https://frontierindia.com/poland-cuts-us-himars-orders-for-south-korean-k239-chunmoo-rocket-launchers/
>The Polish Ministry of Defense (MON) recently revealed an ambitious proposal to acquire 500 M142 HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System) rocket launchers from the United States. However, plans have altered. Poland will acquire “just” 200 HIMARS missile launchers but 300 K239 Chunmoo rocket launchers from South Korea.
>The stated justification for the acquisition of South Korean rocket launchers is the inability of American industry to provide 500 HIMARS timely. Other plausible explanations include the Koreans’ desire to share expertise and knowledge, the relocation of manufacturing to Poland, and the Koreans’ willingness to use Polish technologies and components. In any event, Americans lack such adaptability and responsiveness.
>Try comparing the first acquisition of Polish HIMARS missile launchers. Already in 2018, Poland spent $414 million to acquire one detachment of HIMARS rocket launchers (36 rocket launchers) and two training rocket launchers. These three batteries will be supplied on the American FMTV (Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles) chassis and equipped with the American fire control system (SP) AFATDS (Advanced Field Artillery Tactical Data System). The first portion will be delivered by the end of 2023. The purchase is nonetheless portrayed as a Polish homage to the United States.
>According to Polish Armaments Agency spokesperson Krzysztof Platek, Poland will get K239 Chunmoo superstructures placed on Polish Jelcz 88 trucks and the Polish Topaz SP (combat). Seoul will offer cruise missiles with ranges between 70 and 290 kilometres and a technology transfer. In Poland, the first rocket launchers will arrive in 2023! Thus, simultaneously with the American HIMARS ordered five years ago.
Stay strong, himarsisters...
the 500 HIMARS was never a realistic plan in any way lol.
Anon but they are buying 500 rocket launchers
I was so confused about this before. 500 HIMARS launchers?? When Ukraine is holding back Russia with just 20.
Do you think Russia Military won't change it's ways in 15-20 years after making a mockery of itself?
They clearly failed to do it the last 2 times why would the 3rd be any different
kek the absolute state of this post
russia has been a fricking mockery for centuries
they have not managed to win a singular real war since napoleon and even that was more the frenchies self sabotaging since the russians still got absolutely smacked with horrible casualties as they tried to engage what was at that point a starving and freezing """army""" dressed in rags
Unironically the last time Russian army performed well was under Tzarinas. Elizabeth fricked Prussians so hard they would cease to exist if she lived few more months.
They should have learned their lesson after Chechnya, but didn't. What makes you think it's going to be any different this time?
Poland can only get so much German money
why are the asiatics suddenly a military export powerhouse? why poland?
People in this thread fail to realise a critical point. If at any point in the future, Russia manages to defeat Ukraine, or open up new fronts with another country (lol), Poland will be where the action takes place. The majority of conventional war would very likely take place in or around Poland, so it makes sense that NATO and everyone else is desperate to give Poles the gud shit. Which is why they are getting the gud shit. Does it matter if it's 200 or 500 HIMARS? no, what matters is having a frickton of GMLRS launchers. Even 100 of those, korean or otherwise, would annihilate any Russian invasion within weeks
If there is a war in Poland. The rockets will flow. NATO will supply those launchers.
Bribes
Euros do that all the time tho.
The US ifv is going to be the redback too
Where can I read more about this? I don’t believe it for a second
Oshkosh is already publicly disclosing this its effectively a certainty at this point that the M2 replacement will be the Redback
Can you link me to where you read that
Sorry if you’re not in the industry I can’t reveal specifics.
>technology transfer
>production in Poland
>polish components, polish trucks
>export powerhouse
asiatics export nothing. The CEO is the only person to benefit from it since he gets a lump of money for selling out his countries arms industry (to gamble everything away in Vegas like all asiatics do).
There is record suicide rates and unemployment in Korea. This will create 0 jobs in Korea but tons in Poland.
>There is record suicide rates and unemployment in Korea.
Maybe the women should stop cucking them so much then?
