Boeing won and now congress wants to trash the entire program

Boeing won and now congress wants to trash the entire program

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yea? Proofs?????

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Congress isn't involved at all, it's all the Air Force. A bigger reason could be that they got saddled with Sentinel, and are making puppy eyes at Congress for more funding, but imo they aren't begging for funding, they're almost saying it's a foregone conclusion they don't want to do NGAD as is anymore.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TLDR: USAF 4-star David Allvin said some stuff that makes it sound like NGAD is on shaky ground, the other week, and things have been getting murkier since then. Apart from loss of confidence in Boeing and overall issues with the budget, the main theme has been lifecycle management of loyal wingman designs, with Allvin implying that NGAD is looking less fit-for-purpose as USAF reevaluates how it iterates on secondary/tertiary/collaborative airframes.

      https://defenseone.com/policy/2024/06/what-will-happen-air-forces-next-gen-fighter-jet/397453
      https://breakingdefense.com/2024/06/allvin-no-decision-made-on-ngad-but-difficult-choices-loom
      https://airandspaceforces.com/allvin-hedges-ngad-fighter-future

      It turns out the only peer enemy for the USAF may be the USN. Kinda hard to justify making something that beats everything you currently have based on the increasing realization that one geopolitical rival lies constantly and the other one lies constantly, is drunk, incompetent, and incapable of producing anything more advanced than 80s tech.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >other one lies constantly, is drunk, incompetent, and incapable of producing anything more advanced than 80s tech.
        But enough about the USAF

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Congress isn't involved at all, it's all the Air Force
      Who funds the Airforce, anon?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Congress, but they are fully funding NGAD, and haven't raised a single public concern Classification is no barrier, they can say whatever they want, and we can see the topline value of NGAD in the J books and funding bills.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all the hate for Boeing seems like a psyop at this point

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actual moron
      Just look at shitliner

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        people who aren't spaceflight autists don't know how bad the starliner fiasco was. they don't realise that we would have been relying on Russia to get to the space station until literally this week, since the last shuttle flight, which would have signficantly impacted our response to the invasion of Ukraine.

        they don't know about the failed test that was ignored, they don't understand how late it is, they don't understand how easy it should have been. it's the equivalent of Volvo being unable to make a mid sized sedan

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you for injecting reality into this shithole. The U.S. landed PEOPLE on the fricking MOON and fly them BACK over 50 FRICKING YEARS AGO. Star liner SHOULD have been the equivalent of a passenger van, and yet BOEING of all people with a huge budget kept failing OVER AND OVER. It’s was becoming a fricking disgrace. That’s real, that’s what’s happening in the real world right now.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they don't realise that we would have been relying on Russia to get to the space station until literally this week, since the last shuttle flight, which would have signficantly impacted our response to the invasion of Ukraine.
          You forgot the, if spacex hadn't already returned us to american space travel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        people who aren't spaceflight autists don't know how bad the starliner fiasco was. they don't realise that we would have been relying on Russia to get to the space station until literally this week, since the last shuttle flight, which would have signficantly impacted our response to the invasion of Ukraine.

        they don't know about the failed test that was ignored, they don't understand how late it is, they don't understand how easy it should have been. it's the equivalent of Volvo being unable to make a mid sized sedan

        All I can say is thank God for SpaceX. Without the Falcon 9, the US would still be relying on Russia to send astronauts into space. There is no way that would be happening now, given the current geopolitical climate.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Frick spacex, frick elon, and frick private space companies

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why, intelligent person?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            private companies are the only way anything has ever gotten done

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >private companies are the only way anything has ever gotten done

              Private companies built Notre Dame and the Roman Aqueducts? The Castles still standing in Europe?

              kek.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Private companies built Notre Dame and the Roman Aqueducts? The Castles still standing in Europe?
                Not sure about the Aqueducts, but those other things were designed and build by what we'd now call subcontractors, so yes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Notre Dame is getting rebuilt by private contractors, and largely funded by private donations...

