Bulgarian arms industry

So Bulgaria is producing 120k shells on contract for Germany this year alone. Is Bulgaria secretly an industrial superpower? Why can they shit out so many? Now the question remains who the frick is providing the 800k to the czechs..

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely South Korea, both Koreas realized reunification is impossible and now they have huge stockpiles of weapons and munitions to get rid of

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      ROK seems to be doing nothing but stomping its feet and pissing its pants while the Norks continue testing missiles and sending surplus to Russia

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ROK is basically the "muh escalation" meme but actually real. They have all the reason to help or even just sell Ukraine weapons now with norks becoming Russia's biggest supplier of shells, but they are afraid of escalating the conflict.
        Japs can't ammend their constitution soon enough, they'd drown Ukraine in their old shit if not for that.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Becuase we the US will not let them do anything lest we escalate things unnecessarily

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >both Koreas realized reunification is impossible
      >munitions to get rid of
      that's the exact opposite of what that means

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's the free capacity of the TEREM line, that got reopened last year. All the Dunarit and VMZ lines have been working at capacity since 2022.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WvN9W-dEXy2kCGyTsjmhbFrrhUCn3eMo/view

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WvN9W-dEXy2kCGyTsjmhbFrrhUCn3eMo/view
      what ami i seeing?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Contract for the supply of 400k 155mm artillery shells.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So Bulgaria is producing 120k shells
    That's cute, but Norks sold russia some 3 million shells.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Norks sold russia some 3 million shells.
      Yeah, from the 1970s stock.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        Wait, do /misc/ morons think north korea is sending an amount they can continually produce??? They've sent a significant amount of their stockpile from the last 70 years because they know a conventional war is futile. There's a reason they want help with their nuclear program bad enough they'll burn through all of it.

        Satellite images clearly show that their factories are running non stop, RoK has tracked 6700 cargo containers/rail cars worth of traffic so far. The initial surge came from stocks but they are obviously making new stuff as well, since Russia is desperate they will take the old stuff while the Norks keep the newer production.

        3 million a year is unlikely, assuming Russia diverts enough inputs 1 million a year is doable.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Satellite images clearly show that their factories are running non stop
          OK, let me explain something to you; the world existed before Feb 2022.

          So BEFORE Russia invaded Ukraine, there was this thing called the "Korean War", you don't remember it because you weren't born yet. It was called that because it was a war which happened in Korea, a place in Asia.

          Now follow along; the war ended in kind of a stalemate, with the North controlled by a quasi-communist dynasty which from that point on has held their population in a state of perpetual heightened alert. During this long period (which is still ongoing) the North Koreans have been importing and manufacturing artillery pieces and ammunition, but they haven't been shooting all of it.

          So what they do is put the ammunition in boxes, and put the boxes in buildings. And they do this like busy little bees for over half a century until Russia asks to buy some of it.

          So this is what you need to understand; the productive capacity of North Korea is not represented by the timeframe of the Russian purchase order, it's represented by the timeframe from the Korean War until the present day.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's represented by the timeframe from the Korean War until the present day
            shells don't last long

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Shells actually last longest they can be easily stored 40-50 years, even stretched into 70-80 years.
              Arty things that fail first are powder charges, then fuses.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                this sounds like a theoretical exercise for fixed shells stored under controlled humidity.
                in practice, the US, despite having produced tens of millions of shells during CW, used shiny fresh shells for GWOT.
                also those are semi-fixed. charges are separate.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The M107 was approved for use in 1958 and issued to the army from 1959. Its intended replacement is the M795, manufacture of which began in 1999.
                US cold war stocks are much much less powerful M107. US opted to deploy new shiny wundervaffen M795.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                here's an US Army inventory from 1995.
                how come it's only 3 million M107? surely the US produced a magnitude more.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gee, maybe the US Army doesn't waste money on obsessively hoarding old shit like the Russians do?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this sounds like a theoretical exercise for fixed shells stored under controlled humidity.
                >in practice, the US, despite having produced tens of millions of shells during CW, used shiny fresh shells for GWOT.
                >also those are semi-fixed. charges are separate.

