>blanket few square kms of commie blocks with white phosphorus
What are the odds this actually does some damage to the garrison?
Appears to be Bakhmut.
>blanket few square kms of commie blocks with white phosphorus
>blanket few square kms of commie blocks with white phosphorus
What are the odds this actually does some damage to the garrison?
Appears to be Bakhmut.
Wait a moment
didn't russians capture 90% of the city?
Are they bombarding their own?
Well obviously Ruskies got majority but Ukraine still has a presence. I guess thats what we are looking at getting flamed
For a city they have legally captured, they sure are bombing the fuck out of it
You should see what they are doing to Belgorod
Wagner gets the phosphorus, too.
Wagner can have a little phosphorus, as a treat
They are bombing the last 8% of hohols control. How do you like your pork?
Russian.
I assume there's some sort of a grey zone, which neither of the sides control. So vatniks just AoE half the city for a good measure.
Some damage? Pretty high. That smoke is nasty stuff
How effective is it going through windows? I'd imagine there is not 1 intact window left in that city.
It's thermite, not white phosphorous.9M22S Grad rockets. Not very effective against concrete buildings, though it probably started a few fires.
Cope. Russia has killed 0 Ukrainians in this entire war or else I would've seen it happen on r/CombatFootage or PrepHole at least once yet I've seen zero combat footage videos of a Russian soldier killing a Ukrainian.
Retarded no chem books. Phosphorus pentoxide is a potent dessicant. It will absorb water from your eyes nose and throat and make you cough like hell. Not toxic. Not corrosive.
really are just chimping out
>Switches to WHOT
>It's just a bunch of blips
I guess concrete doesn't burn so good.
Looks like piggies are starting to regret their little Kremlin stunt hmmm?
>(you) are a moron gay
🙂
anon tries not the seethe over a drone challenge ;
(impossible)
Not really, no
That's west bakhmut, the layout of the buildings is pretty characteristic
yeah, drone looking NE hovering somewhere around 48.588704, 37.963642 area
Didn't russnoids claim they captured this like 2 months ago???
Did vatBlackidians lie again?
nope, I think it was not captured yet
they're desperate to dislodge what's left of the ukrainian force before meme day.
a wasteful fight on both sides
How hard is it really to saturate the area with thermobaricks though? They should fuck up people even behind cover right?
>How hard is it really to saturate the area with thermobaricks though?
Hard when you have none left, nor the ability to get the few you do have to B-ACKMOOT.
Human beings are pretty resilient and explosions peter out fast.
This is a BBQ'd corpse. They were dead before they got cooked.
So it can go inside and fuck up anyone sleeping or stored ammo. Still it looks wasteful
how did this happen?
Thermobaric rocket from a TOS-1A
Also to clarify the burnt out corpse video is the result of a thermobaric rocket.
The video in the OP are 9M22S incendiary rockets that Russia has been using throughout the war. The original purpose of the rocket was to ignite things like ammo dumps or flush infantry out of dry vegetation or ignite fuel depots - you get the idea. However, in this example and throughout the conflict they use it pretty much as a terror and demoralization weapon.
The contents of the rocket are a hexagonal magnesium alloy cup (ML-5) filled with a thermite-type powder. When detonated it looks very similar to White Phosphorous, but they are definitely not the same.
Is this real? Something about the production values feels off to me.
this is why it is morally ok to enjoy all the drones videos of mobik being obliterated
It's a good question, I always wanted to know what advantage it has over regular arty, maybe it's cheaper, maybe it has a wider area denial zone, maybe it can go through buildings, I know termite can go through metal like it's nothing so it could fuck up equipment and vehicles pretty easy, but not sure about white phosphorous
WP needs alot of oxygen to combustsand sucks it all out of the air for a long duration to burn and if it penetrates burns your inside.
Flamethrowers were the same on bunkers actually they did more damage consuming all the oxygen than actual fire damage
Addtionally the smoke become phosphic acid when mixed with water if close IE nose mouth lungs eyes sweat.