I actually encourage countries to be more like this, advanced societies should be hyper competitive with the weak and those with lesser abilities discarded like trash, only the strong deserve to survive and only the absolute strongest deserve to thrive
True. The Nazis could have achieved their superiority aims with capitalism instead of being socialist b***hes and losers like they are.
This. There’s a reason the US isn’t giving out full tech transfers and only offers domestic production for random parts not whole systems
>This will create 0 jobs in Korea but tons in Poland.
which is why it's based
You must be over 18 to post here.
Korea has no manpower for big production numbers.
Poland wants domestic production so they can pretend Poland stronk (and also for rational reasons like developing their domestic industry and building up expertise).
You have no idea how advanced SK is, they are so far ahead even the next closest countries look like thirdies compared to them
>Poland abandons HIMARS
>Poland operates 20 units with 200 more on order
Are you ok asiaticbro
>At the end of May, Poland issued the United States a Letter of Request (LoR) for the acquisition of 486 HIMARS rocket launchers. This time, the Poles requested a substantial degree of Polonization and the transfer of technology and know-how. There is currently a discussion of purchasing “just” 200 HIMARS. It is unclear what stage the discussions are at and whether or not the United States is prepared to trade technology. In any event, Koreans are unparalleled in their adaptability.
Those 200 only exist in a form of paper which doesn't have any obligation to proceed with. It's very likely that the Polish MOD will soon withdraw from the negotiation except for the first 20 that have been already paid for and completed. It was never going to make it since the US wouldn't allow it to integrate it onto its own chassis or produced locally.
Well yea the HIMARS is in demand. There’s no way the US is going to cuck itself and offer plans production and tech transfer. Get real
>the US wouldn't allow it to integrate it onto its own chassis or produced locally.
Translation: the USA saw the performasnce of the Krab and the history of the PL-1 and decided not to risk compromising NATO inter-operability by having low-quality knock-off P-MARS.
>"Just" 200 HIMARS
>OMG THEY'RE COMPLETELY ABANDONING HIMARS THEY'RE ONLY GETTING 20 OF THEM TRUST ME BRO
So basically they couldn't get enough of the actual HIMARS so they settled for an inferior bootleg product. Gotcha. Still, 200 HIMARS is a frickton.
What do you get out of shilling for asiaticistan btw? I mean, if I were shilling for a military I'd at least choose one that's won at least one war in the past few hundred years.
>completely abandoning
>Poland will acquire “just” 200 HIMARS
>the first rocket launchers will arrive in 2023! Thus, simultaneously with the American HIMARS ordered five years ago
H O W
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Burgers are a bit slow please understand
Korea is selling already produced chunmoo from their own stocks. The US has a long customer list and their own military to supply
Ok, makes sense.
Do Korea not use the chungus moo or did they make a tit too many?
korea is the 8th largest arms exporter. they mostly sell to Turkey and south east Asia.
Who are the first 5?
Based on zero facts and in no particular order, it's probably
>US
powergap
>Russia, though not much longer lmao
powergap
>China
>France/Britian/Italy/Sweden to round out the last slots
China is a massive arms manufacturer but a shockingly irrelevant arms exporter.
It actually makes me wonder what all those "AK countries" are going to do considering how Russia has dried up
China exports some to the turd world. SEA abd Mongolia buy their shit in order to curry favor from Beijing like the Thai, Burmese and Cambodian who bought chink weaponry to appease China and get gibs and tourists
That's because it's primary competition was Russia, who already had long and extensive ties with the nations that would be interested in Chinese exports. Uphill battle to break into the market plus political considerations.
>Russia, though not much longer lmao
Wouldn't the numbers only go up with how much they gave to the Ukrops?
1. US 39% share of global arms export
2. Russia 19%
3. France 11%
4. China 4.6%
5. Germany 4.5%
6. Italy 3.1%
7. UK 2.9%
8. SK 2.8%
9. Spain 2.5%
10. Israel 2.4%
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2022/07/25/the-25-largest-arms-exporting-countries-and-who-they-sell-to/5/
They are climbing very fast. They are #4 right now.
