Grandfather (very wealthy) asked which gun he should buy as his first gun for home defense. I suggest the following...
>CMMG BANSHEE, MkGs, 9MM, 8"
>M300C SCOUT LIGHT
>UE-SR07 SCOUT LIGHT REMOTE SWITCH
>Trijicon SRO sight
Take him to the gun range
>Show him ease of use
>Show him effectiveness in small spaces
>Explain ammo capacity, reliability, etc...
>double taps targets easily out to 15yards, reloading like a champ, and mentions how light and easy to shoot the gun is.
He asked his boomer brother-in-law what he should get.
>JuSt GeT A ShOtGuN!!!
>YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO AIM TO CLEAR OUT A ROOM!!!
>Buys Tac-13
The autistic rage I'm feeling right now is unreal.
Can I have some money
Dude. You should have your own money, and if you don't you should be learning a skill to earn money. Why are zoomers just asking for handouts these days?
Can I have a handjob?
This guy would turn down free money. What a loser.
>JuSt GeT A ShOtGuN!!!
hell yeah brother
He sounds based and you sound autistic
Nothing based about boom stick. 30rds and ergonomics for a frail old man vs 5rds low reliability and hard af to shoot follow up shots bc he's old.
He'll likely only need one to defend his house. He isnt fighting off a platoon of Black folk on horseback
just cause you cant handle it doesnt mean a frail old man cant.
Oh no.....it's moronic
How in the frick is 9mm less effective than .25 or .22? I smell bullshit
Its anecdotal but I saw a guy get shot point blank in the eye with a .380 and he lived. But later saw a dude take a single .38 lead roundnose to his belly and die. Handguns are so unpredictable
People who have had their bodies hijacked by parasites and get shot in the gut tend to die (like stargate). At this point the proper drill would be gutshot, chestshot, headshot.
What is this data from? It looks... suspicious, like the sample size for .25 ACP was actually so small they just extrapolated or something.
Turns out most people don't like getting shot and are likely to stop no matter what you hit them with.
>.44 mag
>less than .357
Somethings screwy here doc
Why doesnt someone just a bunch of goats or pigs or sheep and shoot them
Probably overpenetration because almost all .44 loads are heavy hunting bullets. It would be interesting to see a study on this, though. You might need a lot of goats.
.44 is barely used in the first place
Did you miss this, anon?
Shotguns are based but I fricking hate all the misinformation around them.
Tell people if they aren't going to take your advice, don't ask. Or tell them if they want it, tell them your fees are negotiable.
Your time is a finite resource, don't waste it.
Thats the absolute dumbest shit ever.
>yeah tell family members my time is too valuable for them and its my way or the highway
Come back when you stop watching Sam Hyde advice videos and turn 25
You can't tell me it's not frustrating as hell to have someone come to you for help about a topic you're knowledgeable on and then have them completely ignore your advice. Telling them to frick off is autistic as hell granted. But the sentement is felt.
> completely ignore your advice.
Because your advice is dumb.
The very first question you should ask anyone that wants to know “What gun should I buy?” Is “How much money are you looking to spend?”
Chances are, they’ll say around five hundred. In which case, you should know that recommending a $2k+ carbine is a nonstarter
He doesn't care about price.
Just because he has a lot of money doesn’t mean he would automatically be willing to drop a decent amount of money one something that will likely never get used
He told me he doesn't care about price. Are you done pushing this point now?
>have $1,000,000+
>go budget on devices which you will rely on in life or death scenarios
200 IQ
>Will
Welcome to the real world kid. Practically nobody gets in lethal force encounters unless they go search them out
>No seat belt because not everyone gets in crashes
>No fire extinguisher because not everyone experiences fires
>No health insurance because not everyone experiences cancer
I bet you buy harbor freight jack stands.
>Not everyone
Your pathetic strawman shows what a mindless homosexual you are.
Kek. You're the guy out here saying people don't need home defense guns on /k/. stay coping.
>Strawman again
Fricking lol. Are you perhaps a leftist? You don't know anything about money or guns, so maybe you are a woman.
>you're a gay
>you're a leftist
>you're a woman
>strawman strawman!
