KA 52 on mission. 83 vehicles is a juicy target. You think Ukraine would learn from the first week of the counter offensive when all their armored columns got rekt not to mass this many forces together in one area. They gonna be dead soon
How many ka52 you think Russia has? One KA52 stopped an entire column or western vehicles. I think it was about 10 vehicles destroyed by 1 KA52+arty. So they need, what, 4 KA52 to destroy half the force and cause them to route?
>Some Russian bot farms in India pay using steam/CS go skins
They what?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Some Indian shills are getting paid in CS GO skins.
If you are not into videogames, they are cosmetic weapons for a famous videogame that you can sell for a few American dollars worldwide.
Why didn't they stop them kilometres back? If Russia has this many Ka-52's and required munitions et al, why didn't they stop them 10km back, 20km back, 30km back? Why aren't Ka-52's spearheading the Russian advances? Why is Ukraine still advancing in a defensive war?
LMAO. If there's a breakthrough with 80+ vehicles that means massive SHORAD presence. Total Hokum Death gonna continue, I guess.
How many ka52 you think Russia has? One KA52 stopped an entire column or western vehicles. I think it was about 10 vehicles destroyed by 1 KA52+arty. So they need, what, 4 KA52 to destroy half the force and cause them to route?
In working condition? Less than half of what they started the war with.
Do you think Priggy's spirit would let them fly after what the Monke has done?
The machine spirits will obey their true master and shoot them all down, with the mobiks unable to stop them.
Telegram is such a surreal fucking social media platform. I have never seen such a high concentration of absolutely autistic people LARPing as tacticians or other scholarly types in my life, while there is not a single Bachelor's degree between them.
I still laugh at the irony of the boomers in the 90's warning kids of the dangers of lies on the internet just to fall for those same lies 20 years later.
Boomer nerds who created the precursor of the precursor of the internet are in no way the same of gay boomers who melt their brains with Facebook and TikTok
Nah, boomers are not what ruined the internet as boomers were the main users of the internet in the mid 90s and the internet was just fine then. What ruined the internet was when you could use it from your cellphone and thus it suddenly became something you could access from anywhere. Before, you had to actually sit down at a computer but now you could be shitposting from a coffee shop or something. Basically the internet going mainstream is what killed it because it became something even the normies could access.
I miss the late 90s/early 00s internet tbh. I still remember taking basic web design in High School in 2004 and creating a movie review page dedicated to the 3rd Matrix movie and how it was such a good movie (fuck me this is so cringe to remember now). Though that class was always memorable to me in a somber/nostalgic way because there was this nerdy glasses-wearing yet cute girl who sat next to me that I had a crush on but I could never muster the courage to talk to her outside of class.
AOL was what ruined the internet anon. We need to go back to BBSes
1 month ago
Anonymous
Eh... I still disagree. AOL definitely brought a lot of normies onto the internet, but it was still prohibitively expensive to own a computer in the mid to late 90s.
Despite being 34, I honestly don't remember too much about the internet in the mid 90s. I remember our shitty ass dialup and needing a program to access the internet, but as a kid I never used it for anything other than playing Starcraft 1 online (and raging whenever we got a phone call) or doing basic research for school. I do remember downloading my first song off Limewire though, well I remember the group but not the specific song: Gamma Ray.
1 month ago
Anonymous
AOL was a walled garden. Facebook and then Apple and the iphone is what brought in the normies. My first song from Limewire was Alien Ant Farm, Smooth Criminal
1 month ago
Anonymous
Exactly, that's my point, is that it wasn't the boomers that ruined the internet like that one dude said, it was having the internet become easily accessible to the average normie and idiot. Before, normies avoided the internet because it was still in its infancy. But once they became aware of it and allowed to access it without needing any knowledge, they ran it into the ground.
There was just something magical about that early to mid-life internet. Having to actually work to find the thing you want, having to actually wait to download the thing you want, having to be social and communicate with others over basic forums... I still remember the guy who got me into pirating stuff, he gave me a direct link to Star Wars Episode III and War of the Worlds and I left my computer on overnight to download them. I was so flabbergasted that I could just download stuff without having to pay for it. And these days I always pirate a product first and if I genuinely like it I'll purchase it to show support.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Internet access being available on a hand held device + social media did the most damage. Glad i got to experience the net culture back when it was just mostly like minded autists doing autistic stuff together.
1 month ago
Anonymous
07 is when it really god bad. iphones. all of a sudden the internet wasn't a thing you made time for and sit down in front of, it was everywhere and ubiquitous. it was no longer special.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I'd say that it already became toxic in 03+ with the Iraq war.
There was already a lot of astroturfing and shitposting back then.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>There was just something magical about that early to mid-life internet. Having to actually work to find the thing you want, having to actually wait to download the thing you want
I don't miss that part tbh. I think back to waiting an hour-plus to download something like a six megabyte Duke 3D mod, and I have no desire to go back
How many ka52 you think Russia has? One KA52 stopped an entire column or western vehicles. I think it was about 10 vehicles destroyed by 1 KA52+arty. So they need, what, 4 KA52 to destroy half the force and cause them to route?
You're booing him but he's right to at least ask why Ka-52s aren't a problem now when they clearly were before, but I suspect the true answer is fleet attrition and supply chain issues rather than Ukraine magically extending Gepard's range by 3km
1 month ago
Anonymous
Some cheeky cunt had inserted KA-52 into a endangered species list with areal set to Ukraine and western Russia.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The videos I've seen of Ka-52s successful engaging Ukrainian tanks all looked rather similar - quasi stationary targets, long range (at or near the maximum range of the guided weapon?), even terrain with lots of those tree lines between them.
I somewhat doubt that the Russians are using them as a counter to offensive actions. The risk of some small vehicle with a manpad moving (undetected) into range and at least browning the pilots pants is to high for the presumed amount of remaining air frames and their general state.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>small vehicle with a manpad moving (undetected) into range
They can't because of minefields
Pretty sure this is one of those "fake" Ukrainian attacks only reported by Russian telegrams. This morning they will report that the attack was stopped by their glorious and brave soldiers to try to cover a little the lose of roboteen yesterday.
I want to believe.
There might be something to it because Robotyne is actually on the Russian 1st line of defence and the Ukrainians did start committing units of the 2nd wave (10 corps) which were supposed to follow up on the breakthrough of the 9th corps in the 1st wave.
The first wave didn't achieve the success they anticipated tho.
Anyway, hope this is the BIG ONE.
[...] >western BMP
Many such cases.
Let me guess, also the same KA52 dropped a few hundred troops to kill Zelensky after pushing NATO back towards Central Europe?
[...] >western BMP
sus
Not the Russian moron, but BMP is just IFV in russkie.
Because someone who actually wants Ukraine to win needs to acknowledge what Russian weapons are effective and how they're countered, it's all just cheerleading in the end but you might as well be critical
1 month ago
Anonymous
moron, no. BAD moron.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I'm gonna be better than you at the inevitable Russo-Ukranian War RTS games because I'm using my thinking hat, I happen to support Ukraine on the premise that defending against an invasion of mongol baby rapists is a pretty worthy cause
1 month ago
Anonymous
>at the inevitable Russo-Ukranian War RTS
We already have combat mission Black sea though
1 month ago
Anonymous
I doubt it will happen any time soon, simply because it will be too 'raw'. I can see 5 years after the war ends (regardless of how it ends) people doing it. Possibly Ukraine if they achieve total victory (pre-2014 borders).
1 month ago
Anonymous
Bruh with footage like
[...]
it might be sooner than you think.
The instant the war ends, war diaries are going to be everywhere and footage is going to hard leak. This shit is going to be everywhere I can't wait.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah but if a non-Ukrainian nation/developer makes it first, they might say they are 'profiting off our suffering'. So it would have to be a Ukrainian dev to do it, or in conjunction with Ukraine or % of profits going to Ukraine or something just to avoid the PR shitstorm.
War diaries and shit is different, but a video game is something else that I think most developers would not touch until sufficient time as passed. But that's just my thought. Maybe CDPR will make one for shits and giggles.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Russo-Ukranian War RTS
Pretty crazy that the Ukies and Ziggers are actually using RTS team colors.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>the inevitable Russo-Ukranian War RTS games
I just wanna see Russians being eaten by Bloodsuckers in STALKER 3. Maybe we''ll see a DLC for 2.
1 month ago
Anonymous
COMBAT MISSION: BLACK SEAS
now a historical, rather than speculative title
Ignorance. Most people don't know the difference between an IFV and an APC, let alone less common terms like IMV. I mean, how many times have you heard someone call an IFV or SPG a 'tank'?
>gif
Do americans actually show three with their index, middle, and ring-fingers? Ring finger is somewhat linked to the pinky, so it's slightly more straining and therefore should come less naturally to hold up one but keep the other down. I will give you that showing four needs all fingers other than the thumb though, since then you'd be running in to the same anatomical problem as with showing three the american way.
It depends. I've seen people do it 3 different ways
Back on topic - this seems like russian bullshit. They do this every time they lose a village >Oh no massive ukie push >haha we killed them all with no casualties see we are holding strong we never wanted that village anyway
I think they are right about a push this time. The final push at/around Robotyne involved Stryker and Marders in what looked like forward positions. They are pushing now precisely to take advantage of having to reorganize forces and mine whatever exit routes were used to retreat.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Idk man. I'd love to believe it but some random telegram posts isn't good enough for me. Give me some geolocated images
1 month ago
Anonymous
https://nitter.cz/moklasen/status/1694384932871618843
Strykers at the front. I am sure I have seen one with mineroller somewhere. There was some Marder PoV (not destroyed) from Russians and one Marder stuck somewhere in a trench from Ukie perspective too. I sincerely doubt they brought those just to sit on their asses under artillery. There is no real info about how successful or big the push itself is, though.
Yep. It's to prevent the visual connotation with 'finger guns'. If you put your fore and middle finger together with your thumb out, it looks like you're making a 'gun' with your hands, which is considered aggressive or disrespectful.
It's also impossible to confuse the 'American' hand gesture with pointing, which is also considered rude in most social circumstances.
What the fuck are you talking about anon
If I raise my thumb, index, and middle finger with my ring finger and pinky down to indicate three it looks absolutely nothing like pointing or finger guns. A gun would be either my index and thumb only raised, or my index and middle finger stuck together, which in either case would not be what anyone does when indicating three. This poster is autistic and his reasoning shows it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Who the fuck thought that design was a good idea
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sponsored by Toblerone I guess.
