What brings out these moronic noguns homosexuals and their shit opinions every thread?
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What do you think about the new Springfield Armory Hellion?
I've settled on an MDRX in 308. Trigger is really decent and I'm overall very happy with it, they have had major QC issues in general but I'm not one of those bit (so far). Do you have any comparisons in usage?
>if the MDRX can get 2moa id consider it in .308
It can, at least if you make sure DT didn't forget to actually put fricking loktite on a bunch of the screws for your fricking locking block bolts because their QC was shit. If they didn't just put it an and retorque but damn. It actually is apparently possible for it to do sub-moa though I've never done better then 1.8 and it's really picky about ammo for that. Under 2moa isn't as hard but again, I think it's pickier then actual "precision rifles". And some ammo is all the way up above 5moa. I think officially DT claims the target is 2-3 with 1-2 "reasonably feasible" but it's not really a precision gun per se.
If you want to see an absolutely utterly exhaustive report on fricking everything with more info then most would ever want you can read: >https://www.docdroid.net/LS6eOty/mdrx-308-characterization-rev-pdf#page=20
that page has one of the ammo tested list, you can see a single one managed sub, a reasonably handful was 1-2, quite a bit 2-3, and then some stuff just fricking awful. So if you get it really have to test.
I think it might be worth waiting until next year though honestly and see if they do a gen3 like rumored. They've also been doing a lot of work on finally investing in and improving their archaic QC which didn't scale from when they were a young startup.
Anyway here is an old picture of mine in its silly autism config without can or some other stuff since when I was first fricking around. It was meant to be more a simple fun thing but I ended up liking it a lot.
>I'm no newbie when it comes to guns, but those weirdo black ear things you've got up on either side near the bipod have me baffled
Called "Ryker Grips" and go along with that semi-elastic sling, they're a side forward grip. I originally thought they'd be gimmicky but since this was to be a fun experimental rifle went for it figuring could always change it, but the combo is actually surprisingly really good and comfortable/natural to use so I've kept them. Main downside is that it's not ambi so autism compelled me to put one on the other side and keep it symmetrical which is otherwise stupid. random video from way back when they first came out if you want to see it in actual action:
wouldn't recommend it for everyone same as wouldn't recommend anything I did for everyone or even most but I've enjoyed using something pretty different.
I've never seen or heard of these before, I wonder how something this weird slipped by me
1 year ago
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I'm the guy who got them and I'd never heard of them before until this year either lol. Lot of fun weird niche shit out there in the gun world, I love encountering oddball stuff that somehow never really took off.
>I'm no newbie when it comes to guns, but those weirdo black ear things you've got up on either side near the bipod have me baffled
Called "Ryker Grips" and go along with that semi-elastic sling, they're a side forward grip. I originally thought they'd be gimmicky but since this was to be a fun experimental rifle went for it figuring could always change it, but the combo is actually surprisingly really good and comfortable/natural to use so I've kept them. Main downside is that it's not ambi so autism compelled me to put one on the other side and keep it symmetrical which is otherwise stupid. random video from way back when they first came out if you want to see it in actual action:
wouldn't recommend it for everyone same as wouldn't recommend anything I did for everyone or even most but I've enjoyed using something pretty different.
It's a 0.9-1.5 moa rifle. That's the only reason I'm getting one. Lot of reviewers consistently shot within those numbers. Not bad for a semi auto let alone one with excellent features in such a compact package.
>It's a 0.9-1.5 moa rifle. That's the only reason I'm getting one. Lot of reviewers consistently shot within those numbers. Not bad for a semi auto let alone one with excellent features in such a compact package.
In my experience with it (backed by others fwiw) it will be extremely picky with ammo though to get to that and to maintain it unless it's a gun made in like the last few months you will almost certainly need to fix DT's frickup on screws and secure/retorque them properly with red loktite.
I mean, I love the gun but the QC issues were definitely real, not universal but more than one would hope at that price tag.
While everything else he said is total bulshit, the LOP on the hellion in particular is insane for a bulpup
Not unusable, just longer than any other i've held
While everything else he said is total bulshit, the LOP on the hellion in particular is insane for a bulpup
Not unusable, just longer than any other i've held
I find this hilarious since for me the LOP of the hellion, and every bullpup so far, is too damn short; and that two inches of adjustment simply doesn't cut it.
>I find this hilarious since for me the LOP of the hellion, and every bullpup so far, is too damn short; and that two inches of adjustment simply doesn't cut it.
How do you deal with normal guns, extended stock? LOP on mdrx is like 15" which is a solid 1.5" longer then a standard rifle, fits me well and is in the same range so I'd expect that part at least to be fine for anyone fine with a normal gun. Hellion is like 16-18", that's even farther. If even that is too short for you I assume you go custom somewhat?
You're either a lanky stickboi, or, don't wear plates.
You could try those recoil pads from places like Limbsaver or FalconStrike... Those would add a bit of length for ya, plus, they feel nice (but can get stuck on clothes because of the material)
Bullpups are ass. LOP too long, can't use it with plates. Half a second delay to fire. Like it's just trash overall, all bullpups.
good takes
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What brings out these moronic noguns homosexuals and their shit opinions every thread?
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I've settled on an MDRX in 308. Trigger is really decent and I'm overall very happy with it, they have had major QC issues in general but I'm not one of those bit (so far). Do you have any comparisons in usage?
VHS was always the superior technology to Betamax in every metric relevant to how people actually used the tech. The popular notion that the worse format won the war is just Sony cope.
Reminds me of my first firearm love, a Kel-Tec blaster. I'm going to put a FRAM filter on one of those polymer wonder guns and hope it doesn't clog the gas system.
It's one of the ugliest rifles I've ever seen, way too bulky. I've never handled one though, so my opinion is based purely off of my disgust for it's hideousness
I completely concur. Every time I look at it, it shocks me how ugly it is, even though I steel my mind for it. It assaults me with its cluttered hands, fumbling like a man wracked with DTs.
It is truly sired by the company that thought the xd line was Real Sharp.
Switched mine for a more straight magpul grip. Aesthetically I like it a bit more but the stock grip is A-OK.
1 year ago
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As in with a yet straighter grip angle? Damn, you must have some long arms.
1 year ago
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Yes, pretty standard magpul grip just forgot name and no pics. and no, 5'4" manlet. Simply in shape and have enough brain to figure out how to maneuver it around without flagging literally everything.
With the magwell being modular it would actually be a little more feasible to configure it to some kind of helical magazine. That could be the Dunning Kruger in me talking though. I just mean if the fricking norks can field one somebody should be able to make one here that works. I know it's not practical. I just want one.
It's weird. I mean, if this was a total boomer only place and nobody had touched a bullpup except for an unimproved 80s era Aug I could understand some lingering bad impressions but even then I'd expect some curiosity about what almost 40 years of improvements had brought. M16 and pretty much every regular rifle in existence took a lot of refinement too.
Most posters can't fathom spending more than $600 on a gun
The number of gucci ARs with glass alone worth far more than $600 means that doesn't really explain it on /k/. Though maybe that there is no real decent budget options is a factor, a lot of people with expensive fancy ARs probably started with cheap ones, maybe even Ship of Theseus'd a cheaper starting AR into a lot of spend over time.
You WILL use a 5.56 NATO AR rifle with a red dot sight and a foregrip.
You WILL use a polymer framed 9mm striker fired pistol with a flashlight the pokes passed the muzzle.
We're old stubborn men now. We don't want the hip new rifles the kids are using. Obviously they're am advancement, but preferring an AR over a quality bullpup is like boomers preferring the M1A over ARs. The future is now, old men.
Another thing is you're basically asking a truck owner to get a smaller truck. Not happening, he wants his guns as long (and black) as possible. Seriously there are dudes that b***h when others paint their guns, when there's really no practical reason to have a black gun. There's also no practical reason to have your gun be unnecessarily long when you could have the same barrel length in a more space efficient package.
I would literally remove the little ass they attached to the back and just use it with the end of the receiver against my shoulder maybe with rubber affixed to the back. That is a total engineering fail of an adjustment stock. Kel tec did a better job with their adjustable stock RDB.
The original Croatian grip was fine, there was no need to add AR-grip compatibility to it, also I would've preferred it if it came with the original railed handguard. Whinny gays complaining about its weight are more than welcome to buy a cheap-ass PSA AR.
I'm currently considering to buy the Tinck Arms Perum (bottom of pic rel) But I'm not sure wether or not to go for the complete rifle 2450€ or just the upper for 1500€.
Afaik it uses a normal AR lower. But to make it foldable you need a lower without a buffer tower. Can you just cut off the buffer tower from a regular AR lower or should you buy one without it from the get go?
Why has nobody made a top-fed magazine like the p90 or p50 that accepts telescoped 556?
Because CT 5.56 basically doesn't exist and nobody is going to buy it because they can't use their buddy's ammo/ too expensive/ government gonna steal my DNA ect
This was my rifle, unfortunately had to sell it but it was picky with .223 anyway. I’m back on non-bullpups and honestly while I liked the MDRX I didn’t trust it to be anything but a range toy.
The guy that ended up with the carry handle put it on his X95, also very BR-55 adjacent. Unfortunately TriStar stopped selling the handle (from on of their shotguns) on its own because once I posted this MDRX online a bunch of people called them about it lol.
Haven't bought once because im having enough of a problem feeding my 10/22 with how tight things have been. Put a few magazines through one at the range i go to since i get a free rental. Shoots nice, safety is just odd. Just about everything about it tells you to flip it the opposite way that you need to very surprised there hasn't been some aftermarket parts to change that. Bolt release while awkward isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Since I was only using one mag i can't really tell you too much on the reload but it didn't feel weird when shouldered it before loading. I like it but its out of my range for a while
I don't like the hellion. I think it looks weird and lumpy, and it feels like a boat anchor when I held one in the gun store. If you gave me one, I'd sell it immediately.