                The US can store trillions of shells forever in the high deserts of the western USA but it doesn't. The reason for fresh shells for GWOT is because USA switched to just in time logistics to save a buck.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The magic of slave labor

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        South Korea intelligence says that the norks can make minimum 2 million artillery shells per year and can double the amount within one year if they decide reactivate some of their mothballed production lines.

        Technically best Korea has the world largest production of artillery shells now just because they kept their Soviet era factories in working conditions.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >our enemy can make X amount of shells
          Is that the same kinda intelligence that caused the US MIC to build vastly superior equipment as counters to shit Russia pretended to have?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >South Korea intelligence says that the norks can make minimum 2 million artillery shells per year
          Is that when they are having a famine or when they are about to have a famine? Can you be specific you moronic vatBlack person turd world nupol jerking spastic? What's it like living in a fantasy universe where North Korea has greater production and manufacturing abilities than Russia, the EU or the USA? Is it nice there in moron land? Are you hitting 18 holes in one on your round of golf as well?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, artillery shell production isn't difficult. Assuming you have the raw products and the manpower to do it it's surprisingly straightforward. Of all estimates you could mock, North Korean shell production is probably the worst one to pick.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Anon, artillery shell production isn't difficult
              Its very difficult to make perfectly concentric and sized artillery shells and fill them with headed liquid high explosive but because you're a fricking moron you don't know that. Each weighs in excess of 45 kilos with filler and would have combined weight of 45 million kg or about 450,000 Tons for your three million nearly 1.5 million tons . Of perfectly concentric and sized projectiles.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >liquid high explosive
                Anon...

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's propellant. You have no idea what you are talking about do you? You have literally no idea

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's talking about the shell, which usually has the molten HE poured into it during production, not the propellant

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The PRE WAR market price for a 155 artillery shell was about 2000 dollars. If North Korea managed to make 3 million artillery shells in a year it would be producing armaments with a market value of 6,000,000,000 dollars. Six billion or 12.5% of North Korea entire GDP while using 60% of the iron ore available to North Korea. This is the same North Korea that had people starving to death and families committing group suicides due to starvation last summer.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Making accurate geometric shapes can be achieved perfectly with 1910s machinetools. What do you think they were doing in WW1. Shel shapping isnt the issue. For the West our issue is raw materials and labour. Especially nitrates for the ammunition (Russia was a major exporter). The rest is labour cost. Work costs a lot in western countries.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No you don't understand. North Korea is the BAD GUY so they can't be doing it better than us.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            NK minmaxed during character generation and decided agriculture was their dump stat. They pour everything into the military and say frick you to the starving peasants. Starving peasants can't into revolution because they're conditioned to be submissive cattle.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Brainwashed cumstain anglos can't revolt

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Actually, North Korea is one of the world's largest exporters of food

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Is that when they are having a famine or when they are about to have a famine?
            With amount of money from shells contract they would have nor problem to buy food Russians.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >120k shells
      A single russian factory produces more than that tho

      The power of magical dreams !

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      JUCHE-SAMA I KNEEL

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Best Korea always delivers.
      Of course you have to take the failure rate into account as well as the occasional in battery detonation, but beggars can't be choosers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia needs 3 millions to gain a town after a year
      >Ukraine needs 120 000 shells to kill toy isands of Russian fighters
      It is all a point of perspective.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a year
        10 years. 8 years of being on the frontline, 2 years of near-daily attacks, 5 months of strategic focus just to have the Ukrainians walk out of your encirclement.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sold from reserves.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Norks sold russia some 3 million shells
      3 million shells which they've been making and having donated to them for 71 years.
      Bulgaria's GDP is over 5x that of NK.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      NO REFUNDS

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So it's effectively damn near half of what North Korea could drag out of decades worth of stockpiling, given a shell fired by western artillery systems are individually worth 10+ times as much as one fired by russian artillery.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what western artillery system?
        Bulgaria is producing Soviet 122m artillery shells. there's no western howitzer that can fire that.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Okay, so I guess it's only like 5+ due to western ISR and ukrainian competence.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            western ISR?
            you don't need recon sats for the range of tube artillery. drones make the battlefield transparent for both sides.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Are you genuinely moronic, or just pretending to?

