aid

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't bother anon. He's probably getting his news from RT.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Barking of machine gun fire, does nothing to me now
      Sounding of the clock that ticks, get used to it somehow
      More a man, more stripes you bare, glory seeker trends
      Bodies fill the fields I see
      The slaughter never ends

      Back to the front
      You will do what I say, when I say
      Back to the front
      You will die when I say, you must die
      Back to the front
      You coward
      You servant
      You blind man

      Absolutely based. For whom the bell tolls ?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Master of puppets. The cover is right there in the vidya clip

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You coward
        >You servant
        >You blind man
        this is the part

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't look at the album cover for "Master of Puppets" without thinking of this anymore:

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Putin is willing to suffer high casualties, certainly.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. Escalation from Russia will lead to escalation from the west. Expect Russian conscripts with Mosin nagants to meet face to face with Abrams supported by f16.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Expect Russian conscripts with Mosin nagants to meet face to face with Abrams supported by f16
      nah they'll be picked off before they even cross the border by smart munitions. If they somehow survive to the front line, they'll die to thermal spotted artillery or drone attacks or just get shot in the dark by a country who isn't 80 years behind the current times.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, in favor of Ukraine.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It means they've already burned through the good troops so probably not

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine how weak Russia is right now. if anyone wanted to invade they could just walk through the country uncontested.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My coup senses are tingling

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > tide
    Human tide attacks

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they're not just going to bum rush the recruits straight to Ukraine in a week dollars to donuts the Ukies manage to actually win the war before they show up

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can Russian mobilization actually turn the tide?
    two more campaigning seasons for short victorious war

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For every moobilizer they will kill 10 NATO Generals.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m confused. Are they actually reservists who just to be equipped or is it basically more conscripts that need to be trained?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's classic russian doublespeak, it's partial mobilization of those who are in the reserves or have recently exited the military but have training. in addition people who are already in the military will have their contracts extended indefinitely.

      considering every russian male is supposed to be conscripted at 18, the pool of people who have "recently exited the military" is like 2-3 million people. considering the quality of russian conscripts, it's basically an activation of the selective service system.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Official claim is "25 millions" available reservists and they "only" mobilizing 300k of them. Supposedly those will be used to hold already occupied territory, not sent to the frontlines... except they didn't bother to mention that frontline currently moves backward.
        https://lenta.ru/brief/2022/09/21/putin/ if you care to google translate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reservists probably remember which way the bullets go pew pew, so they're marginally better.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is more men supposed to fix awful logistics, terrible strategic planning and a complete cluster fuck of command?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They will use the extra manpower to carry shit over the shoulders for hundreds of miles

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More men, for logistics. You know they aren't sending 300k combat troops to the frontline? Please say that you know that.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.55262306
    And if not?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No.55261990
      Republicans WILL take back the house

      Funding for hohols WILL be blocked

      /k/opers WILL rope

      Yo vatniks. Your Putinbot is about as functional as the rest of your shit.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Putin is going to send 300,000 Russians from conservative Russia to die. They won't complain.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This thread actually made me think it might accomplish something, which is what worries me. I hope lend-lease arrives soon enough to make an impact (I'm not a vatmoron but I was hoping the Russians would collapse by Christmas):

    https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1572508552379637761

    >Commentators have suggested that the newly mobilised troops could take months to arrive. I think it might actually be quicker than that. I suspect that one of their main purposes will be to allow frontline troops to be rotated and rested for a while.

    >You also don't need to be all that well trained to defend a position. Ukraine's territorial defence forces proved that last spring in the defence of Kyiv. Russia's soldiers are poorly trained anyway, so giving new ones a couple of weeks' basic training isn't much different.

    >There is also a huge rear area - the occupation zone is the size of Portugal - where Ukrainian partisans and special forces can operate without much trouble. Again, you don't need to be well trained to man a roadblock or patrol a route.

    >Russia's crappy logistics are likely due in part to a lack of personnel to do basic things like drive trucks and handle cargos (no palletisation, as
    @TrentTelenko
    and others have noted). Using contract soldiers to do this is a waste of resources.

    tl;dr even if the conscriptniks have literally no equipment and no training they might still be able to drown the ukies as pure fodder, because even untrained losers can defend entrenched position and move ammo by hand and all that. The weight of numbers is what worries me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      absolute smoothbrain take as expected from twitter

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sending poorly trained reservists to rear areas with heavy insurgent activity
      Man that worked so well in Afghanistan

