If you have to ask, no probably not. They're an extremely niche bit of kit designed for specific backcountry whitewater that isn't accessible by normal means.
>Are they any good in the sea
fuck no, absolutely not.
>I want to be able to take it abroad
What are your intended uses for this watercraft at home and abroad?
>Is it worth it?
Pretty much not, the only reasonable use i ever saw anyone have for those was for aquatic birds photography. Bumming around on a lake in a windless day might work too. Other than that they are more useless than anything else. >Are they any good in the sea?
If you want to die, sure. If you want to actually get somewhere, nope.
>I want to be able to take it abroad
Somehow i suspect renting a kayak/canoe at the destination will be cheaper than the baggage extra you will pay for blowie-dinghy there.
It took you months to scrape up the money to buy a packraft, and you know nothing about boating. Par for the course on this board, really.
If you Google "ocean packraft" or "UL Alaska packraft fatalities" you'll see that it's a terrible idea, for many reasons, but one of those reasons is that packrafts are slow as fuck, several times slower than a kayak and harder to maneuver as well, nor suited to cutting through waves (and if you're not cutting into them, they're smacking into you). It's actually not a great idea to use a packraft for anything at all, but sometimes they're the only thing you can lug to where you're going.
If you thought that a $700 pocket boat was your ticket to boat literally everywhere, think again. Sitting at home in your $3,000/mo. San Francisco efficiency pod in California it all seems to work fine I'm sure, but reality is a different animal. In a good kayak paddling hellbent for leather against a stiff breeze in even a small lake, it will seem to take forever to creep to the far shoreline. The ocean is way, way more energetic and vast than that.
Get a kayak first, say a nice, stable sit-on-top fishing kayak, do some lakes and easy stretches of rivers. Avoid whitewater.
>Going to leave it and just get a canoe when I can drive
The Inuit, Aleut, and Yu'pik.peoples (AKA the most badass PrepHoleists ever to exist) invented the kayak for a reason, anon, and the reason is that they really, really, really needed it.
Therefore to this day the ocean kayak remains the best muscle-powered, single- or several-occupant oceangoing craft available on Earth, able to go where absolutely no other tub toy can.
>Therefore to this day the ocean kayak remains the best muscle-powered, single- or several-occupant oceangoing craft available on Earth, able to go where absolutely no other tub toy can.
Worth noting that a canoe beats a kayak for pretty much every purpose except going out to sea. In every other situation people preferentially used canoes.
well, the type of "kayak" he's talking about is very similar to a canoe in a lot of ways anyways. they are sit inside with enough space for water to fill up and sink it, because they didn't have bulkhead floatation. the only thing a kayak(specifically a sit-on-top) is superior at is the ability to take on water and not care. you can get on and off of it easier out in the water too if you needed to.
>canoes are fucking trash for everything
Nah. Canoes are simpler, lighter, and less expensive than comparable kayaks. Also, they carry substantially more weight and passengers than any comparably-classed kayak due to their gunwales and draft. The draft isn't so much deeper as to significantly increase the odds of running aground.
If you're forever alone like most people on this board then a canoe (or a rowboat, as they're fairly similar; you can install oarlocks onto a canoe, that's not inherent trait of rowboats) is relatively useless. It's an affordable family, small-cargo, and general-purpose recreational boat, basically. It was once used for serious business. A kayak will always be better for a lone outdoorsman or sportsman.
Grummans are absolute tanks but goddamn their turn radius is like half a mile, can get some good speed on a keeled boat though
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if it's not a windy day, I can just sit in the back seat and have the front lift up out of the water, pivots on a dime that way. and yeah, you can get up to speed and it's just glides like it's on ice for a long time. I kick myself for not buying the ones I see on craigslist here and there for like $300. they aren't as commonly listed these days like they used to be, but talk about bang for buck.
>the sea
Get a boat.
I can't legally drive, and I want to be able to take it abroad
>Is it worth it?
If you have to ask, no probably not. They're an extremely niche bit of kit designed for specific backcountry whitewater that isn't accessible by normal means.
>Are they any good in the sea
fuck no, absolutely not.
>I want to be able to take it abroad
What are your intended uses for this watercraft at home and abroad?
> abroad
how is that gonna go on a plane? be real here. get a sea kayak.
>Is it worth it?
Pretty much not, the only reasonable use i ever saw anyone have for those was for aquatic birds photography. Bumming around on a lake in a windless day might work too. Other than that they are more useless than anything else.
>Are they any good in the sea?
If you want to die, sure. If you want to actually get somewhere, nope.
