British Intel: Su-57 Felon already conducting combat operations at BVR

>tfw the much ridiculed Su-57 has probably more real combat experience and AA kills than the F-22 or F-35

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    me the cat he the fox are in society
    of us you can to trust

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F22 did bombing missions + some lame escorts, still combat experience

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wait to see downed F16s, piggys will die flying that aluminum coffin

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Su-57 Felon
    >Stealth Fighter
    >The british somehow know its operating in the Ukrainian theater
    lmao "stealth"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stealth by Russian standards
      They're doing their best; please be understanding

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        to be fair soviet air doctrine is completely at fault for this
        the doctrine was basically human wave attacks with fucking jets

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Muh doctrine
          This is your daily reminder about operation Rimon-20
          Get fucked Vatnik

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Satellites and spies exist, anon. They dont warp in and out of existence just because they're stealth. And the missiles aren't stealth and can be tracked, innit?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how much is Ratheon charging for stealth missiles

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          idk, dont radar-guided missiles always trigger a warning?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >combat experience
    >AA kills
    lol no. they're using them to lob long ranke missiles from within the russian border. there's no way they're gonna risk their handful of 57s in remotely hostile airspace, just imagine the headlines if the ukies shot one down

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That and presumably feeding sensor data to inferior aircraft.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying they'll get close enough to do that

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's it pretty embarrassing that you can't use your new jet for purpose it was made because it's main feature (stealth) is not good enough to actually be used? A B-52 could do the same thing the Su-57 is being used for right now.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PrepHoleope central

    Hahaha

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hahahaha, filthy westerners will bow down to glorious puccian stealth technology!
      >Detected by the British, in Ukraine.
      The only ones coping here are the brownies like you who still think russia is capable of being competent in anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >accusing others of "cope"
      >crowing over your five (5) "stealth" fighters flinging Kh-101s from Rostov
      Israeli F-35s have bombed Damascus airport more times than Russia has stealth fighters in total. And they actually enter Syrian airspace to do it.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no, all 4 of them?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3, one is rusting in their open-air museum

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How are all those movable surfaces and that giant targeting pod supposed to be stealthy?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >F-22
    Yes. All it did was play a small role in BTFOing Russians in Syria when they challenged a US FOB, and considering there was an artillery battery involved, an AC-130, and a B-52, the F-22 was probably mostly irrelevant to the pounding.

    >F-35
    No. Israel has been using theirs since they got them. They've been bombing Syria for a decade now, with 6,000 sorties some years. They've raped a LOT of Russian AA platforms and Syrian/Iranian targets. In this time they haven't lost one pilot, which is pretty impressive since they have been bombing with impunity, even in areas with Russian run AA.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The cope is that Russia "allows" all these strikes, but they don't even get messages out for their allies to get to cover, so that seems unlikely.

      Plus, they have given Tor, Bucks, Pantsirs, etc. Iran even bought an S-400, rebranded for cope purposes, and deployed it, and it did fuck all.

      This is not to say they are totally useless. They actually do intercept air to ground missiles fairly often, just not enough. But for targeting Israeli fighters and stealth drones they have been an abject faliure.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      F-22s were probably there just in case Syria or Russia vectored fighters/ground-attack planes for CAP/vengeance for the obliteration of their assault group.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If by combat experience you mean spam cruise missiles from the safety of of Russian airspace then sure.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all 4 of them are wreaking havoc above ukraine

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have they actually fixed the IWBs, or is the Felon still slinging pylon mounted ordinance and crossing their fingers they don't get picked up by Ukie radars? Because if it's the latter, I doubt they're being used for anything more than chucking ordinance over the Caspian sea and into residential buildings. The humiliation of losing a "stealth" fighter to a rando S-300 would be unbearable to the Kremlin and possibly fatal for Sukhoi's long term plans.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      R-37Ms are too large for internal carry.

      Still wouldnt say they are doing anything wrong. Even VLO platforms are made with BVR in mind and nobody who help it would put them into the range of enemy SAM.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It makes sense with their role. The fact that they are using an air superiority fighter to dump missiles from their airspace says more about the availability of other aircraft than the Su-57 itself. You wouldn't use an F-22 for that sort of thing either.

