>build a huge ass cannon
>It's too heavy to transport and operate so it's just been sitting in Moscow without ever being used
>but at least it's worlds biggest cannon bro
Why are Russians like this?
>build a huge ass cannon
>build a huge ass cannon
>It's too heavy to transport and operate so it's just been sitting in Moscow without ever being used
>but at least it's worlds biggest cannon bro
Why are Russians like this?
yeah
yeah doesn't mean "first!"
yeah
Siege weapons were huge to be effective, generally speaking.
You forgot
>it's incapable of actually firing, it's just for show
>tsar cannon that cannot fire
>tsar bell that doesn't ring
>tsar tank that can't survive a hit or cross a trench
>tsar bomb that doesn't fit into any bomber
it's always been a potemkin country
>>tsar bomb that doesn't fit into any bomber
It did fit into a bomber though they just had to but the bottom of the bomber off and eliminate much of the bomber's range. And Tsar Bomba would have fit just fine into a big civilian aircraft on a suicide run too!
they had to modify a single Tu-95 specifically to carry it and expected a double digit % chance that it'll die in the blast since they never developed laydown bombing
>Tsar Bomba was never a practical weapon; it was a single product, the design of which allowed reaching a power of 100 Mt TE. The test of a 50-Mt bomb was, among other things, a test of the performance of the product design for 100 Mt. The bomb was intended exclusively to exert psychological pressure on the United States.
How little the Soviets knew about what that wacky Teller fellow was up to.
>lol yeah let's build a 10000 megaton bomb!
>no need to launch it we can just use it to set off yellowstone and the whole world will be fucked anyway! perfect deterrence!
Cold war was a hell of a time.
>How little the Soviets knew
It's actually pretty fucking awesome/wild:
>https://thebulletin.org/2021/11/the-untold-story-of-the-worlds-biggest-nuclear-bomb/
>Only a few months later, in July 1954, Teller made it clear he thought 15 megatons was child’s play. At a secret meeting of the General Advisory Committee of the Atomic Energy Commission, Teller broached, as he put it, “the possibility of much bigger bangs.” At his Livermore laboratory, he reported, they were working on two new weapon designs, dubbed Gnomon and Sundial. Gnomon would be 1,000 megatons and would be used like a “primary” to set off Sundial, which would be 10,000 megatons. Most of Teller’s testimony remains classified to this day, but other scientists at the meeting recorded, after Teller had left, that they were “shocked” by his proposal. “It would contaminate the Earth,” one suggested. Physicist I. I. Rabi, by then an experienced Teller skeptic, suggested it was probably just an “advertising stunt.”
>But he was wrong; Livermore would for several years continue working on Gnomon, at least, and had even planned to test a prototype for the device in Operation Redwing in 1956 (but the test never took place).
That man was true to himself!
>You want to build a GIGATON bomb Teller!?
>No no sir it's all a misunderstanding! That's the TRIGGER for the actual bomb.
Haha!
They did the biopic on the wrong guy I tell you!
Well yeah, but
1. Normie audience would never like Teller's unapologetic "FUCK YEAH NUCLEAR WEAPONS"
2. A lot of the coolest shit is STILL classified, maybe always will be (or at least for like another 100 years or something until humanity is cruising around the solar system with nuclear drives).
Whew. Fucking. Lad.
IRL Dr. Strangelove character.
it could deal with the French... we must pursue this.
We were robbed
>10,000 megatons
Like the serbs were "working" on a viable space program. Words are cheap. Retards - even cheaper. Was anything of the sorts ever build? Ever tested? No.
Hell, I can work on it too: we put several tons of tritium for the termonuclear boom. We use a big nuke for a detonator. Voila! 234534535 megatons!
Dude, Teller was the dude who actually invented the thermonuclear bomb. It's a bit disingenous to compare that to some fucking monkeys playing in their backyard, don't you think?
Exactly two cases were made for the Tsar Bomba, one for use and the other for display.
>tsar cannon that cannot fire
>tsar bell that doesn't ring
that was a voltaire quote? was he calling catherine great ironically
>tsar bomb that isn't even real
ftfy
I've seen it in person, it's a cool sculpture. In a way it really reflects the Russian existence. They want to be perceived as strong and hard but are actually only good at fine arts. Russia has produced some of the greatest writers, composers and painters. Yet they insist on doing war and imperialism which they have literally always sucked at
the fine arts aren't even that good, most of them were created by foreigners prior to the 19th century
They peaked in the 19th century though.