              >drones
              Another thing the Ukrainians hold an indisputable advantage in.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >nork shells

      >120k shells
      A single russian factory produces more than that tho

      No such thing as a proper working factory in Russia anymore, anon.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What does this amount to? How bad are Nork shells? Do we know yet? How long has Russia been using mostly Nork shells instead of their own stocks/produced shells?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          it amounts to someone not knowing what shells are and confusing them with propellant cases

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      of which like 100k actually work

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They sold a share of their stockpile (likely in exchange for rocket tech) and they stopped this week because they've run out. This surge allowed puccians to conduct an offensive that captured avdeevka at the expense of quarterly AFV output (production + refurbishment) and about 50 000 KIA/WIA and failed everywhere else. Puccians are now trying to maintain momentum by relying on airpower, and thus their airforce is sustaining crippling losses (much like their Ka-52 fleet in 2023, which ended up being effectively knocked out at least for the duration of this war).

      pussians are losing the attritional fight so hard it's not even funny anymore, and Europe is only ramping up production of 155mm.

      By the way, Bulgaria produces 152mm and 122mm at a constant rate. It's not that they're a powerhouse, it's just one of the few former WP countries aligned with the West that haven't dismantled their factories yet.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >By the way, Bulgaria produces 152mm and 122mm at a constant rate. It's not that they're a powerhouse, it's just one of the few former WP countries aligned with the West that haven't dismantled their factories yet.
        this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >A nation at full-time war production produces ammunition at full-time war production rates
      Wow, how shocking

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      north korea just up and stopped shipping new ordinance last week, they are likely waiting on new raw materials.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Or Russia realized half their gold was gone.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >120k shells
    A single russian factory produces more than that tho

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not anymore. Russia's artillery dominance is over.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's insane how little they achieved with 63k shots a day, holy frick

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        those estimates are from September 2023.

        meanwhile Ukraine Defense Minister Umerov said in Feb 2024:
        "Russia vastly outnumbers us in daily artillery attacks. At different areas of the front and stages of hostilities, they fired 5-10 times more artillery shells than the Ukrainian forces.”

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mostly due to actually running out unfortunately since the US is fricking around.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is mostly because Ukraine is essentially dry on ammo and assumed the US wouldn't have dropped supplying them.

        Good news is that Russia is rather low too though, it's why they've been losing planes like shit, they're using glide bombs to shore up their lack of artillery shells while dumping in meat waves.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's just cheaper to make them in Bulgaria. It's also why Rheinmetal are building a new ammunition factory in Hungary and bought a Spanish armaments company. Lower labor costs = higher profits.

    https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2023/jan-mar/2023-01-17_capacity-building-for-ammunition-production-in-hungary

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rheinmetall started construction of a new shell plant in Germany a few weeks ago, so cost can't be the defining factor.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >so cost can't be the defining factor
        They are, but so are politics.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Profit is a factor but the EU probably wanted to spread the jobs to other countries

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hungary

      I wouldn't trust those unreliable pieces of shit. They could slap some moronic condition that the shells can't be used against Russians without a warning.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Lower labor costs = higher profits.

      Bulgaria does not have any green energy policies.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine will never be able to compete with russia in the artillery realm. All the west combined can't shit out more than russia+norks. It's frankly pathetic.
    Ukraine should focus on fpv droned, long range comms for them and on some precision munitions.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We shouldn't need arty because we have air forces and SEAD
      But Ukraine is fought like WW2 or maybe even WW1

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The west can outproduce them, they just don't want to because muh economy and muh profit margins. The West just isn't taking this war seriously.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The west can outproduce them, they just don't want to because muh economy and muh profit margins.
        Exactly, Wolfsburg alone probably has a higher output than the entire Russian manufacturing sector.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You could've just said VW

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The west can outproduce them
        The west hardly builds anything compared to 2005, let alone 1965. You are delusional if you think western DEI infested stock market scam MIC companies can out produce even just Best Korea

