>British rolls royce engines and stealth coating. >Italian leather interior and aerodynamic aesthetic exterior

>British rolls royce engines and stealth coating
>Italian leather interior and aerodynamic aesthetic exterior
>Japanese sony playstation 5 electronics and displays
Will this be THE most cozy fighter to pilot?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus christ the european defense procurement process is a nightmarish mish mash of multiple different combinations of countries each producing a different thing, and splitting the manufacture of said thing between themselves

    How could they ever hope to fight an actual hot war with this shit?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >American engine
      >German main gun
      >British-style armor
      >Belgian machine guns
      How could they ever hope to fight an actual hot war with this shit?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >acting like the US couldnt easily manufacture all of those things

        >”british style armor”

        Lel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But it didn't design any of them. Womp Womp.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh yes, im sure the country that designed the b2 would find a tank barrel completely beyond them

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But they didn't.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >But we COULD have guys!!!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The M256 is an almost complete redesign of the L44
            The Chobham armor package in the Abrams is not anything like the Challengers armor package
            The M240 could be ripped off every Abrams and its combat effectiveness would not change even a little

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I have seen these points posted twice now and I would like to see evidence of L44 and Chobham modifications done for Abrams.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus christ the european defense procurement process is a nightmarish mish mash of multiple different combinations of countries each producing a different thing, and splitting the manufacture of said thing between themselves
      Not always
      >How could they ever hope to fight an actual hot war with this shit?
      Yeah, how?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How could they ever hope to fight an actual hot war with this shit?
      Europe has the big advantage of not having any real enemies anywhere nearby.
      If they so choose, Europe will never be fighting a war more intense than pacifying Serbia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How could they ever hope to fight an actual hot war with this shit?
      Well, they did better with Airbus than Boeing. Just a matter of time.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Airbus is mainly French and only shitty part of it is Airbus Defense and Space, which is German. Airbus can be easily dissolved into its constituent parts, same as MBDA.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Source?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the european defense procurement process is a nightmarish mish mash of multiple different combinations of countries each producing a different thing
      Little buddy..
      pal..
      moron..

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's honestly no use trying to explain to nu-/k/ the complexity of modern military procurement
        the average moron here would shit and piss their pants screaming and crying if you dumped proof on them that nearly all western MICs are interdependent and that this matters more than some article 5 gobbledyasiatic when it comes to mutual defence

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >nightmarish mish mash of multiple different combinations of countries each producing a different thing, and splitting the manufacture of said thing between themselves
      One word: Concorde

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Keep my waifu's name out of your frickin mouth!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's about keeping their high end defense tech and companies operational over and above whether or not it is in the end practical-- the stuff developed is marketable to partners (mostly the US) which can be glommed onto something else down the line even if it comes to nothing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      F-35 parts are made in USA, UK, Italy, Netherlands, Australia, Canada, Denmark and Norway.
      Modern fighters are expensive and takes the funding of more than one nation, nations that pay for development want jobs in exchange.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sony playstation 5 electronics and displays
    So just Chinese made cheapos?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine how good the buffet is at the meetings.

    >antipasto
    >sushi
    >British picnic foods and cakes

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >English breakfast buffet with eggs, bacon, sausages, beans, toast, coffee, orange juice etc.
      >Japanese lunch buffet with ramen, sushi, tori karage etc.
      >Italian dinner buffet with pasta, pizza, paninos, salame, cheese, wine etc.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Beans ain't breakfast food Nigel. Get you some hashbrowns or country potatoes for your side dish.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        PrepHole art is so pathetic
        >wow guys THIS pyramid scheme is gonna pay off this time I can feel it, bros we're gonna make it, apes together strong fellow degenerates!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/GVSdUQd.png

      >English breakfast buffet with eggs, bacon, sausages, beans, toast, coffee, orange juice etc.
      >Japanese lunch buffet with ramen, sushi, tori karage etc.
      >Italian dinner buffet with pasta, pizza, paninos, salame, cheese, wine etc.

      The next day

      >Italian breakfast, fruits, cured meat, coffee and breads
      >British afternoon tea with finger sandwiches, scones, cream, Jam and cakes
      >Japanese dinner of sushi, ramen and yakisoba

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        breakfast, fruits, cured meat, coffee and breads
        More like a coffee and cigarette

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Real Italian breakfast:

          Cappuccino in tall ceramic cup, a cigarette or 2 and a pastry or panino.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/GVSdUQd.png

      >English breakfast buffet with eggs, bacon, sausages, beans, toast, coffee, orange juice etc.
      >Japanese lunch buffet with ramen, sushi, tori karage etc.
      >Italian dinner buffet with pasta, pizza, paninos, salame, cheese, wine etc.

      [...]
      The next day

      >Italian breakfast, fruits, cured meat, coffee and breads
      >British afternoon tea with finger sandwiches, scones, cream, Jam and cakes
      >Japanese dinner of sushi, ramen and yakisoba

      Man you guys making me HONGRY

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/GVSdUQd.png

      >English breakfast buffet with eggs, bacon, sausages, beans, toast, coffee, orange juice etc.
      >Japanese lunch buffet with ramen, sushi, tori karage etc.
      >Italian dinner buffet with pasta, pizza, paninos, salame, cheese, wine etc.

      [...]
      The next day

      >Italian breakfast, fruits, cured meat, coffee and breads
      >British afternoon tea with finger sandwiches, scones, cream, Jam and cakes
      >Japanese dinner of sushi, ramen and yakisoba

      STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP

      breakfast, fruits, cured meat, coffee and breads
      More like a coffee and cigarette

      this guy has a point tho

      Beans ain't breakfast food Nigel. Get you some hashbrowns or country potatoes for your side dish.

      >Beans ain't breakfast food
      your cowboy ancestors look down on you from the stars in disgust
      >hashbrowns or country potatoes for your side dish
      potato cakes oop norf, bubble and squeak down south
      although some places particularly in London do hash browns, they aren't strictly traditional

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >bubble and squeak down south
        >hash browns being particularly a london thing
        bubble and squeak is a somewhat rare dinner thing you only have if you have some specific leftovers. Hash browns are THE defualt breakfast potato thing by like an absolute mile, I'd be fricking baffled if I got some bubble and squeak for breakfast anywhere, as for potato cakes sure it's a scottish thing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >British food
      Yuck

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where's FCAS again? Oh in shambles? Splendid.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Japanese sony playstation 5 electronics
    Too bad it has nogames

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Heck of an ssd though. Or so I've heard.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >heck
        kys

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Touch grass anon, people have been saying heck unironically since long before you were conceived in that gangbang on Martin Luther King blvd.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its always about dicks with you people

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmfao GOT IM

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sony playstation 5 electronics and displays
    So overpriced Chinese-made shit with no games? Got it.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CONFIRMED start up sound in the wienerpit when engines are turned on: https://youtu.be/BOPViekdacQ?feature=shared

    CONFIRMED Music playing in wienerpit while engines are idle: https://youtu.be/sUOzplfB9ps?feature=shared

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will this thing actually be so much better than the F35 it'll be worth the cost?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Two engines
      >No meme vertical take off and landing
      >Pilots and maintenance crew all get free PlayStation+ users
      Already better

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Much bigger with longer legs and heavier payload. Superior sensors (quality and coverage) optionally manned, far more electricity to play with.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fricking delusional.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not at all, the F-35 is designed to be a relatively cheap low end single engine 5th gen fighter.

          Whereas the GCAP fighter is expected to be a large twin engined maritime interceptor. Remember it's being designed by Japan, the UK, and Italy. Two of which are islands, and the 3rd is a peninsula capped by nearly impassable mountains to the north. Japan especially wants a vastly extended range over the F-35 and with twin engines that are similar power output to the single F-35 engine, with a much larger wing, it should have no problems hitting that metric. Similarly those engines will provide a much greater amount of reserve power for sensors and computing (sensor fusion). Its larger size is also expected to offer a large internal weapons bay for long range munitions.