>I want to be able to take it abroad
Somehow i suspect renting a kayak/canoe at the destination will be cheaper than the baggage extra you will pay for blowie-dinghy there.
Just get a canoe
>canoe in the sea
maybe if there's an outrigger
ive taken it in the fjords and close to shore, you would be monumentally stupid to take a small watercraft on the open ocean
>monumentally stupid
Or Samoan
It took you months to scrape up the money to buy a packraft, and you know nothing about boating. Par for the course on this board, really.
If you Google "ocean packraft" or "UL Alaska packraft fatalities" you'll see that it's a terrible idea, for many reasons, but one of those reasons is that packrafts are slow as fuck, several times slower than a kayak and harder to maneuver as well, nor suited to cutting through waves (and if you're not cutting into them, they're smacking into you). It's actually not a great idea to use a packraft for anything at all, but sometimes they're the only thing you can lug to where you're going.
If you thought that a $700 pocket boat was your ticket to boat literally everywhere, think again. Sitting at home in your $3,000/mo. San Francisco efficiency pod in California it all seems to work fine I'm sure, but reality is a different animal. In a good kayak paddling hellbent for leather against a stiff breeze in even a small lake, it will seem to take forever to creep to the far shoreline. The ocean is way, way more energetic and vast than that.
Get a kayak first, say a nice, stable sit-on-top fishing kayak, do some lakes and easy stretches of rivers. Avoid whitewater.
wear a life jacket
Thanks for the advice.
Only info I found online was reddit-tier. Going to leave it and just get a canoe when I can drive
canoe in the sea = taking on water and drowning. get a sea kayak. that's coming from someone who owns a canoe, but I use it in freshwater.
>Going to leave it and just get a canoe when I can drive
The Inuit, Aleut, and Yu'pik.peoples (AKA the most badass PrepHoleists ever to exist) invented the kayak for a reason, anon, and the reason is that they really, really, really needed it.
Therefore to this day the ocean kayak remains the best muscle-powered, single- or several-occupant oceangoing craft available on Earth, able to go where absolutely no other tub toy can.
>Therefore to this day the ocean kayak remains the best muscle-powered, single- or several-occupant oceangoing craft available on Earth, able to go where absolutely no other tub toy can.
Worth noting that a canoe beats a kayak for pretty much every purpose except going out to sea. In every other situation people preferentially used canoes.
well, the type of "kayak" he's talking about is very similar to a canoe in a lot of ways anyways. they are sit inside with enough space for water to fill up and sink it, because they didn't have bulkhead floatation. the only thing a kayak(specifically a sit-on-top) is superior at is the ability to take on water and not care. you can get on and off of it easier out in the water too if you needed to.
canoes are fucking trash for everything
>canoes are fucking trash for everything
Nah. Canoes are simpler, lighter, and less expensive than comparable kayaks. Also, they carry substantially more weight and passengers than any comparably-classed kayak due to their gunwales and draft. The draft isn't so much deeper as to significantly increase the odds of running aground.
If you're forever alone like most people on this board then a canoe (or a rowboat, as they're fairly similar; you can install oarlocks onto a canoe, that's not inherent trait of rowboats) is relatively useless. It's an affordable family, small-cargo, and general-purpose recreational boat, basically. It was once used for serious business. A kayak will always be better for a lone outdoorsman or sportsman.
yeah. for two(or more) people, a canoe is WAY better than 99% of tandem kayaks. especially if you get a 15ft or longer.
>If you're forever alone like most people on this board
F-fuck you I'm just waiting for Mrs. Right.
idk man, my father in law has a canoe that he uses to go fishing after work every friday and uses it even on his own
you can anchor them out on the water and sleep in them like a tent. pic rel is a 17 footer stretch limo.
Grummans are absolute tanks but goddamn their turn radius is like half a mile, can get some good speed on a keeled boat though
if it's not a windy day, I can just sit in the back seat and have the front lift up out of the water, pivots on a dime that way. and yeah, you can get up to speed and it's just glides like it's on ice for a long time. I kick myself for not buying the ones I see on craigslist here and there for like $300. they aren't as commonly listed these days like they used to be, but talk about bang for buck.
>in the sea
Is this a serious question? wtf bro no.
They are absolutely worth it, but not so much in the sea.
it's an inflatable but made of more packable materials. it's nice
>Are they any good in the sea?
along the shore on a calm summer day, yes. at open sea/the ocean fuck no.
Of course it's worth it, i find tiny stuff that you could work on cooler than the actual normal sized ones. Go for it.
>Are they any good in the sea?
yeah it will be great go for it