>has zero reading comprehension >gets mad
Ask me how I know you're not White.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Shut the frick up you snide little shit, people like you lose teeth if they talk like this in real life.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yep. Definitely not White lmao.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Post guns
1 year ago
Anonymous
>can't read >becomes violent >gets called not White >is now coping by demanding guns
I only post my guns for White anons, not violent non White anons like you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Post guns and hand or gtfo.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Aww what's wrong widdle b***h boy? Did someone get found out as a noguns larper?
MDRX is full ambi and is easy to swap ejection port on either side, even ignoring forward eject. There have been other forward eject and even down eject (that keltec one) too. Your info is out of date leftiefriend.
Also, waffle mag stock only. NATO stock is exclusively right handed and doesn't have a bolt release button. The upside to this for the NATO stock is that it doesn't have the left side cover plate, so no worries about it slipping or being an ingress point for dirt. But NATO stock hates lefties.
NTA but time for that was before they were discontinued. In bullpup thread last week some anon was lamenting ignoring advice to get a few, prices apparently have skyrocketed since.
3k on Gunjoker, so like a grand over a normal bullpup. Not terrible, and likely to appreciate in value, so not a terrible idea to pick one up. Sucks they aren't made, because spare parts are kinda hard to sort out.
Never sent mine in so IDK. They got military contracts for the F2000, so factory support is a thing, but is it a thing for us peasants? IDK.
Even still, I'd be afraid to break something that couldn't be easily fixed, and with many great bullpups on the market, why bother?
Bought one as my new truck defense gun. I friggin love it. Has almost no recoil, it hasn't jammed on me once, and I can actually move it around inside my semi without bumping into anything. I haven't noticed any half second delay to fire, but I have noticed there's like, a catch in the trigger halfway back, where it feels like you've pulled it, but you haven't. That might be what that Anon is talking about.
Everyone else seems to love the iron sights, but idk.
>move it around inside my semi without bumping
I have a BRAND-NEW Silverado, and as "spacious" as those are, I can't image they're moreso than a semi, which makes me wonder wtf I'm doing different than people like you who say this.
I can maneuver even 16" AR's and my 12.5" AK just fine in the cab, and plenty of police videos show them doing the same with their eyy arrs, making me think, in the most non-confrontational way possible, this is an imaginary problem.
Was initially pretty excited about a bullpup G36 coming to market, but no manual bolt hold open and weird manual of arms have dulled my enthusiasm. I'm going AUG when I get a bullpup.
are there any images of a person actually HOLDING a VHS-2? Because the conspicuous lack of images of people comfortable holding a rifle with two foot length-of-pull speaks volumes
At Nra show I went between springfield and JWI to campair it to the tavor and (whatever their new version is called Idk)
VHS had the worse trigger, heavier and LOP isn't great, but what I did like was the balance, with a supressor and optic it was almost neutral, and probably would have a rearward balance when loaded
Would be helpful if you've got noodlearms and want to run suppressed
VHS >better trigger >More forward rail space >more optics mounting options >easier to sling >More accurate on average >integrated Irons >Slower but ambi charging handle >Can run a can w/o unobtanium parts >Takes USGI mags, but the magwell is way too tight with no flair
AUG >lighter >Bespoke mags >Thicc af barrel profile >Easier to strip/clean >better selector >20" available >LOP made for humans, specifically ones in armor >Mag release is actually intelligently placed but not ambi >Need like $800 to get brought into the 21st century (trigger, extended rails, brass deflector, extended mag catch) >More forgiving magwell
You will have to pry my AUG off my corpse, but I can see why the VHS could be someone's jam.
oh man anon do i regret not heading your advice to pick up an adm qd mount for the hamr many moons ago. I cant find one ANYWHERE
1 year ago
Anonymous
You remember me huh? I got mine from optics planet back in 2020
1 year ago
Anonymous
yup, I've been kicking myself every day for the past year or so for not listening to the wise guy in the bullpup threads
Well gunbroker through optics planet.
flat out a discontinued product form ADM, so i don't think ill be able to get one from OP. and i don't think there's much on the used market side
1 year ago
Anonymous
>jewpup
I kinda want one in ODG
1 year ago
Anonymous
I like mine, not much to complain about besides it spitting gas in my face like its 1941. Aftermarket ejection port cover and some gasket sealer on the gas cylinder fixed it right up.
1 year ago
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At this point I want a .308 israelitepup for innawoods protection against oversized teddy bears.
I've held it in my LGS and the length of pull is really fricking long, even with the buttstock in the shortest position. This gun is clearly designed for 6.5' Croatian Chads (so not me), who won't care for the heavy weight either. The FAMAS is much more manlets friendly. The ergos are fine but the MDR ones are clearly better imo, except for the adjustable gas position above the barrel, which is neat. The plastic used is kind of ugly but it looks solid. The trigger is still mushy, better than the Aug but worse than a milspec AR obviously. At least it has a clean break. It's probably the closest to a FAMAS you can get right now, that's its main selling point.
Care to show groups ? Do you consider it MOA accurate or worse ?
LOP literally doesnt matter
It makes the gun even heavier to hold when you're shooting standing. Not really an issue for a civilian, but it's kind of a big deal when you're a soldier who has to keep his gun at low ready for an extended period of time.
>It makes the gun even heavier to hold when you're shooting standing. Not really an issue for a civilian, but it's kind of a big deal when you're a soldier who has to keep his gun at low ready for an extended period of time.
Bullpup center of mass is so far back compared to a standard rifle that it makes no frickin difference.
Not true.
Most memepups other than the Tavor tend to balance around the pistol grip, most non-AK's tend to balance around the back or middle of the magwell, it's not "so far back", and if it were, like the Tavor, it causes more problems than you'd think, though, I think the Tavor is just hot shit in general, so other problems are more "apparent" than just the ass-heavy awkwardness (you don't keep rifles shouldered perfectly level 100% of the time), such as the piss-poor accuracy, gassiness, old problems with the accidental mag releases, and so on.
Also, if you have armor on, the shift is further away from your shoulder, so it's still not as "close" as you might think.
>trigger is "mushy" >thinks the AR has a good trigger
You notrainings do know what a 2 stage trigger is vs a 1 stage trigger right? Wtf do you mean by mushy? Feels? The feeling of a trigger isn't going to throw your shots.
>It makes the gun even heavier to hold when you're shooting standing
No it doesn't. Bullpup weight is behind your dominant hand so it's easy as hell to hold up for extended periods of time compared to conventional rifles. LOP is definitively a complete meme with modern shooting stances and body armor.
Leverage/muscles doesn't work that way, it's more about it being closer to your shoulder than behind your wrist.
If something is trying to roll over the top of your wrist, it's harder to push it back down than it is to hold something pushing from under your palm.
Shoulder, not hand, that's more what people mean, even if it's still not important like they think it is.
Your left shoulder will tire quicker with a M4 than your right shoulder with the LOP of a bullpup.
I'm a Bong and I find the C8 feels heavier than the L85 despite not being heavier due to the front heaviness. Not that either are heavy and anyone who complains about weight and it's not a GPMG is a massive pussy.
Not necessarily, it's more about how you "mount" the gun and hold it, your sling, plus what you're specifically doing of course, etc. You're also putting more weight into one arm than two besides, think 80/20 instead of 60/40 or similar.
I also see people using bullpups more often rest the barrel on things than non-bullpups for whatever reason, and "rested" shooting is what most people will be doing MOST of the time anyways, but that's more of a "training" issue. (If Marines can learn to short-stock M16's in Fallujah, people can learn not to jam the barrel of their Tavor into concrete walls, for example. Or, at least, I'd hope so.)
But, I was more speaking about the "behind your hand" part of the post rather than the general practicality/utility/etc. of it.
They need to fix the stock on that thing before I cam take it seriously. We like bullpups because they're shorter, why would they stick a long ass ugly stock on it?
"AR-15" isn't a gun though anon. I guess mindlessly repeating something back with no understanding probably always sounds good in your empty heads though.
If people weren't so afraid of electronic triggers yeah it would be trivial. Purely mechanical? It's possible but it would be quite bit of engineering.
Why do you say that? According to a quick search an electronic firing trigger sends a charge which ignites the propellant. Why would EMI not impact this?
I think he's talking about an electronic release to a conventional mechanical trigger, rather than electronic ignition.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I could only find two examples of electronic fire groups - one of which sends a charge to ignite the primer, and the other using a current to generate plasma.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Google "solenoid trigger". Its how you fire a gun when you can't access the trigger in a conventional layout (like in a tank or on a plane).
Electronic != wireless. A solenoid trigger would achieve the goal, but no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan. Solenoid triggers are used in vehicles because they have a power supply anyways, and if they don't they're useless or nearly useless anyways.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan
Nobody uses it because it's not feasible to make an electrically controlled trigger that the ATF won't call a machine gun due to how easily it could be converted for that purpose.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think that's why you don't really see the digi-trigger much anymore. They said they could make a """forced reset"""-esque model in passing once IIRC, and ATF sent the van immediately.
Speaking of, I hope the FRT lawsuit goes in RareBreed's favor, and soon. I'd love for them to get more developed like the "selectable" model they mentioned (that TommyTriggers already made before they did), or more models, like for AK's especially.
Holy shit anon. Electronic has zilch to do with wireless. Simple wires and circuits even inside shielding are frankly going to be more reliable then mechanical components. Like what fricking decade did you just wake up from? All modern military equipment and doctrine is based heavily on electronics.
Electronic != wireless. A solenoid trigger would achieve the goal, but no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan. Solenoid triggers are used in vehicles because they have a power supply anyways, and if they don't they're useless or nearly useless anyways.
>but no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan
No that's not why, it's just that tech wasn't there a few decades ago, the gun industry is conservative and there hasn't been any real driving need. The power is a non-issue, it takes very little so a single battery can go for ages and can be small and it'd be easy to do stuff like just integrate them into a magazine. Charge mag along with reloading it, all it needs is enough power to fire the solenoid the number of rounds the mag holds done.