You have anything to say about why we don't "need" guns or are you just gonna keep sperging out?
You're just mad you waste your time giving people advice they disregard. You wish you were big wiener energy like me to cut off psychic vampires like that Stay mad, you cuck.
This is frustrating with family. I don't know what else to do other than say, "Hey, then do it yourself if you don't want to listen." Still doesn't work because they're pigheaded frickwads, but at least I don't have to be their secondhand monkey holding the tools.
How is it dumb? I am the most "serious" and "put together" in my family and friend circle so they used to come to me to vent their bullshit and I put a stop to it fast because I hated listening to them, giving them advice, them completely ignoring it, then coming back to me for help.
I'm mostly still in contact with the ones that would do that, they just either listen to my advice now (mostly because they didn't listen the first ten times and i helped them out of whatever hole they dug) or don't vent to me.
Here's one example of an idiot that never once listened to me
>bro i found this girl she's the best
>that's nice dude
>one year of him b***hing about her to me later
>aaaa im going to leave her
>good
>she told me shes pregnant
>get a dna test, leave her anyway and fight for your rights
>nah im going to marry her 🙂
Ten years later a messy divorce happens, he didn't take my advice to stop smoking pot so his ex wife brings up his drug use in court and he loses his rights to the kid and his house. Also she cheated on him twice and he stayed with her despite me telling him to leave
>nah bro you don't get it, you can't understand what i feel because you don't have a kid and you aren't married
Literally laughed in his face. He was right, I had not gotten cheated on by my wife twice so I couldn't understand.
Anyway
>tldr
It gets really annoying to have people vent and ask for advice then ignore it all. You need to be direct with people or they will just use and abuse you.
Addiction is a helluva thing, the effort can move mountains if put to better uses. Pot n' pussy, many such cases.
They don't ignore your advice they just mentally check out because you tism dump too much info at once.
Not reading all that
that is a pretty reddit-ass build you recommended him anon, its no surprise he DOESN'T want to spend 2k on a home defense gun.
He's got over a million in the bank. That's also the same build I have, with some items left off.
he probably didn't get that million by buying toys
And? He’d still be spending money for the sake of spending money, since there’s little practical difference between the two
You're missing the point. You've drank minmax koolaid and can't realize that none of that shit matters. a simple pump shotgun is plenty effective. None of your whizbang gucci accessories matter if you don't train to use them properly, and some old boomer isn't gonna be going to a pat mac class anytime soon. A pump shotgun suits his needs perfectly. Simple, Reliable, Effective.
>Simple, Reliable, Effective.
Effective until you short stroke it under duress and fowl up a gun you don't know how to clear.
>None of your whizbang gucci accessories
A flashlight, a button for the flashlight, and an optic. Fricking boomer in the chat bois.
>just get a shotgun
I'll finish for you
>and fire two blasts into the air
>I suggest the following...
>>CMMG BANSHEE, MkGs, 9MM, 8"
SCOUT LIGHT
>>UE-SR07 SCOUT LIGHT REMOTE SWITCH
SRO sight
>vggghhhh Im such a chad look how special and unique I am I'm so masculine I got psy'opd into using outdated shit instead of whatever I like the most because chad would do that instead
who would win a zoomer with his reddit tacticool 9mm meme or a boomer with a shotgun
tell you what, I'll shoot you with a 12ga and you tell me when it starts feeling "outdated"
I could shoot you in the eye ball with a 22 you dumb frick, that's not the point.
so if it does exactly what it's supposed to, how is it outdated?
>tell you what, I'll shoot you with a Martini Henry and you tell me when it starts feeling "outdated"
It’s almost like there are additional considerations for what constitutes a good HD gun that aren’t just whether or not it will kill you.
kys Black person
>Gun kills person you want dead
Will you just admit that your statement was both wrong and stupid? Just like your advice.
I'm sure you also defended DPR gays getting mosins
Did you think this post would make you look smart
Literally the reason why the zoomer drawing is always portrayed as pissed off, zoomers always self-conscious about being manlets
Should have suggested a mini 14 or M1 Carbine you autistic manchild. I guarantee you the reason he got the shotgun was because it was cheaper and more familiar. You recommended a bunch of tacticool shit he knows nothing about, your uncle recommended something he'd be at least marginally familiar with.
