That's like saying you build automobiles when in reality you spend the entire shift each day screwing four bolts into pre-drilled holes.
And sometimes still fuck it up if you are a UAW member.
No, it was a deep mining machine. Not sexy as le zapper/planet dirt but it is what it is.
https://i.imgur.com/9iDpoyN.png
It seems to have legs. If it's a larp, it's the pinnacle of larper technology. The non-UFO related discussion are what leads me to believe he's legitimate. The guy at USC mentioned in the screenshot is almost certainly Robert Hellwarth, and we all know our DoE poster has confirmed that we do freaky shit with optical phase conjugation. There is lots of real science that ties into all this, if you're willing to dig.
I wouldn't be surprised if le zapper and all that was all bullshit covering for the spy satellite "imagery" tech not limited by lens size that the fark guy mentioned in one ATS thread
No... however, there are lots of other applications of the same concepts. Here's our friend the "boomer larper" expounding on some of it. This was posted over a decade ago.
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread901004/pg1
And here's the concept put into practice.
https://engineering.princeton.edu/news/2021/11/29/researchers-shrink-camera-size-salt-grain
Bro, a bunch of people saw it. There is still the janky ass website for Alien Dave where he has the photos and follow-ups about both they and their film had been exposed to a large dose of radiation. He did an interview with a local news station about it, and they in turn reached out to UTTR that confirmed a test (but obviously not of what). Pretty sure it's on either his website or YouTube. There are also reports in the local paper of other people seeing it driving down I-80 across the border from Wendover around the same time.
Based off random wikipedia articles I read, I'm willing to bet that some of the most classified projects out there revolve around arcane side-channel methods of gathering SIGINT and that it's probably much, much easier for a motivated western country to tap into electronic devices than anyone believes.
the most classified stuff is probably boring. identities of embedded spies, nuclear weapon/reactor technical details, especially for the reactors on subs & carriers and technical info of jet engines. after that is the juicy stuff that they won’t tell us about
Based on how much money goes into black projects. I'm willing to bet they are space based on nuclear defense systems. The STARWARS program was never actually cancelled.
That's actually true. Edward Teller's brain has been in a jar for the last 20 years, text-to-speeching increasingly unhinged proposals for space-based ABM systems.
>pour some more liquor in the brain jar, we need a new idea >glugglubglub >small piece of paper feeds out of the bottom of the jar >NUCLEAR LASER SHAPED CHARGE RIFLE WITH INDEPENDENT TARGETTING AND NUCLEAR RAMJET PROPULSION
Some dudes someone who isn’t me graduated with (in minecraft) have been running space chambers nearly non-stop for the last six years. They’ve got the exact shit you’d think they have but apparently they aren’t the only ones or at least are very concerned about the capabilities of a certain other nation.
yeah exactly, it’s like the most classified shit basically. even some spook with need to know for waived saps probably isn’t going to get cleared for that
>easier for a motivated western country to tap into electronic devices
they were never secure. The older stuff is easier as it leaks a lot and is simple, but the new stuff has hardware and software back doors. Binney said the NSA had mapped all of the USSR's telecoms, pubic and military, easily and could listen in on anything, same for many other countries. The biggest issues is stupid people doing stupid things exposing comm and plans as the Iranians discovered and alerted the Chinese who rounded up and executed all the CIA's spies over there. There were also older reports how the US wild weasle planes could hack into soviet radars by sending signals to their radar receivers. There is also a detailed vid on YT by some guy at Defcon conference who showed how discovered unused portions of CPUs and could easily gain root access by sending simple commands.
Rewatched the Dark Knight the other day. In that movie there is a computer mainframe that uses cell phone emf to create a real-time schematic of interiors where people have phones (and audio of course). I wouldn’t be surprised if something like that existed since researchers have already shown you can map interiors using wifi.