Although a gun integrated battery (swappable obviously, just another "magazine") with a standard electronic rail would probably be a major improvement vs all the electronic devices we stick on guns each with their own battery. It'd be a lot more fundamentally efficient if they just pulled power from a central source rather then more and more separate batteries each with their own housings and all the other dead matter needed for them.
But again, there wasn't much point. Maybe with smartguns it'll become a thing though, just because if you're going to depend on power ANYWAY might as well squeeze the most out of it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Electronic != wireless. A solenoid trigger would achieve the goal, but no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan. Solenoid triggers are used in vehicles because they have a power supply anyways, and if they don't they're useless or nearly useless anyways.
Why do you homosexuals think I said wireless anywhere in my post? Do electric motors or car starters look wireless to you?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You posted an image primarily about wireless, and posited "interference" of some wireless kind. Given that we have sent electronics into gas giants, around the sun, through electromagnetic storms, run them inside nuclear reactors, use them in critical medical situations, and everywhere else like how fricking dumb can you be to not at least consider that perhaps this is a problem that has been long solved? Even if you're never heard of a "Faraday cage" or hardened circuits or the like? Like, basically aspect of a modern military is highly electronics dependent. High performance modern jets just won't work without computers, they're unflyable, and that's enormously more complex then a simple firing thing. If "EMI" was such a problem literally most of the modern world around you wouldn't work so you should have asked yourself why it does.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The image I posted shows how EMI can interfere with a variety of different electronics. >Given that we have sent electronics into gas giants, around the sun, through electromagnetic storms
So what you propose is we take billions of dollars of R&D put into shielding billion dollar projects to protect from interference and somehow package that into an affordable firearm. >most of the modern world around you would work
Consumer electronics are very easily impacted by regular shit you can find driving down the highway already. Have you considered that a traditional trigger group is preferred because it is cheap, it works as long as you don't throw mountains of mud in it, and the zoomer homosexual down the road cannot stop it with a toy from china that the FCC will be assembling the troops to confiscate?
You morons are like the homosexuals that believe in free energy or how Tesla was on the brink of discovering infinite energy but patents are the reason why nobody has replicated his research since. Pic related, you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah you're literally moronic. If you ever care to learn fine. If not feel free to retreat into typical luddism and your betters will decide as always.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The image you posted is more concerned with how those components put out noise and preventing that than it is worried about your ignition system getting jammed by your neighbor’s hair dryer. Go look at a spark plug and a spark gap jammer and see if you can’t figure out why that’s more of a problem than your fantasy land where hardline circuits go kaput every time someone flips a light switch.
If people weren't so afraid of electronic triggers yeah it would be trivial. Purely mechanical? It's possible but it would be quite bit of engineering.
I hear the K&M M17S' have nice triggers, but, I haven't personally been able to confirm myself.
I'd like one each in .223 and .308, but I have other gats I'd like to buy beforehand. >inb4 discontinued by the time I get to them
Frick your ND inducing triggers. Trigger snobbery is the #1 indicator of a noob with no training. Press it and don't worry about how it "feels" >wahh I didn't like the way that felt on my widdle finger wahhhh
This shit is ridiculous and I hear it way too often. Just press the trigger, if you can accomplish that the gun works.
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I shoot fine with mil spec triggers and always have. People who prefer hair triggers are the leading cause of NDs, just learn how to pull the fricking trigger without snatching. Some mfers have never had to double action their first shot and it shows. >MIL P229
Shut the frick up and stop coping. Not every aftermarket trigger is a "hair trigger". If you can get a nicer-feeling trigger, why not get it? I'm sure all those death squad motherfrickers with their Geissele's are just limp-dick homosexuals, right? Can't be anything else, RIGHT?
Jesus Christ, and people wonder why memepuppers are so hated.
> I'm sure all those death squad motherfrickers with their Geissele's are just limp-dick homosexuals, right?
You realise every SF unit in the world uses mil-spec triggers right? Just because they have cushty triggers on their range queens doesn't mean shit.
I do agree bullpup triggers are mushy though, and the AUG trigger is dumb.
>SF uses mil-spec triggers
You know that's not true. Geissele, for example, specifically makes a "SOCOM" trigger and they've never shut up about how it was made for muh SF and whatnot. Let alone the SPR's and such that've come "upgraded" with Geissele's or such.
That's like saying those old Delta 1911/2011's and MEUSOC M45's are "milspec". It just ain't true. >Mushy bullpups
I'd like to give the M17S' a try, supposedly they're really nice.
I've shot a friend's FS2000 people, and the trigger is indeed weird on that one. Not so much "mushy", more just that it "stages" weird, I guess? Definitely very plastic-y feeling, but of course, the gun is damn-near 90% plastic, so it makes sense.
The OG M17 is pretty ok for its day, but the new ones are fricking baller. Its much lighter than the MDR, but has a less defined "wall" but the pull is like 2mm so ymmv. Supposedly its adjustable, but I haven't fricked with that part yet.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'd *really* like to get my hands on one (coming from a bullpup-hater too), but I just waited a year and a half for my AK, and going by K&M's site, I really rather not have to go through that again just now, I have other things I'd like to focus on.
I'm even putting off two Form 4's and a Form 1 I had planned, but I'm worried it's gonna be now or never. We'll see.
Anyways, I'd like to really "gamer" them up with a huge frickoff brake, maybe dick around with the recoil springs, add an LPVO, that kind of thing. I took my Mini-14 out to a match recently and it was a lot of fun compared to the same ol' AR and such, so it could be fun, even if I have no expectation of placing high or anything lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
I got mine in about 3 months in 2019. IDK what current production is like.
Frick your ND inducing triggers. Trigger snobbery is the #1 indicator of a noob with no training. Press it and don't worry about how it "feels" >wahh I didn't like the way that felt on my widdle finger wahhhh
This shit is ridiculous and I hear it way too often. Just press the trigger, if you can accomplish that the gun works.
>this
I shoot fine with mil spec triggers and always have. People who prefer hair triggers are the leading cause of NDs, just learn how to pull the fricking trigger without snatching. Some mfers have never had to double action their first shot and it shows. >MIL P229
It's a byproduct but yes, light triggers are not a good thing while operating in non-ideal environments where you might be startled/flinch. Obviously the NYPD takes it too far with their intentionally super heavy triggers.
to be fair, it had merit when the options where L85s and FAMASs. Expect now its near 40 years later and that innovation isn't exclusive to making 9mm useful or AR-15s like everyone seems to think
In fairness it must be admitted that the generation 1 MDR didn't have a great trigger from the factory, took I think about 650 rounds to break in, though been a
while. Gen2 (mdrx) is fine so you're correct, but took DT a few tries too.
>best OAL:barrel length ratio of any rifle ever made, designed in an era where semiauto service rifles were just coming into fashion >turd
Which superior guns have you designed?
Have you seen how the thing actually works? It's a mess in there, it'd be a fricking awful rifle to hand out to communist slav conscripts, it's not at all as idiotproof or rugged as the AKM.
Beautiful. That the 20" aluminum one they recently came out with? I strongly considered it but ended up picking the mantis instead. Pity they didn't do a design on that one that could still accommodate a can, I'd have happily taken a slightly bulgier front. Oh well.
>Can under handguard
Hot
Literally
usually takes a good number of mags to warm up and there is still space around it, though poly would be the way to go if really concerned. Can also pick a can that takes longer to get hot I guess.
Ah, now I notice through the side. Don't think I've ever seen that config, used to seek Micron with the little foregrip even suppressed but that looks damn fun.
I have a mdrx destined can coming hopefully within the next three weeks can't fricking wait. Though god damn it some people just randomly got approvals from July for who the frick knows why.
Out of curiosity was the flow556 not out yet when you got it or did you have some other reason? OSS always has done quality stuff though. While I'm going with CGS for 30cal I think OSS is simply superior for 556.
The flow only just came out recently so theres no way I would have gotten it i submitted the stamp info. I picked up the gen 2 with the flash hider part not too long after it came out. OSS is great if you want something that is less blowback/wear on your firearms. If you want something to be as quiet as possible they are not the best.
First that's too short even with subs and you wouldn't be saving anything really because of so much unburned powder, you've lost major sub performance and it's louder/flashier which a longer can would merely maybe negate. 8" is already 3.5" shorter than a Micron and complete burn or close would allow shorter can anyway particularly if integral since you can use asymmetric designs that are still effective (like my Maxim 9 is shorter with 4" barrel then typical equivalent 4" standalone + 9mm can).
That said second MDRX can't do that at all. Can't run 300bo even at Micron length, the gas system simply cannot adjust that much and have it run reliably. That's why they don't offer a Micron in anything but 556. Their are rumors of a dedicated Micron design next year though (as well as a gen 3 MDR), if so that'd be interesting.
12.5" Micron with 8.6bo is another interesting possibility.
Where did you gear the rumors about the gen3/dedicated micron design?
>12.5" Micron with 8.6bo is another interesting possibility.
yeah that one kinda interesting cause mdr already built for 30cal supers. that means sbr micron kinda a heavy girl for [email protected]". but 8.6 would turn weakness to strength right? 12" barrel but much heavier round but gun already built for full power 308. mitebcool if 8.6 goes anywhere.
I know someone has turned their .308 MDR into an 8.6 with a custom barrel
>The flow only just came out recently so theres no way I would have gotten it i submitted the stamp info.
Ah, can't be helped then. Can I've got coming is good but similar deal, there is something that might actually be better now and is much cheaper, but it only appeared in the 8 months (and counting) since starting F4, just another little irritation about the whole process. >If you want something to be as quiet as possible they are not the best.
Actually I think they unironically are the best now for 556. Not at other sizes but the flow is very impressive (AND compact on top). Competitive time right now. >Where did you gear the rumors about the gen3/dedicated micron design?