I guess fascism works.
This year they are somewhere between 2, 3 or 4. The top 4 are the US, South Korea, Russia and France, all other countries are not even close to this group.
They do, they just have no qualms about gutting their own military to make a buck
Their military strength doesn’t matter. Their dependent on the US for defense. Might as well make some money
SK standing military is about the same size of western europe combined let that sink in
No it isn’t
When you want the best you have to pay out the ass and wait in line. Sorry if that’s a foreign concept to you. There’s still a lot more HIMARS exported and on order than chunmoo. Not to mention the GMLRS is the only mass produced guided rocket in the world
Dare I say, cope?
>20 HIMARS delivered to poland after 5 years
Poland needs weapons now so 200 HIMARS + 300 Chunmoo doesn't sound bad in the end
Why are you so defensive of HIMARS, unless you are an unironic paid shill what the FRICK is wrong with you. You come into every thread doing this, this is not normal behavior.
Why is HIMARS better than Chun Moo?
because muh murica stuff is the only good and best mentality of homosexuals
>air transportable by c-130 and heavy lift helicopters meaning it can go more places
>lighter meaning it can go more places
>smaller so you can put more of them on an expeditious ship
>premier mlrs of the US, who are the only manufacturer of the GMLRS and PrSM and their production capacity is huge
>name recognition due to excellent performance in war
>>air transportable by c-130 and heavy lift helicopters meaning it can go more places
meaning it can go more places
so you can put more of them on an expeditious ship
forgot to add it have half of Chunmoo rocket payload kek
Fear not, the m270 has the same. Capacity isn’t everything or pic rel would be king
HIMARS is 7m long K239 9m. It's a slightly larger truck with twice the payload.
HIMARS is great for USA since you can fly it anywhere but in defensive role M270 or K239 make more sense. And since Poland has a good road network wheeled launcher is actually better.
Now do width and weight kek
2.9m vs 2.5m. And yes K239 is heavier but also has more wheels. They will be using roads anyways. If Russians couldn't destroy roads in Ukraine after half a year they sure as frick won't od that in Poland.
If Ukrainians can easily hide 60ton 38ft PzH's from russian air force I really doubt that slightly bigger and heavier truck matters. Especially since Poland has way more forests than Ukraine and like 4x the road density.
>posting meme weapon compilation404.jpg
Going as typical aye? The fact that the US still produces M270 completely nullifies what you just said. Also, HIMARS is a byproduct of FCS program in the early 2000s, when they still had thought making every piece of armoured vehicle air-liftable by C-130.
>when they still had thought making every piece of armoured vehicle air-liftable by C-130 was cool
>buy 500 artillery systems despite ther fact you need maybe 50 tops
>no budget for rockets left, systems will be useless after fireing once
Polish moronation is truly a thing to behold
Why don't Poles realise the importance of compatibility? Even if Chudmoo is cheaper, they won't be able to get supplied by their allies in case of a war. And then they also have 3 different MBTs and loads of other incompatible stuff.
The launcher is basically a knock-off M270. They made it precisely to be compatible with the existing M26A1 227mm rockets.
Chunmoo 227mm is compatible with the US GMLR used with HIMARS
They take the same missile containers as M142 moron bro.
they k239 have a 239mm tube system with the same guidance format as the GMLRS. extra space wont affect the rocket.
They will just buy adapters from Ali Express
It's sad how concern trolls keep getting so many (you)s on this board.
/k/ has always been the easiest board to troll. something about people here causes them to always take people's posts as honest arguments made in good faith. every single fricking thread on this board will have at least one (most likely not genuine) poster make the most moronic statement and get 20 (You)s.
>something about people here causes them to always take people's posts as honest arguments made in good faith
High IQ, majority white, from high trust/cohesion societies. Same shit with Scandinavia, they are a bunch of naive motherfrickers who always for the same reason expect people behave well.