          Not to mention current cost estimates put it above $200m per airframe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >$200m per airframe.
            Europoors can afford that?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The idea being you only need a few dozen at most and they'll be partnered with drones and F-35s.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's not meant to replace the F-35

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a new capability, not a replacement. It will serve along F-35s on different missions

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty impressive. The three nations that have fallen off the hardest are teaming up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine if it was Germany, Italy and Japan teaming up.
      I wonder if that was the original plan seeing as Germany was part of the euro fighter but that would be too much of a meme so they invited bongs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Germany
        >implying it's got any technology left
        Lol you're lucky not to get kicked out of FCAS.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I wonder if that was the original plan seeing as Germany was part of the euro fighter but that would be too much of a meme so they invited bongs.
        No, it was started by the Brits and Italy who know that working with the Germans is shit from their experience of Eurofighter Typhoon. They can work together well because Leonardo has a big presence in Britain's defence industry and they work happily together making helicopters and radars.
        Bongs brought the Japanese on board because they'd signed some defence pact and wanted to produce some anti-air missiles and artillery autoloaders with them, but that hasn't come to anything because the missile is more expensive than Japan wants and the war in Ukraine has resulted in Britain looking to replace their SPH perhaps a decade earlier than they thought.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn’t be of much help without either the UK or US providing the engines. MTU is currently upgrading the EJ200 but has no real knowledge of their own on how to make one from scratch. Guess we will see how Germany fares as a leader with the EF tranche 4 onwards with Spain and Italy joining Quadriga/Halcon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then it would've failed again, because as usual Germany would do its China and want to steal the technologies. Especially those juicy RR engines.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          RR doesn't have 2100K composites AFAIK, something that GE, P&W and Safran do have.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Might want to check German econmic data. The UK and Japan and leaving them in the dust.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron clearly hasn't been outside in a decade or so

        Japan has almost as many people as Germany and England combined, yet Germany has an economy $500+ billion larger with the gap widening, in fact the UK with barely half the Japan population is going to surpass Japan in 2030 or 2031

        Of the developed nations with an economy $1 trillion or above Japan has the lowest per capita nominal gdp, they are barely first world at this point and the kicker is going to be when CCP China passes Japan on nominal per capita in the late 2030s/early 2040s

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's so much more to economic data than GDP. Look at Japan and UK FDI, equities, inflation, even GDP growth if you need to. The UK climbed to the world's 4th largest exporter last year, jumping three places, FTSE up 12% in 6 months. Over the next 6 years the UK will grow at 8.8%, about twice as fast as Germany.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This proves you are an economic brainlet

            Equities are not owned by countries, they are owned by institutional and individual investors, most are from the US, so when you see the Nikkei go up the typical nip feels nothing whereas the rich bankers in the US continue to enrich themselves, other large sources of institutional investors is China, Gulf nations and certain western Euro nations

            The UK is largely a theatre, not a nation in this regard to, this is why the typical Brit is perpetually in the middle class compared to the endless hordes of brown mega-rich buying up everything

            The only parts of an economy where it can directly translate into national power are those companies and entities that are directly involved in a military-industrial complex, hence why japan is fricked and is turning more into a playground for westerners and non-westerners every year

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Equities are not owned by countries

              Where was this claimed? They are an indicator of how the market views that countries future performance.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lmfao, keep telling yourself brainlet

                Equities investing is a zero sum game where the few that know what their doing get rich off of dumbasses like you, in the case of japan the reason why the equities continue to climb is due to the shit yen that is not expected to recover again forcing japan to further open up to foreign vultures since the government has absolutely no way out of this - native population decreasing almost 1 million per year, among the lowest reproduction rates, population that is generally difficult to get to adopt new technologies/methodologies, gdp continues to stagnate or decline, native population that has worse english skills than a rando ss african nation...the list goes on...the countries that have the leverage are literally circling like vultures looking at a pig that had its guts torn out by a pack of wolves and will inevitably die...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're getting upset and projecting. I deal with investments every day, you just prove the dunning kruger effect online each day.

                Speaking of English skills, how many punctuation marks did you have in that sentence/paragraph?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Online trading on a few hundred dollars of penny stock doesn't count, I was an ex-pat banker in tokyo for a few years doing hostile takeovers for US / euro companies, did the Renault takeover of Nissan too even though I was only in my late 20s, I love japan but I love it like I love thailand or the philippines, no different

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would someone just lie on the Internet? Why can't you write with correct grammer to at least pretend your fan fiction is real?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a coincidence you monkey, I'm British too and Egyptians have more wealth than Japanese, see how I did that too moron you fricking brown manlet monkey?

                cool story kim

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is like the other week where you said you "just laid off 2000 people"? Or the time before that where you claimed you "just closed a 7 figure deal" or the time before that where you said you went to Sweden for 2 weeks and fricked 30 women or the time before that where you made up a wiener and bull story about a "nationalist bar" in Tokyo?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >since the government has absolutely no way out of this

                The Japanese people have cash savings worth more than twice Japan's GDP.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The coins in their video games don't count as cash in real life moron, the most meaningful metric of wealth is mean wealth per adult multiplied by the population, japan is near thirdie tier

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it's not, it's median - so it represents normal people - unlike mean. I'm assuming you know the difference?

                That puts Japanese people like 10 places above Germans. Nice self own.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You clearly are a moron that has no clue and bragging about $100k net worth is comical when its when countries like Australia, New Zealand, Belgium are $300k+ with a mean 3x Japan

                So let me break this down for you in simple terms that maybe you can understand:

                Mean: everything averages out to $300k, minimum for low end of firsties, population 100 million, total national net worth can be calculated simply by multiplying $300k by 100 million

                Median: A few billionaires, 50% net worth of zero, 10% net worth above $1 million, 39% net worth of $10k, 1% the middle guy, hence median, at $100k...unless you know the other variables its impossible to calculate the net worth and either way it has to equal precisely the the mean figures you fricking 60 iq brown manlet

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wow, you unironically don't know the difference between mean, mode and median. Japanese people are wealthier than Germans, and that wealth is distributed more evenly.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What he means is that Germany still has more total wealth to mobilise, I think he might be forgetting that ultra rich people do not typically contribute strongly to their home country due to being more global in their lifestyle and spending, but he is right that mean is in some senses more useful.

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                Stop seething asiaticshill, no amount of shilling can save your wannabe-stealth larper from being 4th gen. Only superpowers and G7 can build 6th gens, it's not a front an irrelevant excolony like SK should be worried about in the first place.
                Also the recent super weak yen makes all Japanese economic figures look 20-30% smaller than usual, it's deceptive as frick.

                And yeah, as a CCP shill he should be aware of why export economies maintain weak currencies despite economic strength.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What he means is that Germany still has more total wealth to mobilise

                He would be wrong there too. Japan has more cash savings than any other industrialised major economy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only a moronic nip or weeb would think a jap lives anywhere near german standards, if japan were in Europe they would be portugal or belarus

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not to be rude, but if you think Spain has a worse quality of life than the UK, you obviously haven't visited either of these countries, Wikipedia stats can only go so far.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The gap between typical Germans and typical japanese is no different than the gap between a typical japanese and a typical malaysia you fricking manlet monkey

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm British, and Japanese people have more wealth than Germans.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a coincidence you monkey, I'm British too and Egyptians have more wealth than Japanese, see how I did that too moron you fricking brown manlet monkey?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look up median wealth per adult, or financial assets per household and call me when you've dried your eyes.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s over, how tf do thirdies get so rich now?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the most meaningful metric of wealth is mean wealth per adult multiplied by the population, japan is near thirdie tier

                I beg you, please do that sum for yourself and post your workings.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This UBS report was from two years ago, based on the current exchange rate japan mean net worth is about $140k and median around $55k, if currency futures being traded on wall street is used, this will fall to under $100k mean and around $30k median, squarely third world tier

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              as a quant I can't help feeling a bit triggered here

              >so when you see the Nikkei go up the typical nip feels nothing
              because their feelings are dissociated from their country's financial performance, not because they're not impacted
              > and certain western Euro nations
              including UK
              > the typical Brit is perpetually in the middle class compared to the endless hordes of brown mega-rich
              the UK still has large numbers of wealthy British, they keep a low profile
              >endless hordes of brown mega-rich
              the brown hordes are poor
              the ones doing the buying are rich, but they're not citizens
              Abramovich, for example, is not British
              >The only parts of an economy where it can directly translate into national power are those companies and entities that are directly involved in a military-industrial complex
              the MIC everywhere EVEN IN THE US is a barely-significant fraction of the civilian economy, frickwit

              >Equities are not owned by countries

              Where was this claimed? They are an indicator of how the market views that countries future performance.

