>Boeing is making the F-15 Eagle II
Oh, wow!, How nice of them, to be able to build and sell a plane designed and developed by somebody else, just with some latest gadgets (also designed and developed by somebody else) thrown in.
They're still building them though aren't they? Don't get me wrong, I'm not simping for Boeing. My brother used to work for Boeing as a machinist, and the assembly plant kept sending a specific part back claiming it didn't fit and was getting damaged during testing. Eventually after the 3rd or 4th time sending a brand new part my brother inspected the damaged parts and realized they were installing the part backwards which caused the part to be damaged when they tested it. After sending it up the chain they flew him out to the assembly plant and sure enough when he crawled up inside the fuselage the part was backwards and they had to take everything apart again for like the 5th time to install it correctly.
NG's working on the B-21 Raider, Lockmart is still on the F-35, that leaves NGAD to Boeing unsurprisingly. Though given the cost there's a chance this is for the companion drones rather than the planes themselves
As a Kansas I usually don't mind Missourians but you sir, are a dumbass. Of course everyone should be proud of their states but acting like you're hot shit while being the same state that has St.Louis and other shithole cities is very retarded. Oh yeah one more thing, wanna know which state people think of when they think of Kansas City? It's Kansas first and Missouri second. White trash.
the fact this State has command over nuclear weapons is hilarious. thousands of years from now future historians will ask why the missourian people were entrusted with such power.
He means that black people are so lazy and incompetent that yhey cannot be trusted to build 100 million dollar + aircraft without fucking them up to the point that they are a danger to their pilots and ground crews. Hope that helps.
Someone’s gotta do the highly physically repetitive, but low mental requirement positions in the factory. All they gotta do is follow simply written instructions and they get to take home a higher than average paycheck.
Don't take for granted the motivation involved in learning how to do any kind of work that goes into producing a technological product, and then giving a shit about the product you make functioning properly even when you're constantly getting fucked out of total compensation so the company can squeeze an extra cent out of this month's expenses. That's how you end up with mystery problems where suddenly your factory is incapable of doing what it's been doing for thirty years.
I don’t know if Boeing does it, but don’t you usually need to pass a security clearance the moment you get into any departments that include includes access to blueprints? How many of those blacks are going to be able to stay off drugs long enough to piss clean on hire date and pass a clearance?
the issue with the 737 MAX 8 was that the ~~*plausibly white*~~ designers decided to cut costs and strap big new engines on the existing 1960s era airframe and that the code that was supposed to correct for the weight shift was poorly written by indians
but its true you dumb fuck. need us to spoon feed you all the information you consume? dipshit.
The Justice Department sued Elon Musk’s SpaceX on Thursday, alleging the company routinely discriminated against refugees and asylum seekers in its hiring process.
According to the lawsuit, SpaceX officials said on numerous occasions between 2018 and last year that it could hire only U.S. citizens and green card holders because of restrictive export control laws which govern the use of rocket and missile technology. The federal government cited several cases in which the company made this assertion publicly and listed citizenship as a requirement in job postings, even though “export control laws impose no such hiring restrictions.”
the letter of ITAR, which is what they're using here-
> U.S. Person - a natural person who is a lawful permanent resident as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)
protected individual includes those ADMITTED AS an asylee or refugee. the lawsuit has an example where the SpaceX hiring officer said the guy had impressive credentials and still denied incorrectly for ITAR. I wouldn't be surprised if this was handed down from musk personally
https://www.justice.gov/media/1311656/dl?inline
> For example, on or around August 27, 2021, a recruiter rejected an asylee applicant with the code "not authorized to work/ITAR ineligible" and told the applicant that SpaceX could not hire him because he was not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, despite the fact that the hiring manager had noted that the applicant had "some impressive experience listed."
1 month ago
Anonymous
How far is Biden's dick up your ass that you rage on Musk for only hiring Americans?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>US gov sues musk >"this is your fault for explaining what is happening like I'm five"
Do you think Musk invented tunnels too?
>The government is suing Elon Musk for not hiring illegals to build fucking rockets.
One of biggest clients of Space X is DoD. Its illegal for them hire to illegals. Fuck, they might have to jump thru few extra hoops to hire legal residents with citizenship of allied nations.
>MAX case was a total failure and exposed how much of a wall-street led shithole Boeing is now >won't develop any new Aircraft until 2030's while Airbus dominates the market >tried to buy huehue engineers to their ranks because all the veteran ones are retiring and pajeets can't build shit >only lifeline now is getting US govt contracts like some third-rate shitter manufacturer
Literally China/Russia tier, but i guess "it's OK when America does it".
America has Lockheed and Northrup Grumman, while Russia has nothing. And no one in the US would ever descrive the absolute state that is Boeing as bring okay.
Yes but both of those companies make cutting edge aircraft which cannot be said of Sukhoi or MiG who have spent the better part of the last half century rehashing the same outdated airframe.
>DoD contractor must hire illegals
Anyone who has worked for contractors or even subcontractors know you have to at least be a legal resident, us citizen, or sponsored visa.
>The government is suing Elon Musk for not hiring illegals to build fucking rockets.
Spacex is being sued for not hiring legal asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. Get it right, dipshit.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-spacex-discriminating-against-asylees-and-refugees-hiring
https://i.imgur.com/RaPy9Nt.jpg
but its true you dumb fuck. need us to spoon feed you all the information you consume? dipshit.
The Justice Department sued Elon Musk’s SpaceX on Thursday, alleging the company routinely discriminated against refugees and asylum seekers in its hiring process.