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you don't need to be well trained to man a roadblock or patrol a route.
      the cope is reaching hilarious proportions
      it's going to be a slaughterhouse (and that's a good thing!)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is an idiotic analysis for the following reasons:
      1) The author says that the point of the reservists is to rotate troops in the winter until conditions thaw in the spring. This is idiotic. Winter is exactly the time to conduct offensive operations in that part of Ukraine because the rasputitsa freezes and the temperatures are still relatively mild (~0*C). During Barbarossa large-scale operations persisted in this theater up until January and resumed in February.
      2) TDF have combat experience in Donbass, reservists don't. TDF had operational surprise, Russia doesn't. TDF had modern equipment, reservists will be lucky at this rate to have one moist nugger per two men. TDF were also defending their homes and knew the terrain very well given that they lived there. Russkis are being dragged to a foreign place that they know nothing about.
      3) lol
      4) There are no logistics companies. The old Soviet military infrastructure envisioned conscriptniks as ground pounders, not in specialty roles like logistics. They had dedicated railway brigades for that reason.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good points. I was genuinely wondering, I guess it serves me right for paying too much attention to a twittermoron.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They might be able to defend taken areas, but I doubt they will be the ones making any gains.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You also don't need to be all that well trained to defend a position.
      >no training
      >no motivation
      >no gear
      we're about to see some next-level abandooning

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is an idiotic analysis for the following reasons:
      1) The author says that the point of the reservists is to rotate troops in the winter until conditions thaw in the spring. This is idiotic. Winter is exactly the time to conduct offensive operations in that part of Ukraine because the rasputitsa freezes and the temperatures are still relatively mild (~0*C). During Barbarossa large-scale operations persisted in this theater up until January and resumed in February.
      2) TDF have combat experience in Donbass, reservists don't. TDF had operational surprise, Russia doesn't. TDF had modern equipment, reservists will be lucky at this rate to have one moist nugger per two men. TDF were also defending their homes and knew the terrain very well given that they lived there. Russkis are being dragged to a foreign place that they know nothing about.
      3) lol
      4) There are no logistics companies. The old Soviet military infrastructure envisioned conscriptniks as ground pounders, not in specialty roles like logistics. They had dedicated railway brigades for that reason.

      It's not going to help. First of all, the Ukies are probably laughing because 300k is *less* than what they've already drawn up since their own mobilization. They went full mobilization five months ago, and have had time to train 5+ batches of conscripts, all properly armed with rifles, helmets, armor, radios and grenades. More and more tanks are on the way.
      Meanwhile, the Russians are getting down to 7.62 rifles and T-62s.
      It's looking bad and getting worse. There is no relief for the Russians. There are no new rifles, missiles or tanks coming. The weapon quality will continue to nosedive as they reach back further into cold storage.
      How does Russia even intend to fight?

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, this isn't intended to shape the frontlines, it's a purported delay tactic. We've already gone over their utter and incredible lack of equipment and resources, and how marching troops across the border is just getting them slaughtered.

    This imbecile still thinks winter will ravage Europe without Russian gas somehow, even though gas reserves for it are already at 90% and rising, and it's posed to be one of the warmest winters in recent history. Even at this point, he is still being fed misconstrued intel and he's too fuckdumb to double check.

    This is a fuckup on the level of the invasion itself. Here's hoping Russians find their balls finally and give this retarded midget the Gaddafi special.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it can, instead of ukraine retaking its own territory it will allow ukraine to take snow nigerian territory, which historically belongs to them anyway.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a smart idea for russians: Just buy some drugs and let yourself get arrested by a cop for possession. Nobody wants a possible junkie in the military, you won't be sent to the camps for politicals and once you get out Putin might as well be lynched already.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a month's time Prigozhin will turn up at the prisons again and he won't be asking anymore by then.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your mistake is thinking that with Russia's drug problems their military isn't already full of hopheads.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a question about this mobilization, what does the title of "contractor" entail? Do these guys' families at least get a pension if they get smoked while serving abroad?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do these guys' families at least get a pension if they get smoked while serving abroad?
      Only if the guy gets his corpse recovered and the command does not just throw it straight into 'russian ambulance' to save the paperwork and money. "Missing in Action", and the family gets labelled with 'Family of Deserter' and their benefits and housing confiscated.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can Russian mobilization actually turn the tide?
    no. fwiw, ukraine demonstrated last night that they could wreck lipetsk, which is the rail hub south of moscow that supplies the entire fucking special operation from lyman to velyka oleksandrivka.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Huh, it's legit. Any further info on this?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        [...]
        [...]

        It's still burning this morning and I've not yet seen anything about it.

        It's NLMK steel mill. It SHOULD look like hell let loose when observed from IR sat, no ukie strikes required.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lipetsk
      >300km from border
      HOW
      also
      WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good question, either the US gave them the long range missiles or Ukraine has been some high speed low drag shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        air defence, never heard of her
        t. smoker

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I require some proofs

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#t:adv;m:tsd;d:7days;@39.7,52.6,12z
        it feels quite a bit too Hispanicy in the last 24h for it to be an accident, but then there seems to be no hype on social media, as well

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Huh, it's legit. Any further info on this?

      https://i.imgur.com/5olpJdj.png

      >lipetsk
      >300km from border
      HOW
      also
      WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING

      I require some proofs

      It's still burning this morning and I've not yet seen anything about it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#t:adv;m:tsd;d:7days;@39.7,52.6,12z
      it feels quite a bit too Hispanicy in the last 24h for it to be an accident, but then there seems to be no hype on social media, as well

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]

      It's still burning this morning and I've not yet seen anything about it.

      rolling the clock back on that site using the "historical" function shows similar red splotches over the same areas even back to before the 2022 invasion, highly likely it is just exhaust smoke from the heavy industries surrounding the railyard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the NLMK steel mill. It's one of their largest steel producers. The whole plant is huge and its output is crucial for the Russian industry. We'd hear more if something were to happen over there.

