>build your entire foreign policy around hypersonic missiles
>the US just slapped one down with a fucking Patriot
don’t forget to laugh at china
>build your entire foreign policy around hypersonic missiles. >the US just slapped one down with a fucking Patriot
>US
More like some Ukrainian dudes who spent a few weeks training on it.
the missile knows where it is, missiles don't need training
The missile knows where it is by knowing where it isn't.
The missle subtracts where is is from where it should be and this is called error.
the missile knows where the west side is
>laugh at china
why?
Cause chinks are the true enemy, their words, not mine.
China has continually puffed up the tech as well and keeps pretending it will sink a carrier. Despite that they are fast, maneuverable, hard to find at sea, usually not alone, etc. Or that all of the speed advantage of hypersonics is lost during manuevering.
>Despite that they are fast, maneuverable, hard to find at sea,
Lol no. Chinese sat track your carriers 24/7
>Implying the Chinese are a competant military power
Not even once, at any point in history, ever. No exceptions. Why would you lie about shit like this on the internet you scoundrel?
>American education
>He has no response
>Chinese sat track your carriers 24/7
Do you know how satellites work? They are either geosynchronous orbit or an orbit that flies around the plant in a predictable path. They dont shadow ships or any moving craft. The amount of geo synchronous satellites you would need to cover all of the world's oceans with precision to track a carrier would be astronomical. The U.S. actually can track ships by using an array of hydrophones and attack subs. The former couldn't be used to target a ship and the later would just attack the ship itself. Nevermind that a U S. Naval group would be fully aware of a Chinese sub shadowing it.
It really isn't as hard as you think. They can already track individual aircraft right now and future AI advancements will effortlessly root out the signal from the noise. From china's jilin 1 satellite:
https://twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/1325377922228629507
It's not hard either to find and then track ships via wakes via cheap, large constellations of SAR micro sats just in case you didn't know. And this capability is rapidly increasing over time.
https://www.arabobserver.com/us-intelligence-chinas-army-owns-about-half-of-the-worlds-isr-systems/
>jilin-1 constellation can actually track aircraft
Fuck me, I didn't know it was that good. I was just shitposting.
It's fake. A sat in sun-synchronous orbit should move while tracking, and it's not stationary in a geosynchronous orbit. Congrats, you fell for CCP external propaganda from the SCIO and CAC.
>It's not hard either to find and then track ships via wakes via cheap, large constellations of SAR micro sats
Synthetic-aperture radar? The mapping technology? The one that specifically relies on relative motion while its target stays still to generate the synthetic-aperture effect and enhance resolution? That's what they're tracking wakes with? I doubt it. Maybe that's why your article doesn't mention it.
If you somehow think SAR imaging sats are incapable of tracking wakes, and that other components in the killchain cannot action on this data to narrow down the search space, I don't know what to tell you. Believe whatever you want.
>If you somehow think SAR imaging sats are incapable of tracking wakes
Can you show me China able to do it?
>and that other components in the killchain cannot action
Exactly what other parts? Be specific, my han-mutt fren.
I absolutely believe commercial satellites in general are capable of doing such a thing, but I would love to see the specific slide deck you're pulling that graphic from to better understand specifically how China is using SAR microsats to do so.
>ut I would love to see the specific slide deck you're pulling that graphic from to better understand specifically how China is using SAR microsats to do so.
Not the chinsect, but here it is: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/12/18/2869
Thank you. Based off of the description provided, I would still like positive confirmation this is actively being done, but it sounds plausible enough.
For high speed, low wind conditions, maybe. Seems to rely on perfect sea states to accomplish the track.
The US literally can track them with the space based early warning sat.
looks like neocon propaganda to try to start war with iran
>Chinese sat track your carriers 24/7
Proof? What sats, exactly?
>What sats, exactly?