According to the lawsuit, SpaceX officials said on numerous occasions between 2018 and last year that it could hire only U.S. citizens and green card holders because of restrictive export control laws which govern the use of rocket and missile technology. The federal government cited several cases in which the company made this assertion publicly and listed citizenship as a requirement in job postings, even though “export control laws impose no such hiring restrictions.”
Wow, it's fucking nothing
the letter of ITAR, which is what they're using here-
> U.S. Person - a natural person who is a lawful permanent resident as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)
protected individual includes those ADMITTED AS an asylee or refugee. the lawsuit has an example where the SpaceX hiring officer said the guy had impressive credentials and still denied incorrectly for ITAR. I wouldn't be surprised if this was handed down from musk personally
https://www.justice.gov/media/1311656/dl?inline
> For example, on or around August 27, 2021, a recruiter rejected an asylee applicant with the code "not authorized to work/ITAR ineligible" and told the applicant that SpaceX could not hire him because he was not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, despite the fact that the hiring manager had noted that the applicant had "some impressive experience listed."
I guess every contractor handling sensitive information should start hiring asylum seekers from China.
National security is something that leads to perfectly acceptable discrimination. You don't hand over sensitive data to people with dual citizenship with hostile nations.
>Boeing is making the F-15 Eagle II
Oh, wow!, How nice of them, to be able to build and sell a plane designed and developed by somebody else, just with some latest gadgets (also designed and developed by somebody else) thrown in.
I guess Lockheed-Martin are retarded to continue manufacturing and upgrading F-16. I guess you are too stupid to understand how corporate mergers work.
>Dual citizenship with hostile nations
That isn't what happened, and you know that isn't what happened, you're making up a fictional version of events to justify discrimination.
The world will not improve until the last of people like you are buried.
>That isn't what happened, and you know that isn't what happened, you're making up a fictional version of events to justify discrimination.
National security isn't something that should be compromised to appease hippies with no common sense. Citizenship of hostile nation is perfectly fine reason to deny security clearances for sensitive information. Oh, the China might be bit of hyperbole, but hiring them is literally what you are demanding. >The world will not improve until the last of people like you are buried.
Your nation will not have safety until retards like you are buried.
1 month ago
Anonymous
it's not a security clearance, it's ITAR, which covers fucking EVERYTHING and you can easily get a waiver for anyways (in this case they didn't even need one since the law DOESN'T APPLY TO ASYLEES AND REFUGEES LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY)
unless you're worried about foreign nationals gaining the state secrets of weapon sights
1 month ago
Anonymous
>it's ITAR
What the fuck is purpose of ITAR? I guess it has something to do with safeguarding sensitive technologies. There are legit criticism over ITAR like its restrictions causing US companies to lose international contracts. As result some companies go extra mile to remove any military derived tech from their civilian products, that might cost them some money and they might lose some competitiveness on market due to ITAR. >unless you're worried about foreign nationals gaining the state secrets of weapon sights
It might have overreach on not exactly high tech products small arms and sights for small arms, but radar or electro-optical targeting systems for fighters something you might want safeguard.
>I will continue constructing fiction so I can win an argument while misrepresenting it
You can just admit you don't know what you're talking about and are just racist, you know. It's PrepHole.
Security clearances were not and are not the issue, nor was dual citizenship with hostile nations.
National security is perfectly fine reason to treat people as guilty until proven innocent. Even your own citizens with immigrant background and no obvious divided loyalties like dual citizenship. As always... you are screeching about racism.
>I guess Lockheed-Martin are retarded
Yes, they (and everybody else involved) are retarded for shutting down the F-22 production line. But at least they still have the F-35, and are only updating F-16s for ANG and countries they can't (or are not allowed to) offer F-35s to. What did Boing came up with in past three decades, besides the epic failure that was the X-32 abomination? >corporate mergers
are main reason why is Boing so SHIT right now. Everybody competent retired/left, and the shell of company is only living from its (and others) past glory, and fucking up anything they touch.
F-22 might be white elephant when it comes to budget bloat, it still is unrivaled fighter, but cutting the production made sense when it comes to budget. With serious hindsight, whole specification of next generation fighter should have been more seriously thought over in 90's. It is essentially pure air superiority platform, in era of multirole fighters. >are main reason why is Boing so SHIT right now.
With hindsight former McDonnell and Hughes aircraft should have been spun off from McDonnell-Douglas and they should have let the commercial aircraft division of MDC die, the former Douglas. Main driving force for Boeing-MDC merger was MDC's entire product portfolio on commercial airline side being about to become obsolete. Douglas started cutting costs in 60's in R&D even before merger with McDonnell.
1 month ago
Anonymous
it's not a security clearance, it's ITAR, which covers fucking EVERYTHING and you can easily get a waiver for anyways (in this case they didn't even need one since the law DOESN'T APPLY TO ASYLEES AND REFUGEES LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY)
unless you're worried about foreign nationals gaining the state secrets of weapon sights
Yeah, spacex - famous producer of weapon sights
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, spacex - famous producer of rockets and satellites
1 month ago
Anonymous
Remember when the Clintons sold China a whole bunch of US rocket tech in exchange for campaign contributions and then magically all of China's new ICBMs leapt ahead by 20+ years?
1 month ago
Anonymous
If SpaceX wasn't overly strict they would get sued for being too lenient with ITAR instead.
It doesn't matter if they have a valid case or not.
They want headlines saying MUSK BAD.
Biden admin is at war with Musk because of Twitter Files, Tesla not being controlled by unions and a whole bunch of other overt and covert reasons
This is not some schizo theory. They fucking hate the guy and dance in glee when they can shoot him in the foot.