              >They are an indicator of how the market views that countries future performance
              Generally speaking, yes, and it holds true despite conspiracy theories
              such as

              Lmfao, keep telling yourself brainlet

              Equities investing is a zero sum game where the few that know what their doing get rich off of dumbasses like you, in the case of japan the reason why the equities continue to climb is due to the shit yen that is not expected to recover again forcing japan to further open up to foreign vultures since the government has absolutely no way out of this - native population decreasing almost 1 million per year, among the lowest reproduction rates, population that is generally difficult to get to adopt new technologies/methodologies, gdp continues to stagnate or decline, native population that has worse english skills than a rando ss african nation...the list goes on...the countries that have the leverage are literally circling like vultures looking at a pig that had its guts torn out by a pack of wolves and will inevitably die...

              this motherfricking moron

              Trust me, I fricking hate china as much as anybody else but there is absolutely nothing tangible that indicates anything other than china passing japan in per capita within a few decades, China has 600+ billionaires when including their diaspora, japan has maybe 10 or 11 ethnic japanese, the ratio is far greater than the population difference, of the 5 largest banks 4 are chinese and 1 is US, 1 chinese bank alone ICBC has more net assets than the entire japanese banking system, a "who" Chinese bank that is not even close to the largestt in China such as Postal Savings Bank of China would be the largest bank in Japan...2024 China gdp projected to grow by 4 or 5% which sucks for China, meanwhile Japan again contracted 0.5% combined with a worthless yen currency analysts have futures at 200+ to the US dollar, the real shock will be if it takes longer than 2040, but more than likely it will happen by the mid 2030s

              You're off your rocker
              China would have to do a consistent 6% GDP per capita growth for the next 15 years to come to where Japan is today
              Japanese contractions will be offset by the dying boomers who don't contribute much to GDP but will finally unlock their wealth for investment; think how this impacts GDP ((per capita))

              https://i.imgur.com/HP5mBDd.jpeg

              Ironically china is more transparent than japan by a wide margin

              lmao no
              this article is picking at Japan over one Ministry's stat, but basically EVERYTHING coming out of China is suspect

              Online trading on a few hundred dollars of penny stock doesn't count, I was an ex-pat banker in tokyo for a few years doing hostile takeovers for US / euro companies, did the Renault takeover of Nissan too even though I was only in my late 20s, I love japan but I love it like I love thailand or the philippines, no different

              >Renault
              ah, the pieces fall into place
              homosexual

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post seems very sensible until
          >when China passes Japan on per capita
          China is going to 2.5x it's economy in ten years with four dependants for every worker?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Trust me, I fricking hate china as much as anybody else but there is absolutely nothing tangible that indicates anything other than china passing japan in per capita within a few decades, China has 600+ billionaires when including their diaspora, japan has maybe 10 or 11 ethnic japanese, the ratio is far greater than the population difference, of the 5 largest banks 4 are chinese and 1 is US, 1 chinese bank alone ICBC has more net assets than the entire japanese banking system, a "who" Chinese bank that is not even close to the largestt in China such as Postal Savings Bank of China would be the largest bank in Japan...2024 China gdp projected to grow by 4 or 5% which sucks for China, meanwhile Japan again contracted 0.5% combined with a worthless yen currency analysts have futures at 200+ to the US dollar, the real shock will be if it takes longer than 2040, but more than likely it will happen by the mid 2030s

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Some of these issues are related to the mean-median argument: China is enormously corrupt and is overrepresented in things like billionaires and shadow banks. But they need to be 12x richer than Japan for per capita victory, and even hyperoptimistic 5% for 15 years despite worsening demographics and geopolitics is not enough even with fifteen years of 0% japanese growth. Also middle income trap would make Chinese manufacturing power irrelevant anyway, but we'd be getting into speculation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically china is more transparent than japan by a wide margin

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Japan's 73 versus China's 42 on the corruptions perceptions index seems at odds with this newspaper anecdote.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Thinking that throwing out complete and utter bullshit by China is more transparent than declining to comment by Japan

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This proves you are an economic brainlet

          Equities are not owned by countries, they are owned by institutional and individual investors, most are from the US, so when you see the Nikkei go up the typical nip feels nothing whereas the rich bankers in the US continue to enrich themselves, other large sources of institutional investors is China, Gulf nations and certain western Euro nations

          The UK is largely a theatre, not a nation in this regard to, this is why the typical Brit is perpetually in the middle class compared to the endless hordes of brown mega-rich buying up everything

          The only parts of an economy where it can directly translate into national power are those companies and entities that are directly involved in a military-industrial complex, hence why japan is fricked and is turning more into a playground for westerners and non-westerners every year

          Lmfao, keep telling yourself brainlet

          Equities investing is a zero sum game where the few that know what their doing get rich off of dumbasses like you, in the case of japan the reason why the equities continue to climb is due to the shit yen that is not expected to recover again forcing japan to further open up to foreign vultures since the government has absolutely no way out of this - native population decreasing almost 1 million per year, among the lowest reproduction rates, population that is generally difficult to get to adopt new technologies/methodologies, gdp continues to stagnate or decline, native population that has worse english skills than a rando ss african nation...the list goes on...the countries that have the leverage are literally circling like vultures looking at a pig that had its guts torn out by a pack of wolves and will inevitably die...

          https://i.imgur.com/tq0JvZO.png

          The coins in their video games don't count as cash in real life moron, the most meaningful metric of wealth is mean wealth per adult multiplied by the population, japan is near thirdie tier

          You clearly are a moron that has no clue and bragging about $100k net worth is comical when its when countries like Australia, New Zealand, Belgium are $300k+ with a mean 3x Japan

          So let me break this down for you in simple terms that maybe you can understand:

          Mean: everything averages out to $300k, minimum for low end of firsties, population 100 million, total national net worth can be calculated simply by multiplying $300k by 100 million

          Median: A few billionaires, 50% net worth of zero, 10% net worth above $1 million, 39% net worth of $10k, 1% the middle guy, hence median, at $100k...unless you know the other variables its impossible to calculate the net worth and either way it has to equal precisely the the mean figures you fricking 60 iq brown manlet

          Stop seething asiaticshill, no amount of shilling can save your wannabe-stealth larper from being 4th gen. Only superpowers and G7 can build 6th gens, it's not a front an irrelevant excolony like SK should be worried about in the first place.
          Also the recent super weak yen makes all Japanese economic figures look 20-30% smaller than usual, it's deceptive as frick.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >British rolls royce engines
    Everything so far points to the IHI XF9 engines as the base. With Rolls Royce helping it go from the XF9 prototype into an engine for GCAP.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd imagine it's something like XF9's high temp core combined with Rolls Royce's embedded power generator and possibly adaptive cycle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Everything so far points to the IHI XF9 engines as the base

      Nothing says this.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rolls Royce sent dozens of engineers to IHI back in 2021/22 for months of on-site work at IHI. As far as we know Rolls Royce never had an engine core built for the new engine they wanted for Tempest. So my guess is they saw the XF9 already running on test benches and are using that prototype as their base to build from.

        Maybe im wrong, but Rolls Royce hasn't really shown much in the last 4-5 years that would convince me otherwise.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >As far as we know Rolls Royce never had an engine core built for the new engine they wanted for Tempest.

          Once again you're just making shit up.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sony playstation 5 electronics and displays

    At least in this setting, having no games will be appropriate.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many game studios did Microsoft close recently?

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The demonstrator being flown uses two upgraded EJ-2000, donated by the Mod. It'll be attached to the new 10m long divertless supersonic intake that RR developed (pictured) and will include the extra performance (circa 20%) that's been possible for decades and also include new upgrades developed by RR in the 9 years since tempest started.

    If you're engine isn't flying already, it's not making the cut for a 2035 ISD. Japan may contribute elements of the design and get a chunk of manufacture. But the first engine of this jet will be a RR designed one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And the core is directly lifted from the XF9 with a big RR logo slapped on to help the brits feel like it's 100% theirs, just like they do with nuclear reactors for their submarines pretending they're British and not American.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And the core is directly lifted from the XF9 with a big RR logo slapped on to help the brits feel like it's 100% theirs
        >nips
        >jet engine
        Come back when they can get shits together.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but it's actually pretty good, in fact the anglo-japanese cooperation that developed into GCAP started as a joint engine demonstrator program to exploit XF9.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yea, but besides that evidence, what else would suggest the vastly superior Rolls Royce would need a nip company's help?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              RR has been in a shitter for some time now, it is either P&W or Safran for civilian and they are losing ground in military market, if it wasn't for Americans with their bone-throwing with the F35B and some janny contracts ... yeah.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The fact that any defense expo that the GCAP has been at has shown a scale model of the XF9 while the XG240 that RR tries to shill hasn't even left the drawing board. The fact that RR's testing on S-duct construction is stuck using EJ200s because they have no other engine to use.
              This exact same shit happened with JAGUAR where the brits admitted that when they brought Japan on, the joint project vastly surpassed any solo work that had been done at that point. Tempest was originally just going to use a shitty modification of the CAPTOR-E that the UK is still struggling to put on their Typhoons 30 years after the first fighter AESA flew.
              https://aviationweek.com/shownews/farnborough-airshow/enhanced-japanese-collaboration-could-transform-tempest-outlook
              >Details of the advanced features in the Jaguar are undisclosed, but Howard says the sensor represents a “significant development on current capability,” even exceeding capabilities for the Tempest’s Multi-Function Radio-Frequency System (MRFS)
              >The MRFS was going to be an “iterative development” of the European Common Radar System Mk. 2 sensor being developed for the UK’s Eurofighter Typhoon

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >m-muh glorious nippon engine folded over a thousand times
                Then why is Japan not working on its own plane instead of joining a joint project led by the bongs?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why is Japan not working on its own plane
                Because it's expensive.
                >joining a joint project led by the bongs?
                40/40/20 split, but lead by the bongs?
                Japanese head of the organization, but led by the bongs?
                https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/politics/defense-security/20231214-155511/
                >The first head of the implementing agency is expected to be Japanese, and the organization is planned to be headquartered in the United Kingdom
                Italy and the UK both wanted to Saudis on the program, but was singlehandedly vetoed by Japan, but led by the bongs?