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      westoid countries surely can produce as much, if not more. it's all political will problem. putin and kim sucked each other dicks then transfered millions of shells. While western countries are afraid of election and economic impact + US blocking aid

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >While western countries are afraid of election and economic impact
        The economic impact would be great actually, the arms industry is still industry = jobs. The populace here is just gay and cowers at the word war

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >get mogged by norks and russia in shell production
      >get mogged by china in fpv production
      It was over before it even began for the west

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If only there were weapons other than unguided artillery shells and consumer drones. But alas, the West is doomed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So Bulgaria is producing 120k shells
      That's cute, but Norks sold russia some 3 million shells.

      Wait, do /misc/ morons think north korea is sending an amount they can continually produce??? They've sent a significant amount of their stockpile from the last 70 years because they know a conventional war is futile. There's a reason they want help with their nuclear program bad enough they'll burn through all of it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They still have decade old factories still running, quality is not the best but its better than nothing

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They've sent a significant amount of their stockpile from the last 70 years because they know a conventional war is futile.
        That's the buried lede in all this. They're selling grandpa's old rifles at the buyback because they care more about paying rent than grandpa's dreams.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wym? Bulgaria's always had an expansive arms industry for their size. They've even been supplying Ukraine on the down low since the beginning of the war.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They produce guns and ammunition for everything from Soviet export gear to 155mm NATO artillery pieces. This should be common knowledge on /k/ of all places.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Like bro, 20 seconds on wikipedia gives you this, made in Hungary. What do you think this is? It's clearly an RPG-7 variant/modernization. It's called the ATGL-L but it's obviously an RPG-7. They also make an SPG-9 variant to go along with it.

        The west can outproduce them, they just don't want to because muh economy and muh profit margins. The West just isn't taking this war seriously.

        It's not that, it's the perceived lack of need to go full balls to the wall with 155mm production when there's already ludicrously expensive high tech precision munitions rolling off production lines. Don't act like in a real war Russia wouldn't be receiving 8 SDBs per F-16 sortie.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Interesting. Is that fuze designed to negate slat armor?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a training aid. Notice that everyone is wearing those lasertag vests.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This should be common knowledge on /k/ of all places.
        I was Arsenal-pilled years ago, I love the Shipka.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Half of the people on this board are fat moronic American wiggers who think unironically arming every moron is a good thing. Their weapon knowledge ends at "muh .45 won 2 world wars". Don't expect any actual weapon knowledge or even fricking knowing where Bulgaria is from them. Hell they get the most kino war of our lifetime and all they do is complain that their stupid wigger echo chamber threads how to risk 20 years in jail for a Black personrigged machine gun get pushed back.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I know anon. I had an interaction with a moron a few months ago that was apparently bored of footage of ATGMs killing tanks. Imagine, as a military enthusiast, getting bored of 4K footage of ATGM engagements.

          The only thing this war is missing is high fidelity footage and documentation of air and naval warfare. Like "60 minutes in the CIC of a Burke class during an engagement with the PLAN" or "go-pro strapped to an F-35 pilots head while he hits a Russian C2 complex" tier. EVERYTHING else we have so much footage a lot of it has been lost, or source copies have been lost, just because nobody came into this expecting it to be both this active and this well documented.

          WW2 historians would kill for an equivalent level of documentation. Imagine 4K footage with drone recordings and signals intercepts of the Battle of Kursk. Or Pearl Harbor.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            We literally got a GoPro of a frogfoot driver ejecting from low alt.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Like "60 minutes in the CIC of a Burke class during an engagement with the PLAN"

            I was actually thinking of writing a short naval action story where Shaqueesa the stronk blaque womyn radar officer discovers multiple 2000 knots inbound contacts on the radar plot when on station outside Taiwan in 2033. <beep> <beep> <beep> Wat dees sheeit! WAT DEES SHEEIT! Dees cracka bullshit thing done start makin cracka noises n sheeit!

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >who the frick is providing the 800k to the czechs

    I mean do you really want to know? The answer is a little bit obvious.

    The Czechs are.
    They opened up one of their cupboards and took out half the stockpiles.