1 month ago
Anonymous
could be to lower the center of gravity on uneven or steep rails
>be me >be 7yo >piss with bad aim and hit top of bowl, splash on toilet floor and walls >be scolded for an hour by mother >want to avoid trouble >piss in bathtub instead >no splashes, rinse after >mother hears water running >sus >busts me rinsing bath >scolds me for pissing in bath >explain I'm avoiding splashes >...
Will the next week see an uncomfortable quantity of burning vehicles of western made, or the entire front in this direction being pushed back several miles.
If Ukraine actually gets to route the ruskis up to Tavria then that will utterly collapse the Russian narrative on the offensive, so that will be fun to see.
Multiple channels are reporting this. And given how many vehicles a defeat here will produce they won't really get away with marking this as a phantom offensive that they magically defeated
Depends on how heavily the Russians mined their rear lines, if at all.
1 month ago
Anonymous
If Russia mined their rear it would have been to prevent a retreat if anything.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Didn't Priggy complain about that?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yes but he claimed it was specifically to kill Wagner troops and prevent them leaving Bakhmut. Something to screw HIM personally, rather than a general tactic by Russia. But knowing Russia, they'll send 20,000 guys to the trenches, then get the 20,000 guys behind them to mine the land between the two defensive lines. Then radio the front guys in >Oh btw there are mines behind you 🙂 No we don't have a map to get through them 🙂
Then the guys in the 2nd line think they're safe because the Ukrainians will have to fight the first line completely because they can't retreat THEN go through the minefields. The fact they do and then realise that the 3rd line has mined behind them....
1 month ago
Anonymous
If Russians mined their rears they would be denied their only pleasure in life
it is usually easier to lay more mines than to clear them. the russians were doing that the whole time behind robotnik.
and it'd explain some clips of russian vehicles hitting mines (some are their own)
Anon, the rear is mined. The ass is in the ass.
However, they could well be under 24/7 surveilance, Ukraine might be able to abuse gaps in the coverage.
Mines are cheap and plentiful in Russia. And scattering them absolutely everywhere looks good on paper and keeps the mobiks from doing dumb shit like getting drunk of off toilet wine or thinking about shooting their officers.
Expect every place the Russians were longer for a day at a time to be mined. Not finding mines is the nicer surprise.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You do have to be out in the open to do it though, with highly explosive cargo.
Mass dropping mines near the frontline seems dangerous unless you have treeline cover, limiting locations to place them, you'd probably see mines alongside positions Russians can easily walk to or behind tree lines.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You can disperse them by simply throwing them around. Or use a launcher specially build for that purpose (picrel).
And then again, mobiks are nothing that has a lot of value, if they blow themselves up while fucking around with mines send the next one.
The front is a huge area, you can't observe every single square foot of it and react to mine laying operations (given you can reach them). Best you can do most times is map out the mine fields.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Mines thrown around are easily visible via drone, but also dropping them from a truck is suicide when artillery spotters can see you.
Did the T-80 score at all in the end?
1 MRAP and then fell back
It fired like 3 times, hit trees twice then ran because infantry was advancing as were two MBTs.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The purpose of a minefield is not to be an invisible trap you run into. It's to slow down the advance or divert it to a place that is more favorable to the defender.
It simply doesn't matter if the enemy sees you lying it, at times that can even be a valid and consciously chosen tactic.
Artillery is limited in range and there are more valuable targets than some mobiks with a bunch of mines in their hands. Especially when using said artillery poses a real threat of drawing counter battery fire.
This guy is as much of a reliable source as I am.
Perhaps less, considering I don't post on Twitter. He doesn't even remember all the times Russia invented fake attacks only to "heroically defeat" them around Kharkhiv and Kherson.
Or how often western financial periodicals have posted completely fake news.
I'll believe it when I see something real. Russians always panic on telegram over the slightest imagined things, you'd think they are fighting wendigo or whatever the slav equivalent is
Imagine the Russian panicposting we could have witnessed if the internet was around when the Dogger Bank incident happened
I feel like a lot of people would have been cheering the Kamchatka on. Yes, they were completely retarded, but it was the endearing kind of retardation.
[...]
I feel like a lot of people would have been cheering the Kamchatka on. Yes, they were completely retarded, but it was the endearing kind of retardation.
Don't forget the mongol invasion
Can you just imagine the asiatic imperial seething when their invincible army gets wrecked by not 1 but 2 typhoons
Don't forget the Invincible Armada being fucked up by storms too.
Sometimes nature changes randomly human history despite all human efforts pointing to a certain result.
Hell, even operation Overlord was delayed by bad weather and could have been a disaster.
Ah, I remember that ru-jp war when russian navy thought there were japanese torpedo boats on the north fucking sea, so they blew it up and the brits chased them out
Eh, everyone does this. Journos switch from "Ukraine will capture moscow tomorrow" to "Most effective way to prostrate in front of russian overlords" all the time.
>OTOH? Fuck with the forest and you'll WISH it was a wendigo.
Hu, anybody got the pictures from last year at hand that show how the Russians were clear cutting some woods for fortifications and to sell them?
Makes me wonder how badly this spread contamination, clothing stays radioactive for a long ass time and i highly doubt they had them leave behind anything that was used there.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The picture is from near Kherson, there is no radiation to be expected.
picrel is from near Chernobyl, those guys might be thoroughly fucked.
As I understood it, they were brought back to Belarus and somewhat decontaminated. The reports about acute radiation sickness were not confirmed iirc.
1 month ago
Anonymous
what's the Russian word for HESCO?
1 month ago
Anonymous
I actually feel sorry for the poor fucks that got stuck digging trenches in the Red Forest. I wouldn't wish acute radiation poisoning on my worst enemy.
Absolutely horrific way to go.
>western BMP
Many such cases.
Let me guess, also the same KA52 dropped a few hundred troops to kill Zelensky after pushing NATO back towards Central Europe?
How likely is that ukies with western gear are pushing at night? I still think ziggers are making shit up so in the morning they can say they killed 50k ukies
>Oh my god you're scaring us, you woke me up at 3AM, have you lost your minds??
I hate Russians so fucking much and I hope this gay goes to the front to get deleted.
Just realized I cropped out the news source, but it's an actual RT article. Laughed my ass off when I saw it.
>Oh my god you're scaring us, you woke me up at 3AM, have you lost your minds??
I hate Russians so fucking much and I hope this gay goes to the front to get deleted.
>muscovite experiences 1/100th the injury of the average non muscovite >believes it to be the worst pain imaginable.
I have only one wish and that is for moscow to experience exactly the same pain and terror it has forced upon others. No more, no less. For every missile and artillery shell it has expended in chechnya, ukraine, and even elsewhere in Russia I wish it to be reflected back upon Moscow.
They fucking do this shit all the time. They level cities and terror bomb civies then act like 5 people dying in a hit on a strategic bridge used to transport troops is a billion holocausts. I've seen people go from bragging about killing kids to whining about someone saying they're happy an enemy soldier died in combat.
I can comprehend being a sadist, I can't comprehend this shit.
Gender reassignment surgery was invented/developed by a Russian. If you point this out to vatniks they go >YEAH WELL IT WASN'T GOVERNMENT MANDATED AND HE WAS PUNISHED!!!!
Why would they not try to turn Tokmak into another Bakhmut? Obviously it would be great if they just abandooned like in Kherson but where do you even retreat from there? All the way to Melitopol? Crimea?
I don't think the funny dress up catering dude was actually the secret sauce to small numbers of SOF exploiting recon by meatwave, they could replicate the strategy using regular Spetznas and BARS units or Storm Z.
I don't think it was the catering dude alone, but if they could grind their way into some gains without Wagner I feel like they would have done it somewhere.
I want to believe but I also dont want to get my hopes up, I unironically thought the Russians would crumble the moment the offensive began so I dont want to be retarded again. But I certainly hope this time the Russians are retarded enough to just drop tokmak like
says.
I think its a major railhub junction or something, and seeing how Russian military logistics are so dependent on railways and trains, if it falls then a major supply artery for a lot of forces will be closed off and less reliable methods of shipping critical supplies will have to be used.
If Ukraine liberates Tokmak and Melitopol (the next line after Tokmak and right on the coast) Russia's land bridge to Crimea is split. This is territory Putin claims to have annexed.
Realistically it's split at tokmak given they would be trying to supply everything west without rail.
Even now if Ukraine would be willing and able to reliably destroy the tracks it's split.
If the Ukrainians take Tokmak, they cut one of the two rail links between Russia and Crimea (the other being the Kerch Strait Bridge which has been attacked multiple times). Russian logistics is heavily dependent on railways, which means if Tokmak is taken (or if it comes under repeated artillery fire) it becomes much harder for Russia to hold everything to the west of there, including Crimea.
Robotyne brings Tokmak into range of normal artillery.
Novo...somethingsomething is the next village down the road that ensures that said artillery can work without too much hassle from counter battery fire.
Tokmak is a railroad hub and on maps the town looks like a fortress that's surrounded by fortifications on all sides.
Shelling the train line there (it's reachable, any other place would be fine as well) would cut off everything west of it from Russian resupply by train. There still is a highway further south, but given the state of Russian road logistics they would face some difficulties transporting everything that is needed to the front west of Tokmak/Robotyne.
Also Crimea is somewhat dependent on this rail line since the Kerch bridge is only usable at a lower intensity since it tends to moonlight as a missile interception system.
Cutting of or at least significantly constricting the supply lines at this point makes the fighting for the Russians to the west even more uncomfortable than it already is. It doesn't mean a complete rout or large cave ins along the front in the near future, but the probability for such a development increases.
I'll believe it when I see it and dump a good percentage of my wages directly into buying drones. If there's even a chance of more Crimea kino I want it.
This reads no different than spamming gibberish about French Special Forces in Mariupol, imaginary 1st GTA tank ambushes in Kharkov, or any other vantik spew dreamed up when they're huffing the last vodka fumes out of the broken bottle.
>Why does PrepHole have to ruin everything I like?
If PrepHole liking something you like ruins it for you then you should probably go back to 4chan where you feel at home.