                If you post a pic of the RR XG240 doing what pic rel is doing then I will admit defeat.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >40/40/20 split, but lead by the bongs?
                LMAO, you must be having an epilepsy to believe that Japan owns an equal share in the project as the bongs. Technologically speaking, the nips are contributing less than Italy which owns Leonardo that has got its own Radar and sensors produced for EF.
                https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/leonardo-ceo-criticizes-uk-for-lack-of-transparency-on-gcap-industrial-plans/
                Even its CEO has admitted the project is driven solely by the brits from the onset, obscuring Japan's role in the project even further.
                >He appeared to question UK secrecy, suggesting London has been unwilling to share how it will contribute to developing system of systems-type aircraft and technology, including how sixth generation crewed fighter jets will eventually link and interconnect with adjunct aircraft and artificial intelligence (AI) capable combat cloud networks to support multi-domain operations.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Basically all media reports agree 4:4:2 funding split, except for the interviews with Italian officials who all say it SHOULD be an equal split (not that it will be, just that it should be) and giving reasons for why they deserve to have an equal 1/3rd share.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Basically all media reports agree 4:4:2 funding split
                That's just how it's supposed look on paper according to their financial contributions, not that the UK will actually share its technology with all of the participants. Also, BAE is supposed to handle all the crucial parts including sensor fusion and system designing.

                https://i.imgur.com/efpS1qV.png

                >suggesting London has been unwilling to share how it will contribute to developing system of systems-type aircraft and technology
                aka London can't actually give a clear answer on what they are contributing.
                >Technologically speaking, the nips are contributing less than Italy which owns Leonardo that has
                Literally covered here [...] where Leonardo admits that joint work with Japan has surpassed their solo work that was some shitty 4.5 gen ECRS derivative.
                >got its own Radar and sensors produced for EF.
                Japan has been making it's own radars and sensors since the 1960s. Japan actually has a functioning AESA on a fighter unlike Leonardo. Japan also has a functioning 6th gen radar demonstrator. You are entirely incapable of showing a working engine demonstrator from RR, but surely you have a pic of Leonardo's radar demonstrator right?
                [...]
                >brainlet doesn't understand why you want more engines on a plane flying long distances over water
                They specifically went for 4 smaller engines because if 1 engine fails you have 3 back ups instead of just 1.

                >They specifically went for 4 smaller engines because if 1 engine fails you have 3 back ups instead of just 1.
                LMAO. Is this how it's brainwashing its followers? Come on, I thought nips were supposed to be smarter than this.

                >Yeah, it was so great that they had to double the engines for the actual plane to fly.
                asiaticshill, go home.
                > The four-engine low-wing loading design, results in a flight profile with better maneuverability and stability at low-speed, low-altitude flight and allows the aircraft to continue its mission in the event of a single engine failure. As well as greater operational survivability, the high-bypass engines provide for quiet, fuel-efficient operation.

                Again, you're coping at a laughable level.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think the US required the new Air Force One to use 4 engines because they're incompetent and incapable of using a 2 engined plane for the job?

                Same story for the new Survivable Airborne Operations Center program which also mandated a 4-engine wide-body passenger jet (IE, the 747-8) as the basis for the program.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the new Air Force One
                Completely different role. Also, the plane is a second hand aircraft bought from a Korean Air.
                https://www.twz.com/air/former-korean-air-747s-slated-to-become-usaf-doomsday-planes
                >Same story for the new Survivable Airborne Operations Center program which also mandated a 4-engine wide-body passenger jet (IE, the 747-8) as the basis for the program.
                Yeah, but those are not P-8 nor E-7, which are all based on 737NG.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >suggesting London has been unwilling to share how it will contribute to developing system of systems-type aircraft and technology
                aka London can't actually give a clear answer on what they are contributing.
                >Technologically speaking, the nips are contributing less than Italy which owns Leonardo that has
                Literally covered here

                https://i.imgur.com/YbuticH.png

                The fact that any defense expo that the GCAP has been at has shown a scale model of the XF9 while the XG240 that RR tries to shill hasn't even left the drawing board. The fact that RR's testing on S-duct construction is stuck using EJ200s because they have no other engine to use.
                This exact same shit happened with JAGUAR where the brits admitted that when they brought Japan on, the joint project vastly surpassed any solo work that had been done at that point. Tempest was originally just going to use a shitty modification of the CAPTOR-E that the UK is still struggling to put on their Typhoons 30 years after the first fighter AESA flew.
                https://aviationweek.com/shownews/farnborough-airshow/enhanced-japanese-collaboration-could-transform-tempest-outlook
                >Details of the advanced features in the Jaguar are undisclosed, but Howard says the sensor represents a “significant development on current capability,” even exceeding capabilities for the Tempest’s Multi-Function Radio-Frequency System (MRFS)
                >The MRFS was going to be an “iterative development” of the European Common Radar System Mk. 2 sensor being developed for the UK’s Eurofighter Typhoon

                where Leonardo admits that joint work with Japan has surpassed their solo work that was some shitty 4.5 gen ECRS derivative.
                >got its own Radar and sensors produced for EF.
                Japan has been making it's own radars and sensors since the 1960s. Japan actually has a functioning AESA on a fighter unlike Leonardo. Japan also has a functioning 6th gen radar demonstrator. You are entirely incapable of showing a working engine demonstrator from RR, but surely you have a pic of Leonardo's radar demonstrator right?

                https://i.imgur.com/7jDvIEo.jpeg

                >b-but muh heavy-duty gas turbine market...
                Meaningless meme figures. It doesn't even count engines for passenger jets.
                >In reality it has an extremely high bypass ratio and thrust to weight ratio for it's class.
                Yeah, it was so great that they had to double the engines for the actual plane to fly.

                >brainlet doesn't understand why you want more engines on a plane flying long distances over water
                They specifically went for 4 smaller engines because if 1 engine fails you have 3 back ups instead of just 1.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what is ETOPS

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A strict limitation on over-water operation of twin engine jets. You can only fly a certain distance over water with 2 engines because if 1 dies you need to have enough range to get back to land.

                Also if your plane has more than 2 engines you're exempted from most ETOPS rules.

                > all-cargo operations in airplanes with more than two engines of both part 121 and part 135 are exempted from the majority of this rule.

                Though strictly speaking all of these rules only exist for commercial/civilian aviation, the military can and does flights that break ETOPS rules all the time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Italians have the superior sensortech, RAM and electronics and Japanese have superior engines and have experience developing modern airframes.
                All I see is Britain struggling to prove why it is on the project in the first place.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Italians have the superior sensortech
                You are now aware that the new radar and ESM tech was designed by Leonardo UK in Edinburgh. Formerly Seles-EX, formerly BAE.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ignoring the fact that the UK is the aerospace heavyweight in the group. No one else has been in as many joint aerospace projects as the UK*, they have a long list of complaints with how things should be run, and so far their team Tempest Model between industry and RAF, minimising political involvement seems to be faster and cheaper than any other joint project we've seen.

                *off the top of my head, F35, Typhoon, Tornado, Jaguar, Harrier, Concorde and those are just the whole aircaft, there's more for weapons, engines and other subsystems.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Name the last year in which Britain designed a plane on its own, not purely on its own, collaborations on some parts is fine.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the bongs are leading Typhoon development and the pastas know it
                the japs are good license manufacturers but they don't build their own
                the Kawasaki P-1 appears decent but it's not a jet

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They built that kawaii fifth gen a while ago tho

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >built
                which?
                they said they were going to build the F-X, but in my opinion, while they knew they could probably do it, they probably know it will be an inferior fighter compared to what GCAP could achieve

                >the japs are good license manufacturers but they don't build their own
                becoming less true as time passes, see Akizuki + Asahi class DDs, Mogami class FFs, AAM-4, AAM-5, Type 90 and 10 MBTs &c.

                yeah sure
                but not yet

                Typhoon is an Airbus-led project.
                Answer the question.

                >Typhoon is an Airbus-led project.
                Airbus isn't the one equipping Typhoon with the latest radars, defensive subsystems and smart bombs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                is there some sort of issue with my list of counterexamples?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, none

                >Airbus isn't the one equipping Typhoon with the latest radars, defensive subsystems and smart bombs.
                Answer the question.

                I've answered the question, but you're pretending not to hear it, I'm not playing your little boy games, frick you, frick your dad, frick your town bicycle of a mum, over and out.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eurofighter Typhoon is a project led by the Airbus Defence and Space which is a (sadly) German division of Airbus.
                You order (not that anyone is doing that(rightfully so when superior alternatives exist)) Typhoons from Airbus, not BAE.

