B&T APC9

What does /k/ think of the new US Army sub-machinegun? How does it stack up?

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  1. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Great, but expensive for blowback 9mm pcc. $2500 is steep considering what you’re getting.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was talking about the Military Submachine gun, they obviously aren't paying $2500 per gun. So price isn't a factor here. Even if that's what they payed, I'm asking about the performance

      I'll just buy a pistol carbine kit instead.

      Is that going to be as durable? These guys are meant to be shot a lot.

  2. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll just buy a pistol carbine kit instead.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not american and conversion kits are hell of expensive in my country, but still far less expensive than any PCC ; would it be possible to build a poorman PCC with a Glock (I own a 45), the lightest conversion kit available (recover tactical ?), and probably a switch (that illegal thing all festive gangsta youth in US videos seem to own) ?

  3. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    why is the magwell so burger huge

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gotta have that duplo-scale fore grip.

  4. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What do you think about X PCC
    I don't.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >typical Feminine attention seeking post

  5. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    >HK wants to stop making MP5, need better profit margins
    >develop UMP as cheap replacement to sell to militaries
    >everyone laughs and demands more MP5's
    >B&T get the contract for cheaper blowback SMG
    how are HK so bad at this

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Timing. Same reason the g11 wasn't adopted in any significant capacity. God hates hk

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        And HK mostly deserves it

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is the UMP is a fricking huge gun for just being a PCC. Shit needed to be like half the size in order to worth using over a MP5.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because that gun legitimately fricking sucks ass. And the MP5 is based.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Develops gun with even larger footprint AND worse recoil
      >confused by lack of sales
      Never change Hk

  6. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    FRICKING GTA LOOKING GUN

  7. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Makes the Montgo-9 upper seem very reasonably priced

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda tempted all of a sudden to get one of those for $440

      https://www.deltateamtactical.com/Matador-Arms-Montgo-9-Complete-9mm-Upper_p_36080.html

  8. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    did they buy them with silencers?

  9. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    How long is it's barrel? 4"?

  10. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do they need a submachine gun? Is ther enough of a gap between a handgun and M4A1 to necessitate it for pilots/crewmembers?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Outdated doctrine.

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Outdated doctrine.

      Not that I expect anyone to believe me but having experience with these first hand here's what I've been told and personally experienced

      >much smaller than any M4, makes them real good for carrying under a coat, inside a backpack, under ihram clothing (like under over GBs did in Iraq) it's even smaller than an MP5
      >Easy to source 9mm anywhere in the world
      >More reliable and simpler design than an M4
      >It's small weight makes it valuable for troops who are incredibly unlikely to see combat or in confined spaces (like a tank) while still giving them a controllable full auto weapon system that can still hit men out to 300 yards

      Honestly it still has its niche. The reality is that it's easier to give someone one of these than to train a soldier to shoot at a Grandmaster Level with their M17. You'd think by now /k/ being a weapons board would understand the meaning of "right tool for the right job". The only thing I didn't like about it was the recoil impulse since it's blowback (albeit a well done blowback that still feels really good due to the built in buffer), but i understand they were going for reliability, durability and ease of maintenance over some laser beam of a gun like the finnicky MPX or JP5

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's only for specific close protection teams, the initial order was 350 with options for 1000 and there hasn't been any new orders since 2019.

      Great, but expensive for blowback 9mm pcc. $2500 is steep considering what you’re getting.

      I was talking about the Military Submachine gun, they obviously aren't paying $2500 per gun. So price isn't a factor here. Even if that's what they payed, I'm asking about the performance

      [...]
      Is that going to be as durable? These guys are meant to be shot a lot.

      The full contract price is 2.575 mil, and that's excising that full 1000 gun option, which works out to ~2575 a unit. However, the contract is plus spares and equipment. It's still pretty close to MSRP.

      https://sam.gov/opp/e001bfaf6f293d0401029cd8052312ec/view

  11. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Handguard too short, I foresee many hands being shot during range qualification.

  12. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    How is that better than a much smaller, lighter, cheaper glock?

  13. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    These are twice as expensive as they should be and it's because morons keep paying MP5 money for a shitty blowback

  14. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Waiting for the rest to show up

  15. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking stupid decision from an acquisitions standpoint. Too expensive, and huge step backwards in capability. There is a reason why we got rid of SMGs decades ago.

  16. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Decent. The US military is sucking a lot of Swiss balls lately in contract awarding.

  17. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's shit. Didn't even go with the superior B&T option

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      Why do frick youwant anything but mag in the grip for SMG?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't this just a full auto pistol with a foregrip, stock, and sight?
      I that all an "SMG" is?
      The more I learn about guns the more confused I become.

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s bigger than a machine pistol and was designed to be an smg from the get go with the stock.
        Most of the machine pistols were designed as regular pistols first before getting a full auto option and afterthought of a stock option and foregrip.

  18. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    why would you ever put the magazine in front of the grip instead of inside or behind it?

    • 12 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because they don't want to retrain the morons that will be using (standing and holding) it. It has nearly identical ergos an AR minus the charging handle

      • 12 months ago
        Anonymous

        I never got this shit, do people really totally forget how to operate a firearm when they pick up something somewhat different? And that issue will be nonexistent for the next training wave that learns on it from the start.

        I think this is probably an issue with soldier touch points. PM's gotta realize when prioritizing soldier familiarity is holding back a more efficient or effective system.

        In any case this is for secret service-tier professionals that can handle different ergonomics. SOF already runs MP7s.

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. How fricking moronic you have to be to not be able to use something that essentially has pistol ergos?

        • 12 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. How fricking moronic you have to be to not be able to use something that essentially has pistol ergos?

          This.
          Why do frick youwant anything but mag in the grip for SMG?

          As someone who owns both, the APC9 is built in a much more bomb proof way. You can't even compare them. The APC9 is much more practical for the military.

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            >much more practical for the military
            Tell that to tards running around with MP7s

          • 12 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's military runs M4 carbine that brakes during 1.5 m drop test. They clearly don't need don't want bomb proof. Especially for special snowflake office warrior jobs.

            • 12 months ago
              Anonymous

              Holy ESL

  19. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's simple reliable and good.

  20. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did they just copy an fgc 9?

  21. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is it 7.62 tokarev?
    No?
    It's SHIT

  22. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    this thread is full of denning krugman affect morons

  23. 12 months ago
    Anonymous

    Price notwithstanding, its over engineered for a blowback sub gun. Blowback guns don't shoot nearly as well as any locking action and for the effort they put in they could and should have made it so. I would choose a CMMG Banshee or Sig MPX over this.

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