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which private company will sell me thermonuclear ICBMs?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hopefully PSA will soon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Boeing makes them, but they won't sell them to you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I love when people say shit like this
            Who do you think built the Saturn V? The Apollo lander? Do you think nasa has a rocket engine factory?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NASA has contracted MIC companies to build its spacecraft from day 1, anon. Go look at who built Saturn V or any other American rocket.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s like saying Thank God for Ford or else we’d have to buy our 4-door family sedans from Japan. Why are we even in the position of being challenged in that to fricking begin with? It’s wild, absurd, that our private industry just barely makes space work. SpaceX has ridiculous amounts of funding and the best modeling lab on the planet and they still struggle with what appears to be solvable problems like burning up control surfaces and heat tiles falling off. The world gets to see this ridiculous spectacle of SpaceX running failed "tests" over and over. I’m not even talking about the constant stream of failures coming out of the space startups.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Running "failed tests" over and over worked with Falcon 9 and Heavy though and now they repeatedly go into orbit with barely any failures to speak of

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is a warning to others
            stupid posts like is what happens when you dont go to engineering school

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a perfect storm of easy media fearmongering clicks, the existent schizo/skeptic culture that latched onto the whisteblower suicide, Boeing getting totally fricked on fixed price contracts and actual Boeing safety culture degradation and a ton of whistleblowers that means they are now seen as totally about to collapse and unable to deliver any product.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gonna add onto here that its more than the safety stuff.
        so I don't know much but my old man worked their defense contracts for decades and got to somewhere just below actually having to be a manager of some kind.
        boeing has deals and expectations and history with HOW they are meant to do things, approach things, put certain stuff in, in a certain way, that are EXPECTED from their clients.
        Their military clients most of all, whom have THEIR way of doing things and you need to do it their way.
        Boeings new blood was repeatedly coming in, not realizing that, and fricking things up in the talks with their clients due to a lack of what should have been basic knowledge for them to know given their task.

        Now this doesn't necessarily mean that the new blood were fricking idiots.
        There was a distinct lack of knowledge transfer of literal decades of accumulated business relationships and work on the systems being used from the old guys to the new guys.

        This is something that has been going on for decades anon.
        Boeings older clients have had a front row seat to a decline in quality with the newer blood's knowledge of both the product AND the agreements for decades.

        all the hate for Boeing seems like a psyop at this point

        Boeing enjoyed a LOT of privileges it normally shouldn't by being THE gold standard of quality in aviation, anon.
        they fricked that up, and have a long way to fall.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Boeing getting totally fricked on fixed price contracts
        Those contracts were easily profitable had Boeing been competent. They fricked themselves.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe they should stop making things that fall apart then.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sup Grayson, how’s the weather in nova?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Blink twice if Boeing sharholders have a bomb implanted in your colon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not under any threat. In fact this nice man is following me around. I'm sure nothing will happen to me while he's around.
        Now if you excuse me, I need to use the bathroom.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dude the Boeing starliner is 16 years post design, 8 years late cost billions of build, still doesn't work and cost 6 times more per launch than everything and lifts less. Then the 777 and about 3 other things
      Boeing only exist because old money born rich buttholes rent out magapede republicans who have spent almost a decade doubling down on stupid shit. Just like sls.

      It shouldn't exist and anyone voting for that shit with public funds should be hung for treason. Not fired or jailed, FRICKING hung. It's FRICKING treasonous when you go over the 14 FRICKING years of shit those same republican buttholes pulled. They nearly killed space x and recently delayed Starship launches for 2 cumulative years. They hired local mosquito experts and the FAA to block launches I'm not making that up. They said a polluted swamp would have it's mosquitoes killed off due to starship launches for together 2 years.
      I think their shills should be locked up for gross ignorance every time they talk online about it. They don't even know the fuel types or what a full flow engine is or what Leo or geo is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're fricking killing consumers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is this true? Do Boeing have a worse safety record than other types?
        I know they are doing a lot bean counting horseshit but the amount of shit being flung at them is starting to smell funky like there is some political implications

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By who? The US government? Why isn't there an equivalent smear campaign against Lockheed?
      Their failures have just become frequent and public enough that even normies are beginning to notice their long decline.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What failures have happened over at lockheed? Their last hypersonic tests were successful and congress is all about hypersonic shit because of china. The only bad thing I have ever heard of lockheed is them bribing some people like 60 years ago.