If you're a zigger fuck off, if you're not a zigger then I apologise for making you feel that way. I really loved generation kill. Have you listened to this cover of teenage dirtbag? someone made a great edit of it with the show - the cover comes in around the 50 second mark, really please give it a watch
It's probably being blown out of proportion but I believe in the heart of the meme.
Dubs = Local Breakthrough
Trips = Strategic Breakthrough
Quads = Priggy coming back from the dead to Thunder Run Moscow to install Luka as Master of the Union State.
Russia will never recover from this senseless war of choice and territorial aggression. This is the Russo-Japanese War of the 21st century and no amount of coping on PrepHole will unfuck Russia's industry, demographics, government, or international reputation.
If he was Polish he would say "Western BWP". In Polish military language BMP = BWP. We named all BMP-1 as BWP-1.
BWP - Bojowy Wóz Piechoty (Polish)
BMP - Boyevaya Mashina Pyekhoty (Russian)
Reload with what? Reload rate rarely means anything outside of short intervals since supplies need to be moved, and in the modern day the artillery itself needs to be moved after a shot or two. You can't fire all day because your ammo isn't with you and you'd have every gun east of Kiev dialed in on you.
But isn't the point of Himars is that it has great range? Can the russians still locate a Himar deep inside Ukraine territory and target it if it remains at the same location?
It's a HVT, even if it can only be taken out with considerable effort that effort is worth it.
So yes, the Russians will try hard to locate and destroy them, even deep behind the Ukrainian lines.
Staying in the same place is not advised (shit will be flung your way) and the relaying of accurate target information (of potentially moving targets) is also a bit difficult.
They are better used to soften up targets beforehand or to attack at other places so the overall attrition and stress level along the whole front is kept up.
Reload with what? Reload rate rarely means anything outside of short intervals since supplies need to be moved, and in the modern day the artillery itself needs to be moved after a shot or two. You can't fire all day because your ammo isn't with you and you'd have every gun east of Kiev dialed in on you.
I always wondered if HIMARS vehicles will just launch their rockets, then drive to the next launch point, where there would be a fresh pod in a bush somewhere, load it, fire it, then move onwards to the next spot with a bush that has a pod hidden in it for reloading
Possible. Or the reload happens at a third, potential safer location.
Another consideration is the amount of (known) possible targets that are reachable from a launch point. The Russians somewhat learned to spread their shit around some more.
Definitely. The whole point of the hydraulic crane is that you don't need a separate reloading vehicle to be present. The ammunition truck (clip related) can preposition the rocket pods in multiple locations for the HIMARS crews to pick up at their leisure.
Sentdefender is a fucking retard who posts nonsense, so I don't think this is actually happening. Zigger telegrams jump at shadows and imagine ukrop commandos crawling out of their chimneys. However, there was a report that there was ukrainian troop movement 3KM south of robotyne, so i'll hold judgement til later.
No mission for them right now as Ukraine Navy was defeated the first week of the war. no need to be on the open ocean. If tokmak is taken that represents opportunity for a major mission. Simple as.
What are they going to shoot that they can't shoot from land? Are there some missiles that are hydrophilic and can only launch when surrounded by open waters?
>claim a massive ukie offensive >claim to have defeated that offensive and killed 10 million ukie soldiers and 500 US mercenaries and 7 NATO generals >provide no proof
??? >profit
ill believe it when i see it
Between this retard, the WW1 Kaiser, and the Hapsburgs, germanic royal families seem to have been miserable failures that always end up fucking up their countries.
>Russian sources
So basically bullshit. Massive formation of Ukrainians attacking so that later they can report their guys fucked the crests and to the cunt!!
Doubt anything is actually happening HOWEVER, one day, at a certain hour, in a precise, exact second:
> one mobik holding a trench in Zappo region will run out of mags, and stare down the barrel of a loaded Ukranian gun, because: > the other mobik in his trench is not there to cover him, because: > he had to run to the neighbouring trench to get a spare mag, because: > the Kamaz truck that was supposed to drop some ammo boxes to their trench did not show up in time that day, because: > it delivered the last of its ammo cans to another trench en route, because: > it didn't have enough ammo cans that day to deliver to all trenches on their route, because: > the local resupply point did not get its scheduled delivery the night before, because: > the main ammo hub for their region was hit a recently and could not absorb enough ammo volume in time for the nightly deliveries, because: > etc, etc...
Eventually they will break, and fall like dominoes. No one eats that many fucking HIMARS and storm shadows and still keeps supply up over time. Just have to wait
How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
The first transcontinental railroad in the US was 1,911 miles long and took six years to build. The Trans-Siberian railway built under the Tsar was 5,772 miles long and took thirteen years. That's 300-400 miles per year, all with 19th century technology. Something like an extra Mariupol - Berdyansk - Melitopol line would be under 150 miles, depending on the exact route. Why didn't Russia do that?
Because you need to suddenly have the infrastructure to support such an expedition, as well as the tools to do it. Russia doesn't have time to have guys with 1850s era tools perform land development that'll permit this, nor can they divert the resources they'd need to keep these men working.
>How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
Very? It took two months for a totally war focused USSR to do it in WW2 (and a lot of deaths). Ignoring the fact that Russia is running on fumes with maintaining its current fleet due to limited ability to repair, they're not going to want to add another line to the stress. They also don't want to risk Ukrainians sneaking into construction crews and blowing it up. Laying a new train track? Tempting target. Remember Russia has had issues with train sabotage over the last year. Adding another one would be... difficult to maintain. Finally, who is going to do it? St Petersburg and Moscow won't want to step up to do physical labour and all the minorities have been rounded up and dumped in the front.
>It took two months for a totally war focused USSR to do it in WW2 (and a lot of deaths).
But Russia completed the land bridge in late May 2022. They've had fifteen months.
In Russia's mind, Crimea is well supplied. The Kerch Bridge carries supplies and the railway along the south of Ukraine supplies it that way, plus ships and air. I don't think Russia ever expected Ukraine to blow up the Kerch bridge and keep hitting it.
pretty hard, trains aren't cars, they can't just overcome a steep hill. you need to create a fairly flat track bed. add in the fact that you're going through a planned track route over a few months and you're within himars or long range drone... and you can harass construction crews forever
The problem is not the difficulty but the time required.
If I was Russia establishing a new coastal railway would have been the first thing I did because it increases throughput and it would have been completed in time for everything to have gone wrong further north. But you know the same mistake Russia has made since day 1, assuming they were unbeatable and that they would never lose territory.
Russia assumed the Kerch bridge was untouchable, it was touched. Russia assumed the southern front was frozen, it was thawed. Even if they started now unless Ukraine stops all advances for another year it wouldn't be prepared before it too was compromised.
Rail in the 19-th century was to a way lower standard than anything modern. Rail of the 1850's (that is kept to the same as original standard) was built so that you can safely drive around 30 mph on it. Not saying that laying good rail is impossible, but it won't be a snap either just because we did a relatively poor job back then compared to what we expect now.
>How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
If they started as soon as Kherson fell and it became obvious the current situation was not just possible but likely?
doable.
If they start now?
impossible.
They even had a six month window after Kherson where Ukraine didn't have storm shadows so they would have been literally untouchable as they build the railway. But no, they didn't do shit. Six months is a tight schedule for a major military logistics rail but not impossible if you devote significant resources to it.
Russia doesn't exactly have the best track record for building railways (and they probably didn't expect the war would turn in this direction in time to accomplish such a project anyway)
>How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
Very? It took two months for a totally war focused USSR to do it in WW2 (and a lot of deaths). Ignoring the fact that Russia is running on fumes with maintaining its current fleet due to limited ability to repair, they're not going to want to add another line to the stress. They also don't want to risk Ukrainians sneaking into construction crews and blowing it up. Laying a new train track? Tempting target. Remember Russia has had issues with train sabotage over the last year. Adding another one would be... difficult to maintain. Finally, who is going to do it? St Petersburg and Moscow won't want to step up to do physical labour and all the minorities have been rounded up and dumped in the front.
>It took two months for a totally war focused USSR to do it in WW2 (and a lot of deaths).
But Russia completed the land bridge in late May 2022. They've had fifteen months.
>How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
If they started as soon as Kherson fell and it became obvious the current situation was not just possible but likely?
doable.
If they start now?
impossible.
They even had a six month window after Kherson where Ukraine didn't have storm shadows so they would have been literally untouchable as they build the railway. But no, they didn't do shit. Six months is a tight schedule for a major military logistics rail but not impossible if you devote significant resources to it.
even if this was a good idea, if you proposed it early enough for it to be achievable you'd get removed for defeatism
You don't just lay down track haphazardly. Large scale railroads take YEARS just to plan the routes. They're extremely sensitive to changes in elevation and turns, and Southern Ukraine is NOT a flat plain.
And it's not just the rail. You have to build the supporting infrastructure, as well. You need railyards, switching stations, crossings, bridges built so you can actually USE the railroad you're laying down otherwise you're just building a railroad to nowhere.
This is why most countries, even first world ones, haven't gotten around to building dedicated high speed rail lines. Because building new rail infrastructure is EXPENSIVE AS HELL.
Also high speed rail is often really not worth it economically. You need REALLY high potential usage to justify it. Places like China have built lots of vanity maglev rails that even their population makes it hard to justify. Obviously some are fine. Japan justifies the rail system because the place is long and very high population density. The UK is trying to build one I think from Scotland to London but that shit is taking ages and costing billions upon billions afaik with like a 50 year wait until it starts making a profit on the investment.
The USA could build a maglev from New York to California but even going at speed that the fastest current train goes, it'd still be like a 14hr train ride. It is just easier to get on an aircraft.
>It is just easier to get on an aircraft.
Bruh, I had a flight delayed 12 hours for a 3 hour flight because a small storm was in the area. Then it was cancelled.
Right, but storms and shit would also delay train travel. Unless the USA invests into some crazy new train design that can go super fast constantly, it won't be done. The fastest train in the world averages at like 251km per hour. So from New York to California it'd take about 18hrs. If you went MAX speed (i.e, the fastest the train has ever done and somehow kept it going the entire time) it'd take just over 9hrs to do so. But you're not going to. If you keep it going at the max operating speed (rather than the fastest it has achieved) for the entire trip it'd take over 10hrs.