      There's also an important air base nearby, IIRC.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hohol propaganda, it just blew up on its own from a cigarette. Otherwise we would have Nooked you already.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and hohols will be nuked anyway
    West are cucks will do nothing but statements of concern

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And you will be sucking cock for spare change in few months. Such is life.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >NUKES
      Every thread... Even if the initial nuke didn't spur the world into action do you really think that won't set off a massive shit storm the moment even a little fallout reaches somewhere important?

      Shit or get off the pot.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No...first you have to presume they even get the 300K men. You gotta remember Russia is the most corrupt shit hole in world. Imagine border guards at Uzbekistan and all the other 'Stans just racking up money from the draftees fleeing the country. Then what about the ones who just ignore the summons and stay home? Who are you going to send to bring these guys in? That also takes manpower and money. The police? They're just as corrupt and you can pay them off.

    They're not going to get 300K, theres just no way. But lets be generous and say they 100K...which won't happen either. How are you going to supply and feed these people? They're doomed.

    This is basically Putins hail mary to plug up the holes in the defense and pray they can make it to winter and take it from there

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not everyone in Russia can afford to live or pay away the draft.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have not been to Africa if you think Russia is the most corrupt country in the world. Or Ukraine for that matter.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a 33yo Ukrainian male. Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us? I for one don't share your enthusiasm.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It realistically isn't going to benefit the Russians that much when they don't have time to train that many soldiers and they don't have the logistics to supply all of them.

      That and it means a ton of Russians go from shitposting here to getting drafted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because there are a million people "on your side" online who can't think that maybe Russia mobilizing is bad.
      I hope you guys hold out but I'm not going to pretend this isn't bad news for you.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because they are retards
      praying for u lot

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not
      But it's bad for the russians

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mobilisation is a good thing
      Would you rather a tank be used by an experienced soldier or by a conscript that's a complete idiot and doesn't want to be there. Mobilization will pull large volumes of Russian equipment to reservists that'll get themselves killed.

      They have so many enlisted and PMCs already in country I wouldn't be surprised if the draft if just to hold the lines while the pros advance. This way draft casualties are while still getting the full benefit of the manpower.

      >just to hold the lines while the pros advance
      That requires the pros to take risk. The pros won't do that. The pros will stay safe and push the draftees in first. If the draftees get slaughtered then the pros know where to use artillery.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Для нac цe пoгaнo. Пpocтo для кaцaпiв цe щe гipшe.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us?
      more targets to shoot
      unqualified and untrained military personal
      winter
      friendly fire
      chances are higher than these retards post their positions on social media

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you doing your part for Dear Leader Zelensky? Perhaps share your rations and ammo with foreign fighters coming to help you guys out? Did you know that it is better for all Ukrainian men to fall in battle than for r*ssia take one more inch of ground? This fight is bigger than just you. It’s a fight for not just your, but OUR democracy. That’s why Ukraine must win. Good luck Ukraine anon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The fuck is this bait? Much mental buddy?
        It's either we win and I keep on being random worthless ukie or we lose and I become a russian, and God fucking forbid anyone to live even a day as moskal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its bad for ukraine, bad for ordinary russians and good for putin and his siloviki
      anyone cheering this is retarded or a vatnig

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Guess I'm retarded, and I'll continue cheering.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you win, i dont have any counter argument to that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's shit as our chances to die increase
      on the other hand, it will cause more strain for russia, and if we don't fuck up we can just see it getting balkanised and gone for good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does everyone here think that the mobilisation is a good thing for us?
      Every Ivan and Dmitry dying on the front lines in poorly maintained, rusted out, old Soviet kit isn't back in Russia getting the old Soviet kit ready for war or making new kit.

      Every Ivan or Dmitry dead on the front lines breaks the will of the guys fighting around him that much faster making routs faster and more likely and degrades the morale back home so reinforcements come in with shittier morale and Putin's that much closer to having nobody willing to fight for his ass.

      More meat for the grinder is the best way to end this war. You could take back all your fucking territory and still be stuck in a forever war if you don't kill enough Russians. And NATO won't let you join while you're at war with Russia. Russia's still technically at war with Japan from WWII. Japan isn't killing Russians. You need Russians to kill. Putin's supplying. That's a good thing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aren't you ever ashamed of your retardation?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Aren't you ever ashamed of your retardation?
          I'm not wrong. Any scenario without peace is catastrophic. Hot war. Cross border artillery war. Even armistice. Russia will just violate it as soon as they feel like they've got the hardware, just like they did with Chechnya. Ukraine NEEDS to break Russia. They need dead Russians. That's the only way into NATO which is the only way to get permanent long term security.