It seems to have legs. If it's a larp, it's the pinnacle of larper technology. The non-UFO related discussion are what leads me to believe he's legitimate. The guy at USC mentioned in the screenshot is almost certainly Robert Hellwarth, and we all know our DoE poster has confirmed that we do freaky shit with optical phase conjugation. There is lots of real science that ties into all this, if you're willing to dig.
It seems to have legs. If it's a larp, it's the pinnacle of larper technology. The non-UFO related discussion are what leads me to believe he's legitimate. The guy at USC mentioned in the screenshot is almost certainly Robert Hellwarth, and we all know our DoE poster has confirmed that we do freaky shit with optical phase conjugation. There is lots of real science that ties into all this, if you're willing to dig.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%ABniby%C5%8D
8th grader syndrome. It's just bored people making up entertainment
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Believe what you want.
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Bro, if you don't think any of this is real you are completely fucking retarded. Yakov Zel'dovich was the principal besides maybe Andrei Sakharov behind the Russian nuclear weapons program.
the article is about metamaterials
they are materials which get their properties from the geometry of their construction and not due to innate material properties
No, the paper is from LANL and it's about Optical Phase Conjugation, anon. You can achieve the non-linear characteristics required using metamaterials, however. I am pretty sure it is mentioned in the paper.
>Exponential gain for counter-propagating waves
Am i dumb or is this basically a solution to laser beams having their cross-section widen over a distance?
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t.DIA
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Someone was asking a larper hard questions that weren't received well on /misc/. Spoiler alert, it was me.
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lol, he actually fucked off after you posted that. You'd think he'd know enough not to even acknowledge it but then again his dumbass was posting on /misc/ with proofs. Standards at the DoD must be down the drain.
I doubt it, anon. Especially considering he's dead in with the potential applications from posts 20 years ago. If you notice, only a handful of people on ATS or Fark actually engaged in discussion with him, so if a larp...not very successful
When is someone gonna make a pastebin or something for all this fark business? So far only like 4 people really engage in the discussion. As an aside, its worth noting phase conjugate mirrors aren't esoteric science, its a topic taught in most advanced optics courses at uni.
Some dudes someone who isn’t me graduated with (in minecraft) have been running space chambers nearly non-stop for the last six years. They’ve got the exact shit you’d think they have but apparently they aren’t the only ones or at least are very concerned about the capabilities of a certain other nation.
What is a space chamber?
>Exponential gain for counter-propagating waves
Am i dumb or is this basically a solution to laser beams having their cross-section widen over a distance?
A laser with a widening cone is just a very bad laser, these are phase conjugate mirrors which 'trace back' their propagation path in order to correct for interference
https://i.imgur.com/Ej8fvcu.jpg
I have this mousepad with a few X projects on it, I think it's neat.
Allegedly. It works well enough that they've allegedly set up a colony somewhere, allegedly called Planet Dirt, but when it goes wrong you get turned into paste, I think. I'd have to go through the threads again to check. Something about the way the science works means you either have a smooth trip or you experience the FTL forces acting on your body instead of the craft/ftl field.
Not without breaking relativity.
The speed of light isn't just the speed light travels, nor is it specifically related to light itself; rather, it's the maximum rate of change the universe allows, the speed of energy itself.
Gravity, for example, is also bound by C. IF the sun disappeared, it would take 8.5 minutes for Earth to lose her anchor.
The issue of quantum physics is that it's a field of probabilities. You never know which particular chocolate is in the box until you bite into it shenanigans, so actually working with probabilistic physics is a bit of a non-starter for current academia/scholarship.
The problem I have with the notion that the DoE has reality-as-we-know-it bending tech is that in order to do so, they'd also have to have their own, dedicated, uber secret, in-house hyper advanced courses to catch up new recruits, and said catch-up would qualify said candidates for a couple of Doctorates and/or Nobel prizes, on top of Governments being pretty bad at keeping big secrets for long.
Yeah, they'd basically need a whole secret education system to bring up the next generation of shadow scientists. Who would all have to resign to never ever getting even a scrap of recognition for their work.
>on top of Governments being pretty bad at keeping big secrets for long.