Jilin-1 Gaofen-02E
Jilin-1 Gaofen-02C
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03B-01
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03B-02
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03B-03
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03B-04
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03B-05
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03B-06
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03C-01
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03C-02
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03C-03
Jilin-1 Kuanfu-01B
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D01
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D02
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D03
Jilin-1 Mofang-01A
Jilin-1 Gaofen-02D
Jilin-1 Gaofen-02F
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-10
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-11
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-12
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-13
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-14
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-15
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-16
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-17
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-18
Jilin-1 Mofang-02A-01
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-04
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-05
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-06
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-07
Jilin-1 Gaofen-04A
Jilin-1 Kuanfu-01C
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-27
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-28
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-29
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-30
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-31
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-32
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-33
Jilin-1 Mofang-01A
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-09
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-35
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-36
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-37
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-38
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-39
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-40
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-41
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-42
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-43
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A01
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A02
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A03
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A04
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A05
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A06
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-08
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-51
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-52
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-53
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-54
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-44
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-45
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-46
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-47
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-48
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-49
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-50
Jilin-1 Pingtai-01A01
Jilin-1 Gaofen-03D-34
Jilin-1 Mofang-02A03
Jilin-1 Mofang-02A04
Jilin-1 Mofang-02A07
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A07
Jilin-1 Hongwai-A08
Now that you have copied Wiki, may I see their abilities to track a Carrier at sea?
No moron, you may not look at classified information. But you can look at civilian satellites with the same technology such as ICEYE and inform yourself instead of coping through muh citations redditism.
>same technology such as ICEYE
Proof?
The point was waking your dumb ass up to a simple fact: chinks have a fuckton of Earth observation sats.
And you should already know that CVBGs are impossible to hide.
Don't remain ignorant of their progress until it is too late.
>The point was waking your dumb ass up to a simple fact: chinks have a fuckton of Earth observation sats.
How many actually work?
>And you should already know that CVBGs are impossible to hide.
Not really. May I see Chiner finding them, and tracking them in the open ocean?
>Don't remain ignorant of their progress until it is too late.
What progress, exactly? Explain in detail, and provide proof to substantiate your claims.
>They can already track individual aircraft right now
Why is a sun-synchronous orbit sat not moving while tracking? Seems fake.
>It's not hard either to find and then track ships via wakes via cheap, large constellations of SAR micro sats just in case you didn't know.
Proof? Show me it done.
It's not a single satellite, but an entire satellite system. Its demonstrated abilities including being able to track a F-22 are not in dispute, I suggest some light reading here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jilin-1
>It's not a single satellite
Proof?
All that space junk for a hypothetical missile to destroy a hypothetical carrier if it can hypothetically track the carrier and hypothetically escape already-demonstrated interceptors
That's a great way to invite China destroying all of the US's own satellites in response.
We can fling up the smaller ones faster than they can shoot them down at this point. Just have to make a call to SpaceX.
Why are the Chinese like this? I remember during the Winter Olympics they had before the Russian chimpout, they had some kind of ski-jump assembled in an industrial park or something, with steam stacks and chimneys pumping in the background. It looked fucking ugly and disgusting, and hardly the type of scenery you'd expect for the *Olympics*.
Turns out the decision was intentional, the Chinese wanted to show the world that "They have infrastructure." So the did the real world equivalent of posting an industrial plant utterly unprompted to show off to the board (the world) just how much "factory and industry they are of being having."
This chink didn't copypasta wikipedia because he thinks these satellites are tracking USN carriers (lmao). He posted them because his bug brain got offended at the notion that China doesn't have *ANY* satellites, so he posted *ALL* the satellites.
>"See, China has S A T E L L I T E S!"
They really are the socially awkward narcissist with delusions of grandeur to Russia's outright anti-social bully, also with delusions of grandeur.
>What sats, exactly?