          Russia's gonna be forced to sink a fuckton into rebuilding their military after this. It's gonna take several years, but you don't want them coming back to use it on Ukraine.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing you have said in this post backs up your previous post.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2 weeks of training
      Lmao
      >Two more weeks
      At this rate you're gonna destroy Russia's ENTIRE tank reserve and the front will stall no matter how many millions they send to Ukraine.
      Russia is going all in, and will pay in blood, and it will collapse.

      This is Russia's Afghanistan, but worse.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      war is fun but only until your own children start dying and you actually have to fight it yourself. muscovites will soon have to die.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine the Russian female/male ratio exploding after the war.
      Being an incel will become literally impossible in the West.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In the West
        Except most of the dudes Russia is sending to die in this were from Asia, lol.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >most
          I don't think "most" is the right word, more like a disproportionate amount.
          nice digits though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's a sign that russia is at the end of the road
      trying to mobilize won't help russia militarily, but will increase the strain on their already overloaded logistics, cause more chaos, and speed up the collapse
      real humans would have started a revolution by now, but maybe even russians will start protesting

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope we dump so much tech, weapons and supplies to you guys that dealing with these raggedy vatniks becomes a walk in the park :3

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just that they are disconnected from the reality of war, even if Ukraine is winning, I can't imagine the pain and suffering needed to achieve that, war is not fun, we can't forget that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's bad for everyone but maybe this will jolt the vantniks out of being servile slaves and do something about the monkey.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a soldier that is sub-par in terms of equipment, training and motivation doesn't just not contribute as much as a skilled, motivated solider, they more often than not degrade the combat performance of a force. the us learned this the hard war in vietnam with the things like project 100000 and it's part of why they've pushed so hard for a professional volunteer force ever since.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the total implosion of Russian morale will save more lives than untrained hands take away
      >Putin: Read my lips, "no new conscription"
      some months later...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When zelensky goes on stage next he will have even better sob story for the west.
      While russia pour in retards with no gear you are getting high tech. It will even out while putting massive strain on russian internal politics/climate

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're right. It is very bad news. Mostly because it means Putin is escalating his commitment to the war, meaning a peaceful resolution is fading even further into the distance. The war is not winding down its only going to get uglier, whether that means Russia zerg rushes to victory or ukraine stacks so many orc bodies that they literally can't continue. Its a
      major lose-lose though more destruction, more death, for both sides.

      The only positive is that this is a pretty clear indication that Ukraine is "winning". Depending on how you even define that...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's bad for Russian logistics - on a modern battlefield, an uraaaaaaah charge mosin nagant armed conscript is next to worthless, but requires food, fuel, and ammo. Back when elite units like the VDV and the 1st guards tank army was alive I'd be more worried, but now, not so much. It's also an excuse for the west to escalate more equipment to Ukraine

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    depends on whether they can even mobilize

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YO

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate all the pointless death and suffering but people like her that cheer it on, yeah I hope she gets killed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek, I hope they do one of those recordings where they contact her to inform her her son is RIP'd in pieces

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm willing to turn the entire planet into a thermonuclear fuckfest just to see her getting blasted into atoms. May Ukraine march all the way to Vladivostok to call Putin's bluff and teach those retards a lesson in humility.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      women

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would've been very bad if someone reported her for slandering Mr. Putin.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she just gave her son a free ticket to the penal battalion

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You love to see it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
      >Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
      >Sneak home and pray you’ll never know
      >The hell where youth and laughter go.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rofl
      lmfao
      i hate russians

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt it's going turn the tide in and of itself but I expect it will be a significant step towards addressing the manpower shortage they've suffered since the war began. They basically needed to do something like this to have a fighting chance and will probably need further waves of mobilization down the line.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have so many enlisted and PMCs already in country I wouldn't be surprised if the draft if just to hold the lines while the pros advance. This way draft casualties are while still getting the full benefit of the manpower.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    VAT NIKS
    VAT NIKS
    WHAT YOU GONNA DO
    WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "No one lives here anymore."

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Safest place to survive a nuclear blast

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, the force of it being thrown around with you in it would peel your flesh and smash your bones.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think this is comparable to stepping out of a truck sliding down a 45 degree incline towards a cliff and digging in your heels trying to stop it

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should have done this the moment they had to retreat from Kiev
    They could have even given all the conscripts 2 or 3 months training without the frontlines moving much, and then the new forces could have participated in the offensives on lychiansk and that other city

    Now it's too late

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Why can't they draft now, train them though winter and push in the spring? Where is Ukraine going to find 300k bodies over winter?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        where is russia going to find literally anything with which to make their gormless mongs combat effective?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >give AK
          >give shovel
          >teach shoot
          >teach dig
          Now they are ready to replace the enlisted / PMCs holding defensives lines so the pros can push again.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            pffffffffffffft