So, short of a new type of train or propulsion system (that cannot be applied to aircraft) you're not going to beat an aircraft. Especially since the USA is reviving Concord so you'll be able to travel even quicker from New York to California.
HSR isn't for long distances, it's for medium distances. Planes will still dominate on cross-country flights to distances as short as the DC-Denver route, but once you start getting into shorter distances, rail *should* be faster than air travel (accounting for all the time wasted on either end of the flight). The whole northeast corridor would be the easiest place for this to work, but really it'd be able to be a better option than flying over things as far as the DC-Chicago route.
>The UK is trying to build one
It's been 20 years. It won't be finished for at least another 20 years. Every year the completion date slips another 2 years.
It's not even fast. Not even by the standards of euro high speed rail, which is relatively slow compared to the japs and chinks.
I hate our government so fucking much.
passenger high speed trains from New York to California may not make sense, but the US has plenty of areas in both coasts with the population density to make it worthwhile (like lets say Washington-Boston), just like it works in continental Europe or Japan.
LET'S RE-START THE FUCKING CLOCK >there is no offensive >there was an offensive but it failed >there is an offensive but the hohols are uselessy smashing their heads against mighty PUCCYAN wall >there is no breakthrough >the breakthrough was contained >there is no retreat >we are wisely and tactically retreating after slaughtering 6 gorillion gay gnomish nazi NATO supersoldiers(and three Boris Johnsons) >we didn't want it anyway
what is on paper does not translate to active. on paper, germany has 128 eurofighters on paper, but only 10 are running at any one time. that's germany. now apply that to russia.
So, Ukrainians finally got fed up of NATO doing armchair generalling and telling them "just put all of your gear in a single push and the whole house of cards will come down"
Of course, if it fails, NATO will say "stupid Ukrainians"
yes it does. it has a manpower problem because the 'acceptable' ethnicities to be sent to the front have been drained, Putin is left with the elites in Moscow and St Petersburg to turn to if he does another mobilisation wave (note moblisation never ended, despite Putin saying it did) which experts believe could be end of September, early October. If Putin tries to pull them, his core demographic starts to get upset. He might be able to quash the protests and get them into vans to the front, but when people start coming back with no arms, legs, missing eyes and noses then they start to upset those who avoided conscription and they go >FUCK IT MIGHT BE ME NEXT!
Russia is very 'conscription for thee, not for me'. They don't care some Buyrat or Tuvan is sent to die, they're Mongolian barbarians! But proud Muscovites? No no no!
Why do you think every war Russia or USSR has ever fought sends minorities or ethnicities that might rebel to war? Kills two birds with one stone. The Winter War was mostly Ukrainians who were sent to fight. This removed the independence and risk groups by, well, killing them.
>doesn't even know where Tokmak is located
Very convincing, very organic spampost. I am now certain that Ukraine will fall and glorious pozziya will ascend to rule the world. Again.
No.
Even the most normie of normies know that Russia is unique in the area for not sharing that same cultural and philosophical lineage as the rest of Europe.
My boomer ass parents themselves explained it to me, after getting interested in a Netflix show, as to why Russia was just so different. It never adopted Greek philosophy, never shared abrahamic ideals or agreed etiquette or approach to the value of a human life, until the 17th century or so.
And these are people entirely unrelated, and entirely disinterested in knowing anything about the war.
Russia was never affiliated with Europe in any cultural sense, outside of occasional facades of it that only started at the time of Voltaire.
>as the rest of Europe
Does anybody outside of Russia consider them part of Europe? I can kind of understand Belarus and Ukraine being considered European, since most of Belarus and Ukraine are actually Polish, and parts of Ukraine had been either Greek colonies or part of the Roman Empire or close trading partners, so both are kind of grandfathered into Europe.
Geographically the border between Europe and Asia is the Urals. Russia, being the biggest country i.r.t. area, has a smaller European part west of the Urals and a larger eastern part that's considered geographically Asian.
But that's only speaking about where on a globe those areas are. Culturally it's a bit different and somewhat more complicated.
The European Union is the only true successor state to Rome that has ever existed because it is a successor state to the Roman Republic and not that cursed empire
KA 52 on mission. 83 vehicles is a juicy target. You think Ukraine would learn from the first week of the counter offensive when all their armored columns got rekt not to mass this many forces together in one area. They gonna be dead soon
how many missiles do you think a helicopter carries
How many ka52 you think Russia has? One KA52 stopped an entire column or western vehicles. I think it was about 10 vehicles destroyed by 1 KA52+arty. So they need, what, 4 KA52 to destroy half the force and cause them to route?
do you think this massive armored column doesnt have anti aircraft weapons?
>How many ka52 you think Russia has?
n-2
If they where this effective why didn't they the stop the troops responsible for the Kiev feint and Kherson good will gesture ?
(Though They destroy a few tractors)
are shitskins really so simple minded that they think war is a game where certain X is worth Y and vice versa
Kind of
Some Russian bot farms in India pay using steam/CS go skins so they are used to videogames.
>Some Russian bot farms in India pay using steam/CS go skins
They what?
Some Indian shills are getting paid in CS GO skins.
If you are not into videogames, they are cosmetic weapons for a famous videogame that you can sell for a few American dollars worldwide.
Why didn't they stop them kilometres back? If Russia has this many Ka-52's and required munitions et al, why didn't they stop them 10km back, 20km back, 30km back? Why aren't Ka-52's spearheading the Russian advances? Why is Ukraine still advancing in a defensive war?
What KA-52s? Are there any left?
If you ask Rajesh, thousands, darkening the sky instead of hiding from MANPADS like the little hovering bitches that they are.
About 20 should still work.
LMAO. If there's a breakthrough with 80+ vehicles that means massive SHORAD presence. Total Hokum Death gonna continue, I guess.
In working condition? Less than half of what they started the war with.
you know why they call it Ka-52? because 52 is how many russia still has left
Do you think Priggy's spirit would let them fly after what the Monke has done?
The machine spirits will obey their true master and shoot them all down, with the mobiks unable to stop them.
that twitter account is infamously wrong, almost all of the time
nah this morning there was talks of a breakthrough
also ziggys are freaking out on ziggergram
>the enemy has raised a swarm of attack drones
>the sky is not visible
W-what has America been giving the Ukies?
genetically modified HATO locust swarms
Manhacks
I think we know where all the Switchblade-600s have gone...
Telegram is such a surreal fucking social media platform. I have never seen such a high concentration of absolutely autistic people LARPing as tacticians or other scholarly types in my life, while there is not a single Bachelor's degree between them.
Boomers finding the internet was one of history's most cataclysmic events
I still laugh at the irony of the boomers in the 90's warning kids of the dangers of lies on the internet just to fall for those same lies 20 years later.
guess who's created arpanet in '60, tips not zoomers kek
Boomer nerds who created the precursor of the precursor of the internet are in no way the same of gay boomers who melt their brains with Facebook and TikTok
>guess who's created arpanet in '60
Silents in their 20s and 30s?
Nah, boomers are not what ruined the internet as boomers were the main users of the internet in the mid 90s and the internet was just fine then. What ruined the internet was when you could use it from your cellphone and thus it suddenly became something you could access from anywhere. Before, you had to actually sit down at a computer but now you could be shitposting from a coffee shop or something. Basically the internet going mainstream is what killed it because it became something even the normies could access.
I miss the late 90s/early 00s internet tbh. I still remember taking basic web design in High School in 2004 and creating a movie review page dedicated to the 3rd Matrix movie and how it was such a good movie (fuck me this is so cringe to remember now). Though that class was always memorable to me in a somber/nostalgic way because there was this nerdy glasses-wearing yet cute girl who sat next to me that I had a crush on but I could never muster the courage to talk to her outside of class.
AOL was what ruined the internet anon. We need to go back to BBSes
Eh... I still disagree. AOL definitely brought a lot of normies onto the internet, but it was still prohibitively expensive to own a computer in the mid to late 90s.
Despite being 34, I honestly don't remember too much about the internet in the mid 90s. I remember our shitty ass dialup and needing a program to access the internet, but as a kid I never used it for anything other than playing Starcraft 1 online (and raging whenever we got a phone call) or doing basic research for school. I do remember downloading my first song off Limewire though, well I remember the group but not the specific song: Gamma Ray.
AOL was a walled garden. Facebook and then Apple and the iphone is what brought in the normies. My first song from Limewire was Alien Ant Farm, Smooth Criminal
Exactly, that's my point, is that it wasn't the boomers that ruined the internet like that one dude said, it was having the internet become easily accessible to the average normie and idiot. Before, normies avoided the internet because it was still in its infancy. But once they became aware of it and allowed to access it without needing any knowledge, they ran it into the ground.
There was just something magical about that early to mid-life internet. Having to actually work to find the thing you want, having to actually wait to download the thing you want, having to be social and communicate with others over basic forums... I still remember the guy who got me into pirating stuff, he gave me a direct link to Star Wars Episode III and War of the Worlds and I left my computer on overnight to download them. I was so flabbergasted that I could just download stuff without having to pay for it. And these days I always pirate a product first and if I genuinely like it I'll purchase it to show support.
Internet access being available on a hand held device + social media did the most damage. Glad i got to experience the net culture back when it was just mostly like minded autists doing autistic stuff together.
07 is when it really god bad. iphones. all of a sudden the internet wasn't a thing you made time for and sit down in front of, it was everywhere and ubiquitous. it was no longer special.
I'd say that it already became toxic in 03+ with the Iraq war.
There was already a lot of astroturfing and shitposting back then.
>There was just something magical about that early to mid-life internet. Having to actually work to find the thing you want, having to actually wait to download the thing you want
I don't miss that part tbh. I think back to waiting an hour-plus to download something like a six megabyte Duke 3D mod, and I have no desire to go back
>I still remember taking basic web design in High School in 2004
Shit, me too. Same year and everything. I completely forgot about that
I'm on a vatnik Telegram where a guy is suggesting that a few BM-30 Smerch MLRS could destroy 80% of the Ukrainian assault force
Well, we have the same gay here, see
You're booing him but he's right to at least ask why Ka-52s aren't a problem now when they clearly were before, but I suspect the true answer is fleet attrition and supply chain issues rather than Ukraine magically extending Gepard's range by 3km
Some cheeky cunt had inserted KA-52 into a endangered species list with areal set to Ukraine and western Russia.