Yaogan 1
Yaogan 2
Yaogan 3
Yaogan 4
Yaogan 5
Yaogan 6
Yaogan 7
Yaogan 8
Yaogan 9A
Yaogan 9B
Yaogan 9C
Yaogan 10
Yaogan 11
Yaogan 12
Yaogan 13
Yaogan 14
Yaogan 15
Yaogan 16A
Yaogan 16B
Yaogan 16C
Yaogan 17A
Yaogan 17B
Yaogan 17C
Yaogan 18
Yaogan 19
Yaogan 20A
Yaogan 20B
Yaogan 20C
Yaogan 21
Yaogan 22
Yaogan 23
Yaogan 24
Yaogan 25A
Yaogan 25B
Yaogan 25C
Yaogan 26
Yaogan 27
Yaogan 28
Yaogan 29
Yaogan 30
Yaogan 30-1A
Yaogan 30-1B
Yaogan 30-1C
Yaogan 30-2A
Yaogan 30-2B
Yaogan 30-2C
Yaogan 30-3A
Yaogan 30-3B
Yaogan 30-3C
Yaogan 30-4A
Yaogan 30-4B
Yaogan 30-4C
Yaogan 31A
Yaogan 31B
Yaogan 31C
Yaogan 32A
Yaogan 32B
Yaogan 33
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>What sats, exactly?
Yaogan 30-5A
Yaogan 30-5B
Yaogan 30-5C
Yaogan 30-6A
Yaogan 30-6B
Yaogan 30-6C
Yaogan 30-7A
Yaogan 30-7B
Yaogan 30-7C
Yaogan 33R
Yaogan 31D
Yaogan 31E
Yaogan 31F
Yaogan 31G
Yaogan 31H
Yaogan 31J
Yaogan 31K
Yaogan 31L
Yaogan 31M
Yaogan 34
Yaogan 30-8A
Yaogan 30-8B
Yaogan 30-8C
Yaogan 30-9A
Yaogan 30-9B
Yaogan 30-9C
Yaogan 30-10
Yaogan 30-10
Yaogan 30-10
Yaogan 32-2A
Yaogan 32-2B
Yaogan 35A
Yaogan 35B
Yaogan 35C
Yaogan 34-2
Yaogan 35 02
Yaogan 35 02
Yaogan 35 02
Yaogan 35 03
Yaogan 35 03
Yaogan 35 03
Yaogan 35 04
Yaogan 35 04
Yaogan 35 04
Yaogan 33-2
Yaogan 35 05
Yaogan 35 05
Yaogan 35 05
Yaogan 36A
Yaogan 36B
Yaogan 36C
Yaogan 36 02
Yaogan 36 02
Yaogan 36 02
Yaogan 34-3
Yaogan 36 03
Yaogan 36 03
Yaogan 36 03
Yaogan 36 04
Yaogan 36 04
Yaogan 36 04
Yaogan 37
Yaogan 34-4
>What sats, exactly?
Gaofen 1
Gaofen 2
Gaofen 8
Gaofen 9-01
Gaofen 4
Gaofen 3
Gaofen 1-02
Gaofen 1-03
Gaofen 1-04
Gaofen 5
Gaofen 6
Gaofen 11-01
Gaofen 10R
Gaofen 7
Gaofen 12
Gaofen 9-02
Gaofen 9-03
Gaofen DUOMO
Gaofen 9-04
Gaofen 9-05
Gaofen 11-02
Gaofen 13
Gaofen 14
Gaofen 12-02
Gaofen 5-02
Gaofen 11-03
Gaofen 3-02
Gaofen 3-03
Gaofen 12-03
Gaofen 5-01A
Gaofen 11-04
Gaofen 13-02
Ziyuan I-01
Ziyuan I-02
Ziyuan I-02B
Ziyuan I-02C
Ziyuan I-03
Ziyuan I-04
Ziyuan I-04B
Ziyuan I-02D
Ziyuan I-04A
Ziyuan I-02E
Ziyuan II-01
Ziyuan II-02
Ziyuan II-03
Ziyuan III-01
Ziyuan III-02
Ziyuan III-03
CBERS-1
CBERS-2
CBERS-2B
CBERS-3
CBERS-4
Double Star TC-1
Double Star TC-2
Bilibili VS
Haiyang
Shiyan
TanSat
AND SO ON
I can't be arsed to list every single one chink earth observation sat, 4 posts should be enough
>russia is china
>ukraine is america
The patriot shot down a hypersonic
yeah but not THE hypersonic. china an op's pic has nothing to do with it. not even marginally
So, now Khinzal is a real hypersonic? Good to know.