        BVR gets a little wonky when passives can reach out 600 miles now; I guess that is pilot visual range. The F-35 has closer distances in mind for filling the CAS role, although I don't think it's been used that much. It has shot down Iranian UAVs at visual range, but that was to confirm the identity of the signal, they were just ferrying gear to Gaza and not a threat to the fighters. I believe they've been used in some of the ground hugging air raids into Syria, although F-15s seem to still have been doing the lions share of the low altitude approach stuff there, with the F-35 using the incredibly long range of ETOS to fire from way out. The low altitude raids have hugged the terrain and I suppose it doesn't make sense to use the 35 that way.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You wouldn't use an F-22 for that sort of thing
          Isn't that exactly what F-22s have been used for? Slinging cruise missiles and glide bombs at shit from out of range of AA?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            F-22 was entirely built to swat hostile aircraft from the skies. It can both sling Fox-3s or dogfight if necessary. It wasn't designed to carry guided A-G ordinance and thus can't do this sort of thing

            Firing HARMs at AD is the job of F-35 now. Prior to F-35, even in the years when F-22 was flying, the plan was to use dedicated wild-weasel swuadrons to do SEAD

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >F-22 was entirely built to swat hostile aircraft from the skies.
              Correct, it hasn't really done that however, because previous generation aircraft are just as capable and less of a loss should they be shot down.
              >It wasn't designed to carry guided A-G ordinance and thus can't do this sort of thing
              ???
              It absolutely can and does.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Even VLO platforms are made with BVR in mind and nobody who help it would put them into the range of enemy SAM.

        Sure, but in order to deploy Kh-31 the aircraft needs to fly in about 100km from a given radar installation, which is well within the range of the S-300PM1 Ukraine uses. Aircraft such as the F-22 and F-35 are actually designed to fly well within the nominal range of air defence systems, because their VLO fuselages make detecting them next to impossible save at extremely close ranges. If the Su-57 could store ARMs internally, it would be able to fire its missiles closer to the target and with far less risk to the aircraft. But since it can only carry said missiles externally, it cannot conduct SEAD or DEAD operations without massive risk to itself.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no AA bubble over the target itself
          Who the fuck made this diagram?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Canadians in 2011. Can't you read?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there's a bunch of SHORAD around the target, surely that'll do the trick

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sure, but in order to deploy Kh-31 the aircraft needs to fly in about 100km from a given radar installation, which is well within the range of the S-300PM1 Ukraine uses.

          The S-300 cant see any aircraft that is below the radar horizon. Flying at low altitude and loft tossing the HARM missile enables any aircraft to release a signal seeking missile at rather short range against enemy radar. This is how ukies fire their HARM missiles against russian S-300. The muttmerican attempt to get around this physical limitation is trough networked sensors, where an AWACS well to the rear and very high up can spot enemy aircraft creeping up on installations this way. The russian countermove against that consists of very long range surface to air missiles that can threaten an AWACS even from several hundreds of kilometers away.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The russian countermove against that consists of very long range surface to air missiles that can threaten an AWACS even from several hundreds of kilometers away.
            Correction: the Russian countermove is to seethe impotently about NATO AWACS they can't touch feeding Ukraine targeting data for 11 months

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The humiliation of losing a "stealth" fighter to a rando S-300 would be unbearable to the Kremlin and possibly fatal for Sukhoi's long term plans.

      The speed and agility of the SU-57 greatly reduces the effective range of any SAM. Same applies to F-22, F-15 and other high altitude high speed aircraft. This is why USAF wants to replace A-10 with F-35 and give CAS from 30 000 feet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The speed and agility of the SU-57 greatly reduces the effective range of any SAM. Same applies to F-22, F-15 and other high altitude high speed aircraft.

        Fair point, but Russia has already been doing this with Su-27 variants since the beginning of the war. And although this has yielded good results (about 10% of Ukraine’s S-300 batteries have either been destroyed or disabled[1]) it has come at the cost of high attrition for the Russian Air Force[2]. My point is that while maneuverability helps, if it alone were enough to ensure safety Russia would have air superiority by now. Russia either needs large numbers of well-trained pilots or stealth aircraft to destroy Ukraine’s IADS network. And without internal ARMs/AAMS, the Su-57 helps with neither. There is nothing the plane can do in terms of SEAD or counter-air that other Russian aircraft can’t without the risk of a humiliating shootdown of their most advanced and lauded aircraft.

        [1]: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html?m=1

        [2]: https://www.key.aero/article/investigating-russias-lack-seaddead-capabilities-over-ukraine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stupid question. Presumably the Su 57 has a radar cross section the size of a barn when carrying ARMs on pylons. Does the RCS substantially decrease when the weapons are launched?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they havent been near ukraine, just hanging around astrakhan and over the caspian sea with bombers when they are active.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thats a heckin chonky fighter

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