I'll see if I can find a video or something for you, it was as part of the conversation around DT doing a big mea culpa on their QC this past, March? Feb? April? Feels like this year has been so long. But they know about things like people really wanting a 300bo Micron, and have officially confirmed that the reason they don't is simply that they can't with the "current gas system". There are a number of little niggling things and stuff they've improved, same as with MDR. So a gen3 would probably be similar to gen2: rolling up a bunch of polishing and so on they've been doing on repairs over time. But they'll probably need a dedicated Micron design anyway to do 300bo, I might be wrong but I suspect complete modularity from 30cal super@20" all the way to 300bo subs at 8" (or even 11") along with full adjustable gas and everything else is just not really optimal. MDR has proven fairly popular from the sound of it, I think they could afford to split the line.
Though obviously it'd remove a nice little bit of legal QOL given the nature of American law which would stink. So I guess that's a factor too.
I wonder if Desert Tech could make like a 5.5" .300 blackout MDRX with an integral suppressor that would end up more or less with the same size as your normal micron? A rifle like that would end up significantly smaller than even the sig rattler with a suppressor. I'd think that at least law enforcement and so on would be interested in something like that because smol.
First that's too short even with subs and you wouldn't be saving anything really because of so much unburned powder, you've lost major sub performance and it's louder/flashier which a longer can would merely maybe negate. 8" is already 3.5" shorter than a Micron and complete burn or close would allow shorter can anyway particularly if integral since you can use asymmetric designs that are still effective (like my Maxim 9 is shorter with 4" barrel then typical equivalent 4" standalone + 9mm can).
That said second MDRX can't do that at all. Can't run 300bo even at Micron length, the gas system simply cannot adjust that much and have it run reliably. That's why they don't offer a Micron in anything but 556. Their are rumors of a dedicated Micron design next year though (as well as a gen 3 MDR), if so that'd be interesting.
12.5" Micron with 8.6bo is another interesting possibility.
>12.5" Micron with 8.6bo is another interesting possibility.
yeah that one kinda interesting cause mdr already built for 30cal supers. that means sbr micron kinda a heavy girl for [email protected]". but 8.6 would turn weakness to strength right? 12" barrel but much heavier round but gun already built for full power 308. mitebcool if 8.6 goes anywhere.
It’s sort of heavy in 5.56 but it’s less so if you compare it to other “ar18” rifles on the market, but compared to the scar 17 or the sr25 it’s much more competitive in the weight department.
Thanks for adding it. Would be kind of interesting to do a survey or something and see what percent of /k/ owns what bullpups. I know there are a few P90 enjoyers but have zero idea how many.
Or maybe a lot of anons just stick it in its own category alongside PCCs, even vs 5.56 it's in a different lower category of performance. On the completely opposite side of the spectrum, don't see the GM6 Lynx (50bmg bullpup) come up often in these threads either, but I know for a fact at least one or two /k/ommandos have them, came up in a great thread around this time last year and one said he loved it, one of his favorite guns. But in terms of cost/size/performance it took is obviously in an entire different category from all the normal ones that get brought up. Both are wicked cool guns though.
it annoys me a little that more people have the latest zoom zoom FOTM novelty bullpup that will be forgotten in time instead of something more cool and timeless like an AUG, P90, F2000, Tavor, etc. i would include famas but i realize that's impossible to get anyways.
>it annoys me a little that more people have the latest zoom zoom FOTM novelty bullpup
wat. Is there any such thing? Like what "novelty" one has happened even in the last few years? MDR is one of the newer ones and that's like 6 years old now. Bullpups are still relatively unpopular overall vs ARs and while yeah there are many more options it's still a niche and nothing like other guns. And a lot of us who have them are not interested in "cool" or "timeless" whatever the frick that means, they're our actual primary rifle. Functionality is the point. And since bullpups have only gotten a fraction of the development of normal guns it makes sense there is more low hanging fruit. I have no particular issue with what you listed (except that the F2000 isn't even made anymore right?), but I don't think there's anything wrong with those interested in ongoing development either.
https://i.imgur.com/qnwCujN.png
Holy shit, they make one in 6.5 sneedmoore. I'm gonna consoooooom right there with you anon
I'm gonna stick a thermal optic on there and have a fantastic time
Definite enjoy then. There are some neat accessories as well nowadays. Check that PDF I posted earlier though and make sure the gun you get doesn't have those screw issues. If it's a brand new MDRX then I think it's sorted, same with the charging handle, but make sure since it's an easy thing. And put a decent number of rounds through it first to shake it down before taking it out. If you get a normal good one it'll be solid, if there's any QC problems might as well discover them early.
5.7 is a touch rich for my blood for plinking but no doubt very fun. For HD yeah absolutely solid. But probably you're not pushing out to hundreds of yards either? Still a cool platform.
Sure and "effective range" on 5.56 is like 1000yd or something moronic according to the military, by which they mean it can theoretically cause debilitating injury (60 fpe I think is the threshold?). But not something generally expected to engage that far and for hunting one needs way way more to be ethical.
100yd sure though. And while in that range I'm sure lots would prefer 300bo subs those are a solid 20% more expensive then 5.7 even.
1 year ago
Anonymous
ya but you dont get a p90 or 50 rounds thats sit flush, also its 300 BLACK out, gross
1 year ago
Anonymous
whats the deal with .300bo? i dont really get its use case over 5.56
1 year ago
Anonymous
People who want really really short ARs and/or want to suppress things. Personally I don't see much utility in it. It's one of those things where people force an AR into a role it wasn't particularly designed for. Probably helps that a round with guns already engineered for it like 7.62x39 is a cluster frick to get a good one in the states. If you want a short rifle, bullpup it so you can use non meme ammo.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Maybe one day ill get this dream gun
1 year ago
Anonymous
>whats the deal with .300bo? i dont really get its use case over 5.56
5.56 suppresses like absolute shit. That's the reason for 300bo. Then people also decided to make supers with it because might as well, but the point was to have something out of an 8" barrel subsonic and effective to 100yd or so with good suppression characteristics. That's it. I don't actually use it myself, I just have 22, 9mm and 308 lol. But I've heard it with friends and it does work. 8.6bo that came up earlier in thread is basically "can we extend subsonic to 200-300yd?" I don't know if they can but that'd allow subs for basically any NA hunting at all short of weird edge cases like elk in the west or something.
https://i.imgur.com/5PxTdPc.png
Maybe one day ill get this dream gun
Hah, I've given up the torch on that one. But it's interesting how the concept grabbed people and still gets brought up. Maybe someday.
Bullpups are ass. LOP too long, can't use it with plates. Half a second delay to fire. Like it's just trash overall, all bullpups.
>half second delay on firing
Seems like it's pretty decent.
>Half a second delay to fire
What the devil is this Black person speaking of?
What brings out these moronic noguns homosexuals and their shit opinions every thread?
I've settled on an MDRX in 308. Trigger is really decent and I'm overall very happy with it, they have had major QC issues in general but I'm not one of those bit (so far). Do you have any comparisons in usage?
if the MDRX can get 2moa id consider it in .308
>if the MDRX can get 2moa id consider it in .308
It can, at least if you make sure DT didn't forget to actually put fricking loktite on a bunch of the screws for your fricking locking block bolts because their QC was shit. If they didn't just put it an and retorque but damn. It actually is apparently possible for it to do sub-moa though I've never done better then 1.8 and it's really picky about ammo for that. Under 2moa isn't as hard but again, I think it's pickier then actual "precision rifles". And some ammo is all the way up above 5moa. I think officially DT claims the target is 2-3 with 1-2 "reasonably feasible" but it's not really a precision gun per se.
If you want to see an absolutely utterly exhaustive report on fricking everything with more info then most would ever want you can read:
>https://www.docdroid.net/LS6eOty/mdrx-308-characterization-rev-pdf#page=20
that page has one of the ammo tested list, you can see a single one managed sub, a reasonably handful was 1-2, quite a bit 2-3, and then some stuff just fricking awful. So if you get it really have to test.
I think it might be worth waiting until next year though honestly and see if they do a gen3 like rumored. They've also been doing a lot of work on finally investing in and improving their archaic QC which didn't scale from when they were a young startup.
Anyway here is an old picture of mine in its silly autism config without can or some other stuff since when I was first fricking around. It was meant to be more a simple fun thing but I ended up liking it a lot.
I'm no newbie when it comes to guns, but those weirdo black ear things you've got up on either side near the bipod have me baffled
it's some autism-incarnate grip
I've never seen or heard of these before, I wonder how something this weird slipped by me
I'm the guy who got them and I'd never heard of them before until this year either lol. Lot of fun weird niche shit out there in the gun world, I love encountering oddball stuff that somehow never really took off.
>I'm no newbie when it comes to guns, but those weirdo black ear things you've got up on either side near the bipod have me baffled
Called "Ryker Grips" and go along with that semi-elastic sling, they're a side forward grip. I originally thought they'd be gimmicky but since this was to be a fun experimental rifle went for it figuring could always change it, but the combo is actually surprisingly really good and comfortable/natural to use so I've kept them. Main downside is that it's not ambi so autism compelled me to put one on the other side and keep it symmetrical which is otherwise stupid. random video from way back when they first came out if you want to see it in actual action:
wouldn't recommend it for everyone same as wouldn't recommend anything I did for everyone or even most but I've enjoyed using something pretty different.
It's a 0.9-1.5 moa rifle. That's the only reason I'm getting one. Lot of reviewers consistently shot within those numbers. Not bad for a semi auto let alone one with excellent features in such a compact package.
>It's a 0.9-1.5 moa rifle. That's the only reason I'm getting one. Lot of reviewers consistently shot within those numbers. Not bad for a semi auto let alone one with excellent features in such a compact package.
In my experience with it (backed by others fwiw) it will be extremely picky with ammo though to get to that and to maintain it unless it's a gun made in like the last few months you will almost certainly need to fix DT's frickup on screws and secure/retorque them properly with red loktite.
I mean, I love the gun but the QC issues were definitely real, not universal but more than one would hope at that price tag.