Romanov Russia was just Monarcho-Bolshevism.
IDK, Inspector Porfiry Petrovich from "Crime and Punishment" was the inspiration for "Columbo."
And? Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
John Stagliano’s “Buttman in Budapest” was the inspiration for “The Blair Witch Project”. What’s your point?
>Russia has produced some of the greatest writers
Terrible purple prose to no purpose. Russian literature is awful. The only reason people think it's good is because of the French. The French were viewed for a long time as the arbiters of culture, and when the emigres came over in the 20s some French fell in love with the mystique and romance of this exiled nobility, and became ardent russiaboos.
The famous Russian works of literature are all just barely literate screeds in a barbaric language containing drunken slavic whining and inferiority complexes.
Warhammer meme country. The lore is always better than the actual game.
>The lore is always better than the actual game.
Used to be so, now GW is actively shitting on it to make it more approachable and kid friendly and all that shit
Big enough to load a pig and launch it 2 km away.
Is pigger ok?
xaxaxaxa now everyone understands everything
The Tsar Bomb was no different. Sure, it was the "biggest" nuke but it had zero practical delivery method.
The Proton rocket...
Still bad as weapon.
>The Proton rocket...
Not even close, tsar bomba was many tons too heavy and would never fit in the payload fairing
>many tons too heavy
To reach LEO. As ICBM it's more than enough to get a +15000 km of range with the tsar bomb and some heat shield.
> never fit
Anon, bombs are dense, small. The proton rocket is huge. It was the soviet "space truck" to launch their space stations.
nta but what are you talking about?
>Anon, bombs are dense, small
The Tsar Bomba massed 60000 lbs anon, was 26ft long and 7ft in diameter. To survive an rocket ride it'd have to be reinforced to handle more gs and deal with very high temperatures.
>As ICBM it's more than enough to get a +15000 km of range with the tsar bomb and some heat shield.
No. ICBM needs about the same delta-v as orbital velocity. If you're willing to settle for only being able to hit the West Coast, so maybe 6000km, it's a little better, but still needs like 7km/s including atmospheric losses. Tsar Bomba was too fucking big for Proton, and not by a little by a lot.
Also dunno if any anons will see this but really cool site for all sorts of rocket stats and facts on every single rocket ever, civilian or military:
http://www.astronautix.com/
Old fashioned simple web 1.0 goodness. Tons of cool rocket/missile related stories and history.
adding on to this, for sci fi related rocketry go to projectrho.com
Nope.
The R-36 rocket (Dnepr as commercial launcher) had a ICBM payload of near 9 tons with a range of +10,000 km. As orbital launcher it was limited to half that weight (4.5 tons for LEO).
So going from 22 tons to ~30 tons isn't impossible.
>g forces
A Proton isn't a gun or a solid rocket....
guess it comes down to how much extra tsar bomba would need and what the desired range would be
>A Proton isn't a gun or a solid rocket....
it's not a subsonic bomber either anon. gravity bomb warheads were never drop-in for rockets. liquid rockets on such a shot would still be 3-5gs (apollo 5 was 4gs on its moon shots) peak, which sure isn't hundreds but probably would require some reinforcement. reentry vehicle needs some guidance capability too along with heat shielding, even a 100mt bomb still needs a CEP of at least 10-20 miles can't just completely wing it. I'll concede maybe it would have been possible though.
You fucking moron.
A rocket can't just lift infinite weight. It won't have enough TWR to get off the ground. Its max liftoff weight is with the LEO payload.
The proton's normal fairing is 4m long, extra-tall special fairing is 6m long, tsar bomba is 8m.
N1 rocket can deliver the tsar bomb
N1 couldn't deliver itself off the ground
Well they only had 5 launches im sure if they had more launches before they pulled the funding it would have worked.
with korolev dead and the german scientists that worked under him out there's little chance they could do it. minus reproducing the stolen Shuttle plans their only achievement was making more soyuz rockets.
their staged combustion kerelox engines are legitimately good designs
shame they never got put on a good rocket
N1 rocket was literally built for the purpose of delivering the tsar bomb but sadly the rocket never worked and they didnt have the funding to fix it. Also if they had the money they can very well deliver the tsar bomb with a saturn sized icbm just not very practical because well ur icbm is literally a fucking saturn v
>N1 rocket was literally built for the purpose of delivering the tsar bomb
No, it literally was not. The most that ever happened was that they said a super heavy lift rocket could deliver such a weapon - after it was clear that the project was on the chopping block.