We used to use shake and bake where we shelled ISIS to get them to run in cover than cook them.
In an open area HE/Frag is much better than WP but WP ignores cover.
Thermobarics also ignores cover as the fuel spreads around corners and through windows trying to find air to ignite the fuel before exploding so prevents the wall from attentuating the blast and blacking the normal shrapnel.
We use them on caves so the fuel spread through all the air in the cave before exploding to clear the whole thing.
That said we havent got to using anything but standard HE and frag for years now outside the November hellfires but i dont really count those.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire
Novembers
https://www.asil.org/insights/volume/9/issue/37/use-white-phosphorus-munitions-us-military-forces-iraq
Shake and bake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon
Should be noted mine explosions and mill explosions are therobaric explosions hence why they are so deadly.
Note this is way more thermite than the little russian bomblets so actually far more effective
Also as far as thermite goes the US still uses it but its more an equipment destruction as its safe to use the gernades of it while in the same room standing next to it.
I honestly cant think of a single reason to ever use it in artillery.
Maybe becuase its dirt cheap to make as opposed to cluster muntions which would be alot more complex techically.
WP is primarily used for smoke screens. It's used in older incindiaries.
Incindiaries have a few uses. Very high burning temps let you destroy armored equipment. They aren't terribly effective in the context of concrete buildings.
The problem with these meme shells is the fire doesn't really last all that long unlike other incendiary shells, so they don't even start to suffocate the people in buildings.
>The problem with these meme shells is the fire doesn't really last all that long unlike other incendiary shells, so they don't even start to suffocate the people in buildings.
WP smoke melts your skin
Except this isn't WP
>Except this isn't WP
for the sake of the Ukrainian soldiers, I hope that's true.
>What happened in Fellujah?
we used a weapon that creates smoke that melts people's skin in a densely populated city and killed a shit ton of civilians knowingly.
>creates smoke that melts people's skin
wat? you dont actually believe this do you?
>you dont actually believe this do you?
no, everyone knows wiskey pete is good for your skin
It was mentioned briefly in Dexter Filkins book.
Did the Iraqis know what it was when it was falling?
>Did the Iraqis know what it was when it was falling?
I doubt it since they were supposedly trying to put it out with water
Most likely 9M22S, have none of you fucks claiming it's WP ever seen WP?
WP directly on the skin will obviously melt the skin, that however was not the claim.
the smoke is caustic
but yeah it actually doesn't look like WP
that's just your standard inbred arab though with her little future martyrs though.
>with her little future martyrs though.
if they weren't before they are now.
Reminder, Iraq did absolutely nothing to us and the entire war, which killed a million Iraqis, was based on lies.
>killed millions of Iraqis
NMP
>millions
I said it killed a million
Still don't care, plus you're brown
>Still don't care, plus you're brown
lol Pfc. Martinez has to pretend to be white while shilling for globohomo
Better than shilling for the mongol hordes dumb brownoid. Imagine being such a contrarian you actively root for the ones trying to destroy you
>million
No amount of iraqis died. The most accepted estimates is like 300-500k. Majority of the deaths surrounding that is due to secular infighting among the locals.
Those Lolocaust grade numbers are estimates of some muh human rights groups. Didn't happen.
>which killed a million Iraqis
pull the other one
good morning shlomo
>we used a weapon that creates smoke that melts people's skin in a densely populated city and killed a shit ton of civilians knowingly.
its not a war crime when we commit a war crime!
>its not a war crime when we commit a war crime!
it's not hypocrisy it's hierarchy
>ywn be sat in a reinforced commiebloc basement with your bros, respirators on, moron rigged scrubbers running full tilt, waiting for the smoke to clear
why live
So is it actually Phos this time? Every time someone freaks out about this it ends up being Magnesium or some shit.
No it's thermite. Has always been thermite.
Oh yeah, thermite is so much gentler than willy pete, you absolute fucking clown.