Good thing all the national laboratories are run by privately owned companies with 0 government oversight.
It's also not like every single national lab is run in conjunction with a major university system like UC, UT, UNY Stonybrook, or Texas A&M. Or like the Lincoln Lab at MIT, or the accelerator facilities at places like Princeton. Fuck, I know a guy doing work graduate work at Purdue whose grad work is attached to an NDA. Point is, not all of this is done directly by the DoE or ONR, it's done by funding R-1 research institutions (like the guy at USC). The ONR funded what would be Nobel winning science several times, most notably (in relation to this discussion) Wolfgang Ketterle's work on Bose Einstein Condensates done with a team from MIT, UC Boulder, and the NIST lab in Boulder.
It's also not like every single national lab is run in conjunction with a major university system like UC, UT, UNY Stonybrook, or Texas A&M. Or like the Lincoln Lab at MIT, or the accelerator facilities at places like Princeton. Fuck, I know a guy doing work graduate work at Purdue whose grad work is attached to an NDA. Point is, not all of this is done directly by the DoE or ONR, it's done by funding R-1 research institutions (like the guy at USC). The ONR funded what would be Nobel winning science several times, most notably (in relation to this discussion) Wolfgang Ketterle's work on Bose Einstein Condensates done with a team from MIT, UC Boulder, and the NIST lab in Boulder.
One ship says interplanetary. Distance between planets is long. You can understand the so called "antigravity" argument when these fly, near a planet. But outside? Lets say 100,000 km or 1 million kilometers away. No "gravity" there. Or is there? Or do they slingshot to other planets like a rocket but just faster?
Do you have theories how they would get speed in vacuum and far from other planets or do they?
Or..
Is "antigravity" obsolete in "neutral space" with no near gravity wells? So they then might have something classed as "more conventional" but likely powered by extremely high output stuff like a fusion etc similar theorized "futuristic" things?
So you would leave a planet to space with the so called antigravity, while in space near a planet floating, maybe inside one million kilometers, you could either dock with a larger ship that has none of those propulsion methods and let it carry you?
Larger ship has more conventional stuff with the "fusion" powering them (high energy output reactors). Altough could be conventional nuclear.
With conventional propulsion I mean something using theorized ion or foton engines. So "elrctro ion" or foton engine but likely in mega/gigawatt levels so it might even work?
So, tldr:
In middle of space do "antigravity" work or is it only when you are close to planets/stars? And when there you have to have other methods or ships to fly between planets (excluding rockets)? Or does space have unknown strong magnetig highways you can tap to and fly? I dont think the alcubierre drives are real or work, its something other that can be used.
Ofcourse these technologies if real are secret or humanity/aliens (if real) would destroy itself/us (in our current developmental infant stage we are in). But i wonder about how antigravity ships work in no gravity areas or do they?
>bigelow aerospace
rest in power, fuck every single retard that looked at the inflatable module being the most practical thing put onto the ISS since canadarm and said "nah we don't want more"
the article is about metamaterials
they are materials which get their properties from the geometry of their construction and not due to innate material properties
>Groom Lake gets a massive runway upgrade in late 80s >sonic booms and rumblings unexplained by public AF activity through the early 90s >in 06 Aviation Week publishes story on "Blackstar" aircraft >two stage to orbit system aiming to replace military capability lost after Challenger loss >written off by critics are bullshit >12 years later Boeing Twitter makes a "lol look at this old stuff" post featuring declassified art from period depicting exactly what Blackstar article claimed
I BELIEVE.
>1980s >anyone giving a fuck about Chicom space shit
Pick one lol.
I was supposed to be kind of like what the X-37B is today, but with an aircraft first strange instead of a rocket. So putting payloads in orbit and such. The two stage system would make it much more capable of short notice operation and be harder to detect than a very big rocket. Probably ran into dual problems of technical challenges and Cold War budget drawdowns. Full system likely never deployed, but test aircraft and flights likely.