The videos I've seen of Ka-52s successful engaging Ukrainian tanks all looked rather similar - quasi stationary targets, long range (at or near the maximum range of the guided weapon?), even terrain with lots of those tree lines between them.
I somewhat doubt that the Russians are using them as a counter to offensive actions. The risk of some small vehicle with a manpad moving (undetected) into range and at least browning the pilots pants is to high for the presumed amount of remaining air frames and their general state.
>small vehicle with a manpad moving (undetected) into range
They can't because of minefields
Pretty sure this is one of those "fake" Ukrainian attacks only reported by Russian telegrams. This morning they will report that the attack was stopped by their glorious and brave soldiers to try to cover a little the lose of roboteen yesterday.
>enemy radio interception
How do you not have signal encryption in the current year?
>How do you not have signal encryption in the current year?
Someone put the "unknown technology blyad" picture here, please.
>"Let's leave the enemies alone with his wet dreams...."
Excuse me?
>the enemy has raised a swarm of attack drones
>the sky is not visible
Then we shall drink our own piss in the shade!
>the enemy has raised a swarm of attack drones, the sky is not visible
im just imagining if this shit was literal, like enough drones to blot out the sun, thatd be so scary
"so much the better, we'll fight in the shade"
Allied bombers over Germany came close to that. And it takes a lot less to make the ground shake just by flying over.
>pray for our guys
Don't you worry, I will pray for a total zigger death later
t. Thirdie
I want to believe
>major assault at night
inb4 russian sources report all 83 pieces of armor vaporized by mighty patriotic defenders (no pics)
>In pic
>RPG dropped without a fuse
>Presented as if it was ever live in the first place
One and a half year and a single twitter screenshot with a beyond grainy image is taken at face value. At least post a webm of the video.
I want to believe.
There might be something to it because Robotyne is actually on the Russian 1st line of defence and the Ukrainians did start committing units of the 2nd wave (10 corps) which were supposed to follow up on the breakthrough of the 9th corps in the 1st wave.
The first wave didn't achieve the success they anticipated tho.
Anyway, hope this is the BIG ONE.
Don't worry the first line of defences will stop them.
>western BMP
Not the Russian moron, but BMP is just IFV in russkie.
That's the idea, vatnik outed himself. Also proved he is not from PrepHole but a cum/chug/ger.
>but BMP is just IFV in russkie
precisely the point, everyone figured out his mother tongue with that slip
Ukranians call it a "BMP Bradley" too so I don't know why you'd instantly associate it with him being a vatnik
The better question is why the fuck they're calling Stryker a BMP when it's clearly a BTR
Why would an Ukrainian shill for the Ka-52?
Because someone who actually wants Ukraine to win needs to acknowledge what Russian weapons are effective and how they're countered, it's all just cheerleading in the end but you might as well be critical
moron, no. BAD moron.
I'm gonna be better than you at the inevitable Russo-Ukranian War RTS games because I'm using my thinking hat, I happen to support Ukraine on the premise that defending against an invasion of mongol baby rapists is a pretty worthy cause
>at the inevitable Russo-Ukranian War RTS
We already have combat mission Black sea though
I doubt it will happen any time soon, simply because it will be too 'raw'. I can see 5 years after the war ends (regardless of how it ends) people doing it. Possibly Ukraine if they achieve total victory (pre-2014 borders).
Bruh with footage like
it might be sooner than you think.
The instant the war ends, war diaries are going to be everywhere and footage is going to hard leak. This shit is going to be everywhere I can't wait.
Yeah but if a non-Ukrainian nation/developer makes it first, they might say they are 'profiting off our suffering'. So it would have to be a Ukrainian dev to do it, or in conjunction with Ukraine or % of profits going to Ukraine or something just to avoid the PR shitstorm.
War diaries and shit is different, but a video game is something else that I think most developers would not touch until sufficient time as passed. But that's just my thought. Maybe CDPR will make one for shits and giggles.
>Russo-Ukranian War RTS
Pretty crazy that the Ukies and Ziggers are actually using RTS team colors.
>the inevitable Russo-Ukranian War RTS games
I just wanna see Russians being eaten by Bloodsuckers in STALKER 3. Maybe we''ll see a DLC for 2.
COMBAT MISSION: BLACK SEAS
now a historical, rather than speculative title
hopefully we get more wargame kino
Ignorance. Most people don't know the difference between an IFV and an APC, let alone less common terms like IMV. I mean, how many times have you heard someone call an IFV or SPG a 'tank'?
Perfect choice of gif
>gif
Do americans actually show three with their index, middle, and ring-fingers? Ring finger is somewhat linked to the pinky, so it's slightly more straining and therefore should come less naturally to hold up one but keep the other down. I will give you that showing four needs all fingers other than the thumb though, since then you'd be running in to the same anatomical problem as with showing three the american way.
You use your thumb to hold down the pinky.
Makes sense. I have forever associated that with the scout salute, so I thought that for some reason showing counts would have to be different.
fuck that's weird, i never even realized i was doing that
You can't see it but he's holding his thumb and pinky like this.
It depends. I've seen people do it 3 different ways
Back on topic - this seems like russian bullshit. They do this every time they lose a village
>Oh no massive ukie push
>haha we killed them all with no casualties see we are holding strong we never wanted that village anyway
I think they are right about a push this time. The final push at/around Robotyne involved Stryker and Marders in what looked like forward positions. They are pushing now precisely to take advantage of having to reorganize forces and mine whatever exit routes were used to retreat.
Idk man. I'd love to believe it but some random telegram posts isn't good enough for me. Give me some geolocated images
https://nitter.cz/moklasen/status/1694384932871618843
Strykers at the front. I am sure I have seen one with mineroller somewhere. There was some Marder PoV (not destroyed) from Russians and one Marder stuck somewhere in a trench from Ukie perspective too. I sincerely doubt they brought those just to sit on their asses under artillery. There is no real info about how successful or big the push itself is, though.
>the american way.
It's the most common way in europe too outside of germans, that's the point of the scene
I suppose nordics are just fake germans anyways.
You mean the navy that keeps losing ships (including a flag ship) to a nation without one?
What an absolutely fucking retarded thing to get hung up on, lmao
Yep. It's to prevent the visual connotation with 'finger guns'. If you put your fore and middle finger together with your thumb out, it looks like you're making a 'gun' with your hands, which is considered aggressive or disrespectful.
It's also impossible to confuse the 'American' hand gesture with pointing, which is also considered rude in most social circumstances.
What the fuck are you talking about anon
If I raise my thumb, index, and middle finger with my ring finger and pinky down to indicate three it looks absolutely nothing like pointing or finger guns. A gun would be either my index and thumb only raised, or my index and middle finger stuck together, which in either case would not be what anyone does when indicating three. This poster is autistic and his reasoning shows it.
Who the fuck thought that design was a good idea
Sponsored by Toblerone I guess.
could be to lower the center of gravity on uneven or steep rails
it's so kawai, picrel can't compete
do german men really pee sitting down
someone told me the garden gnomes tricked them into doing this post war as sissy punishment and i scoffed
they put koolaid on their lips too
>do german men really pee sitting down
Yeah, it means less piss gets splashed around at least.
t. lived with some Germans
>Not pissing into the sink.
>be me
>be 7yo
>piss with bad aim and hit top of bowl, splash on toilet floor and walls
>be scolded for an hour by mother
>want to avoid trouble
>piss in bathtub instead
>no splashes, rinse after
>mother hears water running
>sus
>busts me rinsing bath
>scolds me for pissing in bath
>explain I'm avoiding splashes
>...
>do german men really pee sitting down
yes. their toilets have this big ledge in the center that causes nasty splashes if you try to pee standing up.
There's no reason to piss standing in your own home
Osintdefender is not very trustworthy.
Please your bets gentlemen.
Will the next week see an uncomfortable quantity of burning vehicles of western made, or the entire front in this direction being pushed back several miles.
If Ukraine actually gets to route the ruskis up to Tavria then that will utterly collapse the Russian narrative on the offensive, so that will be fun to see.
Multiple channels are reporting this. And given how many vehicles a defeat here will produce they won't really get away with marking this as a phantom offensive that they magically defeated
>western BMP
Ummmmm
>western BMP
Are you ok?
oh fug
Big if true
Liveuamap reports it as true.
I'm getting hard
hard if big if true
No it doesn't. That area has been shown as "contested" for weeks
I mean it's nice but a small advance
AMOGUS?
Holy shit I looked it up and robotnik really is shaped like amogus. How the fuck did we not notice that
robytne took like a month, if they've advanced that far in a day that means zigger defense isn't holding up very well
I think it just means their second defensive line was substantially weaker and the Ukrainians noticed
Robotnik was a slow as fuck mine clear, this might be faster we don't know.
Depends on how heavily the Russians mined their rear lines, if at all.
If Russia mined their rear it would have been to prevent a retreat if anything.
Didn't Priggy complain about that?
Yes but he claimed it was specifically to kill Wagner troops and prevent them leaving Bakhmut. Something to screw HIM personally, rather than a general tactic by Russia. But knowing Russia, they'll send 20,000 guys to the trenches, then get the 20,000 guys behind them to mine the land between the two defensive lines. Then radio the front guys in
>Oh btw there are mines behind you 🙂 No we don't have a map to get through them 🙂
Then the guys in the 2nd line think they're safe because the Ukrainians will have to fight the first line completely because they can't retreat THEN go through the minefields. The fact they do and then realise that the 3rd line has mined behind them....
If Russians mined their rears they would be denied their only pleasure in life
it is usually easier to lay more mines than to clear them. the russians were doing that the whole time behind robotnik.
and it'd explain some clips of russian vehicles hitting mines (some are their own)
maybe robotyne took a month precisely so russians wouldn't mine their rear, allowing for a faster offensive, later on?
Anon, the rear is mined. The ass is in the ass.
However, they could well be under 24/7 surveilance, Ukraine might be able to abuse gaps in the coverage.
Mines are cheap and plentiful in Russia. And scattering them absolutely everywhere looks good on paper and keeps the mobiks from doing dumb shit like getting drunk of off toilet wine or thinking about shooting their officers.
Expect every place the Russians were longer for a day at a time to be mined. Not finding mines is the nicer surprise.
You do have to be out in the open to do it though, with highly explosive cargo.