        Boeing has been going down the shitter for a long time now. It's nothing new.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. ARRW failed and the Air Force is not requesting any budget for it. HAWC’s last test was over a year ago with no news on it while DARPA is continuing the develop the tech. CPS isn’t even done the design phase. ARRW was supposed to be Lockheed’s entry into the hypersonic field and they FAILED.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >previously, the ARRW had strung together mixed results from testing. The last all-up round tests in fiscal 2023 appear to have been successes.
            https://www.airandspaceforces.com/arrw-hypersonic-missile-tested-final-time-but-really-the-end/

            The final three tests were not disclosed whether they were successful or not. However, as of may 2024 lockheed has been approved for nearly a billion for hypersonic missile testing which means the ARRW tests were probably promising.

            https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2014-05-17-US-Army-Awards-Lockheed-Martin-756-Million-Hypersonic-Weapon-System-Contract

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nope. ARRW failed and the Air Force is not requesting any budget for it. HAWC’s last test was over a year ago with no news on it while DARPA is continuing the develop the tech. CPS isn’t even done the design phase. ARRW was supposed to be Lockheed’s entry into the hypersonic field and they FAILED.

              lockheed also unveiled a couple months ago the Mako, a hypersonic missile that can be used in the storage bays of the f35.

              Lockheed has been working with hypersonics for like 50 years now. The ARRW probably got cancelled for being too expensive and not really worth it. It's last test didn't fail, especially since they were given $750 million to make new hypersonics. They wouldn't have given them more money if the ARRW was a failure.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't know about the Freedom-class

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Congrats Boeing Employee, you get to live, for this pay period.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bubba Southman here from North Bethesda autonomous zone. This post has convinced me that Boeing's business practices were industry standard and not gross neglect of one of the most storied American companies of the 20th century. I only wish my employer, Lockheed Martin, could match the clarion example set by legacy McDonald Douglas's upper management.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    competency crisis

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >7 Year old image
    anything new?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you blame them?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    caius

    TLDR: USAF 4-star David Allvin said some stuff that makes it sound like NGAD is on shaky ground, the other week, and things have been getting murkier since then. Apart from loss of confidence in Boeing and overall issues with the budget, the main theme has been lifecycle management of loyal wingman designs, with Allvin implying that NGAD is looking less fit-for-purpose as USAF reevaluates how it iterates on secondary/tertiary/collaborative airframes.

    https://defenseone.com/policy/2024/06/what-will-happen-air-forces-next-gen-fighter-jet/397453
    https://breakingdefense.com/2024/06/allvin-no-decision-made-on-ngad-but-difficult-choices-loom
    https://airandspaceforces.com/allvin-hedges-ngad-fighter-future

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GRUMMANCHADS WE CAN'T STOP WINNING

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wish Northrop-Grumman still produces fighter jets to contest the duopoly of Boeing and Lockheed Martin

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Boeing gets rugged its because their management sucks, the regulators were simultaneously in bed with them, and those same regulators had so jacked up the costs of aerospace manufacturing that Boeing faces virtually no competition either in the civilian airliner market or in the defense market.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No competition.
      >You now remember that they and Airbus now agreed to absolutely moronic amounts of tech transfers to be allowed to build planes in China so that they could save a bit of money on wages and marginally boost their profit in the short term.
      >Oh look, China did exactly what you'd expect them to do and has a state funded airline company now that is dumping cheap shit on the market because it can afford to run at a huge loss because the state has trillions in trade surpluses.
      >Wow, it's almost like a short sighted focus on profits and hatred of having to pay employees when more money could go to management and owners created their greatest competition in decades.