Seconded, the M1 carbine would have been an extremely good recommendation, throw some JHP in there and that b***h is g2g
Agree that M1 carbine would have been a great reccomendation. Thing is a killer
Or maybe a mini14 may be more palatable for old dogs.
>dad was asking about modern ARs for his house
>take him out one weekend to let him use my 10.5" SBR
>he does decently well, says he might go get a 16" carbine
>fast forward a month
>pops shows up to the range with a 20" A2 clone just like the one he was issued in the Marine Corps
>aight, his money
>fricking shoots better than he did with my SBR even when doing Botkins tier flat range tomfoolery
>he's 68 years old
If it works it works I guess.
>If it works it works I guess.
Imagine a 60-year-old man having control of this with 00 buck shot.
ok, I did. now what?
have you ever even fired a shotgun? they're not magical concussion machines.
pretending a 12ga doesn't have heavy recoil is the most middle-school boast you can possible do.
good thing that's not what I'm doing.
I've seen plenty of old men handle 12ga guns better than I can. how old is Hickock? there's just a single example.
you're the one repeating fuddlore because you have no first-hand experience.
There are 12 ga guns, and then there are 12ga guns with a fricking dildo for a grip.
wienershead grip works dummy.
SB tactical just released their new BLM model, it's only for the shockwave though.
Obviously they have recoil but it's not unmanageable. If you're not braindead the problems with recoil are follow up shots and how your shoulder feels after a range day, not whether or not you can shoot without flying back twenty feet looney toons style. Every senior farmer I know can shoot 12 gauge with or without a stock. Everyone and their grandmother can learn to manage it to at least be somewhat effective.
depends on the ammo you use but no it really doesn't. Compared to an actual "heavy recoil" gun 12ga is mild
t. twink who's fired shotties and an mg3 before
can i see photos of said twink
>have you ever even fired a shotgun?
I've fired the shockwave. It wanted to flip up and follow-up shots were terrible. The guys working the range told me they've seen 2 people shoot themselves with the damn thing before.
>Grandfather
>60 years old
How old are you?
See
My grandpa was a G, and his daughter was a prostitute. I had kids at 17 so I'm not any better than them.
>My grandpa was a prostitute, and his daughter was a prostitute.
Kids at 15 is kind of appalling, and I grew up in a midwestern trailer park. Are you sure he's not actually both your dad AND your grandpa?
>Kids at 15 is kind of appalling, and I grew up in a midwestern trailer park.
Alright, listen... you got me to laugh with this one. Were all well off, so maybe the inbreeding worked out.
He’s white trash anon they have kids when they’re still kids
There is a 60+ year old guy at my gym that does one arm chinups between sets. He is short, so not a ton of mass but still. If you tale care of a machine the machine will take care of you
not surprising, a big 20" AR is going to be way more controllable.
>man with normal length rifle outshoots cqb larper and his pistol rifle
uh no shit
on a scale of 1-10 how much does this picture make you dilate
it has a 6" barrel btw
>Guy uses rifle he's more familiar with
>Guy uses it effectively
>This is shocking and incomprehensible
it has an eotech instead of some chinkshit and it has a suppressor, which a lot of people seem to choose their rifle and cartridge for but never actually buy, so it's not too bad but would be great with a barrel that doesn't waste a third of its power. and you know, a stock
>6"
what a waste
it's in 300 Blackout and exclusively shoots subs, 220 grain @ 1075 fps
6" is gay enjoy your ass ballistics. Better hope your optic doesn't malfunction because you have no backup sights queer. Good job you made me seethe because you're a shit weasel
Look anon, I'm not gonna say you're wrong because you're partially right. My SBR is the only rifle I own that would be considered modernized with an optic and a white light, which is why I had my dad use it because he was asking about modernized AR pattern rifles. He bought an A2 pattern because he did the smart thing and bought something he was already familiar with as a combat veteran. Given the layout of his house a 16" probably would have been more sensible, but after watching him do sprints for the first time in twenty years and still ring steel on the first shot at 400m with his A2, I'm not gonna say he made the wrong decision.
