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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    SMGs in general are obsolescent, and manufacturers are gays and only do rifle scale downs. Only BP SMGs I know are the 9mm AUG and the weird Tavor one.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      By your logic, tilting lock pistols are obsolete. Smgs have always been a niche item. They have their purpose, and it well we peaked at the mp5sd. Not obsolete, they have their use cases. Internal pistol magazines are obsolete, black powder is obsolete. By your logic iron sights are obsolete. Shut the frick up.

      That being said. I have ideas for making a more compact bullpup. Which would work in a 9mm or 10mm setting. Bullpups aren't quite obsolete yet, they have their use cases.

      >Inb4 reddit spacing, frick you newbie Black person

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        .350 Legend has pretty much destroyed the 10mm long gun concept. You can only make a bullpup down to 15" OAL before most people physically can't hold it. That allows for 9" of barrel, where .350L is getting 1200 ft lbs. 10mm caps out somewhere around 800 ft lbs, even in 16" barrels. .350L gives you better capacity and superior projectile designs at similar weights with universally better ballistics.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >.350 Legend
          no military will ever utilize a cartridge designed for whitetail, especially when that cartridge benefits from artificially high adoption. its okay that you bought a rifle in it, but you don't have to cope this hard.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >no military will ever utilize a cartridge designed for whitetail
            Sure, but who's to say they won't use 9x40mm SSC (Super Short Carbine)? The concept of an intermediate 9mm straight wall cartridge has already proven itself to be exceptional in a short barrel.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        nta, but I'd agree improved sbr rounds like 300bo have significantly shrunk the niche of SMGs, like, even more then they already were. When you really think through the usage, it's kinda hard to think of a situation where you'd both want a bigger weapon then a handgun, but not a rifle round even if it's a subsonic one. There is kind of a floor OAL, then an awkward mostly worthless middle between that and full size handguns. But that floor OAL is big enough to accommodate a 9-12" barrel with a bullpup, and in turn that's plenty of barrel length to take advantage of something with much better capabilities then any hg cartridge. For civilians, the main argument for PCCs boils down to ammo cost, or more subjectively just fun. Neither is relevant to military or even lea.

        It's not impossible to theorycraft places SMGs remain useful, but it's gotten much harder. And in turn arguably too hard to justify it being worth creating new guns, like, we've already got the P90 or MP5/MP7 or whatever, there are solid SMG options. If you're going to invest in improving stuff in 2024 though not sure that's an area that is worth it.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          If you're running only subs, 300 is pointless since 45 exists.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >nta, but I'd agree improved sbr rounds like 300bo have significantly shrunk the niche of SMGs, like, even more then they already were. When you really think through the usage, it's kinda hard to think of a situation where you'd both want a bigger weapon then a handgun, but not a rifle round even if it's a subsonic one.
          I get where you're coming from. However, I'm not so sure if a .300blk subsonic is significantly more lethal than, say, a 147gr 9mm or 230gr .45 out of a 5-9" barrel SMG. IMO the SMG conceptually is the ideal HD gun- large capacity, compact, still small even with a can, and doesn't require muzzle management to get through a doorway, and burst/auto settings for rounding a corner right into Jamal on PCP. It's a shame the ATF is so gay and we can't have proper SMG's available for non-moronic amounts of money.

          Doesn't the P90 qualify as a bullpup SMG?

          It does, because IMO all PDW's are SMG's.

          https://i.imgur.com/rwl8Fva.png

          and now you know one more

          Is this designed for human use? I guess they can't put a stock on it for legal reasons- don't be surprised when it gets discontinued in a year because nobody wants a overpriced glorified handgun.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Subsonic .300 is not going to be significantly more effective than 9mm or .45, that is true, however ignoring supersonic .300 would be just silly. In a BP configuration you can go as small as you'd want to while having massively superior terminal performance when loaded with supers. I like PCCs but if I'm being honest with myself the only reasons I consider them more than just a fun gun are ammo cost(hard to overstate) and when I'm feeling real autistic over muzzle blast concerns(I just hang my peltors off my AR these days).

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Subsonic .300 is not going to be significantly more effective than 9mm or .45, that is true, however ignoring supersonic .300 would be just silly.
              I mean, not sure I quite agree with you on the first, the shape yields much better ballistics on a 300bo bullet then 45. Even with subs I'd rather be shooting 300bo 220gr@1050fps then .45 230gr@835fps or whatever at any sort of range beyond near point blank (15+ yd), and 9mm is way down below that.

              But I completely agree that the second is the point anyway and that's the main thing. 300bo means you can just pop in a mag of supers and now you've got easily double the power of even the spiciest underwood +P 45. The subs are a nice bonus in flexibility not the point though.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Those things literally are all obsolete though.
        You're the has-been hanger-on ranting and raving about how his Motorola Razor from 2007 is just as good as the newest Samsung model.
        Old.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't the P90 qualify as a bullpup SMG?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      and now you know one more

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Absolute vaporware. Projected release was 2 years ago and they have zero updates. Picrel is your best option for an ultra-short bullpup right now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >SMGs in general are obsolescent
      Not according to the US Army. They consider the M4 to be obsolescent.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      When you need low penetration on an airplane it is key. Just watched Air Force One last night. Kino 10 inch colt m4s with rails and red dots in 1997 and mp5 and mp5k. Google says it’s the first movie to feature flat top m4s. This would probably over penetrate a plane though. Wonder what real ss weapons on air force one in the late 90s and today are

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Frick I’m moronic they are 14.5 inch

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You could use varmint loads and have zero worry of overpen. Every pistol load on the market short of Glaser is going to have a chance of massive overpen, especially in the 90s before we had stuff like Critical Defense with practically guaranteed expansion.

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