>picrel carrier aircraft landing at what is clearly Groom Lake drawn by someone who's familiar with the base.
Probably never flew full size. Most likely high speed, scaled demonstrators as they tried to figure out the technical obstacles to the whole launch system.
This project just tickles me doubly doubly. For one, I love this Prismacolor marker style industrial concept art was using at the time. Also fucking *love* space planes (X-33 is my eternal planefu).
NASA and aerospace corporations commission concept art all the time, and spaceplanes had been widely publicized during the 1970s as part of the Shuttle program.
>military capability lost after Challenger loss
Interesting how we haven't really learned the true capability and use. It's entire design revolves around taking cargo down. It had dogshit re-usability. But not a single use case, even basic tests have been published. Could any of the space Autists tell if shuttle was carying anything back by how it returns - trajectory, speed, landing?
My power level is low but a laden craft would be denser than an empty one meaning if it took the same reentry trajectory as an empty one it would have a higher terminal speed and heat up more. But overheating on reentry tends to make things explode so it would probably take a shallower trajectory to compensate. Also on the final landing stretch it would be coming in faster because the higher weight needs more lift to not fall out of the sky, and it would be slower to decelerate on the ground because of inertia.
>we haven't learned it's true capability and use
The big military capability of the shuttle program was putting reconnaissance/intelligence satellites into orbit and servicing them to extend their life. The fourth shuttle flight and the first payload put in orbit were DoD ICBM lauch detector sats. As for retrieval, that was something that wasn't uncommon on shuttle missions. The shuttle pallet system was a dedicated system to put sats in orbit for later pickup and there was plenty of instances of the shuttles bringing back sats from orbit to be repaired on the ground.
With the SDI system ramping up in the 80s, it would have been involved in restocking orbital interceptors.
>It's entire design revolves around taking cargo down
No, that is only one use and arguably it was much more useful as a launch and deployment platform.
>dogshit re-usability
That's the main factor why they didn't go ahead with building the USAF shuttles. It didn't meet cost projections at all. Additionally, the launch was too sensitive to weather, something Blackstar would have been more capable of dealing with.
https://i.imgur.com/OCnALia.jpg
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NASA and aerospace corporations commission concept art all the time, and spaceplanes had been widely publicized during the 1970s as part of the Shuttle program.
Yeah, but this art wasn't published and has some clear parallels to actual black project work.
>Gets a BA in Art to draw classified planes for Boeing
The Air Force wanted the space shuttle to be able to pick up cargo from Earth orbit and land in Vandenberg, in just one orbit. They never publicly explained just what they were going to do with this capacity, but presumably the idea was to steal a Soviet satellite for study.
Honestly, it seems like a pretty dumb idea. Given what an ordeal even routine maintenance on the ISS is, it doesn't seem possible that a team of astronauts could actually pull a satellite inside the shuttle cargo bay and secure it well enough not to endanger the whole shuttle in during re-entry, not with the time limit the Air Force wanted. And it would obviously be impossible to keep the theft of a satellite secret from the Soviet Union, and it would be fairly easy for the Soviets to destroy some American satellites in retaliation. And after you do it once, there's going to be anti-tamper self-destruct charges on every new satellite.
>they never publicly explained Just what they were going to do with this capacity
Yes they did, dummy. The shuttle being able to carry things back was a stated goal because it would allow cheaper launch-and-retrieve satellites to be used as well as bringing others back to get serviced on Earth before relaunching. The shuttle was a orbital tow truck. That was what both NASA and the DoD billed it as and nobody had secret kidnapping missions in mind. Jesus, you conspiracy nerds are stupid as hell.
>carry things back
Yeah, that's one thing, but the Air Force wanted it done in a single orbit. Blast off into polar orbit, rendezvous with the target, and an hour later you're back on the ground. There aren't many good reasons to do this.
