A new Bradley Linebacker configuration has been proposed by BAE.
Sneed it for feed it?
>Let’s review the changes. Or the changes beyond the regular M2A4 set. The gun has been switched out from the 25x137mm M242 Bushmaster cannon to the 30x113mm M230LF cannon. This provides an airburst fuse option. There are plenty of airburst-capable 30mm rounds, but none in the 25mm caliber. At least not for autocannons.
>The quadpack Stinger launcher has returned. Other options available include a twin AGM-114 Hellfire launcher or a twin AIM-9X launcher. And yes, the AGM-114 can be used in an antiair role; it’s simply a matter of pointing the laser or radar guidance at the airborne target. The twin AGM-114 launcher can be seen at the right of the second photo.
>We can also see that this vehicle now has its own radar. These are the four round drums on the corners of the turret. This new Bradley will be able to acquire aerial targets on its own. The radars are configured to handle both search and fire control duties. In addition, the new Linebacker 2 can be connected into an air defense network for target cueing.
>Finally, we can see a really tall new array of stuff mounted on top of the turret. This is the British Anti UAV Defense System (AUDS). It combines an additional radar optimized for detecting very small targets, an electro-optical system for observation and identification of said targets, and a directional RF jammer for downing UAVs. Additionally, the 30mm airburst rounds should also be very effective against drones.
Looks good. Give it to the SHORAD guys in ABCTs and call it a day.
Its good but how about a 20mm minigun variant?
30mm is the practical minimum for proximity fuses
Genuine question: are plastic drones capable of triggering proximity fuses?
Don't know. You can use trench-sweeper tech to set range though.
I guess the follow-up to this is if you would be able to stuff enough of anything into, say 12.7 or 50 to make air burst worth it, even if it could be programed.
>12.7 or 50
those are the same measurement
nobody's going lower than 25mm for that sort of thing, and the 25mm in the xm-25 was considered a little anemic for reliable anti-infantry work
Kek you are fuckin retarded. Proximity means it blows up ata certain distance. It’s flak with a laser rangefinder and smart ammo
You are the actual retard. Proximity means it detonated when it gets within a certain proximity of the target. You are describing airburst rounds set to detonate at a certain range
> A micro-transmitter in the proximity fuse within the shell uses the shell's body as an antenna and emits a continuous radio wave. As the shell approaches a reflecting object, the wave bouncing back triggers the detonation when it signals having reached an optimal distance from the target.
>Not DE
This is going to look old fashioned in about 5 years
Bad weather fucks you.
Not an issue for this anti UAV anti munition work. But you’re right that it’s a flaw that means lasers will always be a countermeasure.
Are high energy microwaves also fucked by rain?
Nah one of the nice things about HPM weapons is they don't at get fucked over by weather. They also are not precise and have lower range as a trade off.
Atmospheric diffusion is a bitch but I know the USAF/USSF is favouring them for a deniable “throttlable” LEO/Deep Space weapon, since it can degrade damage disrupt or destroy targets of a perhaps not precisely military nature with a high degree of deniability
Better to have variety in options than all eggs in one basket on something this essential on the future battlefield.
Should have called it
>Anti UAV Tracking and Interception System, Mounted
hideous
>exactly what's needed at this time
>hideous
Never change.
I love how you can stick ASEA radars on anything now
Can't really, RPS-42 is $2 mil a set; it just winds up on a demonstrator for everything.
Isn't the Bradley being replaced? What are the odds they put this stuff on the new chassis?
Reasonably good since the AMPV will probably supply a tactical level AA option for tracked units. IMO this is the backup choice if other contracts fall through.
could always sell that upgrade to thirdies afterwards
Gepards performance in Ukraine has shown that good SPAAGs still have a use
It takes a long time for a weapons system to be fully phased out. The U.S. is still using HMMWV despite replacing them with MAXXPROS and the new vehicle JLTV vehicle. So making a few upgrades while phasing them out may not be a bad idea.
Given the program for a Bradley replacement is in the stage where the US Army organizes the requirements for the program, the Bradley will be around by 2035 at the earliest.
The US Army hasn't replaced the Humvee at all, only the armored humvee versions. The regular unarmored humvee is being used and issued in the same way it was meant to be in the 1980s.
Th U.S. is starting to phase out the HMMWV with the JLTV. The JLTV is the successor for the HMMWV.
No, you may ignore what I typed but that doesn't make it not true.