I'm white and I work in aerospace (not with SpaceX)
I don't even think SpaceX should have to hire syrian refugees, I just think you're a retard for not getting the facts of the case correct.
>I work in aerospace (not with SpaceX)
1 month ago
Anonymous
anon the case is as simple as can be. asylees and refugees are US persons under ITAR. SpaceX is not hiring them based exclusivity on their false understanding that they must be permanent residents or citizens to pass ITAR.
Despite corrective attempts by the DOJ they continued to do so since 2018
1 month ago
Anonymous
to make this fucking clear this is not asylum seekers, this is approved asylees and refugees and ITAR counts them as US persons.
1 month ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/s54OHZY.png
to make this fucking clear this is not asylum seekers, this is approved asylees and refugees and ITAR counts them as US persons.
>playing it safe with ITAR/national security measures by not even bothering hiring anybody not born in America
Wtf I thought Musk was a fag??? Is he based?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>the south african who's dad owned shares in a slave labor emerald mine is racist?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Tesla not being controlled by unions
Unions are based
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I will continue constructing fiction so I can win an argument while misrepresenting it
You can just admit you don't know what you're talking about and are just racist, you know. It's PrepHole.
Security clearances were not and are not the issue, nor was dual citizenship with hostile nations.
ITAR is so sensitive they will ask you about Chinese girls you banged at college and prevented people from posting pictures of SLS on the launch pad. It is also not as clear a regulation as people here are implying and even NASA defaults to overreaction to maintain assurance of compliance. I don’t this suit has a chance in hell
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're confusing ITAR with an actual security clearnce. All ITAR needs is for you to be a US citizen or US person, and asylees and refugees count as the latter explicitly under ITAR SpaceX is incorrectly discriminating against the latter based on their bad interpretation of the law that they've kept even as the DOL has started this investigation and got discovery.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>That isn't what happened, and you know that isn't what happened, you're making up a fictional version of events to justify discrimination.
National security isn't something that should be compromised to appease hippies with no common sense. Citizenship of hostile nation is perfectly fine reason to deny security clearances for sensitive information. Oh, the China might be bit of hyperbole, but hiring them is literally what you are demanding. >The world will not improve until the last of people like you are buried.
Your nation will not have safety until retards like you are buried.
Unnaturalized foreigners should not be working in sensitive industries full stop.
>Unnaturalized foreigners should not be working in sensitive industries full stop.
Ethnic Chinese and Indians who have a single parent or two grandparents from China or India shouldn't be hired for sensitive defense matters, regardless of their own resident or citizen status.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yes and quite frankly they will 100% be watched even if they are somehow hired.
Indians are fine they’re not one of the no no nationalities but China had explicit government programs to reward ethnic Han who bring trade secrets to China, and that’s for basic shit like the interior lining of coke cans not fucking national security launch capabilities
I'm an immigrant and even I think it's retarded to have unnaturalized foreigners working in defense industries. Most of us have split loyalties (not always 50/50, never 100/0) because that's human nature and anyone who says otherwise is lying or unironically believes that Bruce Jenner is a chick. The latter must be put to death and their opinions ignored.
Now consider how easy it would be to infiltrate a defense contractor who just got sued by its own government for discrimination against us filthy foreigners. Give your agent a couple fake degrees with really good fake grades, a fake work history, have him "flee" persecution and apply to SpaceX who are now obligated to hire your guy because on paper he's better qualified than everyone except the other foreign agents jockeying for the position. This is some legitimate clown world shit.
Now go be a disingenuous gay moron somewhere else.
1 month ago
Sieg
Spacex isn’t a defense contractor… I have personally built parts on space x and I’m a literal dumbfuck with worthless degrees who sucks at programming cnc mills. Seriously my gcode is slop ass and my methodology heavily relying on gage blocks and drill rod for ax rather than using a CMM will definitely flunk any ISO certification attempt
If I could do it literally anyone in the world can do it
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Spacex isn’t a defense contractor
SpaceX has contracts with the DoD to put satellites in orbit. That is the very definition of a defense contractor. The fact that they work with third parties is irrelevant, and those third parties can hire whomever they want unless they also have contracts with the DoD, in which case ITAR and security clearance standards will apply to said parties as well. Then again I wouldn't expect a retard who can't even write gcode to understand this, so you keep doing your thing and hope that your job doesn't get taken by a thirdie who's used to living on $3/day.
>I have personally built parts on space x
Lots of people have built parts "on" SpaceX. You can buy cubesat space on most commercial launches. That doesn't mean you work for SpaceX, all it means is your employer made a mistake by hiring you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>this is legitimate clownworld shit
We know, by "we" I mean actual human beings, and there are frighteningly few of and seemingly less and less of us every generation.
USA is in a demographic death spiral, the identity politics and constant group fighting is just a wasting symptom of the disease. There's a solution (multiple really) but it is impossible to enact at this point without causing irreconcilable damage worse than letting the degradation happen.
For starters the welfare system in entirety -and- social security retirement needs to be completely abolished.
Anon you have to realize that all of this ridiculous, seemingly nonsensical shit is pushed around by people who think they're saving the world by "dismantling systems of oppression" and "empowering equality and equity." They're horribly broken people who can't actually be considered as having functional human brains, rather some odd fascimile of the mammalian emotional rat response overriding any possible intervention from the higher cortexes.
>I guess Lockheed-Martin are retarded
Yes, they (and everybody else involved) are retarded for shutting down the F-22 production line. But at least they still have the F-35, and are only updating F-16s for ANG and countries they can't (or are not allowed to) offer F-35s to. What did Boing came up with in past three decades, besides the epic failure that was the X-32 abomination? >corporate mergers
are main reason why is Boing so SHIT right now. Everybody competent retired/left, and the shell of company is only living from its (and others) past glory, and fucking up anything they touch.