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imagine spending $2000+ for a 9mm carbine when you can just go buy a $200 maverick 88 that's better in every way for HD lmao
Too long for some of the spaces he needs to navigate in his house.
Black person he's not going to be breaching and clearing rooms like he's seal team 6, a 20" shotgun will be fine lol
We went around the house with my AR10 just to see the angles, and it was really awkward as hell due to his layout.
He doesnt need to clear rooms dude. He needs to protect a choke point or just shoot a guy in a hallway, after calling the cops or call them afterward. The cops will help clear the house and make sure everything is completely secure. He doesnt need to clear every nook and cranny. Burglars dont hide in the crawlspaces with AKS74Us waiting to ambush homeowners. They come in, look for the valuable stuff they can take easily and roll out. Holding a choke point and yelling out "get the frick out of my house I called the police" is the best move. If they come at you, shoot them. If they don't, they're running (most likely dropping anything that slows them down) and you saved yourself a nightmare in court. If they say frick you and stay the cops will nab their asses.
There's a funnel from the house to his bedroom hallway. that's the choke point. If he retreats into the bedroom, the angle into his room would require him to drop the gun to retreat. A simple shorter barrel would allow him to keep sites down range while retreating.
Solid advice though. You would probably understand better if you saw his house.
>Worrying about dinging your doorframe with your muzzle when there's someone in your house trying to rob you and frick your butthole
not worried about door frame, more so dropping sites while retreating.
>sites
you mong
>the angle into his room would require him to drop the gun to retreat
Wtf? Dude c'mon now.
How in the hell would he be required to drop the gun? Bring it into his body like a modified present arms position. If he can fit the gun can fit. I've cleared all kinds of shitshow houses when I worked for the PD and was on the part time SWAT unit. I used a 18" 870 since thats what my cheap ass dept would let me use, despite having a better shotgun at home. Having seen two people killed with a 12g I can tell you one shot is pretty damn effective. Thats two homicides, didnt count suicides which were truly a spectacular mess with a shotgun.
Here's a rough layout of his house. The black rectangle is the shit he has in that little space.
Yo, your gramps lives in the grand gallery of an ancient egyptian pyramid?
He's got a big house, but it's custom-made and dumb.
lost
Move back into the room and hold the inside of that corner if he cant get his tac-13 up to hold that one. If anything the shotgun will be even more effective in the shorter hallway. Also get him a brace for the tac13 for christmas and a light and he's frickin set.
> "Goyim-er...Friend! Here is the latest Israeli-tested firearms technology you could buy to safeguard your home from blacks who live on other side of town! While you're here maybe you could donate to starving israelites you see on Fox News! Yes, very considerate of you, Truly Americans are the greatest friends of Israel!"
No
well than he should've just got a g17 and thrown an amazon flashlight on it. He's a moron for buying a tac13 but your gucci 9mm carbine recommendation probably didn't help
Realistically he should have gotten either a pistol (Glock would be better but since he's a boomer probably would easily sell a 1911) or a regular AR with a flashlight. I have no idea why we still have people recommend 9mm carbines when 556 is much more effective
>a home invasion happens
1. go to your room, shut the door
2. Aim shotgun at the door
3. Call the cops
If the intruder enters the room waste them.
This whole I'm gonna clear rooms b.s. is fu king stupid and probably get your dumbass killed.
See
Walk backward and simultaneously side step into the room and pull the weapon muzzle up through the doorway. Train, train, train.
Agreed, training would be very ideal. I know his old ass isn't going to get range time in. I suggested some classes at the local GC. He probably won't do it, god willing he does.
>letting some Black person take all your shit while you hide in your room
homosexual
>letting some Black person take all your shit while you hide in your room
>homosexual
King shit
>get in a shootout in a small space with multiple probably armed assailants
Buy a coffin.
I have two different relatives that have hunted down and killed Black folk in their homes in self defense
you're a homosexual, have fun hiding in a corner with a shockwave
>I have two different relatives that have hunted down and killed Black folk in their homes in self defense
Good for them, they probably trained. They are not you though. Buy a coffin or training.