Vatnik vranyo defined the KINZHAL as a hypersonic weapon and lied about its speed (easy to verify). Deal with it.
>inb4 no, PAC-1, 2, 3 aren't suddenly a wunderwaffen hypersonic, they're still the same "useless american trash inferior to the S400 that couldn't defeat some scuds" as russians likes to say
>easy to verify
how?
Diabolical trips of retardation
molokh demands an naswer
*an answer ofc
1. the Kinzhal is modified Iskander, they can't be too different.
2. Estimating its Isp with the Tsiolkovsky equation (4200 kg total weight, 2000 kg weight without fuel). For a 4km/s ("Mach 10") Iskander it would need a solid fuel with a Isp of 500 s. There's no military rocket fuel even close to that, let alone solid fuels that in general have an Isp of 220-260 s.
>the Kinzhal is modified Iskander
no shit sherlock, any other brilliant insights?
>they can't be too different
w h a t? aside from platform, RIGHT? jesus
>For a 4km/s ("Mach 10") Iskander it would need a solid fuel with a Isp of 500 s
Kinzhal (or, rather 9-C-7760/9-C-7660) has only mach 7 and boasts isp of 350-400
>4200 kg total weight
3800
>2000 kg weight without fuel
? only know about payload 500kg
>Russian math
elaborate
>Kinzhal (or, rather 9-C-7760/9-C-7660) has only mach 7 and boasts isp of 350-400
>Isp 350-400
Why are so deeply retarded ? This isn't even funny kek.
>? only know about payload 500kg
Hey retard, the Kinzhal isn't a chunk of solid fuel glued to the warhead, you steel need a engine casing and everything else.
Stop wasting oxygen dipshit.
OPINION DISCARDED
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>Kinzhal (or, rather 9-C-7760/9-C-7660) has only mach 7 and boasts isp of 350-400
>Isp 350-400
Why are you so deeply retarded ? This isn't even funny kek.
>? only know about payload 500kg
Hey retard, the Kinzhal isn't a chunk of solid fuel glued to the warhead, you still need a engine casing and everything else (avionics, structure).
Stop wasting oxygen dipshit.
OPINION DISCARDED
>you steel need a engine casing and everything else
for real bro? any other brilliant insights like the one about iskander?
anyway, no sauce for your 2000 w/o fuel, would be glad to read up on it
>Why are so deeply retarded ?
>steel
seems more like (you) tbqh
less empty words - more numbers!
>a fucking solid fueled ballistic missile second stage with no airbreathing has the same ISP as a liquid hydrogen closed cycle engine.
i get that you're retarded but now you're delving into a specific topic i am decently knowledgeable about and it's really pissing me off.
ONE FUCKING GOOGLE SEARCH could show you that a fucking ISP anywhere near that on a solid fueled rocket motor is fucking physically impossible.
YOU'RE POSTING IN CAPS AND NOT GIVING LINKS MY MAN
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS
>It's going to happen again
on twitter? entirely possible
and then i read your post in full...
>i am decently knowledgeable
>solid fueled rocket motor
stop typing and have a nice day now, utterly embarassing
>The hypersonic missile is equipped with a hypersonic direct-air jet engine (GPVRD).
>The heavy fighter-interceptor MiG-31 has a maximum speed is 3400 km/h. This is more than enough. And, indeed, on the video demonstration, which was accompanied by the message of the president, as a carrier of the "Dagger" was a modification of the interceptor MiG-31BM.
>From a mechanical point of view, hypersonic direct-air jet engine (GPVRD) is simple. It is, very conditionally speaking, two funnels, connected in the middle by their narrow parts. Air is sucked into the front funnel, which plays the role of an oxidizer. In the center, at the point of constriction, combustion of fuel takes place. The products of combustion escape through the rear funnel, forming a jet. The "marching" engine accelerates the warhead to hypersonic speed within a few seconds. The jet will deliver the missile to the discharge zone, after which the march engine will accelerate the warhead to hypersonic speeds within a few seconds.