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why can't they draft now, train them though winter and push in the spring?
        The last time Russia mobilized 200,000 soldiers it took them three months. That was just mobilization, no training or anything like this, which is rumored to only take two weeks anyway.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          imagine the kino of seeing russian conscripts getting blasted into oblivion

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why are they not moving ???? they are under missile attack and they take the fucking car and stay put ??? are they braindamaged ?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              missiles are blind and navigate using echolocation, if you don't move the missile will not notice you and it will fly to hit your neighbor instead

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because back then Ukraine was still rebuilding it's own army and being trained on how to use these advanced weapon systems, those extra 300k troops could have made good progress

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bodies doesn't mean much when you have fully automatic guns and missiles. This isn't ww1 where a guy with a knife can take a position. Nato isn't going to run out of bullets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      man, they should have dropped this whole thing after week one, like after the VDV kept getting splattered without success

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what's the chance that Russian people would actually rise up? Or do they plan doormatting the next 1000 years as well?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So what's the chance that Russian people would actually rise up?
      0
      The highest expression of dissent they'll display is fleeing from conscription officers
      A few of them will hold blank pieces of paper in public and then get arrested having accomplished nothing of value

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC every Russian revolution started in the military and civilians only joined after the military started fighting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they're fucking hopeless

      ghengis khan himself could literally be mobilizing them to serve as his personal banquet items and they'd say thank you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The genes of resistance, self determination and virtue, were cleansed in the gulags. A mix of keeping your head down, pretending to love your oppression even in the presence of friends and family, and falsely snitching on your neighbor quite literally became the Soviet domestic culture during the Stalin era.

      You could not find a more cowardly, nihilistic, and subservient race than the post-soviet Russians.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how could murdering all of our free thinkers ever backfire?
        if I didn't know better I would think the USSR was one big science experiment to see how fucked up you could make a formerly proud people in one human lifetime

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >formerly proud

          Don't kid yourself, they've been like this ever since Ivan the Terrible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was mostly just being polite, give the vodkamorons something to aspire to at least

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If I had a time machine and one bullet, Pushkin would receive it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > USSR
          > formerly proud people in one human lifetime
          One lifetime?
          How about one millennium?
          > let's rule these fuckers with, uh, any ideas?
          > a crazy monk?
          > love it! keep coming
          > a hemopheliac?
          > brilliant, more!
          > uh, a really tall dude
          > ok, stronger
          > the crazy monk has a XBOX HUEG cock
          > good!
          > mix in a crazy ass brand of economics?
          > like what?
          > uh, that guy in austria has some fucked up ideas.
          > good!
          > and a string of neurotic, crazy, vindictive, murderous despots
          > write it up. This is gonna draw dimes.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do they have supplies for them tho?
    how long until they run out of heavy machinery?
    didn't their "proffesional" army lacked armor plates and other basic stuff?
    isn't sending only infantry without support stupid?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the hell is that thing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shoigu's personal ride

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MT-LB with some special applique armor.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just a few days ago I warned you people that you had better lay off the bullshit about Russia not mobilizing. I warned you that if there WAS a mobilization then you'd look like fools.

    And here we are.

    Hey, you fucking trash, why aren't you prancing around declaring Putin can't mobilize? Didn't your e-celeb propaganda outlet explain that Russia couldn't mobilize because of severe population issues, lack of logistics to support them and so on? Hey where did you guys go? Is it not fun to signal about that anymore?

    Or are you drawing up an apology for listening exclusively to a propaganda echo chamber? If so please take your time we aren't going anywhere.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want to see them try to """""mobilize""""". Announcements ain't worth moron cock.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you sure "they're lying" is the narrative you want to go with? Do you understand that if Zelensky or someone in the Pentagon or any other outside observer backs it up that you're just going to look like a fool?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Are you sure "they're lying" is the narrative you want to go with?
          Considering that Russia is spouting nothing BUT lies, why not?
          >muh appeal to authority

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WAS a mobilization then you'd look like fools
      Russian mobilization is absolute Christmas. Imagine the videos we'll see in December. Anyone rational would have done this on day 2 or day 3. To mobilize now puts Russia in a terrible spot. The only conclusion is that Putin doesn't expect this to help but expects to take some political pressure off for a bit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh no, they're going to throw more people at the problem with their supply lines under missile fire that they cannot counter all while ukraine is slated to get even more gear
      anyway...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >expecting the Polskie Siły Obrony Internetu to do anything besides double down

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        weź spierdalaj do rosji jak tak ją kochasz, zdrajco

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Called it. The most psychotic takes on the war tend to come from Polish posters.