                I will answer my own question since you seem angry.
                Last time England developed a fighter (if F117 is an F, so is this) jet is the wonderful Harrier jet, all the way back in the 1960's.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Eurofighter Typhoon is a project led by the Airbus
                Nope, guess again

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Airbus isn't the one equipping Typhoon with the latest radars, defensive subsystems and smart bombs.
                Answer the question.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the japs are good license manufacturers but they don't build their own
                becoming less true as time passes, see Akizuki + Asahi class DDs, Mogami class FFs, AAM-4, AAM-5, Type 90 and 10 MBTs &c.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >see Akizuki + Asahi class DDs, Mogami class FFs, AAM-4, AAM-5, Type 90 and 10 MBTs
                All meme level weapons with no real achievement. Only weebtards drool over them. The same goes for P-1.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Typhoon is an Airbus-led project.
                Answer the question.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                2024, it's done all the work on the tempest prototype.

                Colaborating doesn't mean design experience doesn't exist.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Show British 2100K material tech.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                money and economies of scale

                more money in the development stage + more orders in the long term is only going to benefit (if managed properly) the platform. Japan was ready to go it alone but the UK seemed to court japan over a few years, wonder what happened behind the scenes, but from an outside perspective it doesn't APPEAR as if japan was running to the UK for help or anything.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Japan pretty much sick of developing expensive shit they want to keep cost down and getting other people involved can keep the cost down by the increase in planes bought as well as decrease in workload Japan needs to do

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No matter how hard nips try to shill their products, the very fact that they were never able to compete on a commercial level beats out the rest.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://exporttojapan.co.uk/lessons-business-japan-rolls-royce/
              >“Japan is an important base for us,” said Davis, “both as a customer and a supplier. About 20% of any airplane usually is Japanese.”
              Are you that moronic? Japan has a significant share in either wing construction or engine construction of most commercial planes built.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but they aren't building name plate Japanese engines so it doesn't count :^)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                homie, I'm talking about the engine, not some fuselage structures that can be outsourced to even roaches or random thirdies. Japan's most recent achievement in high bypass turbofan engine, the IHI F7, was a total joke of a product.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >homie, I'm talking about the engine
                https://www.ihi.co.jp/en/products/aeroengine_space_defense/aircraft_engines/
                https://www.mhi.com/products/air/aircraft_civil_aero_engine_list.html
                Japan has had a hand in developing some of the most used jet engines in the world
                https://power.mhi.com/news/240315.html
                https://www.modernpowersystems.com/news/mitsubishi-achieves-number-one-gt-status-for-second-year-11614261/
                Mitsubishi also has a 56% global market share in advanced gas turbine engines and holds the #1 overall spot in gas turbine market in general.
                >Japan's most recent achievement in high bypass turbofan engine, the IHI F7, was a total joke of a product.
                Are you just going off of thrust metrics because it's a comparatively small engine optimized for low alt MPA operation. In reality it has an extremely high bypass ratio and thrust to weight ratio for it's class.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but muh heavy-duty gas turbine market...
                Meaningless meme figures. It doesn't even count engines for passenger jets.
                >In reality it has an extremely high bypass ratio and thrust to weight ratio for it's class.
                Yeah, it was so great that they had to double the engines for the actual plane to fly.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah, it was so great that they had to double the engines for the actual plane to fly.
                asiaticshill, go home.
                > The four-engine low-wing loading design, results in a flight profile with better maneuverability and stability at low-speed, low-altitude flight and allows the aircraft to continue its mission in the event of a single engine failure. As well as greater operational survivability, the high-bypass engines provide for quiet, fuel-efficient operation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And the core is directly lifted from the XF9 with a big RR logo slapped on

        Source? I'm assuming it's your ass like the last two times?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >two upgraded EJ-2000
      hngh

      >engines by British Leyland
      >weapons systems by Breda
      >fuel-tanks by Mitsubishi
      Gentleman, I present to you: the hypothetical worst fighter plane in history

      kek

      Good. I kinda hope Germany stayed as both Tornado and Typhoon can be considered a success story of pan european jet cooperation but I guess the brits are pretty sick of them grandstanding shit so let them sleep with the french so they could taste their own medicine.
      I think Sweden should join in and try to pivot their gripen replacement to align with this joint 6th gen fighter project.

      >Typhoon can be considered a success story of pan european jet cooperation
      my man, Typhoon is a success DESPITE German intransigence
      just about everything good about it is British-led
      to this day, the Germans decided to cuck their pilots by opting for the shittier AESA radar instead of the better one, because "is nicht gemacht in Deutschland" (made in UK)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >just about everything good about it is British-led
        to this day,
        Care to explain?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >explain?
          TLDR Eurofighter Typhoon already has superb kinematics, in that sense it is the best fighter in the world short of the F-22.
          It was a little more limited in firepower and sensors, but not for lack of technical know-how.
          The Germans etc didn't care about it because muh end of history, so they let it rot.
          So the British did all they could, more or less singlehandedly adding Storm Shadow, Brimstone, the Praetorian defence system, PIRATE IRST, upgraded Litening targeting pods, and most importantly pushing for CAPTOR-E AESA and sensor fusion

          of which, as I said, the Germs STILL won't shell out for rather shallow reasons and so only the RAF Typhoons have the full Mk2 model with greater Meteor integration, increased power and electronic attack capability

          This is like the other week where you said you "just laid off 2000 people"? Or the time before that where you claimed you "just closed a 7 figure deal" or the time before that where you said you went to Sweden for 2 weeks and fricked 30 women or the time before that where you made up a wiener and bull story about a "nationalist bar" in Tokyo?

          is that asiaticshill you're talking about? or some other known schizo?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            p.s. Taurus still isn't fully integrated with Typhoon
            the Germs just hate the Luftwaffe it seems

            Nobody wants to get onboard a sinking ship. Just let it bleed out slowly till its death.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But it's not a sinking ship, or rather, it's only sinking due to lack of easily carried out maintenance.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting, how comes Spain and Italy will go with the German MK1a radar instead of the British MK2 for their tranche 4 Eurofighters?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              like Germany, they don't want to spend the extra dosh either
              they're cash strapped; remember the acronym PIIGS?
              out of the NATO Europe Big Five militaries,
              Italy's and Spain's GDP and defence budget both are #4 and #5, significantly behind UK and France

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hmm, then why do buy new Eurofighters instead of refurbishing the old ones like the UK? Do you really think it’s monetary reasons and not just the MK1a being available while, iirc, the MK2 not being produced until 2030?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why do buy new Eurofighters instead of refurbishing the old ones
                this is a complicated question that takes into consideration the cost of refurbishing and how much wear and tear the aircraft has already undergone, vs buying new
                it's the same as cars, if you've experienced it
                buying a new car can be only slightly more expensive than upgrading and maintaining an old car, and you get to drive it longer
                >Do you really think it’s monetary reasons and not just the MK1a being available while, iirc, the MK2 not being produced until 2030?
                The Mk2 is in production now, it's just that delivery will be in 2028. In the same way Mk1a is in production now but delivery will be earlier, probably 2027? 2026?
                I'm certain Italy and Spain are penny pinching, I don't know why Germany is doing what it does.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I get your point about the old car but the new tranche4+ airframes actually are made with modularity and upgradability in mind so keeping the old ones doesn’t make much sense unless you dont care about the future (which is true for UK anyways since they focus on the F-35 and GCAP now)
                > The Mk2 is in production now, it's just that delivery will be in 2028. In the same way Mk1a is in production now but delivery will be earlier, probably 2027? 2026?
                Germany will get its first tranche 4s in 2025 so most likely 2025
                >I'm certain Italy and Spain are penny pinching, I don't know why Germany is doing what it does.
                The MK1a was developed by Hensoldt so probably gibs by the German gov or something. Spain, Italy and afaik Arabs just hopped on the train and ordered tranche 4s since they’re new and the biggest change since the original EF

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          p.s. Taurus still isn't fully integrated with Typhoon
          the Germs just hate the Luftwaffe it seems

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >engines by British Leyland
    >weapons systems by Breda
    >fuel-tanks by Mitsubishi
    Gentleman, I present to you: the hypothetical worst fighter plane in history

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will defend Leyland L60 to the end of my days just because the Chieftain sounds so good

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. I kinda hope Germany stayed as both Tornado and Typhoon can be considered a success story of pan european jet cooperation but I guess the brits are pretty sick of them grandstanding shit so let them sleep with the french so they could taste their own medicine.
    I think Sweden should join in and try to pivot their gripen replacement to align with this joint 6th gen fighter project.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Italians will assemble it
    >British will feed the Italians
    >Japs will fax the progress reports
    I'm sure it will be a truly next gen fighter

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what's the issue with italian assembly
      aren't they in charge of final assembly and QC of most F-35s already?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please don't ask this poster serious questions, his conceptions of these countries come solely from those interwar newspaper cartoons when they're scrambling africa