The smoke isn't nearly as bad
How bad is the smoke, as someone cares about tinnitus
Thermite was replaced by most western military forces as incendiary munitions in WWII due to not being effective...
Doesn't look as bad from ground. They're even joking how they can now make a bungalo. Byt maybe that's before their square gets hit.
Beside making lot of smoke that is harmful, is this even effective?
Try getting some sleep like this. I think that's the intention honestly.
to what end though?
Who knows.
Spoiling fires, like
said.
whats their endgame?
Are they razing the city to prepare for retreat?
Scorched Earth. Classic vatmoron tactics.
>What are the odds this actually does some damage to the garrison?
depends, do they mind if their skin is melting?
isnt that just a myth
>isnt that just a myth
ask Fallujah
What happened in Fellujah?
that shit was never supposed to be used on cities... this is made for open fields or forested area..
You are practically turning all those concrete blocks into furnaces, shits gotta be hot as hell in there.
good thing they do that at night and spread wide so the effects are at full force....
oh wait...
Night or day won't save your ass from feeling like you are turning into roast beef.
good thing the town is 90% in the hand of the Ukrainian or else it could be bad for the russian too.... of wait
No, they're thick concrete meant to insulate against cold, but heat works the same way
Concrete and Heat Survivability.
User
Is a concrete building a good insulator against heat? If I stayed in one during a great fire would I survive?
ChatGPT
Concrete is not a good insulator against heat, as it has a high thermal conductivity, which means that it can transfer heat quickly. In the case of a great fire, a concrete building may offer some protection from flames and smoke, but it would not necessarily provide insulation from the intense heat generated by the fire.
Whether or not you would survive in a concrete building during a great fire would depend on a number of factors, such as the size and intensity of the fire, the structural integrity of the building, and your location within the building. It is important to note that even if you were able to survive the fire itself, there may be other hazards associated with being in a burning building, such as smoke inhalation, which can be very dangerous. In any emergency situation, it is important to follow the guidance of local authorities and evacuate if necessary.
>great fire
Guess they're safe then
Is a volley of grada hitting your commie block a little fire? Or maybe a medium one?
Based on the videos inside the "great fire"
I mean. It's a joke, a show meant for the fagnerites swinging sticks at the defenders so they don't eat their grenade for another 2 weeks
A little fire.
Australian here. I'm quite serious.
It's always fun watching foreigners freak out over a literal flash in the pan
You fucking retard. Chat GPT is just autofill, not some all knowing god.
Concrete is great for fire protection.
It's even used in firefighter training. It will eventually start breaking apart under massive continuous fire, but it's very resilient
We are talking HEAT not fire retard
same shit different day
ChatGPT lies, or makes things up. Basically learn for yourself instead of acting like some kind of trailer park cretin incapable of understanding.
Concrete has similar thermal conductivity to insulation bricks for furnaces.
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
ChatGPT is going to ruin the world because sub90IQ retards will assume it is always 100% correct in anything it says and will simply stop thinking
Imagine what happens when it actually stops being stilted and becomes charismatic…
It already has. I had a group uni assignment a few weeks ago where someone kept trying to use ChatGPT and getting called out for it. Once it's good enough not to be super easy to spot its writing it's going to be a total nightmare for education admins, since they're going to have to do their fucking job and have real assessments to test knowledge, like exams, instead of cop out course programs using arts and craft assignments that are basically vocational education.
>vocational education
Vocational education is unironically important. The problem is worse than education though
These people are simply not going to come out of these courses with any knowledge, understanding or skills. So either they’ll be underemployed or worse, incompetent and employed. Imagine a world where someone can get a job as a civil engineer after using ChatGPT9 to do all their course work. People will actually die kek.
Teachers are already talking about how impossible it is to educate K-12 for the last 5 ish years. It’s not going to get better. The west is going to have a massive unskilled, maladaptive, anti social underclass in 10-20 years. Those iPad babies are going to be adults one day
I’m d00ming a bit, I think it’ll probably correct in about a decade tbqh
>Vocational education is unironically important.