          Flags when?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            theyre enabled back on the board you came here from. you should go back there

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I fucking said he would even though it was a dumb idea
      I wanted him to do it
      May the sharks come to the smell of blood in the water and tear this faux empire to shreds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hey, you fucking trash, why aren't you prancing around declaring Putin can't mobilize? Didn't your e-celeb propaganda outlet explain that Russia couldn't mobilize because of severe population issues, lack of logistics to support them and so on? Hey where did you guys go? Is it not fun to signal about that anymore?
      none of this has gone away and it's literally the beginning of the end for the russian army.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, as always the argument that Putin/Russia won't do something because it would be retarded fails due to the fact Putin and the Russia people are themselves retarded.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably not. We're going to see the frontline stabilize, and another 6 months of stalemate and ~100k dead 55k Russian-45k Ukrainian, and several times that wounded in similar proportion. The main factor is how much general inflation and self-inflicted sanctions are going to hurt Western Europe and change their appetite for continuing the war, instead of making Zelensky surrender. American elections really don't matter, since both parties want to bankroll and dump weapons on Ukraine.

    If you expect anything other than an unsatisfying (unsatisfying to Ukraine because they're realistically losing more territory, unsatisfying to Russia because of the price of those miles) draw, you're some sort of shill - be it Russian, Ukrainian, or NATO. Nobody is going to be happy with the peace terms, and we're going to be questioning the wisdom of this whole ordeal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the russians will certainly find it difficult to find the terms acceptable as they will be dead

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've never understood why people like you always come out of the woodwork when someone's getting attacked and talk about how the best way for the victim to stop the assault is to just lay over and give the attacker what they want.

      Btw, it's not going to be a stalemate. The Russian forces around Kherson are going to get bombed into the fucking stone age the moment winter sets in and they can't move, and you're going to lose 15k+ troops there alone.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What on Earth are you talking about? Bombing them back to the stone age...with their 20 sorties a day? Against Russia's 200 sorties a day? Did Ukraine have a giant air fleet no one knew about until just now?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post bridges.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >200 sorties

          lol

          on Garmin GPS's inside fighter jets lmao

          sure

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Against Russia's 200 sorties a day?

          Weird, I don't see the jets.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russia's 200 sorties a day
          They're not still flying 200 sorties a day, anon. That estimate was made in early March and the last six months have not been kind to the Russian Air Force.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've never understood why people like you always come out of the woodwork when someone's getting attacked and talk about how the best way for the victim to stop the assault is to just lay over and give the attacker what they want.
        First of all, if Russia had gotten what they wanted, they would have had tanks in Maidan Square in March. Now, they can't hope for much more than a land bridge to Crimea. That's already a big L for Russia.

        Second of all, obviously. A weaker nation often finds itself in the Melian dilemna where they can choose surrender with dignity, or total loss. A weaker party should take the offer to surrender with dignity on some of their own terms, because a protracted conflict does not favor them. Put another way, it's better to tap out than have your arm broken.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A weaker nation often finds itself in the Melian dilemna where they can choose surrender with dignity, or total loss.
          Strange that you focus on establishing a parallel with the Melians, but forget about establishing the maybe all too apt parallel with the Spartans... :^)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A weaker nation
          Ukraine and Russia are peer to peer retard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ukraine and Russia are peer to peer retard
            >implying
            Russia wishes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This "special" operation has been a real eye opener hasn't it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At an individual level, sure. I would even give the Ukrainians a pound for pound advantage; let's say they fight as well as 1.2-1.5 Russians. However, there are about 4x as many Russian fighting-age men. And the biggest successes have been where Ukraine has mustered a localized numerical advantage. With more troops in theater, these mismatches should be harder to create and Ukrainian territorial gains are likely to slow, if not reverse.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Counterpoint: Doubling/tripling the number of Russian fighters in country is doubling/tripling the ammo consumption.

              While Ukraine gets more HIMARs online, while Ukraine shreds more Russian air defenses so their drones and aircraft can operate with impunity, while Ukraine STILL has vision on every single Russian ammo depot thanks to NATO intel.

              Russia is ALREADY firing less than 1/8th the artillery they were initially when they switched to massed artillery as a strategy to keep the Ukrainians at bay because they're running out of ammo and can't stock replacements anywhere near the fucking front line cause it keeps getting blown up.

              Putting more hands on more weapons in theater doesn't do you any good if you can't get those weapons ammo any faster. It actually puts Russian positions at risk of burning through their own stocks by accident and being forced to fall back. That would be catastrophic because massed artillery is their front line strategy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Doubling/tripling the number of Russian fighters in country is doubling/tripling the ammo consumption.
                False.
                Your proposition is only true if each new Russian body is spaced apart.
                HIMAR doesn't care if one Russian or 5 russians or 10 russians are standing in the blast radius.
                > they all 'asplode
                Your point about Russian running out of consumables is spot on. And it's a huge take away.
                > Arsenal of Democracy is no more
                > stockpile your shit now
                > stack it deep
                > stack more
                > logistics matter
                > indigenous production matters

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah. putin will totally shift the country into totallenkrieg, mobilize 2 million men and build a thousand T-14's/year.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just imagine the BRUTAL VOGGINGS when the conscripts start pouring in. Bombing donbabweans already looked a bit like tormenting homeless people, I hope it gets much worse.
    May the ukie drone operator zoomers never run out of grenades

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God is not on Russia's side.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it only turns 1-1.5 year war into 3-5 year war

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because they didn't even fully commit. They're still half-assing it, which means more losses, less equipment, and a population which will now feel the direct effects of the war (and enough are still home to begin voicing and showing their dissatisfaction. Sure, a few can be Gulag'd, but threaten everyone with the firing line or prison...unrest begins to build.)

