Brazil might restart the Osorio tank program an inexpensive easily mass produced western T72 alternative as a result of Slavshit being proven non-viab...

Brazil might restart the Osorio tank program an inexpensive easily mass produced western T72 alternative as a result of Slavshit being proven non-viable. Brazil is roughly NATO aligned but can sell to anyone. This thing has tech and armor equivalent to 90s NATO stuff at less than half the price and already has modern Vickers/BAE parts natively and a German designed engine. It simply died because there was no market for such a vehicle and the cold war ended, but now there is demand for such a vehicle. Brazilian army owns the design and are looking at a Japanese autloader and Swedish parts for modernization.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meh, it will end up as just a BR tank, by the time they start production of this thing the void left out by russian crap will have already been filled by someone else

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this tbh, if anybody is going to take the "western T-72" market it's probably going to be turkey or maybe south korea, but SK seems to have some scaling issues with its production

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        In they way rheinmetall is expanding its going to be them.
        I still dont understand why we dont add a big portion of IFVs with tank turrets to our armoured groups and keep the heavy stuff in reserv.
        I mean now the tank meta will change with the next gen tanks but in the cold war there was no excuse in not adding something like the TAM to the german Army for example

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Brazil is roughly NATO aligned
      Multipolar bros...

      Whats the alternative? Leo 1's with upgrade kits? Abraham's if the US evwr stops getting stingy with them? Maybe something from the sirs or the roaches?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >will have already been filled by someone else
      Oh yeah? Who is going to supply Brazil with hundreds of tanks when US/Canada and NATO as a whole have been deindustrialized

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      By who? The only cost effective NATO tanks are just upgrades to legacy platforms. The M10 Booker is actually pretty expensive. Turkey and Korea are the prospective nations that could make cost effective western compatible tanks but the K2 is extremely expensive and Turkey hasn't demonstrated that they are actually capable of mass producing newer tanks as the Altay has a bunch of Korean parts and is still struggling to hit production goals. This thing would basically be the modern western equivalent to a WW2 Sherman instead while the rest of NATO really only makes higher spec more complicated stuff like Panthers these days.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It absolutely could be a viable cheapo western tank since the Leopard 2 has climbed in price and cheap US/French tanks aren't a thing anymore. It wasn't a low end design either. The turret on the EE-T2 Osorio was a Brazilian modified version of the Vickers MBT4 turret. The British developed this in the mid 80s as a bleeding edge design to go against the latest US and German tech. They actually mounted them on Leopard 2 hulls and planned to export them with the Germans as the Vickers MK7 but some politics got in the way. They later added Chobham panels to it and mounted it to the Challenger and that ended up becoming the Challenger 2. The design is still being expanded upon. It was open ended by design and is wide open for aftermarket modernization. The Brazilian military has kept the design in stasis and has proposed adding an autoloader and upgraded other electronics too as well as giving it a bigger German engine. Brazil is also going to get a BAE factory locally to manufacture the CV90 and the turret tech is also owned by BAE so they definitely could produce it as a cheaper export alternative to the Challenger.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >inexpensive easily mass produced
    considering it's 70% import parts from numerous countries, I somehow doubt that

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's what inexpensive mass produced means, buddy. Same reason Turkey can poop out Bayraktars so fast, they're using stock parts sources wholesale.

      https://i.imgur.com/ex7ffPJ.jpg

      It absolutely could be a viable cheapo western tank since the Leopard 2 has climbed in price and cheap US/French tanks aren't a thing anymore. It wasn't a low end design either. The turret on the EE-T2 Osorio was a Brazilian modified version of the Vickers MBT4 turret. The British developed this in the mid 80s as a bleeding edge design to go against the latest US and German tech. They actually mounted them on Leopard 2 hulls and planned to export them with the Germans as the Vickers MK7 but some politics got in the way. They later added Chobham panels to it and mounted it to the Challenger and that ended up becoming the Challenger 2. The design is still being expanded upon. It was open ended by design and is wide open for aftermarket modernization. The Brazilian military has kept the design in stasis and has proposed adding an autoloader and upgraded other electronics too as well as giving it a bigger German engine. Brazil is also going to get a BAE factory locally to manufacture the CV90 and the turret tech is also owned by BAE so they definitely could produce it as a cheaper export alternative to the Challenger.