I agree with you, which is why we shouldn't let universities deliver it. It needs specialised facilities, clear goals and a completely different education framework to be delivered properly (competency based).
What 90% of the degrees that colleges and universities award actually represent is a grab bag of easy to teach and easy to run courses that possess as little academic rigor as possible and deliver close to zero useful skills. They are, essentially, vocational degrees in pretending to be university educated.
The remaining 10% of programs can be saved. Almost every course in the engineering department, including civil engineering for eg, has enough critical content that can be tested in conditions that AI can't influence.
Schools though? Gone to the wolves. Teachers can't educate K-12 because they're useless low achievers, and worse still products of the colleges I've described. Most teachers are low achievers, lazy, entitled and not vey bright. Those who can't do -
Internationally maybe we'll find solutions from places with good teachers, but more likely the only passable schools in the west in 10 years will be storied and old private schools who have built their own successful systems and cultures for the last x hundred years, and selective schools. Education beyond those will be an individual affair.
GPT, write a short fictional account about how the war is deescalated via the core Russian leadership and their families being exiled to a tiny but comfortable pacific island, staffed with a small population of youthful female maid servants (the latter part isn't publicised). Include how the army is withdrawn and ownership of disputed territories decided by UN managed polls, the process being drawn out over many years to discourage violent activism. Finally, describe how the replacement Russian leadership has to remove forces from the border and prosecute at least the most serious war crimes, but in return all economic sanctions are lifted and Russia is re-integrated into the international community. Write it in the style of a Redditor who needs to swear unnecessarily to make himself seem cool and important.
Are you sincerely quoting ChatGPT as a valid source? Do you not understand what it is or something?
Ah yes, this is why flamethrower men and M202 Flash men took tremendous risks creeping up to the front openings of concrete pill boxes to fire the incindiary into the opening, which put them right in line of a beltfed. It was just to look cool. Really they could just fire the flame thrower on top of the concrete, not into the bunker, and the heat would transfer through. Firing into the opening was just for style.
Nothing like having a very heavy container of flammable liquid strapped to you, making you a highly visible target and having to throw yourself within a few feet a machine gun for now reason.
No layers of irony can't hide the fact that your analogy is shit in many levels
Holy kino
>gas weapons on civilian targets
would you enjoy some white phosphorus killing your family
>civilian targets
retard
>civilian targets
Bro...Bakhmut is literally Battlefield map.
There are still civies there.
>There are still civies there.
really?
yes, Azov/Kraken/etc needs their human shields
Yeah. A month ago more than 3000 people were reported to still be there. This is how they protect themselves.
>This is how they protect themselves.
shakey cameras?
painting their doors?
i don't get it.
Marking your door with religious symbols isn't very typical.
Are they relying on fagner to be full of practicing orthodox Catholics or something? Seems like a bad bet all things considered
Russians practicing Orthodox Christianity? It's more likely than you think.
But the vatniks tell us fagner is nothing but drunken convicts. They wouldn't lie, would they?
I'll believe it when they stop waving that Satanic commie flag and burn the rotting corpse that is their god.
>Russians practicing Orthodox Christianity?
Has never been the case.
Nah, Kyivan and Novgorodian Rus didn't stomp all over the Church. Muscovy, however...
No, Russians do not practice Orthodox Christianity. They follow a cynical FSB/KGB garden gnome parody of Orthodoxy so debased that Stalin is a revered icon. They have no faith, only compliance and obeisance.
There are a tiny amount of civilians, but they are basically stubborn retards who refuse evacuation orders because muh "I don't have anywhere else to live", even though they would be provided shelter and generous supplies to live with.
Yes. Dumb fucks would deserve it for being in a war zone
Is this confirmed?
White phosphorus is a bioweapon.
It is a war crime and can kill children as well.
We don't need this brother war.
Lord have mercy on us all.
What you gonna do about it bitch? Protest against security council?
Lmao
Peacekeeping operation in Ukraine :^)
F-35s eviscerating what's left of Russia's air force.