>i don't like your opinion you must be NO GUNZ HURR DURR
copium over your shit gun, couldn't be me
Holy shit, they make one in 6.5 sneedmoore. I'm gonna consoooooom right there with you anon
I'm gonna stick a thermal optic on there and have a fantastic time
>LOP too long
Manley
> can't use it with plates
Buy a shooter cut plate moron
>Half a second delay to fire
?
>can't use it with plates
Wut
Nice stable diffusion pic, liar.
Mods, please fricking public ban this shitter to set an example, goddamn.
>can't use it with plates
Huh, strange. The Croatian army doesn't seem to have an issue with that.
There should be a rule here that allows the mods to ban people who have clearly no experience with firearms whatsoever.
Behold the dumbest c**t alive
>LOP too long
While everything else he said is total bulshit, the LOP on the hellion in particular is insane for a bulpup
Not unusable, just longer than any other i've held
I'm going to say it... FPBP
Why
>Half a second delay to fire
This is what cod does to the human brain. Kys, you are truly beyond fricked.
LOP literally doesnt matter
This homie been shooting flintlock bullpups
Now THAT would an amusing project gun.
Being realistic, half a second would be like a fricking matchlock or something, unless you're using Pyrodex.
I find this hilarious since for me the LOP of the hellion, and every bullpup so far, is too damn short; and that two inches of adjustment simply doesn't cut it.
>I find this hilarious since for me the LOP of the hellion, and every bullpup so far, is too damn short; and that two inches of adjustment simply doesn't cut it.
How do you deal with normal guns, extended stock? LOP on mdrx is like 15" which is a solid 1.5" longer then a standard rifle, fits me well and is in the same range so I'd expect that part at least to be fine for anyone fine with a normal gun. Hellion is like 16-18", that's even farther. If even that is too short for you I assume you go custom somewhat?
Christ you must be built like fricking slender man
You're either a lanky stickboi, or, don't wear plates.
You could try those recoil pads from places like Limbsaver or FalconStrike... Those would add a bit of length for ya, plus, they feel nice (but can get stuck on clothes because of the material)
Plates aren't a problem for the Croats.
Where's the gripzone?
Right behind the squeeze zone, obviously.
shit, like all bullpups.
good takes
you lost bullcuck
>he's still her
guess u got nothing better to do while waitin for ur wife's BULL to finish lmao
Same as you, waiting for AR Chads to finish mogging your precious memepups, right?
Not as good as a trade layout but I'd still buy one.
I want a vhs-2
>vhs-2
not buying superior Beta
VHS was always the superior technology to Betamax in every metric relevant to how people actually used the tech. The popular notion that the worse format won the war is just Sony cope.
It’s bretty gud, but for the money I’d rather a Steyr Aug.
Needs 20 inch barrel and bayonet lug.
Reminds me of my first firearm love, a Kel-Tec blaster. I'm going to put a FRAM filter on one of those polymer wonder guns and hope it doesn't clog the gas system.
It's one of the ugliest rifles I've ever seen, way too bulky. I've never handled one though, so my opinion is based purely off of my disgust for it's hideousness
LOOK AT IT
Yeah, that's no better. None of these can hold a candle to my sexy yid bullpup
Looks like someone painted a nerf gun FDE
I completely concur. Every time I look at it, it shocks me how ugly it is, even though I steel my mind for it. It assaults me with its cluttered hands, fumbling like a man wracked with DTs.
It is truly sired by the company that thought the xd line was Real Sharp.
Read the room Springfield.
Filtered.
You're just mad the outside of your gun looks like a borg cube.
Ironic
They're neat, not sure if I'd take one over an AUG though.
this, ended up getting an aug over the hellion. more accurate and feels better holding. plus the foregrip is neat
If someone makes a non-shit trigger pack for it, I'd buy it.
Overpriced and mutilated import
It's not mutilated.
Cope
Provide source to disprove me
they killed the sick trigger guard
Nothing wrong with it.
Cope
The pistolgrip is fine.
Switched mine for a more straight magpul grip. Aesthetically I like it a bit more but the stock grip is A-OK.
As in with a yet straighter grip angle? Damn, you must have some long arms.
Yes, pretty standard magpul grip just forgot name and no pics. and no, 5'4" manlet. Simply in shape and have enough brain to figure out how to maneuver it around without flagging literally everything.
I really like the D-2
but can you still put a visor with that hand guard ?
anyway, Croatia really seems like the best balkan nation.
With the magwell being modular it would actually be a little more feasible to configure it to some kind of helical magazine. That could be the Dunning Kruger in me talking though. I just mean if the fricking norks can field one somebody should be able to make one here that works. I know it's not practical. I just want one.
It's not too bad, retails at 1400 EUR in Croatia. With import frickery that's alright.
>2nd best thing to come out of Austria
lel
>2nd best thing to come out of austria
>2nd best thing to come out of Austria
I wouldn't throw it out of bed
Anyone who dislikes it is ISA scum
Visari did nothing wrong
I just want killzone where you play as good guys(space israelite)
This is literally the reason I want to buy a Hellion lmao. Helghan forever. Death to ISA scum.
Didn't the ISA have bullpups too?
Nice FAMAS
stale meme.
Just like the vulva of your mom
Why do bullpups generate so much seethe?
Most posters can't fathom spending more than $600 on a gun
It's weird. I mean, if this was a total boomer only place and nobody had touched a bullpup except for an unimproved 80s era Aug I could understand some lingering bad impressions but even then I'd expect some curiosity about what almost 40 years of improvements had brought. M16 and pretty much every regular rifle in existence took a lot of refinement too.
The number of gucci ARs with glass alone worth far more than $600 means that doesn't really explain it on /k/. Though maybe that there is no real decent budget options is a factor, a lot of people with expensive fancy ARs probably started with cheap ones, maybe even Ship of Theseus'd a cheaper starting AR into a lot of spend over time.
most people that talk shit here just parrot FUD they heard 5 years ago without even attempting to verify it
Same reason I shit talk things that even I like, it's fun and you can't stop me.
You WILL use a 5.56 NATO AR rifle with a red dot sight and a foregrip.
You WILL use a polymer framed 9mm striker fired pistol with a flashlight the pokes passed the muzzle.
I LOVE guns and would have a million if I could afford it.
We're old stubborn men now. We don't want the hip new rifles the kids are using. Obviously they're am advancement, but preferring an AR over a quality bullpup is like boomers preferring the M1A over ARs. The future is now, old men.
Another thing is you're basically asking a truck owner to get a smaller truck. Not happening, he wants his guns as long (and black) as possible. Seriously there are dudes that b***h when others paint their guns, when there's really no practical reason to have a black gun. There's also no practical reason to have your gun be unnecessarily long when you could have the same barrel length in a more space efficient package.
>he wants his guns as long (and black)
hot
you better be 6'2
I would literally remove the little ass they attached to the back and just use it with the end of the receiver against my shoulder maybe with rubber affixed to the back. That is a total engineering fail of an adjustment stock. Kel tec did a better job with their adjustable stock RDB.
Is that a FAMAS ?
It's the only bullpup I haven't hated. Lefty, so choices are slim, it changes ejection side easy with a field strip.
Some of the changes from the vhs are gay, but the swap to ar mags(stanag?) was smart.
>Lefty, so choices are slim,
I thought the AUG could switch between right and left easily?
250$ plus tip then you can swap it to left handed
bullpup this. standard that. where are my side mag rifles?
Back in the last century where they belong.
I think they're neat. Are we actually going to be able to buy them soon, or are they still Croatian vaporware?
https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellion-series/hellion-rifles/
For 2k, it can be yours.
Fantastic news, thank you anon.
Yw.
You can find them for like $1600 on most other retail sites
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/706397956776
The original Croatian grip was fine, there was no need to add AR-grip compatibility to it, also I would've preferred it if it came with the original railed handguard. Whinny gays complaining about its weight are more than welcome to buy a cheap-ass PSA AR.
Those were not arbitrary changes. They were required to import it into the country because of stupid US import laws.
that 3 inches is a game changer TM - larry snickers
I'm currently considering to buy the Tinck Arms Perum (bottom of pic rel) But I'm not sure wether or not to go for the complete rifle 2450€ or just the upper for 1500€.
Afaik it uses a normal AR lower. But to make it foldable you need a lower without a buffer tower. Can you just cut off the buffer tower from a regular AR lower or should you buy one without it from the get go?
one of 3 modern firearms I own, i'm normally a milsurp guy
I just like the halo LARP
Are you me?
It does look like the BR55.
nah MDR has that down pat
Because CT 5.56 basically doesn't exist and nobody is going to buy it because they can't use their buddy's ammo/ too expensive/ government gonna steal my DNA ect
I'll have to add that to my list.
This was my rifle, unfortunately had to sell it but it was picky with .223 anyway. I’m back on non-bullpups and honestly while I liked the MDRX I didn’t trust it to be anything but a range toy.
The guy that ended up with the carry handle put it on his X95, also very BR-55 adjacent. Unfortunately TriStar stopped selling the handle (from on of their shotguns) on its own because once I posted this MDRX online a bunch of people called them about it lol.
UNSC thanks you for your service.
>people wanted product
>company stops selling product
What?
so uh that bullpup shotgun itsself, horrible garbage or decent?
considering i found one for 300 bucks im going to be its going to be less then stellar
It would be a lot better if the barrel was longer.
You must mean Helghast larp.
I am un-ashamed to admit that's why I want one.
Its pretty fun to shoot
>He has two guns I want
I love bullpups, but I hate the controls and feel of the Hellion...Looks cool, but if you want a intermidiate bullpup just get an X95
Haven't bought once because im having enough of a problem feeding my 10/22 with how tight things have been. Put a few magazines through one at the range i go to since i get a free rental. Shoots nice, safety is just odd. Just about everything about it tells you to flip it the opposite way that you need to very surprised there hasn't been some aftermarket parts to change that. Bolt release while awkward isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Since I was only using one mag i can't really tell you too much on the reload but it didn't feel weird when shouldered it before loading. I like it but its out of my range for a while
Why has nobody made a top-fed magazine like the p90 or p50 that accepts telescoped 556?