The ICBM pitch was just an attempt by Korolev to get the military to fund his moon rocket.
Fuck you, it's fucking cool.
I don't give a fuck about how shit Russians are in reality giant fucking cannons will always be awesome no matter which assholes and slackjaws put them together.
Again you suck and have no taste fuck you.
Depressing trips of retardation, if you enjoy fictional shit so much you can go find much cooler stuff than that in scifi. Large guns are cool but to be /k/ they have to ACTUALLY BE WEAPONS and you know, shoot, which is where the actual challenge is. OP is literally just a sculpture, not a weapon at all. It's a neat sculpture but Statute of Liberty is way more impressive as an example of metal working and same with a bunch of others.
Trips of REALITY speak truth to weakness you uncultured swine!
It shows evidence of being fired once.
Once is good enough for me.
Fuck you giant cannons reeeeeeeee
>day 900 of smo
>drone footage emerges of tzar cannon welded to an MLTB roof being fired during the battle of Crimea
Little cocks.
muskets
wallguns
swivel guns
grasshopper horse guns
field guns
siege guns
the 18th century was just nothing more than a series of progressively bigger guns.
it has handles on the side to be carried.
Obr. 2024 soon after they put it on a flatbed.
They used it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Cannon
Mainly for show, but they put it up for defenses a few times
ottoman fucking cast their huge ass siege cannon on the spot
Looks awfully close to Orban's Cannon for the siege of Constantinople.
Orban managed to build this giant cannon within three months at Adrianople. Due to its size, it was dragged by 60 oxen and 400 men to Constantinople.[6] The cannonball, which could be shot at a distance of one mile (1.6 km), weighed 1,200 pounds (540 kg).[4] It was horribly powerful, and when it hit, it caused massive damage to Constantinople's walls. The cannon also killed some of its operators.[1] Additionally, due to the material the cannon was constructed of, and the intense heat created by the charge after each shot, the barrel had to be soaked in warm oil to prevent cold air from penetrating and enlarging the fissures.[3] The heat also prevented the cannon from being fired more than three times per day. Ultimately, it lasted all of six weeks before becoming non-functional.
When I visited Moscow in 2014, I got to see this thing in real life. It's pretty fucking big. Definitely cool but kinda bizarre and you can tell there is no way it was ever be practical. There was a bride and groom taking pictures in front of it. Almost doesn't surprise me with how much militarism is present in the RUS culture. Not me in pic, some rando Russian lady.
>Almost doesn't surprise me with how much militarism is present in the RUS culture.
To be fair even the US bombers can theoretically function under purely peaceful duties like cargo and aid delivery.
I understand your point. Burgers def love guns and the ole red, white and blue. I was thinking more about encouraging children to learn to operate hand grenades and load magazines. Def something kids in the US do also, but I think that it's more driven by parental values and a culture of guns rather than state values preparing children for the next "Great War". It was still really cool to see the cannon. Can't remember if it's in Moscow or St. Petersburg, but they have a museum entirely dedicated to torture.
Most annoying for /k/ommando thing. Kremlin has splendid collection of other historical guns
https://dzen.ru/a/ZKU6cIYwhkvh3xqs
That includes such exquisite artifacts as Troil siege super cannon (pic related, 7000kg ), made by same Legendary Artillery Artificer Andrey Chohov who created Tzar Cannon https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tpoил_(пyшкa)
(Troil means "The King of the Troy")
That cannon was actually used in multiply wars during 1590-1658 and breached many walls for the glory of Moscow.
But they are located mostly in parts of Kremlin closed fro the visitors and they have no historical information plaques near them. Just rows and rows of the cannon sitting in the open street under rain. When half of them has lengthy history of wars, wins, losses, trophies behind them...
Seen the German one? https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/german-heavy-gustav-was-largest-gun-ever-built-190368
>even bigger
>can move on trains