>You don't hand over sensitive data to people with dual citizenship with hostile nations.
Unless the citizenship is Israeli in which case you hand over everything for them to sell straight to China.
I always thought that any major security clearance requires you to renounce your dual citizenship and be solely an American citizen. A good example is my dad: born in England, his dad moved over here during the 60s due to the lack of jobs in the aerospace industry. His dad renounced his citizenship for a security clearance to work in one of the many different aerospace companies (back then) in Connecticut. When my dad joined the Navy back in 1984 he had to renounce his British citizenship in order to become an officer. Maybe they’ve changed it since then but that’s the experience related to me. Guess a lot things have changed since Reagan
I'm white and I work in aerospace (not with SpaceX)
I don't even think SpaceX should have to hire syrian refugees, I just think you're a retard for not getting the facts of the case correct.
>https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-spacex-discriminating-against-asylees-and-refugees-hiring
Kek I wish for the downfall of this gay empire
>not hiring legal asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants
Lmao so many people clueless ITT.
Those Latinx folk are why the US asylum system has a ten year backlog.
You claim asylum WHEN you illegally immigrate. That’s how it works.
The Chinese are also getting on the border-asylum industrial complex. >While some individuals can immigrate through skilled migration or investment-based citizenship programs, others take the irregular route by seeking asylum. 走线 (zouxian, “walking the route”) is an internet term that refer to the act of irregular migration to the U.S. via Latin America by foot. A search for this term on Douyin, the Chinese version of TikTok, yields numerous results of users sharing their experiences and tips related to making this journey.
Chinese who are basically copying the same route Latinx use.
Most are doing it because of lure of cash and China being a shithole, but if any of them got a into an ITAR company they’d just as easily be lured by cash back to China.
It is indeed.
Ten minute drive away without traffic but have been in there less than 20 times in 17 years.
Most of which was to Microcenter on Brentwood or by the airport for stuff at Hunter Engineering or the airport itself
>all these years and STILL no starliner
Don't remind me
>After several rounds of competitive development contracts within the Commercial Crew Program starting in 2010, NASA selected the Boeing Starliner, along with SpaceX Crew Dragon, for the Commercial Crew Transportation Capability (CCtCap) contract round. The first crewed test flight test was initially planned to occur in 2017. >The uncrewed orbital flight test launched on December 20, 2019, but after deployment, an 11-hour offset in the mission clock of Starliner caused the spacecraft to compute that "it was in an orbital insertion burn", when it was not. This caused the attitude control thrusters to consume more fuel than planned, precluding a docking with the International Space Station. >After a lengthy development process with multiple delays, Boeing flew the Orbital Flight Test 2 on May 19, 2022. As of August 7, 2023 the Crewed Flight Test has been delayed until March, 2024.
Adding lanes usually doesn't help and sometimes makes it worse. When the road is completely saturated in traffic, that means there's even more traffic that's currently going the long way around to avoid that road, but would use that road if the capacity increased. And then you increased the capacity, so now they use that road. The back routes around it might see less traffic, but it itself is not going to improve at all.
That may be true in some cases(a city with dozens of possible routes increasing the size of their main throughway, for example). But interstates are different because the majority of that traffic is going to take the interstate no matter what.
State legislature's working on it, I think they've allocated funding to make it three lanes all across the state.
Adding lanes usually doesn't help and sometimes makes it worse. When the road is completely saturated in traffic, that means there's even more traffic that's currently going the long way around to avoid that road, but would use that road if the capacity increased. And then you increased the capacity, so now they use that road. The back routes around it might see less traffic, but it itself is not going to improve at all.
Maybe in a six-lane urban highway, but going from two lanes to three is a significant improvement, not least because when someone wrecks you can still have two-lane traffic.
My wife, who actually is a legal resident alien, got told she couldn't work for US Border Patrol or the FBI because she isn't a US citizen deapite being fluent in Russian and German. Yet Biden sues Musk for not hiring fugees to work on classified tech projects. Lovely.
Central location relatively close to the corporate HQ of Chicago, Cheapish, right on the Mississippi, decent enough sized population to find workers..... cons are presumably going to be low Int work force but with a population of 1mil i'll assume they can find enough at the right quality.
So, basically, Elon doesn’t want to hire barely-literate morons with fake college degrees? Why are these "refugees" going for SpaceX to the point of getting the attention of the government? Seems weird.
Why, because Lockheed and NG are too busy? I don't believe Boeing is actually capable of building current gen aircraft anymore.
Boeing is making the F-15 Eagle II's which are considered 4th gen + which I would still consider "current gen."
>Boeing is making the F-15 Eagle II
Oh, wow!, How nice of them, to be able to build and sell a plane designed and developed by somebody else, just with some latest gadgets (also designed and developed by somebody else) thrown in.
They're still building them though aren't they? Don't get me wrong, I'm not simping for Boeing. My brother used to work for Boeing as a machinist, and the assembly plant kept sending a specific part back claiming it didn't fit and was getting damaged during testing. Eventually after the 3rd or 4th time sending a brand new part my brother inspected the damaged parts and realized they were installing the part backwards which caused the part to be damaged when they tested it. After sending it up the chain they flew him out to the assembly plant and sure enough when he crawled up inside the fuselage the part was backwards and they had to take everything apart again for like the 5th time to install it correctly.