You're just having an autistic fit, it IS a solid propellant rocket. You didn't even quote anything, you're just using greentext hoping people take your post at face value.
>Kinzhal boasts isp of 350-400
And my ass boasts the capability to shit out raw diamonds
>my ass
no surprises there, but, I guess, you’re about to prove me wrong
>Kinzhal (or, rather 9-C-7760/9-C-7660) has only mach 7 and boasts isp of 350-400
Post the data, please.
>Estimating its Isp with the Tsiolkovsky equation (4200 kg total weight, 2000 kg weight without fuel)
Your number for wet mass is factually wrong and your estimate for dry mass is pulled out of your ass to make a completely unrealistic fraction. Do not lie to make a point, you're just as bad as r*ssians.
Ah crybaby
Source of the data: my ass.
>russian forums discussing their own miltech and some extra data + calcs to get that only 50% of the weight is solid fuel AP+Al+PBAN+excip.
The data is on the internet, stop being lazy retards that talks BS about solid fuels having an Isp of 350 - 400
>Source of the data: my ass.
Yes, thanks, that was rather obvious.
ISP for iskander is about 240, this is an Armatard thread
>ze data is on the interwebz
so you should have no problems linking it, right?
Hypersonic is 1.5km/s.
Yes it's arbitrary number kinda like Karman line but this is how it is.
Not arbitrary, it's mach 5+
Which is around 1.7km/s asl, not 1.5
At 30km altitude mach 1 is 305 m/s.
And that's why super- and hyperSONIC velocities are usually defined through speed of sound, not arbitrary velocities.
>mutt is bad at math and physics
figures, took a German to make your space dreams real
>German
They were all American mutts. I know it's a common trope among europeans to claim mutts that accomplish something as their own. I do derive some humour out of that fact.
So, are you a vatnik, then? You said that Patriot shot down a hypersonic.
he's clearly mocking vatnigs for boasting about capabilities of their wunderwaffen
but you knew that, didn't you
>boasting about capabilities of their wunderwaffen
>in a thread about patriots
>which failed to stop even a fucking cruise missile
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29918/heres-all-the-new-info-you-need-to-know-in-the-aftermath-of-the-saudi-oil-facilities-attacks
i'm sure you have pac-3 and/or bad operators cope ready to go
>arabs
yawn
>arabs
>yawn
>and/or bad operators cope ready to go
and leos preformed like shit in Syria because roaches, I get it, sure
yawn
>Your article doesn't name Patriots even once
why allow me to shed some light on that
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-aramco-security/costly-saudi-defenses-prove-no-match-for-drones-cruise-missiles-idUSKBN1W22FR
>leos preformed like shit in Syria because roaches, I get it, sure
Correct. Tanks are not mobile pillboxes or supposed to work alone like idiots believe.
>allow me to shed some light on that
So...
>The main Saudi air defense system, positioned mainly to defend major cities and installations, has long been the U.S.-made long-range Patriot system.
>It has successfully intercepted high-altitude ballistic missiles fired by the Houthis at Saudi cities, including the capital Riyadh, since a Saudi-led coalition intervened in Yemen against the group in March 2015.
>But since drones and cruise missiles fly more slowly and at lower altitudes, they are difficult for Patriots to detect with adequate time to intercept.
...Patriots worked fine except for threats designed to work against it, but that's has been fixed in the ones used in Ukraine?
I accept your concession.
>Patriots worked fine except for threats designed to work against it
do you even hear yourself?
Yeah. And he said nothing wrong, disingenuous moron.
>And he said nothing wrong
only stupid
I accept your concession
This ain't reddit. Sorry. Being witty doesn't make you right
>This ain't reddit
this is PrepHole, my man - even worse
Unironically no. Reddit is a permanent echo chamber. At least here you have the screeching of shills from the other side, of which at least one on a million can form a coherent sentence to explain their position.
Welcome back again.