I think the asiatics agreed to setup a factory in Poland and eventually let the Polacks produce it themselves
Yes. They're going to be integrated into Polish Jelcz vehicles.
>Poland literally names their trucks after dick stretching
wtf
something some thing small peepee (it's pronounced yelch)
What language is does it mean that in?
Serbian probably
The US is pretty reluctant to do a transfer of technology, but the Koreans will do it as part of the deal for both the launching systems and munitions Poland is interested in. All in all, pretty smart move from Poland as if VatBlack folk ape out they will be able to source munitions from both the US and Korea (in addition to their own domestic production).
Do you think we will see Chunmoo in Ukraine?
There are already rumors about Korean systems on the way through Czech republic. We'll see.
>Czech
I remember before the war Czech was one of the biggest putin supporters lol.
What?
What are you smoking? Must be some good shit.
Lmao no, the opposite.
t. Czech
I remember russian tv showed a lot of Zeman supporting putin before.
>Russian TV
Exactly.
Zeman was at most always very pragmatic politician - he never took any strong "moral" stances and always looked up more to trade benefits. Which is why he was originally for trading relationships with the west, but also Russia and China. This of course meant he is "pro-russian" for both EUcrats and Russhits - both of which have no issues with lying.
After monke sperged out, he publicly apologized and said he was mistaken about disregarding those who adviced him not to.
No, but poles might give them the 20 HIMARS they already have if chungus arrive quickly
FAKE NEWS
The HIMARS is a wonder weapon that is completely blowing up vatBlack folk, so how could Poland choose an unproven weapon instead?
you moronic?
they already bought HIMARS and will buy even more plus some Choungous
It's in the second "§" US increased prodiction of HIMARS to 100 annually. So it would take ~5years to deliver last one.
Can these systems share rockets?
Yes.
Honestly K239 is better for Poland. HIMARS is only better when you need airlift capabilities. Two launchers per truck make more sense in every other scenario. And when you have decent roads wheels make more sense than tracks.
Chunmoo can’t be slung under a heavy lift helicopter so it is severely limited in terms of mobility.
Chunmoo is cheaper than HIMARS by 40%.
Yea because it’s fat, slow, and can’t be slung.
Probably better protected too.
Not an important factor for a mlrs meant to fire from behind friendly lines. M270 is better protected than chunmoo as well
>can’t be slung
?
Only USA would do that anyways. Poland doesn't even have any heavy lift helis.
Poland doesn’t have a serious military. Being able to be slung under a heavy lift helicopter is a massive advantage
When you are invading someone. Those are defensive weapons. They don't need air lift capability at all.
Okay that’s how poland uses them. Other militaries might want to advance and take ground. It’s a massive capability that the HIMARS has over chunmoo
Did you saw himars getting litfted by helis in Ukraine? Why would Poland need that when their position is totally defensive on European map
In that case why not just ditch the wheels and make static MLRS emplacements. Take your cope back to the redback thread
Are you fricking moronic or something? Are Ukrainians flying their HIMARS around the front lines?
No but they’re a small military. Most modern militaries see the importance of logistics. You’re losing this argument
Logistic in Poland are roads homosexual. You warched too many action movies with shit being lift by big helis in murica
Only a asiatic could lean on Poland this hard. Shockingly, Poland isn’t the end all be all of military procurement
You don't airlift your MLRS in contested air space you fricking idiot. You are crying about a feature those K239 will never need.
>what are friendly lines
>what is air superiority
Yea you can fly helicopters behind friendly lines as much as you want. That’s where mlrs operates anyway
>HIMARS
>slung by helicopters
What are you smoking? Like seriously, Anon.
one choonmoo is like 2 himars.next year first delivery. nice buy. gratz
>the entire American military-industrial complex can't keep up with every other country's sudden demand for weapons to kill russians and chinks with
Tbh I found the himars shilling a bit baffling. It's literally the great value version of the MRLS, itself a weapon system from the 80s, it being presented as some sort of wunderwaffe seemed strange.
It's not so much about the system, but the ammunition it can fire, and how quickly it can reload.