Also, given the immense cost of getting mass into low Earth orbit, you'd have to be stark raving mad to design a satellite to be retrieved and then launched back into space. >you conspiracy nerds
This is literally on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_design_process#Air_Force_involvement
>these helicopter requirements specify that it flies nap of earth to steal Russian hubcaps >infantry get prone on contact to collect soil samples for isotropic analysis
Because they didn't want to catch an ASAT missile in a shooting war dipshit. Get up, get the damaged satellite, get down as fast as possible. Minimizing your exposure to fire is basic shit man.
it's an alleged extrasolar colony that's super boring. there's algae sees of red gunk and lots of dirt. the most exciting/dangerous part is the FTL trip there where if it fucks up you become a thin paste on the inside of the craft. >t. lurker
I don’t know if it looks exactly like that but at the very least they’ve 100% built some sort of aurora Mach 4+ aircraft prototype in the 80s or later, possibly operational
Sexy
I work on black projects. The only interesting is the initial briefing, after that it’s just mundane engineering work.
Oh i bet you work on Big Black Projects
That's like saying you build automobiles when in reality you spend the entire shift each day screwing four bolts into pre-drilled holes.
And sometimes still fuck it up if you are a UAW member.
What
that anon has never worked a manufacturing job in his life and thinks "union worker" means "Soviet Union meaningless job worker".
it's the age group that has the lead they grew up breathing leaching out of their bones in their old age. let him sundown in peace.
>how to tell you're underageb& without posting your age
Who, in your mind, builds automobiles if not the line workers?
Ayn Rand
Yeah and my dad works at walmart
>It leaves a trail
Let me know when you see the black one that makes no sound and no trails. That one is more badass
>the black one that makes no sound and no trails
he fell for the marketing lies
what about donuts on a rope?
Explain please.
a specific looking contrail that has round smoke rings around a central linear contrail. Rumored to be from some pulsejet derivative.
In the archive I remember seeing a shitpost thread and some guy just dropped word of a [[[alleged]]] secret plasma boring project.
It's a meme from a 1992 aviation magazine publishing pictures by some British guy
Marauder?
No, it was a deep mining machine. Not sexy as le zapper/planet dirt but it is what it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if le zapper and all that was all bullshit covering for the spy satellite "imagery" tech not limited by lens size that the fark guy mentioned in one ATS thread
That's just standard synthetic aperture radar and photography, it's been a thing for decades and even some phone cameras use it.
No... however, there are lots of other applications of the same concepts. Here's our friend the "boomer larper" expounding on some of it. This was posted over a decade ago.
https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread901004/pg1
And here's the concept put into practice.
https://engineering.princeton.edu/news/2021/11/29/researchers-shrink-camera-size-salt-grain
Bro, a bunch of people saw it. There is still the janky ass website for Alien Dave where he has the photos and follow-ups about both they and their film had been exposed to a large dose of radiation. He did an interview with a local news station about it, and they in turn reached out to UTTR that confirmed a test (but obviously not of what). Pretty sure it's on either his website or YouTube. There are also reports in the local paper of other people seeing it driving down I-80 across the border from Wendover around the same time.
Its called chemtrails sweaty. Its spreading The Gay poison gas on China
>black project
What is the real world Operation Get Behind The Darkies?
Project 100,000
Battle of Bakhmut (2022)
>The release of Spooklear weapons has been authorized
Based off random wikipedia articles I read, I'm willing to bet that some of the most classified projects out there revolve around arcane side-channel methods of gathering SIGINT and that it's probably much, much easier for a motivated western country to tap into electronic devices than anyone believes.
the most classified stuff is probably boring. identities of embedded spies, nuclear weapon/reactor technical details, especially for the reactors on subs & carriers and technical info of jet engines. after that is the juicy stuff that they won’t tell us about
Based on how much money goes into black projects. I'm willing to bet they are space based on nuclear defense systems. The STARWARS program was never actually cancelled.
That's actually true. Edward Teller's brain has been in a jar for the last 20 years, text-to-speeching increasingly unhinged proposals for space-based ABM systems.
