This guy forgot to add >It came from an era where they almost didn't issue it to ordinary infantry, because they feared they were too retarded to operate them. It came from an era where the cavalry thought racking the slide might spook the horses, but shooting a .45 above their head was apparently a non-concern.
Half the design features of the 1911 were from the different branches coming up with mind numbingly retarded complaints based off their officers constant bitching.
Not gonna pay 1-2k for a single stack that isn't even a magnum cartridge. Tell colt to quit being gays and make their 1911s cheap again, THEN I'll consider it.
Damn right brother! The decline in America began when we departed from GOD’S CALIBER .45 and started issuing the Nahtzee, sissy, limp wrist 9mm. Disgusting and embarrassing.
It met the requirements. You should know that whenever someone says 'weapon of war' and you cringe, that you do so because the military's usually behind the commercial curve in small arms. >why did the military adopt this-
It doesn't matter. HK is an exception to this rule.
SIG Sauer Releases Safety Bulletin On Unintentional Discharges (its the holsters fault)
https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/safety-bulletin-light-bearing-holsters-for-pistols
NEWINGTON, N.H., (September 7, 2023) – SIG SAUER is reminding consumers about the risks associated with the use of light-bearing holsters, which have been involved in a number of alleged unintentional discharge incidents. Due to the large openings in these holster designs around the trigger (necessary for accommodating the bezels of attached weapon lights), fingers or foreign objects may be able to enter these holsters and contact the trigger. This vulnerability may be exacerbated by the use of a light-bearing holster without a compatible weapon light attached.
Placement of a firearm in a holster does not relieve the user from the requirements of proper trigger discipline, and safe firearms handling practices.
Selection of a proper holster is the responsibility of the user and special care must be taken to ensure a chosen holster complements safe handling practices (including adequate trigger protection) and other philosophy of use considerations. Holster manufacturers routinely publish warnings about the vulnerabilities of light-bearing holsters, including warnings printed directly in the manuals for these products, and stand-alone bulletins. Examples are reproduced below. If you choose to use a light-bearing holster with your firearm, you should review these warnings closely and ensure the additional risks are acceptable given your intended use.
Reminder:
Pretty much EVERY military issue gun has had some "teething problems".
Even the beloved Beretta M9 had several cases of "the gun is garbage and unsafe, and military is covering it up!" claims made about it. Often after the first few years in service they have had lot more experience with the said gun (whatever it may be) and some problems do arise which were not picked up on testing phase. And then they are found out to be either too insignificant or that they can be overcome with training, or they get fixed by the supplier, possibly issuing a new version of the said gun.
https://www.gao.gov/products/t-nsiad-88-46
This is pretty much more a rule rather than exception in military matters. Especially when switching from one "tried and true" weapon system (which had it's own share of problem in the early years too) to "new and unfamiliar" replacement.
Don't get your panties twisted because of it.
Never thought I'd see the day people were praising the M9 Beretta as some fantastic pistol. Everyone hated it when it was replacing the beloved M1911.
These days insisting on 9mm just because its NATO standard is stupid. Military use of submachine guns is now so rare that 9mm ammunition hardly factors into the big logistics picture so the US would hardly have any trouble supplying enough .40, .45, or 10mm. If you really buy into the arguments the 9mm devotees make go to 5.7mm instead.
M9s were worn out. Inconsistent trigger pull is a problem for troops that don't get to train (airmen, sailors, pogs, etc). DoD wanted to try one of these newfangled plastic striker pistol because lower cost and consistent trigger. But Privates are gonna be privates and some dumb ass will figure out a way to break plastic. Modular fixes that. Break grip, replace. Easy. Sig P320 with a manual safety was really the only game in town.
Beretta submitted the APX which also met the requirements and is a better pistol. But I guess they were on the Army's shit list after trying to pull the M9A3 stealth upgrade.
Sig is run by a garden gnome
https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/former-nato-afghanistan-commander-general-scott-miller-joins-sig-sauer
Because we abandoned the best pistol to ever grace man.
>outdated
It is a semi-automatic handgun, just like the other options here.
The sig pistol is really not that different in form or function.
But the 1911 is my preference for several reasons:
>Natural, ergonomic design and simple
>Bigass, juicy caliber for reliable perforation
>Classic American weapon and national symbol
The ammunition is not hard to find.
It just feels good and solid, simple and strong.
Any handgun would get the job done, but you have to use one.
>Any handgun would get the job done, but you have to use one.
A handgun is also a sidearm, not a primary arm.
Typically a backup weapon and a defensive weapon.
>Typically a backup weapon and a defensive weapon.
In organized warfare, not law enforcement or blastin hogs on foot with pistols from the hip.
This guy forgot to add
>It came from an era where they almost didn't issue it to ordinary infantry, because they feared they were too retarded to operate them. It came from an era where the cavalry thought racking the slide might spook the horses, but shooting a .45 above their head was apparently a non-concern.