The central appeal of the Ukraine conflict is that we've finally got to see the World War 3 that could have been; i.e. 1980s American tech absolutely shitting on 1970s Russian tech
We should dig up a bunch of M60 Pattons and F-14s and M16A2s to send
Sir where does it say Poland abandons HIMARS completely you stinky poo.
>US offers the best shit on the world
>but doesn't want to share the technology or license manufacturing in export markets
>asiatics offer copycats of US shit
>but will happily let you manufacture their shit in house because it makes it easier for them to peddle their shit in small european countries if they have a manufacturing/maintenance hub that's local to the region
It's above all a
>muh jobs
game.
Military is an endless drain on resources. Extracting some fiscal value from the manufacturing process is better than extracting none
Only the US military can extract profit from war by invading poor shitholes so that corporations can frick them in the ass.
Small shitholes like Poland can't, for them maintaining a capable military means throwing money into the garbage bin
>it's le cat pee poo kraut shill
Care to tell me since when did the US start offering tech transfer regarding ballistic missiles like South Korea is doing with the Chunmoo deal?
>when did the US start offering tech transfer regarding ballistic missiles like South Korea is doing with the Chunmoo
never, that was my point.
Korean missiles are also much cheaper. Raybolt is 1/4 the price of Javelin with just slightly worse capability.
>Ukraine doesn’t transport mlrs by air
>this means the capability is useless
>flying across contested airspace with a helicopter is a good idea
Here's (You).
>being able to fly your mlrs long distances is le bad
>long distances
The only helicopter that is capable of lifting HIMARS theoratically is Mi-26, not even the king stallion can lift it.
So how does that fit into the category of flexibility?
Why the frick would a country in the middle of Europe need to lift them long distance? And they are getting 20-100 HIMARS anyways.
>Poland completely abandoning HIMARS
>Poland will acquire “just” 200 HIMARS missile launchers
?
>If you can't afford M270s you deserve to be poor
-Jack Ma
>slower
>heavier
>less range
>ruins roads
M270 is better in places like Iraq. Not in Europe where you actually have roads everywhere.
The plan is to co develop 200km ER GMLRS equivalent and 500km PrSM equivalent for them too. Damn.
>K239 Czunmuzski
HAHAHAHA OHNONONONO
LOOKS LIKE POLACKS DONT HAVE ENOUGH GERMAN GIBS ANYMORE
kek the money train ends here. No way they’ll be able to afford 200 HIMARS and the US isn’t cutting the price. No refunds polebros
Do we even know anything about Korean 239mm missiles? I only hear they supposedly have larger warheads but slightly shorter range compared to US 227mm.
We know they’re ATACMS clone failed a launch last week in response to north koreas icbm testing. This speaks volumes about Korea indigenous missile tech
Not even the same missile you complete moron.
Oh your talking about the missile that’s not even in low rate initial production. Disregarded
No you fricking monkey 239mm are in use for years. It's the new 400mm and 600mm that are still in testing.
Serious question, nobody laugh.
Why don't they make the rockets rectangular? They could pack so much more fuel and explosives into rectangular rockets.
Because they wouldn't be rounds then, duh?
Because you don't want to have to deal with the complications that being square would bring to the aerodynamics of the system vs being radially symmetrical
How do you fail a missile that hasn't even entered service yet?
Here comes the cope. Yesterday you were saying this deal is never happening. Now it's incompetent crying.
I didn't see this yesterday. And my comment is real. If the US is at war the geo-encryption gets turned on.
As long as it can be supported by the developer it might be a better deal. It is @$500k less than HIMARS per unit, so buy 6 get a 7th free.
IS SK going to be able to deliver masses of them on time with high reliability?
If so then it is better to get this than wait in line for HIMARs.
That was Hyunmoo-2. Over 20 years old surplus missile.
What's interesting about this incident was among the failed missiles, there's an ATACMS provided by the US.
Whoever you buy from? Can they guarantee they will support the platform in 30 years?