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Replace the uk with germany

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a UK led program. Sorry.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this thread should be axed lol this is boring and not about jets

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >prototype in 2026
    Iirc that's actually ahead of schedule, which is pretty much unheard of in regards to aircraft development. What makes this trio so powerful?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the manned prototype is still 2028, the 2026 one will likely be the loyal wingman.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm inclined to think that is still optimistic. Problems will come up, as they always do. That being said, what the GCAP is striving to achieve is mostly doing so using technology that either already exists, or has been trialed and demonstrated in various previous projects. The major emphasis seems to be less on introducing something that is an absolute earth-shattering revolution than it is on ensuring the thing is well future proofed for emerging tech that isn't quite there yet. It also helps that all three participants don't seem to be bickering quite as much over workshare, and mostly on the same page as far as overall scope of capabilities go.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is just 5th gen fighter.
    It is like that time Rafael claimed they developed a sixth gen NLOS ATGM and totally not because Akeron, first of the 5th gens, became avaliable and the Spike being inferior.
    Literally the same.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A 6th gen aircraft is literally just a 5th gen with vastly improved electronics and optionally manned capabilities.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are no "vastly improved" electronics or sensortech in Tempest compared to the F35 or even ... nah, gonna get called a frog shill.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell me more about the sensor suite and electronics of GCAP. I'm curious how you'd know such fine details about an aircraft that doesn't even have a prototype yet.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It is superior because it is supposed to fly in the 40s, not next fricking year.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You can have flying prototypes well before any of the more advanced design features have been implemented. Getting a prototype in the air is one of the earliest fricking things you do you moron. The F-22 was flying almost a decade before it got introduced.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                YF-22 first flew in 1990
                F-22 first flew in 1997
                F-22 entered service in 2005

                GCAP wants a flying prototype in 2027
                Likely a first flight of the "real" aircraft sometime around 2030-32 with the hope to enter service around 2035.

                If I were a betting man I'd say it's more likely 2028 for the prototype, 2033-34 for a production design's first flight, with service entry sometime before 2040.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          one of the main benefits of GCAP over F-35 is the twin engines give a MUCH larger power headroom for local computing power, meaning it can do a LOT more sensor fusion shit without needing to wait on some super computer cluster back in the US to give you an answer.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A 6th gen aircraft is literally just a 5th gen with vastly improved electronics and optionally manned capabilities.

          I think an adaptive cycle engine is also a requirement for 6th gen

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Countries set out to develop a 6th gen
          >Everyone agrees its a 6th gen
          >Except some random internet anon
          >Ergo it is 5th gen
          I bow before your wisdom.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Leonardo UK has already announced vastly superior radar and ESM tech than is currently flying. Combine that with front and rear facing radars and a far higher electrical output and it's absolutely a step above what we currently have.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It isn't hard to have something be superior to the Typhoon.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Better than anything flying anywhere.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The "acute lack of orders" plane?

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    testies

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Americans getting home from work, christ

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's sunday afternoon, no one was working today.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was Sunday, you dumb fricking bong

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    as someone working with RR all I can legally say is YEAH BABY

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They had to double the engines for the actual plane to fly
    >They had to use low bypass engines with even less thrust than the F7.
    Surely Britain's MPA sector is still going strong producing new designs right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Nimrod
      >First flight: 1967
      Yeah, really kinda makes you think.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review of the Armed Forces, the UK government announced the cancellation of the MRA4 on 19 October 2010 and consequently that RAF Kinloss, the intended base for the Nimrod fleet, would be closed.
        >It has been reported that following the retirement of the Nimrod MR2 (in March 2010[44]), Russian submarines have been able to travel past the UK in international waters, but they could not be tracked because of the lack of suitable aircraft.
        >In November and early December 2014 four maritime patrol aircraft operated by France, Canada and the United States were based at RAF Lossiemouth to attempt to locate a Russian submarine which had been spotted in British territorial waters off west Scotland
        Have you thanked a Canadian yet today for protecting your home?

        https://i.imgur.com/bDvFz6G.jpeg

        Are you still going to pretend that this isn't the best MPA on the market?

        Best for the price yeah, but the P-1 uses a lot of the same sensors + Japanese ones while being optimized for low altitude flight profile instead of being a converted civilian plane. The issue with the P-1 is the cost that countries with minimal threats don't want to spend on an MPA. Germany got really close, but backed out last minute because the military type certification of the P-1 would go past the program deadline.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a plane built in the 2010s has the same design philosophy as a passenger jet that came out in the 1960s
          DOA.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you still going to pretend that this isn't the best MPA on the market?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        P-1 has a longer range and better fuel efficiency, it's also just better all around at low altitude operations. The P-1 can technically coast on just 2 engines with the other 2 shut off. Which obviously the P-8 can't do.

        The P-8 however likely has a wider range of systems it can work with thanks to the USNs big budget and an expansive inventory of toys.

        The P-8 was designed to fly at higher altitudes and operate in concert with drones and other assets and sensors that can make up for the increased altitude. The P-1 was designed to operate at lower altitudes and independently (or at least with a lot less support from friendly assets/sensors off-board)

        In a pure aeronautical sense, the P-1 is a bit better, but from a what do I buy from my country sense, the P-8 is cheaper, has similar aeronautical capability, and has a wider range of systems integrated to cover many situations, especially if you're already invested into the American MIC.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >twice the maintenance burden
          >good
          Not even actual nip nationalists would believe it to be true.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the engines get to run at their optimal range for efficiency instead of performance, which means increased maintenance intervals too.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the engines get to run at their optimal range for efficiency instead of performance, which means increased maintenance intervals too.
              Yeah, but that doesn't justify the additional weight they're gonna add to the dead weight of the plane. Literally do they not teach you about such things in high school?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cant say that with any degree of certainty without actually know the specifics on the maintenance intervals of both aircraft to compare.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that why the airliners are retiring A380 or 747 and turning to 777X for long range flights? It's not too hard for you to think about it on your own.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah because long-range high-altitude passenger flights and low-altitude maritime patrol is totally the same kinda of operational rigor. It's almost like they're not directly comparable roles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you realize the air is thicker at lower altitudes? Practically, there's less drag working at higher altitudes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's also just better all around at low altitude operations

          You mean where the submarines can hear you?

          The UK does ASW better than anyone else. We evaluated P1 and P8 and P8 was the clear winner.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The UK does ASW better than anyone else.
            Oh, cmn mate, it is an American plane.

            >Italians have the superior sensortech
            You are now aware that the new radar and ESM tech was designed by Leonardo UK in Edinburgh. Formerly Seles-EX, formerly BAE.

            So, it is in possession of the Italians?
            Just because your shipyards produce ships, it doesn't make them any less Chinese.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Did your dad fall into vat of warm Cornish clotted cream and die or something?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No.

                >So, it is in possession of the Italians
                The name on the door doesn't matter, the people do, and they are brits living in the UK.

                It is an Italian company and they are its employees. Leonardo did excellent before they bought the dilipated British company.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh it's this homosexual

                >So, it is in possession of the Italians
                The name on the door doesn't matter, the people do, and they are brits living in the UK.

                Did your dad fall into vat of warm Cornish clotted cream and die or something?

                ignore him, he's the italian warriortard

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                British nationalist, I am not Italian.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >So, it is in possession of the Italians
              The name on the door doesn't matter, the people do, and they are brits living in the UK.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >So, it is in possession of the Italians?
              that makes the Bradley a British IFV then, frocio

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, because Bradley was made before the buyout.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wing root engines
      Sexo.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly Italy and Japan should get into the civilian aviation businesses too and bury Boeing for good. Then Airbus would have competition that isn't known for having doors blowing off and being lubricated with dish soap.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Japan should get into the civilian aviation businesses
      It did.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_SpaceJet
      Don't ask what happened to it afterwards.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        FAA rules and then COVID, and then they just bought CRJ. Though at the moment Mitsubishi has yet to restart production of CRJs.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wonder if they also needed to reallocate staff for the F-35 assembly.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No they just don't see much demand since most airlines ordered the CRJs they wanted/needed before production ended, so at the moment anyway there really isn't anyone looking for a ton of them, if they wait another couple of years they can potentially restart production and land a few major orders. Instead of starting production now and having a trickle of orders.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So TL;DR thanks Winnie the flu and the CCP's moronic ineffective lock down measures?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        FAA rules and then COVID, and then they just bought CRJ. Though at the moment Mitsubishi has yet to restart production of CRJs.

        i am convinced that goof and scope clause are the worst things that could have happened to US regional aviation in the next decade, mrj would have been so fricking cool

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >mrj would have been so fricking cool
          In what sense? The engineering team couldn't even explain why the wiring was designed in such a way, because it was just several different designs purchased from elsewhere, and then put together by a group of retired engineers from multiple different airplane makers. And when they left the project, no one had a clue of what's going on.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            mostly just wienerpit modernization, cabin dimensions and an early application of the geared turbine, really, and maybe just a little bit of not being just another ERJ or CRJ
            I admit to being entranced by the new and shiny

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >mostly just wienerpit modernization, cabin dimensions and an early application of the geared turbine, really, and maybe just a little bit of not being just another ERJ or CRJ
              MSJ was going to use off-the-shelf Honeywell wienerpits anyways, since they were already FAA approved. Just like almost all of the components in the plane(except for maybe the wing and the fuselage structure), including the engine, it was going to be filled with already pre-existing components.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah but in a new and sexy shape though. really I was just imagining that it would be a little like bringing the HondaJet experience to US budget carrier customers

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Will this be THE most cozy fighter to pilot?
    drone pilots sit in a gaming chair

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because Australia is going to get involved.