>they probably trained
They were boomers that barely ever shot, actually.
I shoot USPSA pretty regularly and have done force on force classes in the past.
kys homosexual
>he lives around Black folk
Kys homosexual. Train realistically moron.
I live in America, yes
nooooooooooo not the printer!
>I have two different relatives that have hunted down and killed Black folk in their homes in self defense
Hunting Black folk is legal but baiting them in is not permitted.
>here commotion in house
>grab handgun and investigate
>see redguard
>shoot dey asses
No baiting required
>good situational awareness
>solid stance
>quick follow-ups
>a fricking target transition
>all under the stress of a life-or-death situation
I hope I do half as well as that guy if I ever have to throw down.
I’ll thrown in an exception if you have kids or other loved ones that you need to secure, but otherwise 199% agreed
The idea that you’ll never have to clear rooms is kind of unimaginative.
My dog figured out how to fricking open doors (we have the pull down lever ones so she just hops up and uses her weight to pull it down) , so if one of my family members forgets/doesn’t lock the doors sometimes she’ll open it on her own and get out. Every once in a while we’ll come back and a door will be open. I’m not gonna call the fricking cops just cause I come back home and the back doors open, but I will clear the rooms in my house real quick.
This is just one example in my life I’ve had to clear a room. It takes no time and id rather be safe than sorry.
Sounds like you need to beat them until they remember to lock the doors
Kek, yeah, I agree.
Sorry I wasn’t talking about OP’s specific scenario, I sidetracked about room clearing.
Good idea, it’s not my fricking house tho.
We have two dogs, both are big dogs and are good for security. The only issue is when we come back we’re not sure if they’ve gotten out, or if someone is there they could’ve just shot them while we where out.
This is just my specific scenario but I’m just saying room clearing may be a necessity at some point. Especially if you have family members or a wife/gf. You should avoid room clearing at all costs, but still be able to do it. Maybe I’m just being autistic and enjoying myself, but I’d rather be safe than sorry.
Your dog is a week link in your security status. Get rid of it.
Okay, his grandpa isnt getting a carry gun. So he'd have to run through the unsecured house to retrieve his HD weapon and then clear it in that scenario. Plenty of people call the cops if the back door is open on their house. Like I used to get that call once a week. Sometimes their house had been burglarized, sometimes it was nothing. If you have a carry pistol I get it, but if not its a reasonable reaction
Change the lever style to a door knob.
>CMMG BANSHEE, MkGs, 9MM,
That's an oddly specific choice, Mr. Autism.
Glock mags
Why not tell him to buy a glock then, sperg.
Ergos of a pistol requires training. The rifle setup is easier to use. simple as.
how old r u
30
You're 30 and your grandfather is 60?
I could protect my house easily with a shotgun.
ITT: OP confuses "home defense" and "active shooter" scenarios
>PCC
>Trijicon
>HD gun
Holy shit that's incredibly moronic
Just tell him to get a class III license and buy pic related. Boomers love paperwork
>Boomers love paperwork
So fricking true.
But only if you call it a “class III license”
>9mm pistol round in rifle package.
Why though? Just get a 9mm rifle round. No less easy to use, literally 3x as powerful.
Almost no recoil for follow-up shots.
To be honest recoil isn't that bad on 350L. It has about 1.75x the muzzle velocity so with the same bullet you get:
>Almost nothing * 1.75 = still very little
Especially if you suppress it.
You know what else has almost no recoil?
5.56
Over penetration. Youre dumb.
Just use frangibles moron
ammo availability.
You only need maybe 60 total rounds of soft point ammo moron, it's not like it's hard to find 3 boxes of 20 rounds online
They even have tumble on impact rounds. Idk why people worry about over penetration, if you are using 556 55gr ball ammo any pieces that exit are not deadly and is not going to go through the wall.
Small bullet gay.
But it's a literal war caliber and kills good.
>the Uvalde children could only be positively identified through dna tests and dental records
Ok Joe, here's your blanket, go sit on the porch while the adults talk
Sounds like you granddad picked fun over efficiency
here's how you teach someone about firearms for home defense:
>take them to the range
>bring a basic b***h auto handgun
>a revolver
>a shotgun
>and an AR-15
>have them shoot each
>ask which one they liked best
the most effective defensive firearm is the one you feel good shooting. full stop.