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the announced 300k reservists are just to plug the gap and prevent further ukrainian advances and humiliations.
    it will take atleast a few months until they are able to attack again on significant scale

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, there are so many other problems with the Russian Army from training to material and logistics issues, to the fucking organization of it all.

    This is just more chum in the water, and it's just going to stir up more sharks to come for Putin and his "empire."

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BTW has anybody been tracking how many general mobilizations have been activated in Ukraine? Five?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how many general mobilization
      Because a wise man mobilizes early and often. A dumb one wait until it's far too late to change things and just causes more bloodshed.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Russia will go from losing quickly to losing with all rapidity.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's not going to be drafted, is he?

    I have to protect him

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a boy? WOW globohomo won't let me have access to the finest trannies, I hate the west!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      don't lie to me, this is clearly a real woman

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Blondelashes19 and he's super pretty but the magic kind of fades after you see him excrete an entire hot dog onto a bun, then daintily eat it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wtf

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's the whore that's been selling her gaymer bathtub water
          I fucking wish femboys looked like that

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it doesn't matter, anyone who thinks it matters has just been deluded by their genes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >russian chud imitates a garden gnome whore from America
      How can one nation even be this buck broken? They can't even come up with their own porn.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is he a russian?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          kek

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we've been telling you Russia is one of the chud capitals...

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is he a russian?

            He's literally the only thing of value to come from that country in a century

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/ifhHxA7.jpg

        [...]
        He's literally the only thing of value to come from that country in a century

        Blondelashes is like half inuit and lives in the ass end of Russia in the northern eastern edge of it close to the US. I doubt she (lel) was a conscript or served in the last 10 years or so so I doubt it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pls don't, he cute

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He must or globohomo will win

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He’s going to be drafted and get raped daily until he gets yeeted by a soviet mortar dropped from a chinese drone and recorded in 4k for us. It will be his finest livestream.

      You will do nothing and let it happen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >3d printed whore shoes
      what a time to be alive

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blondelashes19 and he's super pretty but the magic kind of fades after you see him excrete an entire hot dog onto a bun, then daintily eat it

      I don't understand the world i live in. I don't understand it at all.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kacap bois...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw no conscript femboy POW-war bride

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >russians transition en masse and get sold to the west as cheap whores together with their women
      Win-win.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Why are the hohols laughing? I demand an explanation, why are the hohols laughing when we're fucking mobilizing?"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fug, wrong screen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ASB Military News
      This does not bode well for Russia.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You fucking Ukrainian Bandits are going to get it now! Russia got you fuckers dead to rice! Russia already destroyed half your army and barely lost any troops, now they sending in 300k elite fresh troop which will be enough to secure all of the borders and territory for Russia. This was always the plan motherfuckers! This is phase 2! You had to push push push and now look where it has gotten you! They are about to put on an asswhopping that even Ukrainian whores are not able to take off!

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tfw no Russian widow gf

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      damn, russian bitches have low standards

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's just Russia man, all the chicks are hot and all the guys are mongers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >artificially large lips full of filler
          >9001 layers of makeup
          >face incapable of expressions other than bored and disgusted
          >soulless eyes
          you call this hot? these are carnivorous bitches incapable of love that only care about money. i wouldn't go within HIMARS strike distance from her.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're pretty damn fugly themselves

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know, it's great

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every experience Ive had with russian women has left me thinking they are soulless whores incapable of loving anything and anyone save themselves and money. Its genuinely weird how easily they think of selling off their body at the drop of a hat. I mean, yeah sure Ukrainian and slavic women in general tend to be like that for some reason but russian ones really go above and beyond in being whores

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is what generation upon generation for hundreds of years of rape does to a "human" being's mind. Russia exists in a perpetual state of seeing the world through the lens of gay rape and prostitution.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought Russia had to declare war in order to have any mobilization

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's still a fake mobilization. Under the new plan they'll still "only" be conscripting from recently retired servicemen and active duty servicemen who had previously refused "voluntary" Ukraine deployments

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a shit. On one side you've got gay rights and on the other you've got prison time for calling out the garden gnomes.
    Fuck them both.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What has any gay person ever done wrong to you ever?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ignoring him, probably.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe.... I mean 300k is a lot of soldiers by any metric. But can they realistically mobilize 300k more armored weapons to actually conduct maneuvers for offensive operations

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ivan's right now

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe. but if morale is still dogshit and all the memes about god awful supplies are 100% true, probably not.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    this board popularized the insult "slavshit", newfag tourist