(You) act incredulous, but clearly you're not aware that weapons and defenses are mutually designed to defeat each other when possible. This is normal, chang, they have an actual purpose.
your desperation is soothing to the soul
>The point defenses partially rely on fairly dated Shahine surface-to-air missile systems—although they were likely upgraded in some manner—a variant of the French Crotale, and arrays of Oerlikon GDF 35mm guns aided by Skyguard fire control radars. There is no indication that whoever launched the attacks even concerned themselves with attempting to destroy those defenses first. Clearly, they were not effective in repelling the attack.
Your article doesn't name Patriots even once, retard
The pro patriot propaganda has made me think a lot less of it now lol
It's starting to sound like when Russians boasted about how great their millitary is
the worst thing is how transparent the shilling is, like someone flipped a switch
yeah, someone flipped a switch that shoot down an hypersonic missile wunderwaffe, so you chink/russian shills come here to do damage control
>someone flipped a switch that shoot down an hypersonic missile wunderwaffe
>has troubles with even cruise missles
>s-s-sure it shot down hypersonic bro trus ukrainian sauces
LMAO
wipe your tears mong
i'd advise you change your pants from all the patriot cooming
>Americans do not continuosly improve their weapons like autists
>Patriots deployed to Ukraine wouldn't have the latest upgrades to test them in real conditions.
>Patriots used by arabs are the same as being used by ukrainians
ok, chink
>i-i-its totally fixed bro
>j-j-just trust me
cooooooool
>literal news about shooting down an hypersonic missile
>n-noooo it can't beeee, lieeess
It's going to happen again, and your shilling wouldn't stop it.
>literal news
>twitter post
This board man...
Not even Ukrainian sources
America social media conjecture lol
>has troubles with even cruise missles
Doesn't look like it does, does it?
fucking bugmen shills, i pray for another war so I can erase you soley because you type such stupid and blatant shill shit 24/7.
yes you mongoloid that's how war works, it's a game or counters, you develop radrs to get around missiles, and stealth to get around radar, and systems to detect that stealth , it's a series of checks and balances or rock paper scissors, this is basic warfare
>The pro patriot propaganda has made me think a lot less of it now lol
>It's starting to sound like when Russians boasted about how great their millitary is
>"If I just pretend the America is just like Russia, I can pretend America will magically fall flat on their very well-known, well-accounted for capabilities, hardware, and training
The delusion of the third world is wholly fascinating.
>All this cope
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/5/saudi-forces-intercept-three-ballistic-missiles-blame-houthis
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/28/saudi-arabia-intercepts-ballistic-missile-attack-over-riyadh
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/12/saudi-arabia-intercepts-ballistic-missile-over-riyadh
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/gulf/2022/03/22/Saudi-Arabia-intercepts-destroys-ballistic-missile-launched-toward-Jazan
https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2022/06/saudi-arabia-air-defense-forces-intercept-al-houthi-launched-missile-targeting-khamis-mushait-june-30
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/03/26/saudi-arabia-intercepts-missiles-abc-orig-vstop.cnn
Nope. I'm not vatnik or a retard that talk about "china/russia hypersonic" as the definitive weapon.
Now they're saying that wasn't a Patriot. But of course AFAIK the only missile on Ukraine capable of good kinetic kills are patriots (PAC-3).
What the fuck are you talking about? It's still not a chink DF-17 and never will be.
>DF-17
May I see it actually working?
>david is judea
>goliath is everyone else
Yes. Proxy wars are thus.
>don’t forget to laugh at china
Well shit, I had hope I would not have to go of the grid to catch my breath from laughing at china
>A russian hypersonic air-launched missile is the same as a chinese ballistic missile with a glide-reentry vehicle with hypersonic maneuvering capability
Are you fucking retarded or just not paying any attention? It wasn't a chink missile and most definitely the wrong kind of "hypersonic"
>and then, all of a sudden, the kinzhal wasn't a real hypersonic.
t. :^)
B-but my chink missile totally is bro! Glorious china might not be able to build anything but crappy soviet icbm copies but trust the plan that they totally built a complex hyper missile that they refuse to let anyone actually document! It’s no vaperware bro trust
Indeed. China never lies about anything. Velly strong just rike J-20 super stealth 5th gen fighter with the radar profile of a Cessna.
Buzzwords
>hypersonic maneuvering capability
May I see it?