F-16s eviscerating what's left of Russia's air defence.
Abrams rolling across eastern Ukraine slaughtering Russia's ground forces.
Etc.
>White phosphorus is a bioweapon. It is a war crime and can kill children as well
Cool it with the antisemitism
Wagner is being purged by the Russian Army
looks like bad AI-generated CGI
dont worry about it
soldiers being melted by the attack
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1654598083097812992
grim
they dont sound very melted
they are literally saying "please help us NATO, we are burning, send more money and hrt!"
They are literally cracking jokes and warming up to the nice pucks of thermite, you buffoon
>What are the odds this actually does some damage to the garrison?
Odds? There's no garrison there anymore.
I don't know how expensive white phop is but this is overkill
>There's no garrison there anymore
Wat?
Have they already used thermite in this war?
the gloves have been removed
Ukrainians fell for some bald boomer trap and are now getting ROASTED
Videos from the middle of all that. It's literally nothing lol
https://twitter.com/GloOouD/status/1654582236958666753
few square kms of
Damage control thread?
For a military with no tactics, coordination, intelligence (neither in the military nor IQ sense), or ability to follow this up with any sort of effective/meaningful offense, this is, visually speaking, a pretty impressive display of force.
And by that I mean it looks cool and would look effective without the context of the situation.
LMAO
So, stay under cover and chill?
I'd understand if they want to quickly burn down a forest and suffocate anyone in it.
I bet it isn't exactly chill inside those buildings.
Wet brush, dirt, concrete and asphalt don't burn.
You know that at least 47% of your pic has burned out wood in it?
From what I saw after googling it, if it's white phosphorous, then the fire is part of the weapon but not the only thing that matters, if you inhale the fumes it will create acid in your lungs so you could in theory suffocate for breathing them and it seems these are also toxic in contact, so even if you survive the heat and the suffocation it could fuck you up after you leave... allegedly
>From what I saw after googling it, if it's white phosphorous
doesn't have the characteristic smoke trails after impact.
The basic variant rocket is designated the 9M22 with other types of warhead installed including chemical, incendiary, smoke or submunitions.
The 9M22S payload (9N510) consists of 180 un-fuzed incendiary elements which are ignited on ejection by an ignition/expelling charge of six linear-shaped-charges (LSC).
The incendiary elements are ML-5 magnesium cups filled with a thermite-type mixture and packed in a matrix, each element having a burning time of at least 2 minutes.
In humans, lindane exerts its toxic action on the central nervous system. Signs of poisoning include tremors, ataxia, convulsions, and prostration. In severe cases of acute poisoning, violent tonic and clonic convulsions have occurred.
Wait, PrepHole told me there was no ammo?! What happened?
Daily reminder to retard browns that NATO is stronger than ever and Russia is a shadow of it's former self that can't take it's poor neighbor let alone any one of nato's members
Ukraine is losing and isn't a part of NATO. When Russia wins, that is where they will stop, most likely.
>Ukraine is losing and not a part of NATO
Russia keep acting like they are. How's the war going anyway pidor? How long since Russia has made any gains whatsoever
Hey that's not fair, they lost a whole BTG for another lift just last week lol
>When Russia wins
>When Russia wins
yeah that little campfire is really making them nervous
Phosphorus burns regardless, that's not to say everything else does
>the city broke before the AFU
kino
These guys are gonna end up thrown out pretty quick.
Unless they somehow got registered with the Ukrainian government, it's back to bumfuck nowhere siberia.
kind of reminds me of the ethnically armenian syrian refugees that got settled into the depopulated (formerly azeri) regions of nagorno karabakh c. 2012-2019
I for one am very impressed with Russias performance in Ukraine. Russia is very strong and not completely pathetic.
She's very evil. Why does PrepHole support these demons?
No, that's communism.
>booty blasted vatnik deletes post before you can read it
darn
So why do you support globohomo Russia?