Please buy them
t.croat
I like it.
I need my kitsune fix, whats the sauce
Dojin patch was a limited run PK did
Charm you can find on Amazon
Stickers and patch were a little something I cooked up
based digits actually doing some of your own stuff yourself even if just stickers/patch.
>gay person likes it
Well it's settled then
Fox girls are the best girls!
I don't like the hellion. I think it looks weird and lumpy, and it feels like a boat anchor when I held one in the gun store. If you gave me one, I'd sell it immediately.
>sell bullpup that comes in both 16” and 20” versions in Croatia
>only sell 16” version stateside
Come on now.
I'm pretty sure they sell the 20" in the US
No they don't.
They also don't sell them with the G36 magwell in the U.S. either,
but they include both the STANAG and G36 magwells in Europe.
Learn to read moron. Someone with above room temp IQ could easily tell that I meant they will eventually.
>I'm pretty sure they sell the 20" in the US
NTA but you're either ESL or just a total douche. Haze yourself.
>I'm pretty sure they sell the 20" in the US
No part of what you said even remotely indicated that "they will eventually."
have a nice day, moron.
>has zero reading comprehension
>gets mad
Ask me how I know you're not White.
Shut the frick up you snide little shit, people like you lose teeth if they talk like this in real life.
Yep. Definitely not White lmao.
Post guns
>can't read
>becomes violent
>gets called not White
>is now coping by demanding guns
I only post my guns for White anons, not violent non White anons like you.
Post guns and hand or gtfo.
Aww what's wrong widdle b***h boy? Did someone get found out as a noguns larper?
Looks cool doesn't work, adjustable lop is worthless too long ergos are shit the trigger will always suck on bullpups.
Bullpup ergos > conventional ergos if you're not already used to conventional.
Yes you already posted this in fpwp you insufferable moron.
Bullpup fan here. Just not the hellion.
>Love bullpups
>Left-handed so can't use them without taking brass to the face
You can change the ejection side on a lot of them.
hellion has selectable ejection sides and brass deflectors on both, this thread is so bad I'm thinking about buying one
It's back on the bucket list! Thanks for that
MDRX is full ambi and is easy to swap ejection port on either side, even ignoring forward eject. There have been other forward eject and even down eject (that keltec one) too. Your info is out of date leftiefriend.
>left handed
A plague on this world that should be dealt with.
Just be normal then
RDB and RFB eject down or forward and are 100% ambi!
AUG is swappable I believe. MDRX is definitely swappable, and has the forward eject mechanism for switching shoulders. There's also the RDB and RFB.
>AUG is swappable I believe.
requires a left handed bolt.
Also, waffle mag stock only. NATO stock is exclusively right handed and doesn't have a bolt release button. The upside to this for the NATO stock is that it doesn't have the left side cover plate, so no worries about it slipping or being an ingress point for dirt. But NATO stock hates lefties.
Just get an FS2000 you silly willy
NTA but time for that was before they were discontinued. In bullpup thread last week some anon was lamenting ignoring advice to get a few, prices apparently have skyrocketed since.
3k on Gunjoker, so like a grand over a normal bullpup. Not terrible, and likely to appreciate in value, so not a terrible idea to pick one up. Sucks they aren't made, because spare parts are kinda hard to sort out.
Doesn't FN still service them if you send them in?
Never sent mine in so IDK. They got military contracts for the F2000, so factory support is a thing, but is it a thing for us peasants? IDK.
Even still, I'd be afraid to break something that couldn't be easily fixed, and with many great bullpups on the market, why bother?
Been trying to get one of the factory optic models and they are pushing 5k now on GB which is fricking absurd.
oof. Yeah frick that. Just email FN every day until they make more. Autistic screeching got the SL8 back, so it can't hurt.
Watch and learn kiddos.
Bought one as my new truck defense gun. I friggin love it. Has almost no recoil, it hasn't jammed on me once, and I can actually move it around inside my semi without bumping into anything. I haven't noticed any half second delay to fire, but I have noticed there's like, a catch in the trigger halfway back, where it feels like you've pulled it, but you haven't. That might be what that Anon is talking about.
Everyone else seems to love the iron sights, but idk.
>Bought one as my new truck defense gun.
Nice where do you park?
>move it around inside my semi without bumping
I have a BRAND-NEW Silverado, and as "spacious" as those are, I can't image they're moreso than a semi, which makes me wonder wtf I'm doing different than people like you who say this.
I can maneuver even 16" AR's and my 12.5" AK just fine in the cab, and plenty of police videos show them doing the same with their eyy arrs, making me think, in the most non-confrontational way possible, this is an imaginary problem.
Got the upgraded hammer and sear springs for my AUG in the mail today. Pretty good. Trigger pull is now closer to 5lb instead of 8lb.
The final version is ugly and the protype was beautiful.
I just wanted a FAMAS in the US
Was initially pretty excited about a bullpup G36 coming to market, but no manual bolt hold open and weird manual of arms have dulled my enthusiasm. I'm going AUG when I get a bullpup.
Why do you want a manual bolt hold open when there's an automatic one
Jam clearance
I just like it bros, never going out of my way to buy a bulpup but some of them look breddy ghoul
Needs the scope
are there any images of a person actually HOLDING a VHS-2? Because the conspicuous lack of images of people comfortable holding a rifle with two foot length-of-pull speaks volumes
At Nra show I went between springfield and JWI to campair it to the tavor and (whatever their new version is called Idk)
VHS had the worse trigger, heavier and LOP isn't great, but what I did like was the balance, with a supressor and optic it was almost neutral, and probably would have a rearward balance when loaded
Would be helpful if you've got noodlearms and want to run suppressed
>trying to imply all the /chug/ pol tourists haveguns
kek
even kmao
chug?
Way to out yourself, tourist.
Sorry I don't go to /misc/.
I have one and I love it so far.
Based, I'd like to have one next to my AUG as well. How do the two compare?
I kinda like the VHS-2 a little more, but I like how stupid easy it is to field strip the AUG.
No him, but they are kind of a mixed bag
VHS
>better trigger
>More forward rail space
>more optics mounting options
>easier to sling
>More accurate on average
>integrated Irons
>Slower but ambi charging handle
>Can run a can w/o unobtanium parts
>Takes USGI mags, but the magwell is way too tight with no flair
AUG
>lighter
>Bespoke mags
>Thicc af barrel profile
>Easier to strip/clean
>better selector
>20" available
>LOP made for humans, specifically ones in armor
>Mag release is actually intelligently placed but not ambi
>Need like $800 to get brought into the 21st century (trigger, extended rails, brass deflector, extended mag catch)
>More forgiving magwell
You will have to pry my AUG off my corpse, but I can see why the VHS could be someone's jam.
>AUG
>Mag release is actually intelligently placed but not ambi
homie you tarded?
Yes he is because he's referring to the *bolt* release
Yeah Freudian slip.
AUG looks sex with a good camo paint. The stock makes a good canvas.
I need to get the winter stock on since it's practically here.
I HATE that Steyr doesn't carry the spare stocks anymore.
The site has them listed for sale, just that they're using all available stock for orders.
Been waiting on a Mud stock for 2 years at this point. May just buy another AUG to get one.
oh man anon do i regret not heading your advice to pick up an adm qd mount for the hamr many moons ago. I cant find one ANYWHERE
You remember me huh? I got mine from optics planet back in 2020
yup, I've been kicking myself every day for the past year or so for not listening to the wise guy in the bullpup threads
flat out a discontinued product form ADM, so i don't think ill be able to get one from OP. and i don't think there's much on the used market side
>jewpup
I kinda want one in ODG
I like mine, not much to complain about besides it spitting gas in my face like its 1941. Aftermarket ejection port cover and some gasket sealer on the gas cylinder fixed it right up.
At this point I want a .308 israelitepup for innawoods protection against oversized teddy bears.
Well gunbroker through optics planet.
I can't get over how moronic the stock looks. It looks like it was generated by a moronic AI
I like mine
I've held it in my LGS and the length of pull is really fricking long, even with the buttstock in the shortest position. This gun is clearly designed for 6.5' Croatian Chads (so not me), who won't care for the heavy weight either. The FAMAS is much more manlets friendly. The ergos are fine but the MDR ones are clearly better imo, except for the adjustable gas position above the barrel, which is neat. The plastic used is kind of ugly but it looks solid. The trigger is still mushy, better than the Aug but worse than a milspec AR obviously. At least it has a clean break. It's probably the closest to a FAMAS you can get right now, that's its main selling point.
Care to show groups ? Do you consider it MOA accurate or worse ?
It makes the gun even heavier to hold when you're shooting standing. Not really an issue for a civilian, but it's kind of a big deal when you're a soldier who has to keep his gun at low ready for an extended period of time.
>It makes the gun even heavier to hold when you're shooting standing. Not really an issue for a civilian, but it's kind of a big deal when you're a soldier who has to keep his gun at low ready for an extended period of time.
Bullpup center of mass is so far back compared to a standard rifle that it makes no frickin difference.
I guess I'm too used to shoot ARs because the Hellion felt uncomfortable to hold because of that LOP.
Not true.
Most memepups other than the Tavor tend to balance around the pistol grip, most non-AK's tend to balance around the back or middle of the magwell, it's not "so far back", and if it were, like the Tavor, it causes more problems than you'd think, though, I think the Tavor is just hot shit in general, so other problems are more "apparent" than just the ass-heavy awkwardness (you don't keep rifles shouldered perfectly level 100% of the time), such as the piss-poor accuracy, gassiness, old problems with the accidental mag releases, and so on.
Also, if you have armor on, the shift is further away from your shoulder, so it's still not as "close" as you might think.
>trigger is "mushy"
>thinks the AR has a good trigger
You notrainings do know what a 2 stage trigger is vs a 1 stage trigger right? Wtf do you mean by mushy? Feels? The feeling of a trigger isn't going to throw your shots.
Milspec AR15 triggers are good.