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this board popularized the insult "slavshit",
      this. I never not mocked slavshit and this whole war is like one massive vidication for years.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russians are cooking in the cauldron

    The ingredients are their own men. Slow cooking.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you people are so far gone and schizophrenic that theres no need to even try to talk to you. Fuck russia

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    PrepHole has always been anti-vatnik, 4chantard. Fuck off back to your containment board.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i am impressed that PrepHole has been able to hold off the 4chantards. /v/ is basically 4chan2, PrepHole has to deal with every single fucking day and PrepHole-PrepHole is the one that hurts me the most because it is now mostly fille with ur-paganism pseudoscience BS most of the time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the influx of unironic Biden supporters hasn't been worth it, though

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you jest but i rather shitting on neolibs pretending to have a moral highground. Than to deal with the same bullshit 4chan regurgitates constantly on our throats, because they all act like sheep.
          It's so fucking tiring.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you jest
            There's a moron who dumps a "NATOwave/Dark Brandon" folder here every day, in case you missed him

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              oh dude you have not met barneyfag, it's important to actually learn to ignore baits and lolcows. They waste your time and emotional stamina.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The trick is the guns, weapons autism is an amazingly effective shibboleth

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        PrepHole is the one that hurts me most too, anon. I just want to talk about rockets and futurism without some cynic fuck jacking off about how only duh wites deserve to make it to space.

        [...]
        >Putin is giving me money and weapons! He clearly believes in my cause! I need him!
        How easily the wignat is purchased.

        Well they ARE ideologue whores, anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mostly because this board's regulars were more or less completely displaced and replaced by offsiters when this shithole conflict started.
        People on here were absolutely seething when regulars told them to post their guns or fuck off.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2006 here. Ironically I had almost stopped coming entirely until the war started. Now I'm remembering why I was ever here at all, and how long I've waited for such a war.

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not with 2 weeks of training it can't. With that kind of training you're not getting artillerymen, or pilots, or tank operators. You're getting literal meat slabs. With enough RPG's they could slog an offensive I guess. But oof. No it's not going to be good for them.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you support Ukraine you are an anti-white gnomish shill

    Russia is the #1 financier of international white nationalism

    If Russia collapses, the white race is finished for good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no you false flag gay
      russia is as WN as the ADL, their entire propaganda line revolves around "punch nazis"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I didn’t say Russia is WN

        I said they’re it’s #1 supporter

        America isn’t fascist but we supported fascists all across Latin America to fight the commies

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          russia will support anything that could be disruptive inside enemy nations, they also brutally crush white identity at home
          putin is crypto communist with globalist ambitions, you shouldnt support him or want his support if you value the nation

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >russia will support anything that could be disruptive inside enemy nations
            this is what was akshually in the mueller report mind you. everyone ignored it especially the ones who talked about mueller the most.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But russia is also the number 1 financier of anti white racism. They also fund global warming bullshit and black lives matter.
      Maybe they're only in it for themselves and just trying shitty up other people's countries by spreading division. Have you considered that their supposed help is actually counter productive?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty stupid to have fucked themselves for good by starting this war then isn't it, you should hate Russia too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Putin is the ultimate ally to Globohomozation
      There is a reason his best friends are among the subhuman races and he doesn't permit any antisemitism or anti-race mixing in his country

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia is the only nation funding neo-nazi movements, meanwhile the US and Europe has been appeasing morons and non-whites since before WW2 you fucking braindead retard.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia is the #1 financier of international white nationalism
      Israel is retard, who else supported SA and Rhodesia?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't tell if bait or true 4chancel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >9 randos from the internet
        Meanwhile the president of US is kneeling for morons while Russia backs neo-nazi movements in Europe that are actively bombing rapefugee centers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you support Ukraine you are an anti-white gnomish shill

          Russia is the #1 financier of international white nationalism

          If Russia collapses, the white race is finished for good

          >Putin is giving me money and weapons! He clearly believes in my cause! I need him!
          How easily the wignat is purchased.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia also funds a load of far left groups as well. Their goal is not to push an idea, it's to destabilize the west you dumb fuck.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >puccia
      >White
      Loving every laugh

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, mobilization means that other military's will step in.

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, lol. We've seen that bodies are not the bottleneck for Russia

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, what will be the wojak meme when Ukraine will HIMARS a train full of concripts on russian grounds?

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is basically just what everyone witness with Russians anywhere.

    >Vatnik can't stop talking how great Putin and Russia is
    >Cool... then why don't you return to Russia?
    >No... well... you see

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      image to help people better understand.

      Not all russian folks are vatniks, but unfortunately some have family in russia who are.

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It will increase the tide of Russian corpses.

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its more likely going to make things worse to be honest.

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Forcibly making people fight a war they don't want to fight with 2 weeks of training

    Yeah that's a big nope chief.

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    well, as we can see, there are tides of young russian men scrambling for finland. So yes, in a fashion.

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