      Add in the safety frickery based on short term profits and the company is dying. But then this is also hurting US defense and boosting China, but what else is new? We've literally given trillions in infrastructure and tech transfers to our biggest rival, and moved a huge amount of our economic activity there to leave our rust belt areas addicted to cheap Chinese shit and fentanyl. What could go wrong?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was good for the stock price and if you have a problem with this then you're a godless commie

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was good for the stock price and if you have a problem with this then you're a godless commie

        I seriously cannot think of a bigger example of the worst MIC, shareholder suckoff, short-term-profits-citizen-sacrifice bullshit that's killing us than Boeing. They're the poster child for oligarch crony capitalism from top to bottom, and should probably all be roundly executed. I'm not even a commie but how people can't see it and revile it is beyond me at this point. I'm just glad more and more people are saying it between this, games, and housing prices, even on here. Feels like the zeitgeist has shifted, even if it ain't to a great place.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Death to speculators death to shareholders unlimited genocide on leeches

          JOIN US

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/mtu6mo8.png

            [...]
            I seriously cannot think of a bigger example of the worst MIC, shareholder suckoff, short-term-profits-citizen-sacrifice bullshit that's killing us than Boeing. They're the poster child for oligarch crony capitalism from top to bottom, and should probably all be roundly executed. I'm not even a commie but how people can't see it and revile it is beyond me at this point. I'm just glad more and more people are saying it between this, games, and housing prices, even on here. Feels like the zeitgeist has shifted, even if it ain't to a great place.

            So...you say that if I had to join them today (not commercial) as overseas it would be a bad deal?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/mtu6mo8.png

            [...]
            I seriously cannot think of a bigger example of the worst MIC, shareholder suckoff, short-term-profits-citizen-sacrifice bullshit that's killing us than Boeing. They're the poster child for oligarch crony capitalism from top to bottom, and should probably all be roundly executed. I'm not even a commie but how people can't see it and revile it is beyond me at this point. I'm just glad more and more people are saying it between this, games, and housing prices, even on here. Feels like the zeitgeist has shifted, even if it ain't to a great place.

            https://i.imgur.com/DDOnRva.jpeg

            >No competition.
            >You now remember that they and Airbus now agreed to absolutely moronic amounts of tech transfers to be allowed to build planes in China so that they could save a bit of money on wages and marginally boost their profit in the short term.
            >Oh look, China did exactly what you'd expect them to do and has a state funded airline company now that is dumping cheap shit on the market because it can afford to run at a huge loss because the state has trillions in trade surpluses.
            >Wow, it's almost like a short sighted focus on profits and hatred of having to pay employees when more money could go to management and owners created their greatest competition in decades.

            Add in the safety frickery based on short term profits and the company is dying. But then this is also hurting US defense and boosting China, but what else is new? We've literally given trillions in infrastructure and tech transfers to our biggest rival, and moved a huge amount of our economic activity there to leave our rust belt areas addicted to cheap Chinese shit and fentanyl. What could go wrong?

            Frick off commies. No one will ever buy into your failed ideology. No dumb person ever invented anything and made millions. No poor person ever gave me a job. Think of that, cucks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You couldn't force me to get on a chink made aircraft. I wouldn't fly on one for a million dollars. Especially if it's based on boeing airliner engineering. That thing is a fricking death trap.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone remember when the F-35 was bombed by the news for nearly a decade to the point every half-wit friend of yours could repeat the "it costs a trillion dollars and they made no planes lmao!" line,
    And the reality is the F-35 is a fantastic platform?

    I wouldn't worry about NGAD.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And the reality is the F-35 is a fantastic platform
      Still untested.
      To be frank, the Raptor really hasn't either.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The F-15, F-16, and F/A-18 have all been combat tested and proven to be the best at what they do. The US tests the F-22, and F-35 against them, and they come out on top. So, I have full confidence they're better than their predecessors.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Taking simulated combat as an indicator of a weapon's real-world performance is like having VR sex and claiming to be an expert on pleasuring a woman.

          Untested means untested.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. The US military is less likely to bullshit than the Chinks, Russkies, or Iranians, to be sure, but until these birds start racking up kills like the F-16 and the F-15 did, I'm not passing judgement on their effectiveness or ineffectiveness.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a good thing you're both fricking morons. The F-35 has seen combat.

            Everyone remember when the F-35 was bombed by the news for nearly a decade to the point every half-wit friend of yours could repeat the "it costs a trillion dollars and they made no planes lmao!" line,
            And the reality is the F-35 is a fantastic platform?