>It makes the gun even heavier to hold when you're shooting standing
No it doesn't. Bullpup weight is behind your dominant hand so it's easy as hell to hold up for extended periods of time compared to conventional rifles. LOP is definitively a complete meme with modern shooting stances and body armor.
Leverage/muscles doesn't work that way, it's more about it being closer to your shoulder than behind your wrist.
If something is trying to roll over the top of your wrist, it's harder to push it back down than it is to hold something pushing from under your palm.
Shoulder, not hand, that's more what people mean, even if it's still not important like they think it is.
Your left shoulder will tire quicker with a M4 than your right shoulder with the LOP of a bullpup.
I'm a Bong and I find the C8 feels heavier than the L85 despite not being heavier due to the front heaviness. Not that either are heavy and anyone who complains about weight and it's not a GPMG is a massive pussy.
Not necessarily, it's more about how you "mount" the gun and hold it, your sling, plus what you're specifically doing of course, etc. You're also putting more weight into one arm than two besides, think 80/20 instead of 60/40 or similar.
I also see people using bullpups more often rest the barrel on things than non-bullpups for whatever reason, and "rested" shooting is what most people will be doing MOST of the time anyways, but that's more of a "training" issue. (If Marines can learn to short-stock M16's in Fallujah, people can learn not to jam the barrel of their Tavor into concrete walls, for example. Or, at least, I'd hope so.)
But, I was more speaking about the "behind your hand" part of the post rather than the general practicality/utility/etc. of it.
They need to fix the stock on that thing before I cam take it seriously. We like bullpups because they're shorter, why would they stick a long ass ugly stock on it?
needs a longer barrel. Something like 24" would be perfect
Every bullpup is just a not-as-good AUG.
>aug
>good
pick one and only one. was ok for 70s tech and still fun though
>ar-15
>good
pick one and only one. was ok for 50s tech and still fun though
"AR-15" isn't a gun though anon. I guess mindlessly repeating something back with no understanding probably always sounds good in your empty heads though.
>twas only pretending to be moronic with my anime reaction image
Classic.
Can there ever be a bullpup with a glass break trigger or is it physically impossible?
If people weren't so afraid of electronic triggers yeah it would be trivial. Purely mechanical? It's possible but it would be quite bit of engineering.
Wouldn't that come with the caveat of being very easily disabled with remote interference?
No? Stop watching Hollywood shit and thinking it's real.
Why do you say that? According to a quick search an electronic firing trigger sends a charge which ignites the propellant. Why would EMI not impact this?
I think he's talking about an electronic release to a conventional mechanical trigger, rather than electronic ignition.
I could only find two examples of electronic fire groups - one of which sends a charge to ignite the primer, and the other using a current to generate plasma.
Google "solenoid trigger". Its how you fire a gun when you can't access the trigger in a conventional layout (like in a tank or on a plane).
>what is paintball
Electronic != wireless. A solenoid trigger would achieve the goal, but no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan. Solenoid triggers are used in vehicles because they have a power supply anyways, and if they don't they're useless or nearly useless anyways.
>no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan
Nobody uses it because it's not feasible to make an electrically controlled trigger that the ATF won't call a machine gun due to how easily it could be converted for that purpose.
I think that's why you don't really see the digi-trigger much anymore. They said they could make a """forced reset"""-esque model in passing once IIRC, and ATF sent the van immediately.
Speaking of, I hope the FRT lawsuit goes in RareBreed's favor, and soon. I'd love for them to get more developed like the "selectable" model they mentioned (that TommyTriggers already made before they did), or more models, like for AK's especially.
Holy shit anon. Electronic has zilch to do with wireless. Simple wires and circuits even inside shielding are frankly going to be more reliable then mechanical components. Like what fricking decade did you just wake up from? All modern military equipment and doctrine is based heavily on electronics.
>but no one uses that for small arms because depending on a power supply to make gun go bang is not a good plan
No that's not why, it's just that tech wasn't there a few decades ago, the gun industry is conservative and there hasn't been any real driving need. The power is a non-issue, it takes very little so a single battery can go for ages and can be small and it'd be easy to do stuff like just integrate them into a magazine. Charge mag along with reloading it, all it needs is enough power to fire the solenoid the number of rounds the mag holds done.
Although a gun integrated battery (swappable obviously, just another "magazine") with a standard electronic rail would probably be a major improvement vs all the electronic devices we stick on guns each with their own battery. It'd be a lot more fundamentally efficient if they just pulled power from a central source rather then more and more separate batteries each with their own housings and all the other dead matter needed for them.
But again, there wasn't much point. Maybe with smartguns it'll become a thing though, just because if you're going to depend on power ANYWAY might as well squeeze the most out of it.
Why do you homosexuals think I said wireless anywhere in my post? Do electric motors or car starters look wireless to you?
You posted an image primarily about wireless, and posited "interference" of some wireless kind. Given that we have sent electronics into gas giants, around the sun, through electromagnetic storms, run them inside nuclear reactors, use them in critical medical situations, and everywhere else like how fricking dumb can you be to not at least consider that perhaps this is a problem that has been long solved? Even if you're never heard of a "Faraday cage" or hardened circuits or the like? Like, basically aspect of a modern military is highly electronics dependent. High performance modern jets just won't work without computers, they're unflyable, and that's enormously more complex then a simple firing thing. If "EMI" was such a problem literally most of the modern world around you wouldn't work so you should have asked yourself why it does.
The image I posted shows how EMI can interfere with a variety of different electronics.
>Given that we have sent electronics into gas giants, around the sun, through electromagnetic storms
So what you propose is we take billions of dollars of R&D put into shielding billion dollar projects to protect from interference and somehow package that into an affordable firearm.
>most of the modern world around you would work
Consumer electronics are very easily impacted by regular shit you can find driving down the highway already. Have you considered that a traditional trigger group is preferred because it is cheap, it works as long as you don't throw mountains of mud in it, and the zoomer homosexual down the road cannot stop it with a toy from china that the FCC will be assembling the troops to confiscate?
You morons are like the homosexuals that believe in free energy or how Tesla was on the brink of discovering infinite energy but patents are the reason why nobody has replicated his research since. Pic related, you.
Yeah you're literally moronic. If you ever care to learn fine. If not feel free to retreat into typical luddism and your betters will decide as always.
The image you posted is more concerned with how those components put out noise and preventing that than it is worried about your ignition system getting jammed by your neighbor’s hair dryer. Go look at a spark plug and a spark gap jammer and see if you can’t figure out why that’s more of a problem than your fantasy land where hardline circuits go kaput every time someone flips a light switch.
I kinda wanna put my penis in it.
I hear the K&M M17S' have nice triggers, but, I haven't personally been able to confirm myself.
I'd like one each in .223 and .308, but I have other gats I'd like to buy beforehand.
>inb4 discontinued by the time I get to them
Frick your ND inducing triggers. Trigger snobbery is the #1 indicator of a noob with no training. Press it and don't worry about how it "feels"
>wahh I didn't like the way that felt on my widdle finger wahhhh
This shit is ridiculous and I hear it way too often. Just press the trigger, if you can accomplish that the gun works.
Shut the frick up and stop coping. Not every aftermarket trigger is a "hair trigger". If you can get a nicer-feeling trigger, why not get it? I'm sure all those death squad motherfrickers with their Geissele's are just limp-dick homosexuals, right? Can't be anything else, RIGHT?
Jesus Christ, and people wonder why memepuppers are so hated.
> I'm sure all those death squad motherfrickers with their Geissele's are just limp-dick homosexuals, right?
You realise every SF unit in the world uses mil-spec triggers right? Just because they have cushty triggers on their range queens doesn't mean shit.
I do agree bullpup triggers are mushy though, and the AUG trigger is dumb.
>SF uses mil-spec triggers
You know that's not true. Geissele, for example, specifically makes a "SOCOM" trigger and they've never shut up about how it was made for muh SF and whatnot. Let alone the SPR's and such that've come "upgraded" with Geissele's or such.
That's like saying those old Delta 1911/2011's and MEUSOC M45's are "milspec". It just ain't true.
>Mushy bullpups
I'd like to give the M17S' a try, supposedly they're really nice.
I've shot a friend's FS2000 people, and the trigger is indeed weird on that one. Not so much "mushy", more just that it "stages" weird, I guess? Definitely very plastic-y feeling, but of course, the gun is damn-near 90% plastic, so it makes sense.
The OG M17 is pretty ok for its day, but the new ones are fricking baller. Its much lighter than the MDR, but has a less defined "wall" but the pull is like 2mm so ymmv. Supposedly its adjustable, but I haven't fricked with that part yet.
I'd *really* like to get my hands on one (coming from a bullpup-hater too), but I just waited a year and a half for my AK, and going by K&M's site, I really rather not have to go through that again just now, I have other things I'd like to focus on.
I'm even putting off two Form 4's and a Form 1 I had planned, but I'm worried it's gonna be now or never. We'll see.
Anyways, I'd like to really "gamer" them up with a huge frickoff brake, maybe dick around with the recoil springs, add an LPVO, that kind of thing. I took my Mini-14 out to a match recently and it was a lot of fun compared to the same ol' AR and such, so it could be fun, even if I have no expectation of placing high or anything lol
I got mine in about 3 months in 2019. IDK what current production is like.
>this
I shoot fine with mil spec triggers and always have. People who prefer hair triggers are the leading cause of NDs, just learn how to pull the fricking trigger without snatching. Some mfers have never had to double action their first shot and it shows.
>MIL P229
Wait, you're telling me mil-spec triggers are specifically designed to prevent NDs and drop firing?
It's a byproduct but yes, light triggers are not a good thing while operating in non-ideal environments where you might be startled/flinch. Obviously the NYPD takes it too far with their intentionally super heavy triggers.