      Osorio was a great design for the day and could be updated but it's an open question if Brazil still has/can rebuild the professional base to do heavy equipment mfging again since Engesa died. Avibras is great and Embraer makes good planes but it's not enough to fill the gap and jump to tank building

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does it use an autoloader? If yes I’m not getting in that thing I don’t it to copy all things T-72

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They might make a tank, hell, they might make a good tank, but in no way is it going to be inexpensive.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who would even buy this thing? Tanks like that are only useful for full fledged combined arms mechanized offensives, which is out of reach/uneconomical for all of South America, SEA, & Africa.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Arabs and eastern yurop/turkiye

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >South America, SEA

      Nonsense. Many of these forces have combined arms maneuver forces.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    LATAM mil-nationalism is always funny to me, especially surrounding the Osorio. Hues claim this was somehow better than the M1 and at, remind me, less than half the price? But the project ended up going nowhere. No one ever discusses the very real vulnerabilities of the tank, it's just wunderwaffe for favela monkeys to claim they were great once.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So, you interacted with "proud white" hues at pol, eh?

      It was kinda a funny experience, but now I understand why there is so much animosity towards them despite not being particularly representative of the latam migrant waves.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Brazil might restard the Osório

    No it won't, i know what you saw and what they're doing is just refurbishing the first Osório prototype so they'll put in their new tank museum. They already refurbished the 2nd prototype too.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would this be a better alternative? Not sure the cost per vehicle but no doubt should be cheaper than buying an Abrams

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Problem: How many will Brazil buy?
      Let's assume the US does what they historically do and sell them for a decent price per unit. If Brazil buys only a few dozen the price per unit will be through the fricking roof.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Third world countries seem to like light platforms (For instance, Leo1, TAM, Sabrah), haven't read up on the booker but if they can fit APS and anti-drone capabilities, i can see it being viable.
      Would work for countries with mountains and/or jungles (Peru, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil).
      Brazil would probably throw a fit if they aren't allowed to make it locally.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It will come with the same bells and whistles as any American hardware so it's not viable for third world shitholes.

      Third world countries only want to buy the tank and spare parts if they can afford it, they don't want American/Yuro meddling, globohomosexual and human rights.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        so just gulaghomo, unsafe drinking water and repression in all aspects of life?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          does Russia actually make you accept any ideological conditions before they let you buy T-72s

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            as a matter of fact yes, they enslaved all of central and eastern europe under the godless ideology of bolshevism for 50 years.
            Stop being a contrarian. Get your life sorted out.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              fricking mindbroken non-reply

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >mindbroken
                hilarious that you call me that when you're more focused on trannies and gays than living conditions, the ability to protest your government's actions, own guns, etc
                you have been mindrotted until you defend actual enemies of not only your country, but yourself. These people hate you and want you dead, and would gladly take everything from you, including what you hold dear, to see that done.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I asked "what ideological conditions does Russia impose before they let you buy T-72s" and you started spamming gore dude

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Alignment with them and their gulaghomosexual state and de facto subservience to russian foreign policy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All right.
                I guess India's low hanging fruit, so is Iran and Iraq somehow stocking up simultaneously while at war with each other
                Was Finland "aligned with the gulaghomosexual state and subservient to Russian foreign policy" when they bought three battalions of them?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Was Finland "aligned with the gulaghomosexual state and subservient to Russian foreign policy" when they bought three battalions of them?

                Yes? That's the entire reason they ran Soviet gear when they also had access to western markets, as a form of appeasement.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Finlandization was a thing for a long time

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        At least the homos in the west ask permission first lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >brazil
        >doesn't want globohomo
        Brazil has more trannies per capita than any other country

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty sure Thailand still beats it in that department. Also, all Brazilian mtf sound like gay men. They might look good, but sounding like the Chameleon brothers makes the dick shrivel up.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Brazil is roughly NATO
    Brazil is Brazil aligned

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      whos the tomboy? she's just my type.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The US has designated Brazil as a major non-NATO ally

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >inexpensive easily mass produced western T72 alternative

    Already exists, its called the Leopard 2

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Brazil might restart the Osorio tank program an inexpensive easily mass produced western T72 alternative as a result of Slavshit being proven non-viable.
    No we won't. There's absolutely zero chances of this happening since nobody fricking knows where the engineering plans for the tank are.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shame, it was kinda based. Also, can you Black folk export those Sig 550 clones you make to burgerland?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Brazil might restart
    doubtful

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who is going to produce it? Brazilian army may uave the design but the company that designed it and wanted to manufacture it went out of business when they failed to secure any contracts. Where is the tooling going to come from? This thing only existed as a couple of prototypes for testing. I would love to see it, but this is wishful thinking.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but this is wishful thinking.
      Nah, anon, it's worse than that. OP is straight up schizo. There are zero chances of this ever happening. All of the engineers who worked on the Osorio are either dead or retired, the best we can manufacture in this day and age are Guarani II APCs.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As far as sensible stop-gap Sovshit armor Ukes already know how to use, give them the money for 300 and aim for 500 inside 2 years.

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