    When you are a dumping ground for everyone's materiel and UXO you can just refurbish a whole bunch of ammunition and you'll know just about everyone willing to play around with old propellants and charges to keep everything going.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nice, makes me feel good a shell produced here will kill vatniks

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    NATO was always a defensive pact
    you can frick around if you like to find out

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I'd like to know how Russia benefits even if they won
    They get a bombed-out shell of a country plus the war economy ending means they have to get some sort of economic stimulus or crash

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You see, you don't care about Ukraine in the slightest, that's why you instantly shift your attention to russia. I only care about Ukraine, so to me how russia suffers is irrelevant.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I care but I can't do shit by myself
        Euroboomers are simply cowed by the thought of dying to nukes and nothing can convince them to back a war

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bulgarian here.
    We are actually a major producer of ammo and weapons from the soviet times, got a few factories specialized in churning out such, with one more restarting its shell production.
    If kebab or vatnik is to be removed, we are happy to help.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i've had 5 different brands of pickles from your country, and all were absolutely top tier amazing.

      there's stores with foreign stuff like big lots here and aldi and lidl.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for my Bulgarian AKs bro, Sam7k and Sam7SF are good to go. Please sell US civilians more AK74s please.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why does ziggers believe NATO wants do invade Russia? Its a dystopian hellhole crossdressing as a petrol station. Literally all NATO wants is for Russians to stay within their own fricking borders and stop having delusions of grandure

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its pure projection on their part.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Double of truth!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn man, guess they’ll just have to move their country somewhere else now that feels threatened

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why would Russia feel threatened?

        >NATO expanded to their borders!
        wow, so NATO invaded and military conquered all the territories next to Russia?

        >err, these countries asked (Poland literally forced its way in) to join NATO to prevent Russia from invading them

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Obligatory

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Poland literally forced its way in
          story?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            ?t=1043

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does ziggers believe NATO wants do invade Russia?

      They're projecting, as always.

      >What would I do if I was that strong and rich? Subjugate and conquer!

      So they're eternally afraid of what NATO would do, because they themselves would do it.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah, their 'elites' don't really think that west wants to invade them. But this thing tho
    >Russians to stay within their own fricking borders and stop having delusions of grandure
    Is unbearable for them. And the glavset really believes they can use brute force to scare the west from retaliation next time they decide to move their borders.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >get russians to stop having delusions of grandeur
      >my face when

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If NATO wanted to militarily conquer Russia, why didn't they do it during the 90's when it had not way of defending itself?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mainly because they didnt want to be nuked

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If NATO had attacked between 1992 and 1994 they probably wouldn't even have known where the launch codes were.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The west wanted Russia to be prosperous and stop needing constant western aid every few years of its existence

          Even if we suppose nukes were out of the question it still wouldn’t be easy to say the least. They had much more soviet leftover equipment, just simply fricking it over economically and politically and hoping it wouldnt be a problem for the next 50 years would be much easier

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The west wanted Russia to be prosperous and stop needing constant western aid every few years of its existence

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >west wanted russia to be prosperous
          >supported the secret police take over
          pick one

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ok so then what's the issue?
        why is russia threatened? they have nukes
        the answer is they aren't, they just want to expand because they have a dwindling population

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          They just want to rebuild the USSR, as there is nobody to serve them now, so they wallow in their own shit, with even India unwilling to eat it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its "2% of BNP for defence budget", not 2% of BNP for HIV and tetanus prevention"

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >noooo, your not allowed to have a gun and some friends incase the local crackhead chimps out (again). Yes he has broken in and shit on the carpet before, but think if his feelings

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >violating previous treaties which prohibited this
    Which treaties would that be?

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Jarvis, google the winter war

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Winter War could have easily ended in total defeat. To this day I don't know why Stalin elected not to occupy the whole country - probably because Finland is rather big and he likely realized that having significant forces there would weaken him too much elsewhere

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because he couldn't?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Finland lost a ton of land forever. Good analogy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Polish soviet war is a better analogy in terms of country sizes/populations, go look up how that one ended

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bruh I'm Ukrainian and know our history better than you do yours. That war didn't look anything like this one.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You mean the war where there was a Polish army made up of an armoured corps who served under the French on the Western front, and several infantry corps trained and equiped by the Germans, faced off against a bunch of Russian peasants armed with horses and rifles?