None of those supposed hypersonic missiles currently in service are true hypersonic weapons. They all slow down close to the target.
>pic
if you're gonna show off your implessive big missiles in a 3D render, why put them in the bike lane? Showcase its intended use to block the exists of Beijing before massacring students again?
>the US just slapped one down with a fucking Patriot
must've missed the news, link?
How are there so many dilusional retards on this board. The latest intel leak showed china has more than 2000(?) DF-21 ready and has already begon production on the DF-27 to which the us can not protect itself according to its own experts.
If the war in Ukraine has taught us anything it is that the US vastly overestimates their enemy's capabilities as to over prepare
>according to its own experts.
According to its own experts across the decades, the US
>Will be nuked by Soviet bombers because of the BOMBER GAP
>Will be nuked by Soviet ICBMs because of the MISSILE GAP
>Will be outperformed on the battlefield by the BRAND NEW SOVIET "SMG," the AK-47
>Will be outperformed in the air by the vaunted, scary, new MiG-25 FOXBAT
>Will face overwhelming odds and casualties on the ground against *any* well-structured Soviet Model Army
>Will face overwhelming odds and casualties in the sky against *any* well-structured Soviet Model IADS
>Will face 20,000 casualties in the opening weeks against Iraq's military forces in 1991
>*WILL* see an Islamic terrorist detonate a dirty bomb or nuke before 2010 on US soil
And now we come to the point where lmao China is le big bad boogeyman that the US MIC will use as justification to create fucking 4th-gen pure-fusion nukes and Ace Combat flying air craft carriers.
The delusion always, ALWAYS comes from the poor dumb idiot country that's been chosen as the boogeyman. They *always* fall for the American doomerism lmao.
jesus christ calm down you fucking sperg
He's right, though. The US routinely overestimates its enemies, which turns fair fights into walkovers. Then we wind up dealing with an occupation before we are prepared for it, and fuck it up.
How else are you going to acquire funding? Kek. The US isn’t actually scared of the paper tiger, it’s just a matter of scaring the wallet into paying up.
According the U.S., the soviets built a wanderwaffe calles the mig 21. You see how that turned out. Also, don't forget that the U.S. got tricked by the Soviets into thinking they have more equipment because of their parade loops. The U.S. overestimates their foes by alot.
Pentagon put PrepHole on a target list for their subcontractor shills, they also have their national guard retards shilling for busywork.
I didn't believe for a minute that the US didn't have a way to intercept hypersonic missiles. They've just not admitted it before because they prefer russians and chinese to be overconfident in this issue.
Same reason Ukraine "doesn't have" long range HIMARs yet. They will be revealed on time to fuck up the russia depots during the future offensive.
Someone post those failed Patriot launches from Saudi Arabia.
Do they actually have hypersonics or are they just 'they get hypersonic at some point in their deployment therefore they are hypersonic'?
I ask because China and Russia have all the modesty and self-control of teenagers, there's no way they'd actually have a new technology and not immediately show it off.
I've got a riddle for you: What is it, it's not hypersonic and can't pierce through AA defense?
It's a Russian hypersonic missile designed to pierce through AA defense.
it would quite funny if we just gave regimental size of patriot systems to vietnam, taiwan, philippines for free
Big missile trucks are so fucking cool.
Need to bring Saddamcore back.
>those different rockets
Wait, you can upgrade these with scavenged parts?
TOTAL CHINK DEATH
the point of hypersonic weapons is the hypersonic glide vehicle part
every ballistic missile is hypersonic in certain stages and khinzal is just the late stage of a ballistic missile strapped to a fast jet. still
follows a ballistic trajectory, making it easy to calculate its future position and shoot down, regardless of the speed.
hypersonic glide vehicles on the otherhand don't follow a ballistic curve so you can't predict as much their future position, thus much harder to shoot down considering how fast they are.
russians are just full of shit so they extended the benefits of HGVs to their missile.
Still no one has posted proof that a patriot missile was used
What else could it have been? A flying Shilka, maybe?