    Hope you c**ts like cardboard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unique VB combustion engine, allowing pilot and aircraft to refuel simultaneously, will revolutionise warfare

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't Rolls Royce made by BMW now?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      RR Holdings plc and RR Motor Cars Ltd are unrelated

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You guys are slipping, had to return from other boards just to weeb it up and truth bomb this Black person. Japan will make it's own 6th gen. Fighters. Hopefully we'll get to see it within 2 years.

    .
    The questions is will your country by these or F-35's; the rest is just moving money into pockets unless there's a working flying protype.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japan is fully invested into GCAP at this point, though part of GCAP requirements they had was that both the UK and Japan would develop flying prototypes so japan is rolling the planned F-X prototype into a GCAP prototype instead.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >planned F-X prototype

        No such thing exists. F-X was nothing more than concept work.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They did wind tunnel testing on scale airframe prototypes with the idea of scaling it up in ~2023-26 timeframe. Now it's shifted to GCAP flying prototype in 2027/8.

          Nothing really changed just like the UK's Tempest today with GCAP isn't the same Tempest the UK would've made had they done it alone.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah wind tunnel testing various designs doesn't mean it's a prototype aircaft. Most companies do regular testing.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, but there was already a timeline and plan in place to move forward into a flying prototype, pretending their wasn't is just moronation, and instead of moving forward alone with that plan, they've joined GCAP and shifted focus to that but a lot of their F-X development efforts have paid dividends and are still useful for GCAP development. Like the new airframe construction methods, the new radar developments, the IHI XF9 engine developments, etc.
              All of that was for the F-X program and will be brought to GCAP.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A timeline that existed when Lockheed was just going to convert an existing aircaft for them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, that was a timeline that existed after japan already told them to frick off.

                The Japanese MoD had already decided in 2018 not to pursue an existing design or modification of an existing design (what lockheed was presenting) they left the door open to cooperation with the UK on tempest, but kept moving forward with the domestic F-X plan until they joined with the UK to form GCAP in 2023. Throughout 2019-23 the UK and japan would work independently, and together on various 6th gen related developments until eventually joining their efforts fully (and officially) in 2023.

                Go ahead and rewrite history to pretend japan NEVER had domestic prototype plans, but you look dumb as shit to anyone who has been following the development of Japanese aviation over the last decade+.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Japan already had an engine and radar demonstrator as well as building full scale fuselage sections before combining their program with the UK. Japan was way farther ahead in basically every aspect when it came to 6th gen tech. Before Tempest merged into GCAP is was just a industry study on potential sub-systems for a 6th gen and didn't have a finalized product in mind.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope, the mature tempest design had flown in a digital environment years ago. Tempest airframe design started in 2015 when a decision was mad to proceed without France.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can we see it?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mature tempest design had flown
                It was so mature the entirely scrapped the design as soon as GCAP started
                >in a digital environment
                LOL

                [...]
                Yeah, but that doesn't prevent you from running your own project instead of joining a British run project. Cope weeblords.

                >>The first head of the implementing agency is expected to be Japanese, and the organization is planned to be headquartered in the United Kingdom
                Sounds like cope to you when a nip is the head of the entire organization making all the calls.
                >inb4 muh HQ in the UK means its British
                Look at all these British people who are British for existing in the UK.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sounds like cope to you when a nip is the head of the entire organization making all the calls.
                Good, sounds like GCAP getting shit done, wile FCAS is just autistic screeching.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SCAF began studies and demonstrator development.

                Without NATO my penis would never feel the warm embrace of a man’s shitty butthole. We would be living in the dark ages of Hitler’s Germany.
                When I see those F-35s soaring through the sky I think to myself:
                “I can’t wait to ride all my boyfriend’s wieners and lick their balls and drink their cum”.
                NATO is going to frick Russia up.
                When a country is oppressing freedom, a real man steps up to the plate, bends over, and gets fricked in the ass.

                Right on, sister!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I salute you.

                We won't rest until every country is a Brazilified gay bar with free peoples waddling around with state sponsored buttplugs that explode if they detect a transphobic thought.
                That’s what we signed up for.

                Give ‘em hell NATO!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russians go around with these thoughts in their head and claim they're not gay

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/1sCsgkL.jpeg

                Yeah.

                I’m sitting on one of my boyfriends meaty (but short) wieners right now thinking about how I can’t wait to shoot Russian dogs for labeling LGBT organizations as terrorists.
                That isn’t American.
                Real Americans kiss fat tender balls. Real Americans know diversity is their strength. Real Americans promote homosexuality to their children. Real Americans teach their host population to hate themselves for being wicked evil colonizers with privilege.

                I refuse to let the evil Russians win and take serious offense to being accused of being one. If it wasn’t for NATO, I wouldn’t be sitting on this wonderful fat wiener millions of soldiers died for.

                I’m bringing freedom to the world and Russia can cower in fear.

                Give ‘em hell NATO.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are such a moron, hoky frick.
                Do you honestly think you are doing anything?
                Does the continued resistance to your shitskin kind on this board upset you?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hoky frick
                Back to English class Ivan.

                No straight man ever makes up elaborate fantasies such as these, especially to "own" someone else. You're gay, Sasha. Accept it.

                Are you seriously being homophobic?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No straight man ever makes up elaborate fantasies such as these, especially to "own" someone else. You're gay, Sasha. Accept it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I remember that the UK's then defense procurement minister visited the site to inspect the new composite bonded fuselage structure. Picrel is a section of the mid fuselage.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/nDMSsh8.png

                Thank god Japan has the UK to teach them everything about aerospace development. Just look at how much the UK has done vs Japan.

                https://i.imgur.com/27mXm2C.jpeg

                I remember that the UK's then defense procurement minister visited the site to inspect the new composite bonded fuselage structure. Picrel is a section of the mid fuselage.

                https://i.imgur.com/IgSR4Fz.jpeg

                If Japan's fighter jet tech was that big of a deal, then why didn't it go independently? Even if the funding was the problem they could've pushed forward with its own project but it didn't.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >even if no money and the market is oversaturated, you should have done it just to disprove my point

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cost you Black person, this has been mentioned like 3 times in this thread already.

                Yeah, but that doesn't prevent you from running your own project instead of joining a British run project. Cope weeblords.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cost you Black person, this has been mentioned like 3 times in this thread already.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's not cheap.
                Because there's plenty of mature tech that the Brits and Italians have and can contribute.
                Because Japan also is seeking more allies outside just the US
                Because, jokes aside, the Brits and Italians have good track records on co-development.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the rest is just moving money into pockets unless there's a working flying protype.
          Can you read Black person

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah wind tunnel testing various designs doesn't mean it's a prototype aircaft. Most companies do regular testing.

          yeah because you definitely know how much work had gone into it, being privy to secret program data and all
          homosexual

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >meme prototype aircraft with no actual purpose other than experimental purposes
      >somehow this means Japan can now make 6th gen without outside help
      At least, KAAN has IWB and weapon stations.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The X-2 also flew 8 years earlier and with domestic engines.

        KAAN is flying with GE engines in 2024, not really the same thing.

        Also, the X-2 was never meant to have weapons stations, the "real" version would've been scaled up and have twin engines, the X-2 was ONLY ever supposed to be an unarmed scale demonstrator that could be scaled up later for a real fighter if they felt it was ready (and it wasn't so it was rolled into the F-X development which then became the GCAP development)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh engines
          Actually hardwares are the least hardest part in the development, it's the software where the japs found themselves to be going nowhere.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's only true for Americans - Swedes and French seemed to have figured it out just fine, while Amis fricked up the F35. It's been said they adopted the Gripen's open architecture approach to the B21

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Japs can't into software
            Brain damage. Even if what you said was true about it being the harder part, Japs have literally been integrating their own weapons systems, RWR, and ECM systems since the F-104. They had to overhaul all the EW systems on the F-15J after the US didn't sell them the F-15 EW package. They did all the software and avionics for the F-2 and did their own FBW that was better than the F-16 FBW.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based. I'm happy GCAP is progressing well, not many countries are even bothering to attempt 6th gen aircraft so it'll probably kill on the export market.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      6th gen is 3 times as crowded as the 5th gen.
      Everyone is going into it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US isn't exporting NGAD or F/X-AA
        UK/Italy/Japan are doing GCAP
        Germany/France/Spain/Belgium are doing FCAS

        NGAD is expected to enter service first
        F/A-XX is likely to follow a few years later (though the navy suggested delaying funding this year for F/A-XX to prioritize other projects)
        GCAP is expected to be the first 6th gen fighter that will be available on the export market (at least to close western allies) sometime around 2035-40.
        FCAS isn't expected to enter service until 2045-50 at this point and if things get delayed during development could easily go a few more years.