            I wouldn't worry about NGAD.

            This might come as a shock, but Boeing and Lockheed Martin are different companies.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "Simulated" US testing is harder than actual combat.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking ghost planes
          F-35s look so stupid until they're in the air, then they look some untouchable mix of a PNG in photoshop and a UFO

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >look so stupid
            what? they look fricking great

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And the reality is the F-35 is a fantastic platform?
      It is now. 4 years ago it was an absolute dumpster fire. Still less than 40% of the entire fleet across all 3 branches in flying condition.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >4 years ago it was an absolute dumpster fire
        Anon you still think it's 2019?
        The "F-35 is a dumpster fire" is circa 2015, by 2020 the F-35 was already proving the naysayers wrong.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >less than 40% in flying condition
        Tards are still repeating this, eh?
        "Not fully mission capable" doesn't mean "busted." It just means that there is some issue that technically disqualifies the aircraft from flying any one of the missions it could potentially be sent out to perform. This could mean anything from "the engine is gone" to "it needs a new paint job."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The F-16 was a massive failure in the beginning, and they turned out pretty good. One of our most successful aircraft.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Boeing has never developed their own successful fighter jet.
      >but what about the...
      Inherited/acquired. They've never designed there own. Look it up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve been saying for a year now that I’m skeptical NGAD will get off the ground. The key reasons:
    1. Shrinking budget
    2. Competency crisis in American tech
    3. Leaving global security
    Basically, the U.S. can’t or won’t pay to maintain extreme overmatch anymore and the competency crisis makes a next-gen program too risky.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > .... (blah blah blah) Competency crisis

      have a nice day recency biased fricktard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What proof do you have that the US military is not in the sorriest state its been in since 1940? Just because our adversaries are corrupt doesn't me we're still at our pinnacle.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >our adversaries
          yes yes i agree with you concerned comrade John from Ohio
          (youre a homosexual)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The US military from the mid 70s to the mid 80s was fricking trash, they didn't start unfricking themselves till after Grenada

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what proof do you have that my unverifiable claim isn’t true
          Jesus christ fricking third world education

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          here have a preview of the propaganda and shit i'm compressing and shit for a /gif/ thread one day.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            rangers lead the way anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >walking in dark
            >walking in dark with nods
            >walking in dark with flashlight
            >landing in dark
            >shooting tracers into the dark
            >prone in the dark
            UHRAW

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          DEI is killing people.

          Did you guys watch the latest PBD Podcast?

          How about those trannies? And Joe Bidens CIA mask? Crazy stuff am I right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DEI is killing people.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Strong white men killed themselves just fine. Bad safety culture kills surer than anything. You being a higher IQ gives you maybe a 10% extra margin of being a shitbag, nothing more.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            wait so you admit youre borwn, less intelligent and are jealous of america, thats so funny

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry, pajeet. But you can't engineer for shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Too bad it's not the people who should be killed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the "Competency Crisis" is just the realization that humans are moronic in general

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Congress is right to want to trash it. The whole idea behind the NGAD program is fricking moronic. It's basically building less than 300 ultra-specialized, hyper-expensive, futuristic fighter jets to manage the battlespace from afar while AI-controlled loyal wingmen do the actual fighting. What happens if one of those NGAD fighter gets shot down? It'll be as expensive as the loss of a B2 Spirit. Plus the Air Force is fricking moronic, needs to start taking the UAP whistleblowers seriously and consider the very real possibility that the US might have to actually engage and shoot down hostile extraterrestrial aerial incursions in its airspace. I ain't even joking btw.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >UAP whistleblowers seriously
      Anon stop taking podcast gloryhounds seriously.
      There's declassified solved UAP cases. Time and time again pilots freak out about a UAP and file a report. The military investigates. Finds out it was a fricking balloon used in Stinger missile training. They hang a burning flare on a balloon for the heat seeker to lock into, sometimes the missile hits the tether and the balloon comes loose and drifts towards air bases or the sea where the US Navy is operating.
      The UAP whistleblowers are taking advantage out of most of these investigations being sealed - because otherwise the phenomenon of "WAAAAA I SAW SOMETHING OUT THERE" and getting embarrassed when the case is solved enters the public discourse.
      Same thing happened with Starlink and airline pilots. For decades pilots flew around without that low orbit constellation and never had to be told what Starlink looks like when flying in an airliner. Now that the number of satellites in that orbit has grown they're all seeing UFOs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The whole idea behind the NGAD program is fricking moronic
      Anon, NGAD is classified, public talks are meaningless because nobody of the public knows it's capabilities.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boeing is notorious for bungling stuff like this and stealing taxpayer money while doing sweet F.A.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      See the XS-1 spaceplane (apt name)
      boeing strung the Government along for seven years until they had to demo what they had. They promptly quit. No hardware was seen apart from one or two space shuttle engine test firings.
      It wouldn't surprise me if they were essentially blacklisted at this point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Boeing sucks at space then why could they build the nancy roman telescope?
      Checkmate, libtards