>Isn't the Bradley being replaced? What are the odds they put this stuff on the new chassis?
When you think about how long the M113 stuck around I think it's a safe bet that anything like this would be in use for quite a while.
You can stick the same shit on a M113 or BTR-80. The problem is that the powerpack has to be upgraded and a generator must be integrated, which is actually a large retrofit.
Ignore everyone else that replied to your post. They’re tourist retards.
The actual answer is 0 because it’s been rejected and a similar system, the M-SHORAD based on the Stryker, is already in active service.
This happened in 2020.
Stop posting one-off prototypes from the 2010s and pretending it’s some upcoming super project.
Fucking retards kys
The is the future of all vehicles.
If it cant rape aircraft from 6 miles away I dont want it.
thats a sweet looking setup
looks like a real kludge
tired of all these halfway steps, i want my aesa everything automatic mesh networking any sensor any shooter technodildo bullshit already
If it makes you feel better the DoD feels the same way. Weapons talking to weapons, brother
>another bandaid for the IFV boo-boo
Just have 1 and 7 operate together?
Congratulations, you've just invalidated the entire purpose of IFVs.
APCs only served alongside tanks in US mech divisions up until the 80s, when the brad replaced them
so armored brigades now use mixtures of IFVs and MBTs
the APC still exists, but as the 8x8 stryker, which is used as a standalone unit rather than as support for armor
in an armored division, the strykers are used as infantry who are fast enough to keep up while the M2 bradleys are the ones who support the MBTs
Except 7 can still put out some firepower if it needs to split off from 1?
>Just have 1 and 7 operate together?
I think the problem is what if the enemy has the same bright idea, but decides to do it with IFV's operating with their tanks instead of APCs? Sure he has fewer infantry dismounts, but he also has a lot more armored vehicles that don't have to immediately flee or bail upon seeing an AFV.
Just make a slower tank
The bongs were right all along
The author of that picture managed to keep not getting it even after spending the time to draw it in front of himsel.
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>30x113mm M230LF cannon
>low velocity
>200 RPM
Honestly pathetic, but I doubt they expect this to sell in the first place.
Just buy boxer skyranger.
The gun is likely to be dedicated to anti UAS. I think the Stryker variant MShorad already solves the issue BAE is looking at. If it’s a problem of armor to get AA assets closer to the front then just plop the already developed turret from the Stryker into the AMPV.
There are so many DE SHORAD systems under development right now. I don’t hate this proposal but it feels a bit like standing still right before everyone else starts sprinting
As much as I hate the Germans, I have to agree. The Boxer Skyranger 30 has actually been designed from the ground up for this role and doesn't look like a Borg Christmas tree.
>The gun has been switched out from the 25x137mm M242 Bushmaster cannon to the 30x113mm M230LF cannon.
They're putting these motherfuckers on everything these days. Can't say I hate it.
It's a good idea but it's not really the true full-velocity autocannon you'd want for AA. It's more of a combination replacing M2+Mk19.
It's a drone-swatter. Against anything large, you'd be using missiles. That said, I'm a little surprised that APKWS2 isn't listed an an option for anti-drone.
Longer-term, of course, laser cannons will take over as the primary short-range AA weapon.
>new
At least 4 years old
mogged
will they sell to civilians
i have a drone problem
Wait is that a coax MG on it?
At least there is a vague reasoning behind it, some things with coaxs are downright illogical case in point: Chunama-D has a 7.62 coax.
Exactly what will you be shooting that 7.62 at that you wouldn't rather be shooting at with the twin 14.5mms?
protesters
at least when the local governor's brother doesn't own a sewer cleaning/restaurant chain
God, I love the nork approach to organic air defence of just, strapping a MANPADS to the roof of every vehicle.
Why did they mount a 1911 in a turret?
Brazil is considering mounting that gun on a CV90 right now. Can be used for fire support or AA duties.
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>bae
what a stupid name
British Aerospace.
What’s the advantage of using a Hellfire over a Stinger for AA work?
I assume the warhead in a hellfire has a bit more oomph, also versatility.
Shorter range, but much larger warhead. Also provides a degree of self-defense against ground targets. Oh, and it's completely resistant to IR countermeasures.
Nice at swatting drones I guess but I want a big fucking GAU-8 on a tank or a similar manly man's SPAAG.
Admittedly 35mm AHEAD is probably better though.