Iris-T
>Already confirmed shoot down of 2 Iskanders in a row
>More of them in Ukraine
>Ukies have more training on them
Sounds plausible. I still liked the aeroshilka explanation better.
Stop asking questions and do not ever think about who would benefit from this misinformation
>>the US just slapped one down with a fucking Patriot
Source: Ghost of Kiev
>proofster vatnikposting continues
kek
So, you can't? Got it. Why does CCP propaganda rely on vague wording with zero proof?
Soon you will be China's vassal, ruskie.
>ruskie
Cope, Ling Ling. Now, answer the fucking question, you dysgenic sub-human mongrel.
many such cases
Where did this retarded notion that advanced modern anti missile systems with mach 4-5 interceptors can't deal with hypersonic missiles even came from?
Hypersonic missiles are easier to detect than cruise missiles because they can't fly in thick atmosphere. You will know they are coming and can just plot interception even if your interceptor is not as fast as them.
Sure it's harder than hitting subsonic missiles but just fire 2-3 missiles at them and it's going to work.
>Where did this retarded notion that advanced modern anti missile systems with mach 4-5 interceptors can't deal with hypersonic missiles even came from?
Primarily chinks and russoids, and secondarily the thirdies that hold those nations as their personal avatars against le ebil West. The former two because they're face cultures that rely on the impression of strength (what's stronger than being able to say you can strike at the very symbol of American dominance than the Air Craft Carrier?), and the latter because *any* crumb, kernel, or nugget of even the most retarded claim that America is weak makes their cunts wet.
Also, don't discount how much a certain mentality that afflicted wider Russian society pre-invasion also afflicts these shitskins:
>"These things will never actually be used, so it's free shitposting.
>It's not like America will ever have to prove us wrong anyway."
Most of the shills you see thirsting for war are doing the thing a lot of teenagers do, where they *act* like they're just on the cusp of kicking your ass, but they know the circumstances absolutely will not allow for either of you to come to blows right here, right now.
tl;dr, it's all just thirdies, anon.
I don't understand why going faster is supposed to matter against a computer.
Wouldn't it better to trade range and size over speed?
Higher speed = more kinetic energy = more energy budget to maneuver.
Also, it means less time to predict its trajectory and no second chance.
To be fair, maneuver and decoys are more effective than speed only, for example the Saddam's upgraded Scuds during the Gulf War, they had trajectories that were difficult to predict (bad balance) and broke up in mid-air so Patriot missiles needed to destroy the warhead instead other fragments (a software upgrade greatly improved the kill efficiency).
Going faster reduces time to intercept and theoretically grants a greater delta-v budget for maneuvering, but you're not gonna be doing that much fucking maneuvering at hypersonic speeds if you want your missile to stay intact. It's not like you can see very well through a plasma sheath either, if at all, so onboard targeting is going to be sketchy at best.
These have specialist uses and unique capabilities, but I'll believe they're wunderwaffe when I see it, and not a moment before.
Here’s the deal — they’re lying.
1. They are calling regular ballistic and semi-ballistic (glide vehicle) "hypersonic".
2. The nature of a hypersonic vehicle re-entering heavy atmosphere is to generate a plasma sheathing around the vehicle, making it blind and deaf so terminal guidance is basically impossible.
3. The American hypersonic programs are developing actual, no-lying hypersonic weapons. These remain in heavy atmosphere for their entire flight, and in conjunction with advanced engineering serves to stop the plasma sheath from forming. Each one of these programs will be able to achieve true hypersonic guided weapons.
4. The only other entity to lie about Chinese and Russian hypersonics are the people who produce Congressional security reports who repeat the lies in order to secure funding. The ballistic missiles called hypersonic for propaganda purposes, ironically, led to the funding of multiple TRUE hypersonic weapons as a result.
Ignorant Retard
literally dumbest comeback out there Chang,
(also native english speakers wouldn't use that term) -20000 calories in rations this week
>missiles flying in thin atmosphere have plasma sheath issues, but flying in thick atmosphere remove the plasma sheath issues.
No you are just retarded.
There is never going to be WWIII. Ukie-Russia proved it.