          The poles had several regiments of Renault FT-17, biplanes, British naval support, and combat experience. Its not comparable.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >several infantry corps trained and equiped by the Germans, faced off against a bunch of Russian peasants armed with horses and rifles?
            Yeah that actually does sound pretty comparable

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >muh land
        what are you compensating with that, you dumbass moron?
        Russians in Karelia are still shitting in their outhouses, barely making it, while only few kilometers from there Finns are living their comfy life as 1st worlders

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh wow, russians are being russians on my land, that should make me feel better. Do you have any idea how much land they stole? It's fricking crazy, and not just Donbas, which I don't care much about, but the South where my relatives lived. You dumb westoids annoy me so much it hurts

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            take your pills, schizo
            read what you wrote, then read what i wrote

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You dumb westoids annoy me so much it hurts

            Remember that the russians managed to ethnically cleanse finns thanks to political and physical support (lend-lease) from USA and Great Britain.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh wow, russians are being russians on my land, that should make me feel better. Do you have any idea how much land they stole? It's fricking crazy, and not just Donbas, which I don't care much about, but the South where my relatives lived. You dumb westoids annoy me so much it hurts

        >What is a pyrrhic victory

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >losing 10% of your country is considered the greatest victory in finnish history
      kek

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >a hostile military alliance that has expanded right to its border
    It's not our fault that Russia's neighbors are so worried about being invaded that they choose to join us: Russia only has themselves to blame for being such a terrible hedgemon to live under that nobody who has suffered it wants to risk it ever happening again. Their actions in Ukraine over the past two years have only served to remind everyone of this fact, and vindicate those nations' decision to join NATO.
    Blaming the invasion of Ukraine on NATO expanding is blatantly just a post-hoc rationalization of Russian imperialism when you consider that even if they successfuly managed a bloodless annexation of Ukraine, holding it would result in them having even more land border with NATO members.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >violating previous treaties which prohibited this
    such as?

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >still attempting the "Euromaidan was a color revolution" angle
    Dude.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >violating previous treaties which prohibited this
    For example?

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's not over until it is. And even if Russia ends up winning, at what cost? War-torn ruins in Donbass, Sweden + Finland in NATO and Europe starting a rearmament and MIC. Not worth imo

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I DON'T FRICKING CARE ABOUT THE COST THEY PAY YOU FRICKING MORON. My country is getting ruined, not theirs, and not yours

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hello sirs

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        India is being ruined???
        by the pakis you mean?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Russoids would ruin it regardless
        Some of the first footage of the invasion showed them strafing civilian cars for fun and lobbing bombs at small villages

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Give the fricking weapons you fat sack of corn syrup. If you hadn't supported us in the first place we would at least have known what to do. Now when you betrayed us we're already too far gone.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Weapons and shells are still coming, Europe is ramping up production
            Blame Muttland for tying tens of billions in military aid to their election cycle

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      jewtin can start a eugenics breeding program at will by even giving it's own incel population a decent cut. U can't with all the incels u've created be it arabcels, Black personcels or whitecels, who'll start a civil war if something like that was even proposed, thx to feminism ur politicians embraced. Cry moar

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nice erotic fantasies you got there

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        So why won't he? Russia has worse odds of demographic collapse than anyone else.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          China's case is far worse. Absolute numbers matter.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >your brain on zigger cope

    If Pidoruzzia wanted to be safe they would have just kept to their signed agreement to protect Ukraine's territorial integrity.
    Now they'll lose all their crime -ea assets anyway

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Ukraine isn't yours, zigger. You don't get to decide what they do and what they vote for.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's obvious they've invaded to turn it into Belarus 2.0

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    why is it always about sex and abusing prostitutes with you people holy frick

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Life revolves around physical and reproductive survival.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    Imagine trying to demoralize your countrymen. Wait, nah you're Russian.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >previous treaties which prohibited this
    Can we see those treaties?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think he's talking about that treaty where Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in return for eternal safety guaranteed by Russia...