Mass dropping mines near the frontline seems dangerous unless you have treeline cover, limiting locations to place them, you'd probably see mines alongside positions Russians can easily walk to or behind tree lines.
You can disperse them by simply throwing them around. Or use a launcher specially build for that purpose (picrel).
And then again, mobiks are nothing that has a lot of value, if they blow themselves up while fucking around with mines send the next one.
The front is a huge area, you can't observe every single square foot of it and react to mine laying operations (given you can reach them). Best you can do most times is map out the mine fields.
Mines thrown around are easily visible via drone, but also dropping them from a truck is suicide when artillery spotters can see you.
1 MRAP and then fell back
It fired like 3 times, hit trees twice then ran because infantry was advancing as were two MBTs.
The purpose of a minefield is not to be an invisible trap you run into. It's to slow down the advance or divert it to a place that is more favorable to the defender.
It simply doesn't matter if the enemy sees you lying it, at times that can even be a valid and consciously chosen tactic.
Artillery is limited in range and there are more valuable targets than some mobiks with a bunch of mines in their hands. Especially when using said artillery poses a real threat of drawing counter battery fire.
This guy is as much of a reliable source as I am.
Perhaps less, considering I don't post on Twitter. He doesn't even remember all the times Russia invented fake attacks only to "heroically defeat" them around Kharkhiv and Kherson.
Or how often western financial periodicals have posted completely fake news.
Isn't it like midnight there right now? Are they breaking through at night?
Reports have been they use mechanized night pushes for optics advantage, while the rooskis do have night vision it's of course low supply.
If the reports on the amount of armor is true that's the biggest push i've heard of in awhile.
posted 3 hours ago
> western BMP
Russian hands typed this
t. Ukie
I'll believe it when I see something real. Russians always panic on telegram over the slightest imagined things, you'd think they are fighting wendigo or whatever the slav equivalent is
Japanese torpedo boats.
kek read this as
>jalapeno torpedo boats
had a laugh. now off to sleep. hopefully to wake up to some good news in the morning. cheers lads. tzd.
Imagine the Russian panicposting we could have witnessed if the internet was around when the Dogger Bank incident happened
Imagine Tsushima.
I feel like a lot of people would have been cheering the Kamchatka on. Yes, they were completely retarded, but it was the endearing kind of retardation.
Don't forget the mongol invasion
Can you just imagine the asiatic imperial seething when their invincible army gets wrecked by not 1 but 2 typhoons
Don't forget the Invincible Armada being fucked up by storms too.
Sometimes nature changes randomly human history despite all human efforts pointing to a certain result.
Hell, even operation Overlord was delayed by bad weather and could have been a disaster.
>Japanese torpedo boats.
Ukraine made that figment a reality with their drone boats.
The amount of damage done by a country with no navy is just nuts.
Ah, I remember that ru-jp war when russian navy thought there were japanese torpedo boats on the north fucking sea, so they blew it up and the brits chased them out
>He doesn't know about Ukrainian black magic
i was not going to post it until i saw this
>Russians always panic on telegram
Eh, everyone does this. Journos switch from "Ukraine will capture moscow tomorrow" to "Most effective way to prostrate in front of russian overlords" all the time.
>wendigo or whatever the slav equivalent is
a hohol?
The Russian government used cossack detachments to bully serfs into submission for centuries. The fear has been genetically selected into them
>OH MY GOD IT'S BABA YAGA
>wendigo or whatever the slav equivalent is
Probably Leshy.
On one hand, actually not that hostile towards humans normally. OTOH? Fuck with the forest and you'll WISH it was a wendigo.
>OTOH? Fuck with the forest and you'll WISH it was a wendigo.
Hu, anybody got the pictures from last year at hand that show how the Russians were clear cutting some woods for fortifications and to sell them?
No, but I imagine that the Leshy tag teams with the Bloodsuckers they unleashed while digging in the Red Forrest last year.
Found it myself. picrel and some more infos: https://archive.is/4Q7bF
Makes me wonder how badly this spread contamination, clothing stays radioactive for a long ass time and i highly doubt they had them leave behind anything that was used there.
The picture is from near Kherson, there is no radiation to be expected.
picrel is from near Chernobyl, those guys might be thoroughly fucked.
As I understood it, they were brought back to Belarus and somewhat decontaminated. The reports about acute radiation sickness were not confirmed iirc.
what's the Russian word for HESCO?
I actually feel sorry for the poor fucks that got stuck digging trenches in the Red Forest. I wouldn't wish acute radiation poisoning on my worst enemy.
Absolutely horrific way to go.
This. Telegram text-only posts don't mean a thing.
>t. Pic related
>western BMP
Many such cases.
Let me guess, also the same KA52 dropped a few hundred troops to kill Zelensky after pushing NATO back towards Central Europe?
Wectern combine BMPs stand no chance against ACK-52*~~
>western BMP
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nothingburger, it's too good to be true
Tempo status?
so far only on twitter and telegram. everyone will know everything in the morning.
The ass is in the Tempo and heading to Blockbuster
How likely is that ukies with western gear are pushing at night? I still think ziggers are making shit up so in the morning they can say they killed 50k ukies
this is clearly arma 3 footage.
You fags always believe the most retarded shit.
>sentdefender
Dude literally admitted to posting shit without verifying it since he wants to post shit first lmao
No panic comrades. Our trans reinforcements are on the way to stop the Hohol nazis!
>You launch drones when people are sleeping. I got scared, jumped from the couch from this explosion. Are you insane?
Hearty kek
Just realized I cropped out the news source, but it's an actual RT article. Laughed my ass off when I saw it.
>Oh my god you're scaring us, you woke me up at 3AM, have you lost your minds??
I hate Russians so fucking much and I hope this gay goes to the front to get deleted.
>muscovite experiences 1/100th the injury of the average non muscovite
>believes it to be the worst pain imaginable.
I have only one wish and that is for moscow to experience exactly the same pain and terror it has forced upon others. No more, no less. For every missile and artillery shell it has expended in chechnya, ukraine, and even elsewhere in Russia I wish it to be reflected back upon Moscow.
They fucking do this shit all the time. They level cities and terror bomb civies then act like 5 people dying in a hit on a strategic bridge used to transport troops is a billion holocausts. I've seen people go from bragging about killing kids to whining about someone saying they're happy an enemy soldier died in combat.
I can comprehend being a sadist, I can't comprehend this shit.
Imagine every single person in Moscow being a playground bully and everything starts to make some sense.
Turns out muh globohomo chud nato army was just a projection all over
Captcha: ywnbr
Gender reassignment surgery was invented/developed by a Russian. If you point this out to vatniks they go
>YEAH WELL IT WASN'T GOVERNMENT MANDATED AND HE WAS PUNISHED!!!!
Ukrainian partisan group ATESH says situation of Russian forces is dire
>they don't seem to believe in holding Tokmak
Why would they not try to turn Tokmak into another Bakhmut? Obviously it would be great if they just abandooned like in Kherson but where do you even retreat from there? All the way to Melitopol? Crimea?
Cause there will be "Oh hi mars" on every command center, while the city is bypassed and the train line is cut.
No more Wagner
I don't think the funny dress up catering dude was actually the secret sauce to small numbers of SOF exploiting recon by meatwave, they could replicate the strategy using regular Spetznas and BARS units or Storm Z.
I don't think it was the catering dude alone, but if they could grind their way into some gains without Wagner I feel like they would have done it somewhere.
He kinda sorta was. Or rather, the secret sauce to having an at least somewhat existing amount of inter-unit coordination and aggressive spirit.
Because now Tokmak is now under Ukie fire control and the Russians don't have the barrels, shells, or radars to fight an artillery duel
>Russians don't have the barrels, shells, or radars to fight an artillery duel
Incredible how this war turned out.
They might still try. Not sure if the pic is a translation, but it sounds like just the command staff ran. The expendables still have to stay.
>giving up tokmak
no way lmfao
no way this is fucking real
I want to believe but I also dont want to get my hopes up, I unironically thought the Russians would crumble the moment the offensive began so I dont want to be retarded again. But I certainly hope this time the Russians are retarded enough to just drop tokmak like
says.
Explain the significance of this to me as a guy who knows nothing about war.
I think its a major railhub junction or something, and seeing how Russian military logistics are so dependent on railways and trains, if it falls then a major supply artery for a lot of forces will be closed off and less reliable methods of shipping critical supplies will have to be used.
If Ukraine liberates Tokmak and Melitopol (the next line after Tokmak and right on the coast) Russia's land bridge to Crimea is split. This is territory Putin claims to have annexed.
Realistically it's split at tokmak given they would be trying to supply everything west without rail.
Even now if Ukraine would be willing and able to reliably destroy the tracks it's split.
Yes, if ukies get tokmak, they'll be able to fpv drone any supply trucks driving along the azov coast. It will be a logistics nightmare
Tokmak alone will be big.
A lot of their stuff will also be in range of Crimea then once they reach the coast. The fun's just starting.
If the Ukrainians take Tokmak, they cut one of the two rail links between Russia and Crimea (the other being the Kerch Strait Bridge which has been attacked multiple times). Russian logistics is heavily dependent on railways, which means if Tokmak is taken (or if it comes under repeated artillery fire) it becomes much harder for Russia to hold everything to the west of there, including Crimea.
Robotyne brings Tokmak into range of normal artillery.
Novo...somethingsomething is the next village down the road that ensures that said artillery can work without too much hassle from counter battery fire.
Tokmak is a railroad hub and on maps the town looks like a fortress that's surrounded by fortifications on all sides.
Shelling the train line there (it's reachable, any other place would be fine as well) would cut off everything west of it from Russian resupply by train. There still is a highway further south, but given the state of Russian road logistics they would face some difficulties transporting everything that is needed to the front west of Tokmak/Robotyne.
Also Crimea is somewhat dependent on this rail line since the Kerch bridge is only usable at a lower intensity since it tends to moonlight as a missile interception system.
Cutting of or at least significantly constricting the supply lines at this point makes the fighting for the Russians to the west even more uncomfortable than it already is. It doesn't mean a complete rout or large cave ins along the front in the near future, but the probability for such a development increases.
ATESH is an equivalent to copelord.
good to know
I'll believe it when I see it and dump a good percentage of my wages directly into buying drones. If there's even a chance of more Crimea kino I want it.
Linsky's?
