Both of them have far larger tank fleets than Germany, including Leopard 2 and Leopard 1.

Both of them have far larger tank fleets than Germany, including Leopard 2 and Leopard 1. Why isn't PrepHole seething at them?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    one is fighting k*rds and one is fighting t*rks

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkish tank fleet:
    >339 Leopard 2
    >355 Leopard 1
    >785 M60
    >750 M48

    Greek tank fleet:
    >353 Leopard 2
    >520 Leopard 1
    >100 M60
    >392 M48

    German tank fleet:
    >266 Leopard 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because I had higher expectations of self proclaimed leader of Europe than of 2 brown shitholes.
      I guess I was wrong.

      If both the Greeks and the Turks gave all their tanks to Ukraine it would make the whole region safer

      https://i.imgur.com/iC6YInI.jpg

      The Germans have a bunch of tanks sitting in storage for the expressed purpose of trying to move them to someone else. The Greeks are actively using their tanks for a hypothetical war with Turkey and the Turks are using theirs for a real war with Syria and hypothetical wars in their near abroad.

      KMW said months ago they could have a brigade sized force ready in ~8 weeks. If Sholz was really so concerned with the price he could put up the 1,000 plus Leopard 1s KMW also has in storage.

      The demand for the US to send tanks is so fucking nonsensical as to be ridiculous when the US is clearly sending fuck loads of other high end weapons.

      Export licenses prevent German made equipment being provided to Ukraine without Germany giving permission first, regardless of what country actually owns the tanks. At the start of the war multiple countries wanted to provide various bits of equipment and were not given permission, for instance Estonia was initially prevented from providing howitzers. Breaking such export licenses could have significant impact on a countries relationship with Germany going forward. As Germany is the economic heart of the EU Poland et Al would ideally want to do things by the book. However patience is running out so I wouldn't be too surprised if Poland decides to break that contract and provide them anyway.

      It's not nonsensical at all, the US is the only nation that can send large numbers of modern MBTs for the long term.
      Germany has 100 tanks in storage, the US has almost 4000.
      In GPD terms German and US aid is similar at this point.

      This isn't true. Yes there are more Abram's than Leo 2's, but there is a much more logistical support in Europe for the Leo 2. Meaning they would be much easier to sustain than the Abram. Ukraine thinks it needs 300 MBTs to successfully push Russia out, which represents 15% of Leo2's produced. It is realistically possible for that number of tanks to be provided by a coalition of NATO countries.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody has asked Germany for export licenses for Leopard tanks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are Leopards still produced?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Greeks need them because turkey threatens to invade Greece once a month.

      Turkeys leopards are pretty old, and needs new engines (which they are not able to source at the moment because nobody likes turkey).

      Germany has more leopards than the ones in active storage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Germany barely keeps their active duty equipment in working condition. Half their active duty planes don't fly. I don't wanna know in what shape "active storage" is

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s a mix. There are older 2a6 models in active service alongside the 2a7v. The 7s are mint, the 6s should be in fine condition.

          However, it’s the stock of 2a4 and 2a6 that isn’t in storage that could be interesting for Ukraine (or, more realistically, ones from other countries). I would wager that those number something north of 200 - in various conditions and variants.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because I had higher expectations of self proclaimed leader of Europe than of 2 brown shitholes.
    I guess I was wrong.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >self proclaimed leader of Europe
      said who?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Germans

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          when did they do that

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Macron and by extension France has implied that, not Germany. After half a decade of the shitstorm that was the American mismanagement of foreign relations, people projected their wishes onto the Germans - they themselves didn't.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    turks already sent tb2s tbh, they can claim that they've done their part. people can't exactly seethe at them without looking like ungrateful entitled whiny bitches (atleast for the time being)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      actually its more than tb2s

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, Ukraine did pay for most of that though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, Turkey has been the second biggest supplier of Ukrainian forces before the war.

      Turkey was providing MRAPS, artillery, ammunition, communication systems, and tons of ballistic protection equipment to Ukraine way before Germany failed to send 5000 helmets...

      By the way, when will people see that the actual enemy is not Russia but Germany?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If both the Greeks and the Turks gave all their tanks to Ukraine it would make the whole region safer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would we want to give our tanks to subhuman slavs?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >türkler calling slavs subhuman
        kek

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd consider slavs lower than kurds

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Germans have a bunch of tanks sitting in storage for the expressed purpose of trying to move them to someone else. The Greeks are actively using their tanks for a hypothetical war with Turkey and the Turks are using theirs for a real war with Syria and hypothetical wars in their near abroad.

    KMW said months ago they could have a brigade sized force ready in ~8 weeks. If Sholz was really so concerned with the price he could put up the 1,000 plus Leopard 1s KMW also has in storage.

    The demand for the US to send tanks is so fucking nonsensical as to be ridiculous when the US is clearly sending fuck loads of other high end weapons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not nonsensical at all, the US is the only nation that can send large numbers of modern MBTs for the long term.
      Germany has 100 tanks in storage, the US has almost 4000.
      In GPD terms German and US aid is similar at this point.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. They're both too busy being at each other's necks to let go of any military equipment
    2. Germany keeps seething at the mere mention of Greek/Turk Leopards going to Ukraine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2. Germany keeps seething at the mere mention of Greek/Turk Leopards going to Ukraine
      why do you make up things in your mind?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Türkiye did their part and stopped rusiks blitkrieging ukraine
    Well greece is just an irrelevant ruski proxi

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC greece sent some ancient IFVs from the vietnam era

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're sending BMP's because the Germans were giving them Marders in exchange.
      Greece barely sent anything which is pretty weird considering how Ukraine has a significant Greek minority that got fucked over by the Russian invasion.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They need them to conduct/repel an amphibious landing attempt against each other.
    >mfw we'll never actually get to see that shitshow unfold

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do Turks and Greeks pretend to hate each other? Behind closed doors they literally have gay sex with each. Also Greeks are the largest cosoooomers of Turkish dramas and movies and a lot of Turks are obsessed with Hellenism

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turks and Greeks are the same thing, Byzantines. They hate each other because the religious and linguistic difference are basically a marker about whether you're more loyal to the caliph or the emperor.
      if you ask them, they'll deny it because most of them are completely unaware of this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Turks are obsessed with Hellenism

      they are just 16 years old european wannabe kiddos online. literally nobody think about hellenism in turkey.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So let me get this straight:

    Turkey can't buy tanks due to embargoes, but should give away the tanks it does have?

    Never happening. Kys

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, they can’t buy any engines for the tanks they already have. So kind of pointless anyway

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkish leopards are busy getting ATGMd by gigachad Kurds.

    Greek leopards are busy training to storm across Eastern Thrace and liberate Constantinople.

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