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That treaty was promise of no attack from Russia (broken) and full defense from USA and UK (also broken)
        Don't be Ukraine, never give up your nukes

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    speak for yourself buddy, my life is going excellent in the past 20 years

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Why would Russia feel threatened by neighbouring countries asking a military alliance for protection from Russia
    Ftfy

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So the Kostenetz line finally got reactivated?

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    what chud even mean?

    Captcha: SYSGY

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The chud are mythological ethnic group of 6FT blonde hair blue-eyed warrior that would periodically frick up Eastern Europe.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >It's not the point. Ukraine has basically lost.
    Russia lost the war October 22. To me you sound like a lunatic. Go leave where being a moronic frickwit fits in.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    based Bulgaria contributing its part, appreciated.

    t. kraut

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this, also EU here, nice one Bulgaria, based.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this, also EU here, nice one Bulgaria, based.

      This. EU Chads can't stop winning, or killing ziggers. Good.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Bulgaria
    >Produce

    They'll deliver 120k shells, but they definitely didn't make them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bulgarian here.
      We are actually a major producer of ammo and weapons from the soviet times, got a few factories specialized in churning out such, with one more restarting its shell production.
      If kebab or vatnik is to be removed, we are happy to help.

      >Bulgarian here.
      >We are actually a major producer of ammo and weapons from the soviet times, got a few factories specialized in churning out such, with one more restarting its shell production.
      >If kebab or vatnik is to be removed, we are happy to help.

      They produce guns and ammunition for everything from Soviet export gear to 155mm NATO artillery pieces. This should be common knowledge on /k/ of all places.

      >They produce guns and ammunition for everything from Soviet export gear to 155mm NATO artillery pieces. This should be common knowledge on /k/ of all places.

      Wym? Bulgaria's always had an expansive arms industry for their size. They've even been supplying Ukraine on the down low since the beginning of the war.

      >Wym? Bulgaria's always had an expansive arms industry for their size. They've even been supplying Ukraine on the down low since the beginning of the war.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bulgarian arms industry directly employs 80 thousand people

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't Germany make their own ammunition?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Germany doesn't have any Soviet 122mm mortars

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They do, though. It's been a good two years to be a Rheinmetall stockholder.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My crypto literally did more than that in the last six months. Why are stockholders such cucks?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh crypto
          You're trying to compare a rollercoasting pyramid scheme with an actual, real-life company producing actual, real-life goods. Silly.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            KGV of 37.39 makes it overrated.
            value investors would go elsewhere.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >KGV of 37.39 makes it potentially overrated.
              FTFY. And no surprise KGV is high after more than 330% increase in two years due to sudden, massive increases in demand and the company expanding production to answer it. High investment always drives up KGV.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >6 months
          bitcoin is 3.2x since dec 2017 and its volatility is horrendous. Many tech stocks fared better even on returns and destroyed btc on downward volatility. You're comparing buying some random lower point on an arbitrary timeframe.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bulgaria during soviet times had massive ammunition production capabilities, they inherited them.
    BTW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gorni_Lom_explosions

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Bulgaria inherited its arms industry from Bulgaria

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Poiny is soviet block run planned economy. Which country build what plants was decided in the Kremlin not in Bulgaria. Kremlin decided to build ammo plants in Bulgaria for Kremlin needs. After Warsaw pact and USSR fall Bulgaria inherited these plants.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's really not that impressive by historical standards, just look at how many shells got used in WW1 battles. It's just that most heavy industried in the western world have been gutted.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      meanwhile in reality:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Crisis_of_1915

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You missed my point entirely, but go off

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I half read your comment before replying. its funny you angrily replied so fast before i could delete lmao

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >angrily
        Dunno how you could interpret anger into that
        >so fast
        PrepHoleX, baby

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The German taxpayers are paying this of course. Germany always causing problems.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >confusing rounds with shells

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why doesn't Kyiv just buy 122mm from Russia if they are so corrupt?

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