NG's working on the B-21 Raider, Lockmart is still on the F-35, that leaves NGAD to Boeing unsurprisingly. Though given the cost there's a chance this is for the companion drones rather than the planes themselves
>2B
Seems kinda low
>Seems kinda low
a program doomed to failure from the start
Its Boever
Luv me imos
Luv me cardinals
Luv me boeing
Luv me midway usa
Home of some of the worst cities in US.
Home of the most single mother mudsharks per capita.
Yeah, tell me how great it is there, amongst the mongrels and sister-fuckers.
You still ain't Southern, boy
To other midwesterners, Missourans sound very Southern
And when I moved to Arkansas from the GSLA I got called a yankee.
As a Kansas I usually don't mind Missourians but you sir, are a dumbass. Of course everyone should be proud of their states but acting like you're hot shit while being the same state that has St.Louis and other shithole cities is very retarded. Oh yeah one more thing, wanna know which state people think of when they think of Kansas City? It's Kansas first and Missouri second. White trash.
Insecure K*nsan seething
>Post Missouri shitpost
>Chaos happens in this thread
God speed Missourians, you chaotic bastards
the fact this State has command over nuclear weapons is hilarious. thousands of years from now future historians will ask why the missourian people were entrusted with such power.
>Missourian
>people
>His state doesn't have a nuclear waste heap that people climb on
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/14614
>Cards are shit
>Royals are shit
tough year
>Luv me boeing
>Illinois is shit.
Stop being tsundere. You and Wisconsin are our friends.
What does that even mean?
He means that black people are so lazy and incompetent that yhey cannot be trusted to build 100 million dollar + aircraft without fucking them up to the point that they are a danger to their pilots and ground crews. Hope that helps.
What makes you think that blacks are building the planes?
I'm just translating. Ask him.
St. Louis labor pool.
the fucking quality standards remain the same, no matter who manufactures the thing
Standards don't matter when corporate skimps on quality to save a buck and ramrods failure through.
So its the rich whites jeopardizing build quality through capitalism.
Very little humans are involved in production of airframes.
You might get one or two industrial engineers, a project manager and a few programmers coming and going
But this isn’t 1919 where 11 year old children’s are operating belt driven mills
why do people still tripfag in 2023
how current is that statistic? does it account for the white flight post ferguson and saint floyd?
Almost every single thing you've ever purchased was made by people that aren't white.
That explains why none of it lasts more than a few years tops.
I see no problem with them getting jobs and getting off gibs
The problem is that St. Louis, and especially East St. Louis, nigs are probably the dumbest in the entire county.
It's the pizza that cuts itself.
Do you really think they are just going to hire people off the streets of the ghettos?
Someone’s gotta do the highly physically repetitive, but low mental requirement positions in the factory. All they gotta do is follow simply written instructions and they get to take home a higher than average paycheck.
Just say that you're a fucking idiot so we can move on.
>he thinks manufacturing is full of respectable competent people
Brainrot brought on by naive thinking.
Don't take for granted the motivation involved in learning how to do any kind of work that goes into producing a technological product, and then giving a shit about the product you make functioning properly even when you're constantly getting fucked out of total compensation so the company can squeeze an extra cent out of this month's expenses. That's how you end up with mystery problems where suddenly your factory is incapable of doing what it's been doing for thirty years.
I don’t know if Boeing does it, but don’t you usually need to pass a security clearance the moment you get into any departments that include includes access to blueprints? How many of those blacks are going to be able to stay off drugs long enough to piss clean on hire date and pass a clearance?
>he only takes the City, not St Louis County stats
You're literally as dumb as the morons.
>imo
It's the square beyond compare.
Unless/Until Lockheed offers a sweeter deal on capex, bribes, etc.
>phantom works expansion
>only $1.8b
So, they're ordering more x-37s?
….but boeing hasn’t even won any recent contracts yet, have they?
the issue with the 737 MAX 8 was that the ~~*plausibly white*~~ designers decided to cut costs and strap big new engines on the existing 1960s era airframe and that the code that was supposed to correct for the weight shift was poorly written by indians
>The government is suing Elon Musk for not hiring illegals to build fucking rockets.
Source?
Just do a basic search bro
gr8 b8 m8
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Elon+musk+sued+for+not+hiring+illegal+aliens
The Justice Department sued Elon Musk’s SpaceX on Thursday, alleging the company routinely discriminated against refugees and asylum seekers in its hiring process.
According to the lawsuit, SpaceX officials said on numerous occasions between 2018 and last year that it could hire only U.S. citizens and green card holders because of restrictive export control laws which govern the use of rocket and missile technology. The federal government cited several cases in which the company made this assertion publicly and listed citizenship as a requirement in job postings, even though “export control laws impose no such hiring restrictions.”
Wow, it's fucking nothing
the letter of ITAR, which is what they're using here-
> U.S. Person - a natural person who is a lawful permanent resident as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3)
protected individual includes those ADMITTED AS an asylee or refugee. the lawsuit has an example where the SpaceX hiring officer said the guy had impressive credentials and still denied incorrectly for ITAR. I wouldn't be surprised if this was handed down from musk personally
https://www.justice.gov/media/1311656/dl?inline
> For example, on or around August 27, 2021, a recruiter rejected an asylee applicant with the code "not authorized to work/ITAR ineligible" and told the applicant that SpaceX could not hire him because he was not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, despite the fact that the hiring manager had noted that the applicant had "some impressive experience listed."
How far is Biden's dick up your ass that you rage on Musk for only hiring Americans?
>US gov sues musk
>"this is your fault for explaining what is happening like I'm five"
Do you think Musk invented tunnels too?
but its true you dumb fuck. need us to spoon feed you all the information you consume? dipshit.
Isn’t that the Boeing location that temporarily shut down due to a union strike?