Desert techs own srs a2 has had a phenomenal trigger since it’s release dude, Bullpups inherently having bad triggers is a shit meme that needs to die
to be fair, it had merit when the options where L85s and FAMASs. Expect now its near 40 years later and that innovation isn't exclusive to making 9mm useful or AR-15s like everyone seems to think
In fairness it must be admitted that the generation 1 MDR didn't have a great trigger from the factory, took I think about 650 rounds to break in, though been a
while. Gen2 (mdrx) is fine so you're correct, but took DT a few tries too.
Is that famas?
Nah it's a G36
I'm 5'9", is the VHS-2 too long for me? No local gun stores have one to hold.
I just like them.
80 years of firearm development and they still haven't been able to beat the champ. How pathetic.
70 years, rather. Korobov was designing his shit in the 50s.
>No optic rail
It's shit
Make a modern version and MAYBE. Though, it'd instantly have to be an SBR, unfortunately.
That thing was a turd.
>best OAL:barrel length ratio of any rifle ever made, designed in an era where semiauto service rifles were just coming into fashion
>turd
Which superior guns have you designed?
Have you seen how the thing actually works? It's a mess in there, it'd be a fricking awful rifle to hand out to communist slav conscripts, it's not at all as idiotproof or rugged as the AKM.
Here's mine
>Can under handguard
Hot
Literally
It doesn't get as hot as fast as quickly as I thought. But yeah. Do a bunch of mag dumps one after another and it heats up
Beautiful. That the 20" aluminum one they recently came out with? I strongly considered it but ended up picking the mantis instead. Pity they didn't do a design on that one that could still accommodate a can, I'd have happily taken a slightly bulgier front. Oh well.
usually takes a good number of mags to warm up and there is still space around it, though poly would be the way to go if really concerned. Can also pick a can that takes longer to get hot I guess.
It's the micron with the shorter aluminum handguard. Can is an oss/huxwurks gen 2 556mants8
Ah, now I notice through the side. Don't think I've ever seen that config, used to seek Micron with the little foregrip even suppressed but that looks damn fun.
I have a mdrx destined can coming hopefully within the next three weeks can't fricking wait. Though god damn it some people just randomly got approvals from July for who the frick knows why.
Out of curiosity was the flow556 not out yet when you got it or did you have some other reason? OSS always has done quality stuff though. While I'm going with CGS for 30cal I think OSS is simply superior for 556.
The flow only just came out recently so theres no way I would have gotten it i submitted the stamp info. I picked up the gen 2 with the flash hider part not too long after it came out. OSS is great if you want something that is less blowback/wear on your firearms. If you want something to be as quiet as possible they are not the best.
Where did you gear the rumors about the gen3/dedicated micron design?
I know someone has turned their .308 MDR into an 8.6 with a custom barrel
>The flow only just came out recently so theres no way I would have gotten it i submitted the stamp info.
Ah, can't be helped then. Can I've got coming is good but similar deal, there is something that might actually be better now and is much cheaper, but it only appeared in the 8 months (and counting) since starting F4, just another little irritation about the whole process.
>If you want something to be as quiet as possible they are not the best.
Actually I think they unironically are the best now for 556. Not at other sizes but the flow is very impressive (AND compact on top). Competitive time right now.
>Where did you gear the rumors about the gen3/dedicated micron design?
I'll see if I can find a video or something for you, it was as part of the conversation around DT doing a big mea culpa on their QC this past, March? Feb? April? Feels like this year has been so long. But they know about things like people really wanting a 300bo Micron, and have officially confirmed that the reason they don't is simply that they can't with the "current gas system". There are a number of little niggling things and stuff they've improved, same as with MDR. So a gen3 would probably be similar to gen2: rolling up a bunch of polishing and so on they've been doing on repairs over time. But they'll probably need a dedicated Micron design anyway to do 300bo, I might be wrong but I suspect complete modularity from 30cal super@20" all the way to 300bo subs at 8" (or even 11") along with full adjustable gas and everything else is just not really optimal. MDR has proven fairly popular from the sound of it, I think they could afford to split the line.
Though obviously it'd remove a nice little bit of legal QOL given the nature of American law which would stink. So I guess that's a factor too.
I wonder if Desert Tech could make like a 5.5" .300 blackout MDRX with an integral suppressor that would end up more or less with the same size as your normal micron? A rifle like that would end up significantly smaller than even the sig rattler with a suppressor. I'd think that at least law enforcement and so on would be interested in something like that because smol.
First that's too short even with subs and you wouldn't be saving anything really because of so much unburned powder, you've lost major sub performance and it's louder/flashier which a longer can would merely maybe negate. 8" is already 3.5" shorter than a Micron and complete burn or close would allow shorter can anyway particularly if integral since you can use asymmetric designs that are still effective (like my Maxim 9 is shorter with 4" barrel then typical equivalent 4" standalone + 9mm can).
That said second MDRX can't do that at all. Can't run 300bo even at Micron length, the gas system simply cannot adjust that much and have it run reliably. That's why they don't offer a Micron in anything but 556. Their are rumors of a dedicated Micron design next year though (as well as a gen 3 MDR), if so that'd be interesting.
12.5" Micron with 8.6bo is another interesting possibility.
>12.5" Micron with 8.6bo is another interesting possibility.
yeah that one kinda interesting cause mdr already built for 30cal supers. that means sbr micron kinda a heavy girl for [email protected]". but 8.6 would turn weakness to strength right? 12" barrel but much heavier round but gun already built for full power 308. mitebcool if 8.6 goes anywhere.
It’s sort of heavy in 5.56 but it’s less so if you compare it to other “ar18” rifles on the market, but compared to the scar 17 or the sr25 it’s much more competitive in the weight department.
weird looking famas you got there dawg
It's great on paper and, by all accounts, great IRL as well, and if it had dropped like a year sooner I'd have probably gotten one instead of my AUG.
I'll always be sad that nobody makes this Model of Korobov bullpup, he was truly ahead of his time
all of those weird guns need a modern reproduction
>FAMAS with fricked proportions
pass
My brother balked at the price tag. Then bought an mdr.
I like bullpups, and it's not made by Isrealis, so it's cool.
>bullpup thread
>not a single P90
shameful
Thanks for adding it. Would be kind of interesting to do a survey or something and see what percent of /k/ owns what bullpups. I know there are a few P90 enjoyers but have zero idea how many.
Or maybe a lot of anons just stick it in its own category alongside PCCs, even vs 5.56 it's in a different lower category of performance. On the completely opposite side of the spectrum, don't see the GM6 Lynx (50bmg bullpup) come up often in these threads either, but I know for a fact at least one or two /k/ommandos have them, came up in a great thread around this time last year and one said he loved it, one of his favorite guns. But in terms of cost/size/performance it took is obviously in an entire different category from all the normal ones that get brought up. Both are wicked cool guns though.
it annoys me a little that more people have the latest zoom zoom FOTM novelty bullpup that will be forgotten in time instead of something more cool and timeless like an AUG, P90, F2000, Tavor, etc. i would include famas but i realize that's impossible to get anyways.
>it annoys me a little that more people have the latest zoom zoom FOTM novelty bullpup
wat. Is there any such thing? Like what "novelty" one has happened even in the last few years? MDR is one of the newer ones and that's like 6 years old now. Bullpups are still relatively unpopular overall vs ARs and while yeah there are many more options it's still a niche and nothing like other guns. And a lot of us who have them are not interested in "cool" or "timeless" whatever the frick that means, they're our actual primary rifle. Functionality is the point. And since bullpups have only gotten a fraction of the development of normal guns it makes sense there is more low hanging fruit. I have no particular issue with what you listed (except that the F2000 isn't even made anymore right?), but I don't think there's anything wrong with those interested in ongoing development either.
Definite enjoy then. There are some neat accessories as well nowadays. Check that PDF I posted earlier though and make sure the gun you get doesn't have those screw issues. If it's a brand new MDRX then I think it's sorted, same with the charging handle, but make sure since it's an easy thing. And put a decent number of rounds through it first to shake it down before taking it out. If you get a normal good one it'll be solid, if there's any QC problems might as well discover them early.
I have a ps90 i havent had form 1'd yet, but i still love it as a plinker and HD gun. 50 round mag of SS198lf is enough id wager
5.7 is a touch rich for my blood for plinking but no doubt very fun. For HD yeah absolutely solid. But probably you're not pushing out to hundreds of yards either? Still a cool platform.
effective range on 5.7 is 200m, so kind of but ehh would want to. 100m and in is stellar
Sure and "effective range" on 5.56 is like 1000yd or something moronic according to the military, by which they mean it can theoretically cause debilitating injury (60 fpe I think is the threshold?). But not something generally expected to engage that far and for hunting one needs way way more to be ethical.
100yd sure though. And while in that range I'm sure lots would prefer 300bo subs those are a solid 20% more expensive then 5.7 even.
ya but you dont get a p90 or 50 rounds thats sit flush, also its 300 BLACK out, gross
whats the deal with .300bo? i dont really get its use case over 5.56
People who want really really short ARs and/or want to suppress things. Personally I don't see much utility in it. It's one of those things where people force an AR into a role it wasn't particularly designed for. Probably helps that a round with guns already engineered for it like 7.62x39 is a cluster frick to get a good one in the states. If you want a short rifle, bullpup it so you can use non meme ammo.
Maybe one day ill get this dream gun
>whats the deal with .300bo? i dont really get its use case over 5.56
5.56 suppresses like absolute shit. That's the reason for 300bo. Then people also decided to make supers with it because might as well, but the point was to have something out of an 8" barrel subsonic and effective to 100yd or so with good suppression characteristics. That's it. I don't actually use it myself, I just have 22, 9mm and 308 lol. But I've heard it with friends and it does work. 8.6bo that came up earlier in thread is basically "can we extend subsonic to 200-300yd?" I don't know if they can but that'd allow subs for basically any NA hunting at all short of weird edge cases like elk in the west or something.
Hah, I've given up the torch on that one. But it's interesting how the concept grabbed people and still gets brought up. Maybe someday.
is the RDB reliable nowadays? It looks like the perfect bullpup
also, fun thread everyone. Learned some new stuff, hope to see a few of you with new gats in threads down the road.