Russia that endorses mass mudslime immigration into Russia. Russia that builds mosques and lets armed mudslimes threaten Orthodox Christians who oppose the mosques. Russia that engaged in extreme levels of vaccine-pushing. Russia that is the primary funding source of BLM. Russia that is literally the origin of globohomo. Russia where the people idolize the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and want it back.
Because Russia asks what it is you like, and tells you they are that. They ask you what you dislike, and say that they dislike that as well. Russians will tell you whatever it is you want to hear
>Russia that is the primary funding source of BLM
Source?
>Russia where the people idolize the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and want it back
That's more so a testament to how shitty Russia has been post-collapse. Even though capitalism is better than communism, a kleptocracy manages to be worse than both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter
The article doesn't mention anything about Russia being BLM's primary funding source
The USSR was a kleptocracy, dumb ass. There hasn't been a communist government that isn't. That's not even getting into how the biggest idolizers of the USSR today, are the kleptocratic government you mention.
>they're communist
>they're brown
These aren't mutually exclusive. Russia has been a massive shithole for generations because they're not white
Is this motherfucker unironically just going to firebomb the town as final fuck you before leaving the town? Is this him literally seething and coping right now?
>mandic quoting the Quran
Lol, so much for remove kebab, right?
>haven't been communist for 40 years and they know they're massively majority white
the communist party is the second largest party in the country, and the only one who could challenge the main party - who's led by a literal KGB glowie garden gnome
as for whiteness - you only need functioning eyes to see they're mutts (sweet Poutine included). Their eyes always betray them, and I'm not even going to post the <<slavs are POC>> pic
>globohomo is le bad
>the blood thirsty mongol hordes le good
Reddit gays get the rope first
Funny how Ukraine is so hard to invade because it was designed to take nukes by USAF. So fighting could go on and on. Like Avovstal steel mill was mostly underground facility. Kiev and Kharkov Metro is just as deep as Moscow Metro etc.
>haven't been communist
Anon, they still keep some of their communist traditions and style of government. Literally nothing has changed aside from russia being the shittier version of the USSR.
>russia majority white
"Ethnic russians" are not a valid consideration of whats white or not. Russia does not have a system based on race.
>muh evil
Yet, russia is making everything turn to shit. While the "evil" west managed to make everything prosperous and stable. How is the west evil when they literally helped more people than russia did? Along with inventing a shitload of stuff that allows people to live a prosperous life?
>muh globalhomo
Is not a valid argument and people who resort to such things are contrarian idiots like yourself. Why don't you move to russia if you hate the west so much? They offer programs for foreigners like you.
Its not white phosphorus, its magnesium. Russians don't use napalm and white phosphorus like the western military forces do. It's all magnesium and thermite with them.
>white phosphorus white phosphorus white phosphorus white phosphorus white phosphorus
god shut up you ignorant clowns
So it's not phosphorus but some sort of incendiary shells?
Yes, its magnesium.
you sit down in a place that isn't on fire and doesn't have enough smoke to suffocate you and wait for it to pass. A gas mask helps.
Why would they show the thermal in their propaganda film. It reveals the fires as small and insignificant
'oh fuck i didn't mean to push that button ivan how do i turn this thing off?'
It's not their drone. It's Ukrainian drone but they cut out the intro. That's why "supernova_plus" logo is so often plastered in the middle, so Russian morons can't steal footage
So that's why there's that blurry diagonal line in the middle, that's where the logo was
how the fuck are you supposed to deal with this shit if you're the urban defender? it looks like it denies every possible defensive advantage and snuffs all possible life out of the given area
You stay under cover and let it burn out in a few minutes. It's the same stuff as sparklers. In the summer, in a field or forest, it can start a major fire, but it does fuck-all to a commie apartment block.
>it looks like it denies every possible defensive advantage and snuffs all possible life out of the given area
If it was bad enough to deny defensive advantage it would very definitely deny any offensive movement.
It is more style than substance when up against concrete. I'd be more worried about HE. Looks pretty though.
>more style than substance
Boy, that seems to be the entire Russian military.