Pathetic
>The government is suing Elon Musk for not hiring illegals to build fucking rockets.
One of biggest clients of Space X is DoD. Its illegal for them hire to illegals. Fuck, they might have to jump thru few extra hoops to hire legal residents with citizenship of allied nations.
>MAX case was a total failure and exposed how much of a wall-street led shithole Boeing is now
>won't develop any new Aircraft until 2030's while Airbus dominates the market
>tried to buy huehue engineers to their ranks because all the veteran ones are retiring and pajeets can't build shit
>only lifeline now is getting US govt contracts like some third-rate shitter manufacturer
Literally China/Russia tier, but i guess "it's OK when America does it".
Yes, it is ok, now go cry about the ruble being worth less than a cent and cry about china being an embarrassment to communism.
>call out Boeing's shitness comparable to China/Russia
>v-vatnik/c-chink shill
lol, LMAO even, you people don't even read just immediatly bark
America has Lockheed and Northrup Grumman, while Russia has nothing. And no one in the US would ever descrive the absolute state that is Boeing as bring okay.
Both of those companies suck on the teet of the US DoD to survive just like UVZ or UAC do for Russia
Yes but both of those companies make cutting edge aircraft which cannot be said of Sukhoi or MiG who have spent the better part of the last half century rehashing the same outdated airframe.
Things that no longer exist:
>vought
Things that do exist:
>boeing
they would be high skill jobs, surely, the people to fill those jobs will need to move there, I've seen the residents of St. Louis
>Residents of St. Louis
Lol no one lives in St. Louis silly. We all live about 30 minutes from it in an equidistant fashion.
>DoD contractor must hire illegals
Anyone who has worked for contractors or even subcontractors know you have to at least be a legal resident, us citizen, or sponsored visa.
>The government is suing Elon Musk for not hiring illegals to build fucking rockets.
Spacex is being sued for not hiring legal asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants. Get it right, dipshit.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-spacex-discriminating-against-asylees-and-refugees-hiring
>posting retarded facebook tier boomer memes
I guess every contractor handling sensitive information should start hiring asylum seekers from China.
>Missing the point by a mile, intentionally, for some bullshit strawman
National security is something that leads to perfectly acceptable discrimination. You don't hand over sensitive data to people with dual citizenship with hostile nations.
I guess Lockheed-Martin are retarded to continue manufacturing and upgrading F-16. I guess you are too stupid to understand how corporate mergers work.
>Dual citizenship with hostile nations
That isn't what happened, and you know that isn't what happened, you're making up a fictional version of events to justify discrimination.
The world will not improve until the last of people like you are buried.
Unnaturalized foreigners should not be working in sensitive industries full stop.
>That isn't what happened, and you know that isn't what happened, you're making up a fictional version of events to justify discrimination.
National security isn't something that should be compromised to appease hippies with no common sense. Citizenship of hostile nation is perfectly fine reason to deny security clearances for sensitive information. Oh, the China might be bit of hyperbole, but hiring them is literally what you are demanding.
>The world will not improve until the last of people like you are buried.
Your nation will not have safety until retards like you are buried.
it's not a security clearance, it's ITAR, which covers fucking EVERYTHING and you can easily get a waiver for anyways (in this case they didn't even need one since the law DOESN'T APPLY TO ASYLEES AND REFUGEES LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY)
unless you're worried about foreign nationals gaining the state secrets of weapon sights
>it's ITAR
What the fuck is purpose of ITAR? I guess it has something to do with safeguarding sensitive technologies. There are legit criticism over ITAR like its restrictions causing US companies to lose international contracts. As result some companies go extra mile to remove any military derived tech from their civilian products, that might cost them some money and they might lose some competitiveness on market due to ITAR.
>unless you're worried about foreign nationals gaining the state secrets of weapon sights
It might have overreach on not exactly high tech products small arms and sights for small arms, but radar or electro-optical targeting systems for fighters something you might want safeguard.
National security is perfectly fine reason to treat people as guilty until proven innocent. Even your own citizens with immigrant background and no obvious divided loyalties like dual citizenship. As always... you are screeching about racism.
F-22 might be white elephant when it comes to budget bloat, it still is unrivaled fighter, but cutting the production made sense when it comes to budget. With serious hindsight, whole specification of next generation fighter should have been more seriously thought over in 90's. It is essentially pure air superiority platform, in era of multirole fighters.
>are main reason why is Boing so SHIT right now.
With hindsight former McDonnell and Hughes aircraft should have been spun off from McDonnell-Douglas and they should have let the commercial aircraft division of MDC die, the former Douglas. Main driving force for Boeing-MDC merger was MDC's entire product portfolio on commercial airline side being about to become obsolete. Douglas started cutting costs in 60's in R&D even before merger with McDonnell.
Yeah, spacex - famous producer of weapon sights
Yeah, spacex - famous producer of rockets and satellites
Remember when the Clintons sold China a whole bunch of US rocket tech in exchange for campaign contributions and then magically all of China's new ICBMs leapt ahead by 20+ years?
If SpaceX wasn't overly strict they would get sued for being too lenient with ITAR instead.
It doesn't matter if they have a valid case or not.
They want headlines saying MUSK BAD.
Biden admin is at war with Musk because of Twitter Files, Tesla not being controlled by unions and a whole bunch of other overt and covert reasons
This is not some schizo theory. They fucking hate the guy and dance in glee when they can shoot him in the foot.
>I work in aerospace (not with SpaceX)
anon the case is as simple as can be. asylees and refugees are US persons under ITAR. SpaceX is not hiring them based exclusivity on their false understanding that they must be permanent residents or citizens to pass ITAR.