He loved my little sbr setup, still buy boomer blaster.
On one hand you're autistic on the other I do understand your struggle. Nothing like having your opinion requested and subsequently ignored is one of the most baffling and frustrating things that can occur. Especially when they ask someone blatantly less knowledgeable because they value their opinion more
Boomer brother in law is right. Semi auto shotgun goes
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM and anything in front, I don't care if it's a fricking Wendigo, is dead.
Least he could have done is checked back with you since you went through all that but what's done is done just move along. It's not like your dog got raped.
It's hard to accept that what you might think is cool is not always the most practical
you'll have the last laugh when he's deaf
What's the use if he can't hear you?
Shotguns are not as loud as an ar15 loaded with 556 i shoot 12 gauge without ear pro all the time can't do the same with 556 that sharp chirp kills the ear.
Literally all of your choices were stupid and gay. You're gay, and you should feel bad.
My boomer (everyone over 45 is a boomer to me) stepdad will only carry a revolver because semi autos are unreliable. He doesn't know what a fud is but he hates any and all guns in semi with a modern capacity. I showed him my new cp33 the other day he hated it. If it was a revolver or a 1911 style with 10 rounds or less he'd have loved it.
Fricking morons. I love them but I hope we never become like them.
there is no way that thing is legal in cali eh : /
Here's your state complaint rifle comrade.
its not on the approved handgun roster
He was offered a path of lesser resistance and took it. Oh well. Not on you.
Should have just showed him the normie vid of FpsRussia with an AA-12 and let him go through all the licensing bullshit and buy one kek
I told him to buy an M4 tactical if he wants a real shotgun lol.
>Tac-13
Absolutely top notch choice for home defense. Great decision on his part
He was right though. You showed him the tacticool zoomer autist way, his brother-in-law told him to get a shotgun, he got a tacticool zoomer autist shotgun. Best of both worlds, a shotgun that is small and easy to handle in confined spaces.
Thank God he didn't get the banshee, it's a piece of shit
Tell me more.
not him but i've heard a trick for knowing if something is a meme.
>6.8 grendel
>.300 blackout
>.30 super carry
>.350 legend
are meme rounds named to sound cool
>9mm luger
>.45 autoloading centerfire pistol
>.223 remington
>.308 winchester
are named practically because they are what they are. naming your product after a scary mythical creature is a marketing meme
9mm is a meme...?
georg luger isn't a cryptid and if he were he wouldn't hurt you
What about magnum calibers? They all sound cool.
>7mm remington magnum
>.300 winchester magnum
>.338 lapua or norma magnum
>.375 holland and holland or weatherby magnum
>.475 linebaugh
>.500 smith and wesson magnum
>.454 casull
>.44 remington magnum
and so on are just named after the men or companies that designed them. there's just a couple meme sounding ones like .50 action express. i wouldn't count the older nitro express rounds as memes because they actually were used to hunt dangerous game, so they earned it.
Based boomer dabbing on his tacticool autismo sperg grandson suggesting some gay-ass wannabe build
Seems like the brother in law really knows his stuff. All you need is a shotgun and just single shot at that. Fire in the air once and you'll send any burglar packing.
Hell yeah brother, tell those kids what's what.
>Be OP
>A smelly fat and possibly NEET autist
>Boomerpa wants a home defense gun
>Boomerpa comes to you because you have autism and asks for advice
>Tell him to buy an expensive meme rifle, showing off my picture only gun at the range
>Misses every shot
>Boomerpa not impressed, and asks advice from Boomer In law.
>Boomer in Law tells him to buy a shotgun, Boomerpa does it
>Boomerpa secretly write me out of his will
>Being a total sperg, complain on a grounded aviation image board, hoping for boomer hate
>Posters proceed to make fun of me instead.
That's the true story isn't it, autist?
I'm going to rob him with my meme rifle, winner takes all.
it was the price. just recommend a PSA next time brainlet.
>>Buys Tac-13
There are definitely worse options than this. Looks pretty cool to me.