>pour some more liquor in the brain jar, we need a new idea
>glugglubglub
>small piece of paper feeds out of the bottom of the jar
>NUCLEAR LASER SHAPED CHARGE RIFLE WITH INDEPENDENT TARGETTING AND NUCLEAR RAMJET PROPULSION
Some dudes someone who isn’t me graduated with (in minecraft) have been running space chambers nearly non-stop for the last six years. They’ve got the exact shit you’d think they have but apparently they aren’t the only ones or at least are very concerned about the capabilities of a certain other nation.
the nukes have their own classification system, especially the internal designs and materials in the physics package
yeah exactly, it’s like the most classified shit basically. even some spook with need to know for waived saps probably isn’t going to get cleared for that
>easier for a motivated western country to tap into electronic devices
they were never secure. The older stuff is easier as it leaks a lot and is simple, but the new stuff has hardware and software back doors. Binney said the NSA had mapped all of the USSR's telecoms, pubic and military, easily and could listen in on anything, same for many other countries. The biggest issues is stupid people doing stupid things exposing comm and plans as the Iranians discovered and alerted the Chinese who rounded up and executed all the CIA's spies over there. There were also older reports how the US wild weasle planes could hack into soviet radars by sending signals to their radar receivers. There is also a detailed vid on YT by some guy at Defcon conference who showed how discovered unused portions of CPUs and could easily gain root access by sending simple commands.
Rewatched the Dark Knight the other day. In that movie there is a computer mainframe that uses cell phone emf to create a real-time schematic of interiors where people have phones (and audio of course). I wouldn’t be surprised if something like that existed since researchers have already shown you can map interiors using wifi.
Could've just said "the projects", Anon. No need to specify color.
Kid looks like a JRPG character portrait. Screenshot taken just before his dialogue box appears.
Summoning the spooks from the DoE. You guys always have the coolest stories.
>abovetopsecret boomer larping
For what it's worth, the boomer larping on fark is more engaging than anything you'll see on /x/ these days
It seems to have legs. If it's a larp, it's the pinnacle of larper technology. The non-UFO related discussion are what leads me to believe he's legitimate. The guy at USC mentioned in the screenshot is almost certainly Robert Hellwarth, and we all know our DoE poster has confirmed that we do freaky shit with optical phase conjugation. There is lots of real science that ties into all this, if you're willing to dig.
what are they talking about
They're literally just making shit up for fun
They literally are not. Are you retarded?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%ABniby%C5%8D
8th grader syndrome. It's just bored people making up entertainment
Believe what you want.
Bro, if you don't think any of this is real you are completely fucking retarded. Yakov Zel'dovich was the principal besides maybe Andrei Sakharov behind the Russian nuclear weapons program.
No, the paper is from LANL and it's about Optical Phase Conjugation, anon. You can achieve the non-linear characteristics required using metamaterials, however. I am pretty sure it is mentioned in the paper.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert-Hellwarth
does anyone else wish they were smart
>Exponential gain for counter-propagating waves
Am i dumb or is this basically a solution to laser beams having their cross-section widen over a distance?
t.DIA
Someone was asking a larper hard questions that weren't received well on /misc/. Spoiler alert, it was me.
lol, he actually fucked off after you posted that. You'd think he'd know enough not to even acknowledge it but then again his dumbass was posting on /misc/ with proofs. Standards at the DoD must be down the drain.
He sure did, didn't he
Maybe the guys who made it up read the same sources you are using to validate their work.
I doubt it, anon. Especially considering he's dead in with the potential applications from posts 20 years ago. If you notice, only a handful of people on ATS or Fark actually engaged in discussion with him, so if a larp...not very successful
When is someone gonna make a pastebin or something for all this fark business? So far only like 4 people really engage in the discussion. As an aside, its worth noting phase conjugate mirrors aren't esoteric science, its a topic taught in most advanced optics courses at uni.
What is a space chamber?
A laser with a widening cone is just a very bad laser, these are phase conjugate mirrors which 'trace back' their propagation path in order to correct for interference
Thats sick anon
Is this the same MJ12 that was in Deus Ex?