Despite corrective attempts by the DOJ they continued to do so since 2018
to make this fucking clear this is not asylum seekers, this is approved asylees and refugees and ITAR counts them as US persons.
>playing it safe with ITAR/national security measures by not even bothering hiring anybody not born in America
Wtf I thought Musk was a fag??? Is he based?
>the south african who's dad owned shares in a slave labor emerald mine is racist?
>Tesla not being controlled by unions
Unions are based
>I will continue constructing fiction so I can win an argument while misrepresenting it
You can just admit you don't know what you're talking about and are just racist, you know. It's PrepHole.
Security clearances were not and are not the issue, nor was dual citizenship with hostile nations.
ITAR is so sensitive they will ask you about Chinese girls you banged at college and prevented people from posting pictures of SLS on the launch pad. It is also not as clear a regulation as people here are implying and even NASA defaults to overreaction to maintain assurance of compliance. I don’t this suit has a chance in hell
You're confusing ITAR with an actual security clearnce. All ITAR needs is for you to be a US citizen or US person, and asylees and refugees count as the latter explicitly under ITAR SpaceX is incorrectly discriminating against the latter based on their bad interpretation of the law that they've kept even as the DOL has started this investigation and got discovery.
>Unnaturalized foreigners should not be working in sensitive industries full stop.
Ethnic Chinese and Indians who have a single parent or two grandparents from China or India shouldn't be hired for sensitive defense matters, regardless of their own resident or citizen status.
Yes and quite frankly they will 100% be watched even if they are somehow hired.
Indians are fine they’re not one of the no no nationalities but China had explicit government programs to reward ethnic Han who bring trade secrets to China, and that’s for basic shit like the interior lining of coke cans not fucking national security launch capabilities
I'm an immigrant and even I think it's retarded to have unnaturalized foreigners working in defense industries. Most of us have split loyalties (not always 50/50, never 100/0) because that's human nature and anyone who says otherwise is lying or unironically believes that Bruce Jenner is a chick. The latter must be put to death and their opinions ignored.
Now consider how easy it would be to infiltrate a defense contractor who just got sued by its own government for discrimination against us filthy foreigners. Give your agent a couple fake degrees with really good fake grades, a fake work history, have him "flee" persecution and apply to SpaceX who are now obligated to hire your guy because on paper he's better qualified than everyone except the other foreign agents jockeying for the position. This is some legitimate clown world shit.
Now go be a disingenuous gay moron somewhere else.
Spacex isn’t a defense contractor… I have personally built parts on space x and I’m a literal dumbfuck with worthless degrees who sucks at programming cnc mills. Seriously my gcode is slop ass and my methodology heavily relying on gage blocks and drill rod for ax rather than using a CMM will definitely flunk any ISO certification attempt
If I could do it literally anyone in the world can do it
>Spacex isn’t a defense contractor
SpaceX has contracts with the DoD to put satellites in orbit. That is the very definition of a defense contractor. The fact that they work with third parties is irrelevant, and those third parties can hire whomever they want unless they also have contracts with the DoD, in which case ITAR and security clearance standards will apply to said parties as well. Then again I wouldn't expect a retard who can't even write gcode to understand this, so you keep doing your thing and hope that your job doesn't get taken by a thirdie who's used to living on $3/day.
>I have personally built parts on space x
Lots of people have built parts "on" SpaceX. You can buy cubesat space on most commercial launches. That doesn't mean you work for SpaceX, all it means is your employer made a mistake by hiring you.
>this is legitimate clownworld shit
We know, by "we" I mean actual human beings, and there are frighteningly few of and seemingly less and less of us every generation.
USA is in a demographic death spiral, the identity politics and constant group fighting is just a wasting symptom of the disease. There's a solution (multiple really) but it is impossible to enact at this point without causing irreconcilable damage worse than letting the degradation happen.
For starters the welfare system in entirety -and- social security retirement needs to be completely abolished.
Anon you have to realize that all of this ridiculous, seemingly nonsensical shit is pushed around by people who think they're saving the world by "dismantling systems of oppression" and "empowering equality and equity." They're horribly broken people who can't actually be considered as having functional human brains, rather some odd fascimile of the mammalian emotional rat response overriding any possible intervention from the higher cortexes.
>I guess Lockheed-Martin are retarded
Yes, they (and everybody else involved) are retarded for shutting down the F-22 production line. But at least they still have the F-35, and are only updating F-16s for ANG and countries they can't (or are not allowed to) offer F-35s to. What did Boing came up with in past three decades, besides the epic failure that was the X-32 abomination?
>corporate mergers
are main reason why is Boing so SHIT right now. Everybody competent retired/left, and the shell of company is only living from its (and others) past glory, and fucking up anything they touch.
>You don't hand over sensitive data to people with dual citizenship with hostile nations.
Unless the citizenship is Israeli in which case you hand over everything for them to sell straight to China.
I always thought that any major security clearance requires you to renounce your dual citizenship and be solely an American citizen. A good example is my dad: born in England, his dad moved over here during the 60s due to the lack of jobs in the aerospace industry. His dad renounced his citizenship for a security clearance to work in one of the many different aerospace companies (back then) in Connecticut. When my dad joined the Navy back in 1984 he had to renounce his British citizenship in order to become an officer. Maybe they’ve changed it since then but that’s the experience related to me. Guess a lot things have changed since Reagan
Unfortunately you’re wrong on your first part. Korematsu v. United States got overturned by Trump v. Hawaii
Can you even pass security clearances with a dual citizenship from a “hostile” country?