Depends, have you been issued a gas mask? Are you in the percentage of people that have any respiratory conditions?
Thermobaric and cluster are 10x worse genius.
so what happened
is this ru mil incendiary? did they cave from wagners demands????? is it enough ?? seems like preported remaining held ground... note not penetrating concrete structure but ground fires significant
>so what happened
Nothing, Russia dumped thermite, it didn't do shit but made nice picture for their bydlo on telegram and 4chan
Minor autism, I don't think that's WP. The Russians have a thing for magnesium rounds, like the famous footage of them dropping it on Aztoval, and it gets mis-ID'd a lot.
Breathing that shit in can't be healthy
Would this constitute a chemical weapon warcrime?
Ru incendiary submunitions are magnesium-based. Their smoke projectiles and smoke mixtures are ammonium/potassium chlorate/perchlorate + anthracene and have no WP whatsoever. The only place where I saw ru designing WP use is like.. in some OFZAB or ZAB bombs with gelatinized incendiary mixture and WP granules mixed in, can't remember.
No, check the PROTOCOL ON PROHIBITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF INCENDIARY WEAPONS
https://treaties.unoda.org/t/ccwc_p3
It's termite, retards.
Isn't phosphorus prohibited internationally to use? Including by russia?
I think it's time we supply our Ukrainian friends with phosphorus warheads.
No. People always say this and it's wrong.
It is illegal to use WP as a chemical weapons for the primary purpose of filling an area with toxins. It is completely legal to use WP as an incindiary, which is what it is actually used for. In theory, you could use WP to make a shell that produces lots of toxic smoke, but this would be dumb because it is not a good chemical weapons, phosphene or chlorine would work way better.
Incindiaries are 100% legal. Lighting a target on fire to force the enemy to leave is legal. Napalm is legal. We don't use napalm anymore because developed nations don't plan on being in trench wars where it would be more helpful and because, if you have PGMs, you don't need to drop tons of area incindiaries to hit the enemy, you just drop one PGM.
Using incindiaries on a bunch of concrete buildings isn't some super stronk taking the gloves off move, it indicates that they are running low on shells and are resorting to using shells inappropriate for their use case.
There is one case where WP is illegal, as all incendiary ammo - it is prohibited by international law to drop incendiary ammo on cities, for the same reason cluster munitions and some types of infantry mines are - you can't control the area of effect and it will likely result in civilian casualties
Human rights groups claim that it falls under existing provisions. However, states have generally not accepted this. Israel, the US, Russia, have all used WP in urban combat since 2000. It is reasonable to argue that Bakhmut isn't a civilian target anymore, the entire city has been engulfed in battle for most of a year and all civilians evacuated.
Russia is normally full of shit but at this point a proportionality assessment that said "no civilian presence in the area of the city occupied by UAF," would certainly be justified and accepted by even the most HR friendly states.
There's a 100% chance that there were many Ukrainian soldiers in the Windows facing the Russians with backup nearby that got flamed and toasted when the first sparks ignited.
This shit still does damage, and is fucking mind crushing having your pal turned into roast beef right in front of you.
No one said they can't be effective. They just aren't preferred.
Do people here honestly think incindiaries are more effective for this enviornment and that Russia held off on using them out of some sort of moral notion?
Ridiculous. They used them here as either for a propaganda win about "taking the gloves off," is because they lack enough HE shells. Likely it is a combination.
That or, unable to take the rest of the city, they are just abandoning established doctrine and throwing shit at the wall to see if it will stick.
There's plenty of people in the thread saying
>Just get to cover lol
Ofc shitheads if you already knew this shit was coming you would run to the nearest thrash Depot to where you belong.
The thing is little fucks that if you are inside those buildings you are basically under siege and that means the moment you slip up, you die.
Russians are Muslims now their soldiers even scream Allah Akbar
Putin's wife wears a Muslim head covering
putin doesn't have a wife, he's divorced
It's thermate, you fucking retard.
This is really dark it reminds me of contractors in construction throwing bitch fits like that to get their way