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread

    Literally every US fighter development program that isn't a crash program goes like this:

    >Program is started, air force/navy and the prime contractor talk about how great it's going to be and how it's going to provide a capability that no other aircraft can fill. Initial budget is approved by the congress, then immediately called into question for being too high but also too low to realistically deliver an aircraft.
    >Program runs into its first teething issues. Congress slashes the budget quoting concerns about the program's viability, and demands to know why it's even needed if more mature fighter designs exist that could be used to fulfill the role.
    >Budget cuts cause program to be delayed and unit cost increased. Congress admonishes the AF/navy and the contractor for the price increases and mishaps, and threatens to cancel the program. Contractor farms out key parts of the manufacturing to important congresspeoples' districts to keep enough support for the program to continue.
    >Program languishes in budget hell for about half a decade and issues that could have been fixed in months are carried over into the IOC period where production aircraft are already delivered to and flown by the AF/navy. Congress drip-feeds barely adequate funding to the program. Final order amount gets slashed in small increments budget after budget.
    >Program is "completed" and the fighter is nominally fully operationally capable. Total number delivered is about half of what the AF/navy wanted. AF/navy starts considering a new fighter development program to fill the gap between the shortfall and retiring older airframes.
    >Program is considered long gone but prime contractor and AF/navy continue to work out remaining issues. After years of service, the fighter actually reaches maturity with an acceptable or even good availability rate and reliability, while performing 10x better than anything that potential adversaries have.
    >Process repeats

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    looks cool

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Flying shovel

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be USAF pilot
    >if it's Boeing, I ain't going SIR

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >acquisition process is so fricked up. From the Materiel Development Decision to Full Operational Capability, each program is filled with billions of dollars of waste
    And somehow you homosexuals are surprised every time something happens, a cancellation, or congress wants to cut.
    It’s a shitshow from top to bottom

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok follow me on this one. Why not just use b21s as air superiority fighters? You can load a shit ton of large AA missiles on them, they are undetectable, they don't need to maneuver because of this, have all the electronics needed to communicate with loyal wingman so just one flock can take out every j20 built. The NGAD won't have the control surfaces of the f22 anyways so it's not going to be nearly maneuverable as old fighters they are just building it with advanced electronics and stealth in mind which the b-21 already has.

    Hell, even the rumored capabilities of the RQ-180 basically being a stealth awacs and control platform would be able to control all the loyal wingman it would ever need. It doesn't even need to carry it's own weapons. We should just be dumping all our r&d funds into better missile systems. Make larger, more maneuverable and capable BVR missiles with multiple targeting systems to avoid jamming, EW, flares, and stealth. Make your loyal wingman large enough to carry the extra large AA missiles. Done.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree but the top speed is low I think

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they should load b-1s with air launched rim-174s

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know the meme when a person mysteriously dies and people ask "What did they know about the Clintons?" Well, for the MIC when a person dies suddenly and mysteriously, it's now "What did they know about Boeing?"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even Sully talked shit about boeing when they had some software bug that wasn't properly tested. Pretty much everyone in the world knows that boeing puts profits above everything else.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sauce? Because I haven't heard anything about it.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Future is mass drones, not highly sophisticated and expensive stealth air craft.

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