>they sued him for not hiring illegals
>they didn't
>he didn't violate the law
>he did
>I'M LE SILLY
fookin pathetic m8
they didn't hire your brown ass huh
I'm white and I work in aerospace (not with SpaceX)
I don't even think SpaceX should have to hire syrian refugees, I just think you're a retard for not getting the facts of the case correct.
>https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-spacex-discriminating-against-asylees-and-refugees-hiring
Kek I wish for the downfall of this gay empire
retard that's a technicality even the doj doesn't respect. This will be struck down 100%, if not outright dismissed.
>not hiring legal asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants
Lmao so many people clueless ITT.
Those Latinx folk are why the US asylum system has a ten year backlog.
You claim asylum WHEN you illegally immigrate. That’s how it works.
The Chinese are also getting on the border-asylum industrial complex.
>While some individuals can immigrate through skilled migration or investment-based citizenship programs, others take the irregular route by seeking asylum. 走线 (zouxian, “walking the route”) is an internet term that refer to the act of irregular migration to the U.S. via Latin America by foot. A search for this term on Douyin, the Chinese version of TikTok, yields numerous results of users sharing their experiences and tips related to making this journey.
Chinese who are basically copying the same route Latinx use.
Most are doing it because of lure of cash and China being a shithole, but if any of them got a into an ITAR company they’d just as easily be lured by cash back to China.
Whole thing is a setup.
I fail to understand your issue
Those arms
I'd wrestle her for foreplay tbqh
would make her call me sugar
.t touch starved af
Need
>tfw she calls you honey or sugar
St Louis is a fucking shit hole
It is indeed.
Ten minute drive away without traffic but have been in there less than 20 times in 17 years.
Most of which was to Microcenter on Brentwood or by the airport for stuff at Hunter Engineering or the airport itself
https://www.defensedaily.com/boeing-and-lockheed-martin-look-to-3-4-billion-in-local-financing-for-ngad/air-force/
hey are just securing funding in case they do win, both are doing it.
Boeing is a joke.
all these years and STILL no starliner, literally a skeletal company.
>all these years and STILL no starliner
Don't remind me
>After several rounds of competitive development contracts within the Commercial Crew Program starting in 2010, NASA selected the Boeing Starliner, along with SpaceX Crew Dragon, for the Commercial Crew Transportation Capability (CCtCap) contract round. The first crewed test flight test was initially planned to occur in 2017.
>The uncrewed orbital flight test launched on December 20, 2019, but after deployment, an 11-hour offset in the mission clock of Starliner caused the spacecraft to compute that "it was in an orbital insertion burn", when it was not. This caused the attitude control thrusters to consume more fuel than planned, precluding a docking with the International Space Station.
>After a lengthy development process with multiple delays, Boeing flew the Orbital Flight Test 2 on May 19, 2022. As of August 7, 2023 the Crewed Flight Test has been delayed until March, 2024.
>an 11-hour offset in the mission clock
do spacecrafts really rely on fucking timers to perform their stages?
They rely on Indian code monkeys after all.
Number of crew missions launched by Boeing: 0
Number of crew missions launched by SpaceX: 7+3
the ghost of douglas kills another company. never let californians touch or do anything
>another PrepHole SpaceX thread
>ruined by the NG/Boeing/ULA fag who shits on SpaceX and then later tries to defend his Old Space dinosaur
Every time
PrepHole SpaceX thread
This is literally a Boeing NGAD thread ruined by GapeX fanboys.
most black people are retarded so that's not gonna happen
missouri best state in the union, sorry non-missourians, you dont know what its like to be WINNING ALL THE TIME
Make I-70 not be a constantly congested mess and I'll agree with you
Roads are socialism, so no
Just add 1 more lane on each side, I'm begging you. I swear it's the most dangerous interstate in the country with how congested it is
You'll just want another 2 in 5 years or less. It's just not worth it.
Adding lanes usually doesn't help and sometimes makes it worse. When the road is completely saturated in traffic, that means there's even more traffic that's currently going the long way around to avoid that road, but would use that road if the capacity increased. And then you increased the capacity, so now they use that road. The back routes around it might see less traffic, but it itself is not going to improve at all.
That may be true in some cases(a city with dozens of possible routes increasing the size of their main throughway, for example). But interstates are different because the majority of that traffic is going to take the interstate no matter what.
State legislature's working on it, I think they've allocated funding to make it three lanes all across the state.
Maybe in a six-lane urban highway, but going from two lanes to three is a significant improvement, not least because when someone wrecks you can still have two-lane traffic.
>no mountains
pass
Kek is boeing leaving Seattle along with most of big tech?
boeing's been leaving washington for decades
West Coast is about to experience what the Northeast had happen to it when you lose all your industry but the science and services businesses stay.
My wife, who actually is a legal resident alien, got told she couldn't work for US Border Patrol or the FBI because she isn't a US citizen deapite being fluent in Russian and German. Yet Biden sues Musk for not hiring fugees to work on classified tech projects. Lovely.
nice mail order bride commie traitor vatnig
What the fuck? Because nearly every border patrol agent in Southern California is Mexican
>TFW you realize this is about the C-17 replacement not the NGAD
Actually no i'm wrong this is possibly related to the Osprey replacement
>St Lois
Why would an aerospace company base itself in the murder capital of North America?
Central location relatively close to the corporate HQ of Chicago, Cheapish, right on the Mississippi, decent enough sized population to find workers..... cons are presumably going to be low Int work force but with a population of 1mil i'll assume they can find enough at the right quality.
So, basically, Elon doesn’t want to hire barely-literate morons with fake college degrees? Why are these "refugees" going for SpaceX to the point of getting the attention of the government? Seems weird.