>Admittedly 35mm AHEAD is probably better though.
Rheinmetall had to go down a notch in order to lighten the turret and make room for AA missiles. The 35 mm version only comes with a gun.
The 30 mm version lobs the same 152 tungsten pellets, though at a range 1 km shorter.
>posting a Bradley SHORAD concept vehicle from 2017
>Army picked the Stryker as its M-SHORAD platform
>Bradley upgrade plans got scrapped because of the XM30
OP is a retard, point at him an laugh
how tall can they build this bad boy
soon it will be like a hill looking into 10th floors as it stately moves through a city
Looks fucking dorky
Just integrate that Christmas tree on top into a single box,
In fact, combine it with The commanders independent sight so it doesn’t look like a Christmas tree
>no revolver cannon
disappoinment
Rotary cannons and revolver cannons are fine for being used occasionally - on a mission, shoot then return to base for a full strip and clean. They are dogshit for something that has to sit in the field and be used reguarly and intermittently.
The more moving parts and systems you add the more maintanace you have to do.
feed it
Somehow I don't think it will work even a fraction as well as that pic
>There are plenty of airburst-capable 30mm rounds, but none in the 25mm caliber.
Why not?
It might be harder to make it this tiny. (I think the issue is blast is too small to halt the forward momentum of the projectile making the explosion a cone-like instead of a spheroid).
I am by no means an expert and I didn’t do the calculations myself.
no particular reason at all my friend
smart fuses are pretty bulky and π*r^2*h is a very unkind ratio when you start shrinking r
This, you have pretty hard limits regarding what tech you can put in a shell.
30 mm is the lowest you can economically go for pre-programmed flak, and 50 is the same for active-guided.
I Have such a boner right now
Does anyone have the footage of the hellfire killing a target drone in AA testing?
>The gun has been switched out from the 25x137mm M242 Bushmaster cannon to the 30x113mm M230LF cannon.
Why not go for Bushmaster in 30x173mm?
>SHORAD
Speak english!
SHOrt Range Air Defense.
whats the point of this when SLAMRAAM is a thing
I'm not very impressed by this weird Bradley conversation but shooting down every drone with a SLAMRAAM is pretty unfeasible.
First of all AMRAAM missiles are quite a bit more expensive than Stingers or Sidewinders and that thing isn't exactly capable shooting missiles within seconds of stopping. You know it has separate launch units, radars and command posts. It is area defense missile system. Also SLAMRAAM isn't really a thing. That program was cancelled. US military purchased relatively small number of NASAMS as stopgap before SLAMRAAM proper was axed more than decade ago, which makes it even funnier for all the wrong reasons. NASAMS in US service is used to protect select high value targets like Washington DC and where ever president visits and they don't want to have constant combat air patrol going on in area. For US military is cheaper and more mobile alternative to Patriot. NASAMS uses almost entirely US made hardware, missiles and radar, but system integration and software is Norwegian. Only thing that survived the cancellation SLAMRAAM is light weight high mobility launch unit based on humvee.
We all desperately need to move away from muttish dogshit and hardware and losing wars and get back to winning
Good, slap even more shit on it. Fuck you Col Burton you hack, the Bradley has been vindicated and minimalist gayry proven wrong
*gets taken out by a $40 drone piloted by a drunk 65 year old russian conscript*
heh, nohing personel kiddo
It has an anti drone radar and zapper, fucking read idiot
*gets taken out by a $10 soviet anti tank mine from the 50s*
Heh, nothing personell kiddo
>>*gets taken out by a $10 soviet anti tank mine from the 50s*
what's it doing on point on the frontline? retard
>Expecting the people forced to fight wars with 4 dollar soviet surplus bakelite spoons to also possess the ability to read
Why are you talking about BMPs?
Rejected in favor of Stryker shorad
Stryker shorad already in Ukraine since last year
Everyone in this thread who replied seriously is a newfag tourist idiot
I feel like it is far more practical to put gun based shorad on a JLTV. Should be a platoon level asset with atleast 3 per maneuver company. We have seen how cheap drone based intelligence has drastically changed the game in Ukraine. A cheap way to deal with the threat (30mm chain gun) is vital to ensure maneuver company's and actually maneuver. Also the drone name snuff porn is not something I wish to see happen to actual humans.
You know what would be cool? If they could mount that R9X Hellfire to it.
It wouldn’t be effective, but it’d be cool