Half the design features of the 1911 were from the different branches coming up with mind numbingly retarded complaints based off their officers constant bitching.
>In this household, we don't dial 911, we dial 1911
>they don't make em like they used to
>posted from Samsung Galaxy S20 via Taptalk
Theyre so good to shoot.
Not gonna pay 1-2k for a single stack that isn't even a magnum cartridge. Tell colt to quit being gays and make their 1911s cheap again, THEN I'll consider it.
Colt makes a 1911 in 10mm, and there is another one that makes one in .357 Magnum.
Damn right brother! The decline in America began when we departed from GOD’S CALIBER .45 and started issuing the Nahtzee, sissy, limp wrist 9mm. Disgusting and embarrassing.
money
It met the requirements. You should know that whenever someone says 'weapon of war' and you cringe, that you do so because the military's usually behind the commercial curve in small arms.
>why did the military adopt this-
It doesn't matter. HK is an exception to this rule.
It was down selected along with the Glock entry. Before the product varification testing could be done, the Army selected the M17/18.
The speculation is that price was significantly lower for the Sig then the Glock, so it was chosen.
Lowest bidder, basically.
One of the requirements was that the pistol be modular. Glock was out of the running right out of the gate.
SIG Sauer Releases Safety Bulletin On Unintentional Discharges (its the holsters fault)
https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/safety-bulletin-light-bearing-holsters-for-pistols
NEWINGTON, N.H., (September 7, 2023) – SIG SAUER is reminding consumers about the risks associated with the use of light-bearing holsters, which have been involved in a number of alleged unintentional discharge incidents. Due to the large openings in these holster designs around the trigger (necessary for accommodating the bezels of attached weapon lights), fingers or foreign objects may be able to enter these holsters and contact the trigger. This vulnerability may be exacerbated by the use of a light-bearing holster without a compatible weapon light attached.
Placement of a firearm in a holster does not relieve the user from the requirements of proper trigger discipline, and safe firearms handling practices.
Selection of a proper holster is the responsibility of the user and special care must be taken to ensure a chosen holster complements safe handling practices (including adequate trigger protection) and other philosophy of use considerations. Holster manufacturers routinely publish warnings about the vulnerabilities of light-bearing holsters, including warnings printed directly in the manuals for these products, and stand-alone bulletins. Examples are reproduced below. If you choose to use a light-bearing holster with your firearm, you should review these warnings closely and ensure the additional risks are acceptable given your intended use.
Blackhawk! T Series Holster Manual Warnings
SAFARILAND 7TS Series Holster Manual Warning
Siggers bought our top brass a lot of hookers and blow.
it starts with garden gnome and ends with s
garden gnomeels?
Where the garden gnome’s money flows, the Military Industrial Complex goes.
Reminder:
Pretty much EVERY military issue gun has had some "teething problems".
Even the beloved Beretta M9 had several cases of "the gun is garbage and unsafe, and military is covering it up!" claims made about it. Often after the first few years in service they have had lot more experience with the said gun (whatever it may be) and some problems do arise which were not picked up on testing phase. And then they are found out to be either too insignificant or that they can be overcome with training, or they get fixed by the supplier, possibly issuing a new version of the said gun.
https://www.gao.gov/products/t-nsiad-88-46
This is pretty much more a rule rather than exception in military matters. Especially when switching from one "tried and true" weapon system (which had it's own share of problem in the early years too) to "new and unfamiliar" replacement.
Don't get your panties twisted because of it.
Jeff Cooper: Ur-fudd.
Never thought I'd see the day people were praising the M9 Beretta as some fantastic pistol. Everyone hated it when it was replacing the beloved M1911.
These days insisting on 9mm just because its NATO standard is stupid. Military use of submachine guns is now so rare that 9mm ammunition hardly factors into the big logistics picture so the US would hardly have any trouble supplying enough .40, .45, or 10mm. If you really buy into the arguments the 9mm devotees make go to 5.7mm instead.
M9s were worn out. Inconsistent trigger pull is a problem for troops that don't get to train (airmen, sailors, pogs, etc). DoD wanted to try one of these newfangled plastic striker pistol because lower cost and consistent trigger. But Privates are gonna be privates and some dumb ass will figure out a way to break plastic. Modular fixes that. Break grip, replace. Easy. Sig P320 with a manual safety was really the only game in town.
ah, selecting for the ability to easily fix it when some grunt fucks it, plus a low price
that makes a lot of sense
Beretta submitted the APX which also met the requirements and is a better pistol. But I guess they were on the Army's shit list after trying to pull the M9A3 stealth upgrade.
>It's the bi monthly "SIGGERS!" spam thread.
Wonderful
Sig bribed, it's that simple.
Globalist garden gnomes.