        So it's very possible if GCAP stays on schedule it could have a solid 5-10 year headstart on FCAS for export sales.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your assumptions around FCAS are wrong tho.
          The workshare has been decided, conceptualisation is in progress, early tech research and development is starting.
          You, nor I, do not know when it will enter service.

          Shame the French are once again transferring their tech to fricking Germans tho.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >France Germany fall out
            >France goes its own way makes Rafael pt2
            >Germany buys FCAS pretends it was involved all along

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The previously stated service entry date was 2040. All of the latest service entry date talk has been 2045. That target date for service entry shifted only in the last 2 or 3 years.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Workshare agreement was laid out not even half a year ago.
              And most of that talk comes from Trappier, who is upset with Airbus Defence and Space thinking they are capable of leading the development of a jet that will have orders.

              On the matter by Eric;
              >We are confirmed in our role as prime contractor and architect of the aircraft, and we have obtained protection for our industrial know-how and our technologies.
              This seems to be the best outcome possible, French keep their tech to themselves, Spaniards get electrical work and Germans get a bone or two thrown at them so they continue laying down the greens every first of the month.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dassault CEO said FCAS/NGF was now coming in 2050...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                2 years ago, when Airbus was hawkish on it being the main part of the project.

                >discounting Russian 5th gen
                >while counting it's even less legitimate 6th gen
                Don't even need to address the other inaccuracies to know you're a fricking moron.

                Su-57 is a shitbox that was uplifted, or pushed, into this category by Kremlin propaganda, nothing more.
                You will note how I said "projects" before calling anyone moronic and you will learn to read slower.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you were just talking about "projects" then there's no reason to discount all those other 5th gen programmes you tard. Stop being disingenuous.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aha, and you were talking about real materialised 6th Gens.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm talking about 5th gen and 6th gen programmes. You're being moronic on purpose.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ... sure, whatever.

                And no new timeline has come out since.

                don't talk about things you don't know anything about

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And no new timeline has come out since.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >2 years ago, when Airbus was hawkish on it being the main part of the project.
                and now they're saying 2045 instead of 2040.

                Clearly the goal has slipped from 2040 to 2045, and may slip further to 2050.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who is "they"? You do realise SCAF is a study, not a programme.
                Any kind of a timeframe in your 2 year old articles is being discussed only by Trappier and he uses that as leverage against Airbus.
                >"Oh, Airbus is pushing for prime contractor position, you can expect a delay of about a decade or so. -- Yeah, a decade at the minimum, not bullshiting you or anything."

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        5th gen
        >USA
        >Russia
        >China
        >Turkey
        >South Korea
        6th gen
        >USA
        >Germany/France/Spain
        >UK/Italy/Japan
        >Russia (?)
        The Russian project will never materialize and the US fighters aren't going to be exported. Leaving 2 programmes, of which GCAP is looking somewhat more certain. Assuming they pull it off they'll basically have the export market cornered.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          5th Gen
          >USA
          >China
          6th gen projects
          >USA ×2
          >China
          >France, Spain and Germany
          >Russia
          >Italy-Japan-England

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >discounting Russian 5th gen
            >while counting it's even less legitimate 6th gen
            Don't even need to address the other inaccuracies to know you're a fricking moron.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If we go by F-35 standards then even the Raptor doesn't qualify, shut up no-fun Black person

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Raptor is a 4.5th gen because of oudated electronics.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's what I mean, "true" 5th gen is stealth + sensor fusion. I don't think there's a single jet but F-35 that would qualify

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                J20 gets in on sheer ambiguity.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        6th gen is a meme.
        So far what we've seen are scaled up F-22 analogs with more range, payload and more modern electronics.

        It's going to be an incremental improvement.
        Mark my words, it's what NGAD will turn out to be as well.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >5th gen is a meme.
          >So far what we've seen are scaled up F-15 analogs with more range, payload and more modern electronics.
          All "generations" in modern weapons systems are a meme, see

          This is just 5th gen fighter.
          It is like that time Rafael claimed they developed a sixth gen NLOS ATGM and totally not because Akeron, first of the 5th gens, became avaliable and the Spike being inferior.
          Literally the same.

          .

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are unironically somewhat right.
            When 5th gen came about, it was about stealth, supercruise, sensors and supermaneuvrability.

            Then the F35 came, and dropped the kinematics back to 4th gen level.

            Turns out what really matters are sensors, payload, range and missiles. Stealth is still controversial in usefulness and effectiveness, and may be relegated to dedicated platforms in the future.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I personally think that 6th Gen will be the most distinct generation in a while.
              These "fighters" are called "system of systems" since they will provide data acquisition, processing and interpretation for wingman drones that will do the missile trucking or fighting other fighters.
              While last 2 "generations" have been a meme, these will be distinct.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    globalism is a mistske

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thank god Japan has the UK to teach them everything about aerospace development. Just look at how much the UK has done vs Japan.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, the X-2 is a 5th gen flying demonstrator, the 6th gen flying demonstrator won't be until 2027/8.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the research got repurposed for GCAP, especially the RAM stuff. And it's still more than bongs have ever done.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I agree, but calling the X-2 a 6th gen flying demonstrator is just not really what it was at all.

          That's like saying the YF-22 is a 6th gen demonstrator because NGAD will use lessons we learned from the YF-22 and the F-22, like sure, technically, but decades later and only after another proper 6th gen NGAD prototype gets made.

          Japan isn't going from X-2 to production GCAP, they're going from X-2 to a GCAP prototype, then to production GCAP.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The UK has some Sduct thingies.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That’s gonna be such a based jet fighter to enforce homosexuality and protect Israel with. Dude, our democracy is so based, we need to protect our democracy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mad you shitty thread got nooked?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No idea what you’re talking about you paranoid schizophrenic.
        I just really want NATO and NATO friendly nations to be as powerful as possible to ensure interracial men can frick each other in the ass and restrict civilian gun ownership. You think I’m joking but I’m not.
        I love anal sex with men, and I always support the nations allowing me to frick as many male asses as possible.
        I wish this jet fighter the greatest success.

        In a perfect world, NATO would own the entire planet and everyone would be having gratuitous amounts of gay sex while Israel sits as a shining beacon on the hill of this wholesome transformation of society.

        NATO, I’m filling this man’s butthole up for you tonight, keep being great.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're welcome, my homosexual friend. I'll be fricking my wife but you're free to live as you wish.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You and I should get together. It’s a hate crime for you to strike me for being gay so I’m going to frick you in the ass and cum in your butt after I tease you into have gay sex with me.
            I want to have gay sex with you and talk about how cool airplanes are. We should argue about who has the best radar jamming technology while I ram my greasy patriotic hogger up your crusty shithole.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Having*

              Let’s meet in Tel-Aviv. I want to blow a patriotic load right into your manly mouth.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not normal to think about buttfricking that much.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it is, and I salute the brave NATO soldiers dying for my right to cum in men’s butts every night.
                Diversity in sexual orientation is our biggest strength on the battlefield.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You've been spitting fax for a straight hour, sister.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Without NATO my penis would never feel the warm embrace of a man’s shitty butthole. We would be living in the dark ages of Hitler’s Germany.
                When I see those F-35s soaring through the sky I think to myself:
                “I can’t wait to ride all my boyfriend’s wieners and lick their balls and drink their cum”.
                NATO is going to frick Russia up.
                When a country is oppressing freedom, a real man steps up to the plate, bends over, and gets fricked in the ass.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well said, sister.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why let the UK in on it? what do they make today that is well engineered?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Their buttholes. A British man’s butthole is one of the tightest and most finely engineered penis gloves ever crafted.

      I was on leave in Yorkshire once and the patriotism I felt on the shaft of my penis was so inspiring I single handedly destroyed an entire encampment of Israel’s enemies myself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BAE Systems is a massive company, one of the largest defence firms in existence.

      Their buttholes. A British man’s butthole is one of the tightest and most finely engineered penis gloves ever crafted.

      I was on leave in Yorkshire once and the patriotism I felt on the shaft of my penis was so inspiring I single handedly destroyed an entire encampment of Israel’s enemies myself.

      >shitskin is doubling down

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only shitskin I have is the crust on my penis Ivan.

        Stay jealous. You will never be White.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://9animetv.to/watch/castle-in-the-sky-198?ep=79874

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