This reads no different than spamming gibberish about French Special Forces in Mariupol, imaginary 1st GTA tank ambushes in Kharkov, or any other vantik spew dreamed up when they're huffing the last vodka fumes out of the broken bottle.
Would this mean we will see a huge cauldron west of robotnik and tokmak when they reach the rail line? Sounds like maybe total zigger death soon.
>OSINTdefender
This guy is retarded even by Twitter standards and is a zoomzoom high school student
i smell russhit disinformation campaign
ivan from idaho oblast here
kind sirs, pls stop support ukies
No campaign, but I could see the Russians jumping at shadows and saying there is no panic
Total zigger death will come tonight anons, but only if you reply to this post with TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO
dubs confirm
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Holy Kino Peugeot
tempo tempo tempo. death to ziggers. glory to odin
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moron there is no tempo
There is not a huge attack
Just Russian lies. They always do the same shit when they lose a town.
I want to believe anon, I don't care anymore. I've been edging for the past two months and I want to see the chuggers cope
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Devs Vvlt!
Post your soundtrack for tonight
Some suggestions from me:
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I prefer to reach back to classic militaristic sountracks.
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perfect choice ngl
Cowards and poseurs.
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Why does PrepHole have to ruin everything I like?
>Why does PrepHole have to ruin everything I like?
If PrepHole liking something you like ruins it for you then you should probably go back to 4chan where you feel at home.
>If PrepHole liking something
No I can't watch that scene from GK without cringing hard now
Also what the fuck does 4chan have to do with this
Teenage dirt bag plays through my head at the bare minimum of once per day because of that damn show.
If you're a zigger fuck off, if you're not a zigger then I apologise for making you feel that way. I really loved generation kill. Have you listened to this cover of teenage dirtbag? someone made a great edit of it with the show - the cover comes in around the 50 second mark, really please give it a watch
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can you translate the wisdom of dear Sasha?
join the army
t. not lujan
Tell me that's real
PLEASE TELL ME THAT'S REAL
Google translate says something similar. Except
>Military Commissariat Local Eating
I'd eat her
I mean, she did get fucked in pretty much every way imaginable and loved it, so I guesss using her is honest advertising in a way.
rough translation but basically:
>"Sex before marriage is a sin. A woman should remain pure to enjoy the bliss of the bridal bed"
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Come on baby, papa wants to see a big huge breakthrough and maybe even a localized rout.
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i didnt want to bother because im high and its late
also i hate captchas
but dubs command it
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It's probably being blown out of proportion but I believe in the heart of the meme.
Dubs = Local Breakthrough
Trips = Strategic Breakthrough
Quads = Priggy coming back from the dead to Thunder Run Moscow to install Luka as Master of the Union State.
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morning already. no TZD? SAD
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If you are going to spam, Poopinder, at least open your vast chud collection and post a pic from it, maybe the Zelensky dance, I know you love it.
God I hope they bring out the Challenger 2
Russia will never recover from this senseless war of choice and territorial aggression. This is the Russo-Japanese War of the 21st century and no amount of coping on PrepHole will unfuck Russia's industry, demographics, government, or international reputation.
>western bmp
I know someone’s got the screen cap of Ivan forgetting his VPN
Here in Poland...
If he was Polish he would say "Western BWP". In Polish military language BMP = BWP. We named all BMP-1 as BWP-1.
BWP - Bojowy Wóz Piechoty (Polish)
BMP - Boyevaya Mashina Pyekhoty (Russian)
BMP in Bulgarian. Бoйнa мaшинa нa пeхoтaтa.
I got you, senpai.
The screencap where the guy posted a screenshot with a file name in Moscow time is even better tbh.
He immediately tried to weasel his way out by saying other places share the same timezone. Hint: he's definitely not from the Baltic nor Finland.
>other places share the same timezone
A vatnik who fled to Georgia to escape mobilisation would share that timezone.
I want to believe, but i'll wait for solid confirmations before posting tempo
83 pieces of armor just flew over my house.
I will never stop be entertained about the one traitor mayor complaining about HIMARS flying over his house.
Any anons got any good twitter threads or telegrams worth keeping an eye on? I'm willing to sacrifice my sleep for this but I gotta know where to look
Posting this video again. Oh dear.
I was in that thread.
I'm still laughing every time I'm reminded of it.
here's a better quality image
I had a good laugh, there was a lot more vatnik cope than I expected
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/423373481
>all that cope to justify their doublethink
Tourist here.
How long does it take to reload a Himars?
Theorically a Himars could spam all days missiles to support such offensive, right?
In theory pretty quickly, but they aren't meant to spam. They are meant to constantly move around so they can be tracked and hit with counterbattery.
But isn't the point of Himars is that it has great range? Can the russians still locate a Himar deep inside Ukraine territory and target it if it remains at the same location?
It's a HVT, even if it can only be taken out with considerable effort that effort is worth it.
So yes, the Russians will try hard to locate and destroy them, even deep behind the Ukrainian lines.
4-5 Minutes if everything is prepared.
Staying in the same place is not advised (shit will be flung your way) and the relaying of accurate target information (of potentially moving targets) is also a bit difficult.
They are better used to soften up targets beforehand or to attack at other places so the overall attrition and stress level along the whole front is kept up.
Reload with what? Reload rate rarely means anything outside of short intervals since supplies need to be moved, and in the modern day the artillery itself needs to be moved after a shot or two. You can't fire all day because your ammo isn't with you and you'd have every gun east of Kiev dialed in on you.
A few minutes. And the two-man crew can do it themselves.
I always wondered if HIMARS vehicles will just launch their rockets, then drive to the next launch point, where there would be a fresh pod in a bush somewhere, load it, fire it, then move onwards to the next spot with a bush that has a pod hidden in it for reloading
Possible. Or the reload happens at a third, potential safer location.
Another consideration is the amount of (known) possible targets that are reachable from a launch point. The Russians somewhat learned to spread their shit around some more.
Definitely. The whole point of the hydraulic crane is that you don't need a separate reloading vehicle to be present. The ammunition truck (clip related) can preposition the rocket pods in multiple locations for the HIMARS crews to pick up at their leisure.
Sentdefender is a fucking retard who posts nonsense, so I don't think this is actually happening. Zigger telegrams jump at shadows and imagine ukrop commandos crawling out of their chimneys. However, there was a report that there was ukrainian troop movement 3KM south of robotyne, so i'll hold judgement til later.
the netherlands has a higher church attendance rate than russia
Do you think modern naval bombardment involves broadsides or what?
The black sea fleet that is afraid to leave their ports to fight a nation with no navy?
No mission for them right now as Ukraine Navy was defeated the first week of the war. no need to be on the open ocean. If tokmak is taken that represents opportunity for a major mission. Simple as.
What are they going to shoot that they can't shoot from land? Are there some missiles that are hydrophilic and can only launch when surrounded by open waters?
The Russians can into navy like a real country, please believe!
>claim a massive ukie offensive
>claim to have defeated that offensive and killed 10 million ukie soldiers and 500 US mercenaries and 7 NATO generals
>provide no proof
???
>profit
ill believe it when i see it
One monk writing a letter to the Prince of Moscovy doesn't make Russia Rome's heir
Between this retard, the WW1 Kaiser, and the Hapsburgs, germanic royal families seem to have been miserable failures that always end up fucking up their countries.
also ruled Britain during their golden age. so win big accidentally some other shitholes that were never gonna be good
Been a lot of ukie activity on the water this last week or two, could be in preparation for scenarios exactly like this.
>Russian sources
So basically bullshit. Massive formation of Ukrainians attacking so that later they can report their guys fucked the crests and to the cunt!!
Literally nothing is happening. I wish it was.
>>take tokmak, a city on the coast
>a city on the coast
>on the coast
>coast
Yeah, 40 miles to the coast is basically waterfront property.
Doubt anything is actually happening HOWEVER, one day, at a certain hour, in a precise, exact second:
> one mobik holding a trench in Zappo region will run out of mags, and stare down the barrel of a loaded Ukranian gun, because:
> the other mobik in his trench is not there to cover him, because:
> he had to run to the neighbouring trench to get a spare mag, because:
> the Kamaz truck that was supposed to drop some ammo boxes to their trench did not show up in time that day, because:
> it delivered the last of its ammo cans to another trench en route, because:
> it didn't have enough ammo cans that day to deliver to all trenches on their route, because:
> the local resupply point did not get its scheduled delivery the night before, because:
> the main ammo hub for their region was hit a recently and could not absorb enough ammo volume in time for the nightly deliveries, because:
> etc, etc...
Eventually they will break, and fall like dominoes. No one eats that many fucking HIMARS and storm shadows and still keeps supply up over time. Just have to wait
>for want of a nail, a horseshoe was lost
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost...
For want of a nail, your mother was screwed
>ideals the west hold dear once
Tyranny and AIDS?
Wasn't russia confirmed to have the highest HIV percentage outside of africa? Kek.
At this point they might have Africa beat, especially with all the unreported cases.
they likely all survived
let it be known that no hohol has died in this entire conflict, just like in marvel
Iron Man dies.
CAAAAHMM AAAHHHNNNNN OOOOKRAAAAINE
SCORE SUM FACKIN GAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIINS
more like the skinwalkers of the west
Russia is 100% larp
>skinwalkers of the west
I wouldn't worry about it.
im not seeing this being discussed in legit channels. are you sure its real?
it isn't real - same modus operandi as usual
>tokmak, a city on the coast
thats coastal for large countries
I thought you were darmok posting for a moment.
Captain America, on the helicarrier.
155mm, its range wide
Tokmak is relevant becasue it marks the point where teh coastal raod is in range.
It's also a road hub, and taking it might make the Russians positions west of it (on the Dnipro etc.) untenable.
I think priggo getting pregnant with tungsten might be connected somehow.
>implying Russia could manufacture enough tungsten balls to fill their AA missiles with them
>implying they could make any at all
>putin executes priggy
>rus morale plummets
>ukes assault fortification
>breakthrough
one boss had to die for there to be this success
I lust for zigger death so bad
TZD soon?????
Okay, so Tokmak is an important rail hub.
How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
The first transcontinental railroad in the US was 1,911 miles long and took six years to build. The Trans-Siberian railway built under the Tsar was 5,772 miles long and took thirteen years. That's 300-400 miles per year, all with 19th century technology. Something like an extra Mariupol - Berdyansk - Melitopol line would be under 150 miles, depending on the exact route. Why didn't Russia do that?