That's all anyone should care about after cost. So French/British/German/Korean made goes out the window immediately.
That leaves US, Russian, or Chinese.
... Unless you get a transfer of technology and support it yourself...
Nice thing abut US made.
1. Your slavic airfield is carpet bombed by cruise missiles in surprise attack
???
Call US Ambassador and NATO. Shipment of new equipment safe and stored in Nevada or Ohio. Think of US missile mags/rocket mags as your little cloud storage.
>American Weapons Service
And then the USA turns on GPS geo-encryption so the K239 is now less capable than the worst Russian system,
I don't have a horse in this race but something about South Korea selling weapons to Poland tickles me
Honest question, why all these Polish weapon purchases causes so much drama on /k/ and there are just total pro-USA shills, pro-Korea shills or shills calling this whole deal fake and how Poland is piss poor and will have to get German gibs? Each time I look into these threads it's like mental breakdown.
t. Pollack
It's 90% vatniks.
Vatniks are extremely desperate to undermine and change people’s opinion of the war so they can sue for peace before they lose crimea now.
They are greatly exaggerating minor accomplishments and using fear mongering trying to sow division and demoralization amongst the big bad west so they stop getting hammered by NATO aid.
That’s what all the shitposting is. Honestly just sit back and enjoy it, it’s a guarantee the russians are getting truly nervous about crimea.
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>pajeet self publishing company media front
dude what the hell are you reading?
anyway what's with all the korean shilling lately? it's clearly all from the same handful of people with the same ESL quirks revealing their samegayging
>Authors But Not Expert
>Offset and stretched copyright infringement
Pottery!
Captcha: KYSPAK
>dude what the hell are you reading?
Doesn't prevent you from delivering the truth in any ways. Why are you so obsessed with the fact that it's written by an Indian instead of the actual context of the article?
now this is truly hybrid information warfare
these psy ops run deep!
anyway if your news source has boss baby telling me to self publish my homeopathy books then your mom sucs my dic hard thru my jorts
What’s with the Poles and the Kims teaming up lately? Are they planing to nuke their enemies out of orbit lately or something?
Similar situation with moronic monke neighbors I guess.
I can speculate that its safer to order from partner that doesnt have as much political leverage as US or contradictory local interests as Germans/French might. Less chance that something might get remotely switched off or be denied spare parts, etc in case of emergency, since Kims are more neutral in Europan affairs. Korean gear is also modern and competitively priced.
>t.
Its ironic, how because of this very attitude, you are going to be replaced by nepotistic Pajeets and Chinks imported as a cheap workforce by muh hypercompetitive capitalist sharks. Which results in your Randian utopia becoming a statist Mumbai-like slum, kek. No one will miss you either.
Fresh HIMARS kino
Chunmoo sees first combat
Who gives a shit?
Main battle tanks
South Korea: 520 K2s, 1511 K1s (M1 clones)
UK: 227 Challenger 2s
France: 222 Leclercs
Germany: 266 Leopard 2s
Italy: 197 Arietes
Spain: 327 Leopard 2s
Netherlands: 18 Leopard 2s
Sweden: 121 Leopard 2s
Switzerland: 380 Leopard 2s
Denmark: 44 Leopard 2s
Austria: 56 Leopard 2s
Belgium: none
SK: 2,011 main battle tanks
UK+France+Germany+Italy+Spain+Netherlands+Sweden+Austria+Switzerland+Denmark+Belgium: 1,858 main battle tanks
Tier 1 tanks: K2
Tier 2 tanks: K1, Leopard 2, Challenger 2, Leclerc
Tier 3 tanks: Ariete
A similar comparison is with other weapons
Only 260 k2 tanks have ever been produced
That’s only 20 per year
better move geopolitically. SK needs its war industries in full speed production
Why is all the Best Korea shit called Dongs and the Worst Korea shit called Moos?
Those words are just fricking weird. They are sexually euphemistic in the Japanese fetish sense.
yuro ameriboos on suicide watch
t. burger
I don’t care about the launch vehicles, how many missles are they buying?