Money was stolen. Rail was sold for scrap. Engineer reported 30 miles laid. Train goes forward, falls into ravine 5 miles in. Train sold for scrap.
Because you need to suddenly have the infrastructure to support such an expedition, as well as the tools to do it. Russia doesn't have time to have guys with 1850s era tools perform land development that'll permit this, nor can they divert the resources they'd need to keep these men working.
>How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
Very? It took two months for a totally war focused USSR to do it in WW2 (and a lot of deaths). Ignoring the fact that Russia is running on fumes with maintaining its current fleet due to limited ability to repair, they're not going to want to add another line to the stress. They also don't want to risk Ukrainians sneaking into construction crews and blowing it up. Laying a new train track? Tempting target. Remember Russia has had issues with train sabotage over the last year. Adding another one would be... difficult to maintain. Finally, who is going to do it? St Petersburg and Moscow won't want to step up to do physical labour and all the minorities have been rounded up and dumped in the front.
>It took two months for a totally war focused USSR to do it in WW2 (and a lot of deaths).
But Russia completed the land bridge in late May 2022. They've had fifteen months.
In Russia's mind, Crimea is well supplied. The Kerch Bridge carries supplies and the railway along the south of Ukraine supplies it that way, plus ships and air. I don't think Russia ever expected Ukraine to blow up the Kerch bridge and keep hitting it.
hindsight 20/20
Anon, were talking about Russia.
pretty hard, trains aren't cars, they can't just overcome a steep hill. you need to create a fairly flat track bed. add in the fact that you're going through a planned track route over a few months and you're within himars or long range drone... and you can harass construction crews forever
they didn't expect to be fighting a defensive battle for Tokmak a year ago when such decisions would need to have been taken
The problem is not the difficulty but the time required.
If I was Russia establishing a new coastal railway would have been the first thing I did because it increases throughput and it would have been completed in time for everything to have gone wrong further north. But you know the same mistake Russia has made since day 1, assuming they were unbeatable and that they would never lose territory.
Russia assumed the Kerch bridge was untouchable, it was touched. Russia assumed the southern front was frozen, it was thawed. Even if they started now unless Ukraine stops all advances for another year it wouldn't be prepared before it too was compromised.
Rail in the 19-th century was to a way lower standard than anything modern. Rail of the 1850's (that is kept to the same as original standard) was built so that you can safely drive around 30 mph on it. Not saying that laying good rail is impossible, but it won't be a snap either just because we did a relatively poor job back then compared to what we expect now.
>How fucking hard is it to just lay new, parallel rail lines far deeper in the occupied territory, like right next to the coast at worst?
If they started as soon as Kherson fell and it became obvious the current situation was not just possible but likely?
doable.
If they start now?
impossible.
They even had a six month window after Kherson where Ukraine didn't have storm shadows so they would have been literally untouchable as they build the railway. But no, they didn't do shit. Six months is a tight schedule for a major military logistics rail but not impossible if you devote significant resources to it.
Well, how helpful would it even have been to lay another line "far deeper" when there's barely any room before the sea anyway?
If you have a limited number of Mobiks available for simple manual labour I see the point in focusing on trenches and mines.
Russia doesn't exactly have the best track record for building railways (and they probably didn't expect the war would turn in this direction in time to accomplish such a project anyway)
even if this was a good idea, if you proposed it early enough for it to be achievable you'd get removed for defeatism
You don't just lay down track haphazardly. Large scale railroads take YEARS just to plan the routes. They're extremely sensitive to changes in elevation and turns, and Southern Ukraine is NOT a flat plain.
And it's not just the rail. You have to build the supporting infrastructure, as well. You need railyards, switching stations, crossings, bridges built so you can actually USE the railroad you're laying down otherwise you're just building a railroad to nowhere.
This is why most countries, even first world ones, haven't gotten around to building dedicated high speed rail lines. Because building new rail infrastructure is EXPENSIVE AS HELL.
Also high speed rail is often really not worth it economically. You need REALLY high potential usage to justify it. Places like China have built lots of vanity maglev rails that even their population makes it hard to justify. Obviously some are fine. Japan justifies the rail system because the place is long and very high population density. The UK is trying to build one I think from Scotland to London but that shit is taking ages and costing billions upon billions afaik with like a 50 year wait until it starts making a profit on the investment.
The USA could build a maglev from New York to California but even going at speed that the fastest current train goes, it'd still be like a 14hr train ride. It is just easier to get on an aircraft.
>It is just easier to get on an aircraft.
Bruh, I had a flight delayed 12 hours for a 3 hour flight because a small storm was in the area. Then it was cancelled.
Right, but storms and shit would also delay train travel. Unless the USA invests into some crazy new train design that can go super fast constantly, it won't be done. The fastest train in the world averages at like 251km per hour. So from New York to California it'd take about 18hrs. If you went MAX speed (i.e, the fastest the train has ever done and somehow kept it going the entire time) it'd take just over 9hrs to do so. But you're not going to. If you keep it going at the max operating speed (rather than the fastest it has achieved) for the entire trip it'd take over 10hrs.
So, short of a new type of train or propulsion system (that cannot be applied to aircraft) you're not going to beat an aircraft. Especially since the USA is reviving Concord so you'll be able to travel even quicker from New York to California.
HSR isn't for long distances, it's for medium distances. Planes will still dominate on cross-country flights to distances as short as the DC-Denver route, but once you start getting into shorter distances, rail *should* be faster than air travel (accounting for all the time wasted on either end of the flight). The whole northeast corridor would be the easiest place for this to work, but really it'd be able to be a better option than flying over things as far as the DC-Chicago route.
> the USA is reviving Concord
No they aren’t
>The UK is trying to build one
It's been 20 years. It won't be finished for at least another 20 years. Every year the completion date slips another 2 years.
It's not even fast. Not even by the standards of euro high speed rail, which is relatively slow compared to the japs and chinks.
I hate our government so fucking much.
passenger high speed trains from New York to California may not make sense, but the US has plenty of areas in both coasts with the population density to make it worthwhile (like lets say Washington-Boston), just like it works in continental Europe or Japan.
russian railway troops have degenerated greatly since soviet collapse
This is the one where heroic T-80 stopped the whole column? Why does it look like most of them blew to mines?
Because most of them hit mines, kek.
Did the T-80 score at all in the end?
LET'S RE-START THE FUCKING CLOCK
>there is no offensive
>there was an offensive but it failed
>there is an offensive but the hohols are uselessy smashing their heads against mighty PUCCYAN wall
>there is no breakthrough
>the breakthrough was contained
>there is no retreat
>we are wisely and tactically retreating after slaughtering 6 gorillion gay gnomish nazi NATO supersoldiers(and three Boris Johnsons)
>we didn't want it anyway
/chug/ is currently on it's real and failing repeatedly
russia has more than 200 ka-52's according to wiki
That number might be a little shaky.
not unlike actual Ka-52s
what is on paper does not translate to active. on paper, germany has 128 eurofighters on paper, but only 10 are running at any one time. that's germany. now apply that to russia.
not to forget that ~50 ka-52s were sold to egypt
Well, knowing Russia, it'll just steal them. Like it did with India's T-90's.
well egyptians got lucky, as they got delivered before r*ssia got such ideas
So, Ukrainians finally got fed up of NATO doing armchair generalling and telling them "just put all of your gear in a single push and the whole house of cards will come down"
Of course, if it fails, NATO will say "stupid Ukrainians"
So is this when I should join the fight?
i dont think russia has manpower problems
yes it does. it has a manpower problem because the 'acceptable' ethnicities to be sent to the front have been drained, Putin is left with the elites in Moscow and St Petersburg to turn to if he does another mobilisation wave (note moblisation never ended, despite Putin saying it did) which experts believe could be end of September, early October. If Putin tries to pull them, his core demographic starts to get upset. He might be able to quash the protests and get them into vans to the front, but when people start coming back with no arms, legs, missing eyes and noses then they start to upset those who avoided conscription and they go
>FUCK IT MIGHT BE ME NEXT!
Russia is very 'conscription for thee, not for me'. They don't care some Buyrat or Tuvan is sent to die, they're Mongolian barbarians! But proud Muscovites? No no no!
Why do you think every war Russia or USSR has ever fought sends minorities or ethnicities that might rebel to war? Kills two birds with one stone. The Winter War was mostly Ukrainians who were sent to fight. This removed the independence and risk groups by, well, killing them.
Yes comrade I am very demotivated upon of news that NATO western BMP is kill
dead pigers.
Yes Ivan, bring your ships into firing range please. 🙂
>doesn't even know where Tokmak is located
Very convincing, very organic spampost. I am now certain that Ukraine will fall and glorious pozziya will ascend to rule the world. Again.
No.
Even the most normie of normies know that Russia is unique in the area for not sharing that same cultural and philosophical lineage as the rest of Europe.
My boomer ass parents themselves explained it to me, after getting interested in a Netflix show, as to why Russia was just so different. It never adopted Greek philosophy, never shared abrahamic ideals or agreed etiquette or approach to the value of a human life, until the 17th century or so.
And these are people entirely unrelated, and entirely disinterested in knowing anything about the war.
Russia was never affiliated with Europe in any cultural sense, outside of occasional facades of it that only started at the time of Voltaire.
>as the rest of Europe
Does anybody outside of Russia consider them part of Europe? I can kind of understand Belarus and Ukraine being considered European, since most of Belarus and Ukraine are actually Polish, and parts of Ukraine had been either Greek colonies or part of the Roman Empire or close trading partners, so both are kind of grandfathered into Europe.
Eastern Europe, sure.
No, Europe - all flavors - stops at the Don.
Geographically the border between Europe and Asia is the Urals. Russia, being the biggest country i.r.t. area, has a smaller European part west of the Urals and a larger eastern part that's considered geographically Asian.
But that's only speaking about where on a globe those areas are. Culturally it's a bit different and somewhat more complicated.
The European Union is the only true successor state to Rome that has ever existed because it is a successor state to the Roman Republic and not that cursed empire
jwu, was it all a Russian psyop again?
Ukraine gets one fucking village and the "crimea in 3 days" retards go crazy. Setting yourselves up for disappointment. Spackers.