It's a facetious statement
they are actually called ZODIAC irl (12 signs in the astrological zodiac)
This guy gets it. The DoE has lots of secrets. They are more than happy to let the DoD get all the attention.
So faster than light / time travel is achievable, just not survivable?
Allegedly. It works well enough that they've allegedly set up a colony somewhere, allegedly called Planet Dirt, but when it goes wrong you get turned into paste, I think. I'd have to go through the threads again to check. Something about the way the science works means you either have a smooth trip or you experience the FTL forces acting on your body instead of the craft/ftl field.
sounds interesting, where are these threads?
Every link I have is here
>No, I am not copy and pasting all this shit again
Not without breaking relativity.
The speed of light isn't just the speed light travels, nor is it specifically related to light itself; rather, it's the maximum rate of change the universe allows, the speed of energy itself.
Gravity, for example, is also bound by C. IF the sun disappeared, it would take 8.5 minutes for Earth to lose her anchor.
The issue of quantum physics is that it's a field of probabilities. You never know which particular chocolate is in the box until you bite into it shenanigans, so actually working with probabilistic physics is a bit of a non-starter for current academia/scholarship.
The problem I have with the notion that the DoE has reality-as-we-know-it bending tech is that in order to do so, they'd also have to have their own, dedicated, uber secret, in-house hyper advanced courses to catch up new recruits, and said catch-up would qualify said candidates for a couple of Doctorates and/or Nobel prizes, on top of Governments being pretty bad at keeping big secrets for long.
Yeah, they'd basically need a whole secret education system to bring up the next generation of shadow scientists. Who would all have to resign to never ever getting even a scrap of recognition for their work.
>on top of Governments being pretty bad at keeping big secrets for long.
Good thing all the national laboratories are run by privately owned companies with 0 government oversight.
It's also not like every single national lab is run in conjunction with a major university system like UC, UT, UNY Stonybrook, or Texas A&M. Or like the Lincoln Lab at MIT, or the accelerator facilities at places like Princeton. Fuck, I know a guy doing work graduate work at Purdue whose grad work is attached to an NDA. Point is, not all of this is done directly by the DoE or ONR, it's done by funding R-1 research institutions (like the guy at USC). The ONR funded what would be Nobel winning science several times, most notably (in relation to this discussion) Wolfgang Ketterle's work on Bose Einstein Condensates done with a team from MIT, UC Boulder, and the NIST lab in Boulder.
That's what they want you to think.
>That's what they want you to think
>By actually doing it
You have just described the Office of Naval Research
If only you knew what they've been cooking up
I wonder where did you get this pic?
Depictions match many eyewitness cases.
One ship says interplanetary. Distance between planets is long. You can understand the so called "antigravity" argument when these fly, near a planet. But outside? Lets say 100,000 km or 1 million kilometers away. No "gravity" there. Or is there? Or do they slingshot to other planets like a rocket but just faster?
Do you have theories how they would get speed in vacuum and far from other planets or do they?
Or..
Is "antigravity" obsolete in "neutral space" with no near gravity wells? So they then might have something classed as "more conventional" but likely powered by extremely high output stuff like a fusion etc similar theorized "futuristic" things?
So you would leave a planet to space with the so called antigravity, while in space near a planet floating, maybe inside one million kilometers, you could either dock with a larger ship that has none of those propulsion methods and let it carry you?
Larger ship has more conventional stuff with the "fusion" powering them (high energy output reactors). Altough could be conventional nuclear.
With conventional propulsion I mean something using theorized ion or foton engines. So "elrctro ion" or foton engine but likely in mega/gigawatt levels so it might even work?
So, tldr:
In middle of space do "antigravity" work or is it only when you are close to planets/stars? And when there you have to have other methods or ships to fly between planets (excluding rockets)? Or does space have unknown strong magnetig highways you can tap to and fly? I dont think the alcubierre drives are real or work, its something other that can be used.
Ofcourse these technologies if real are secret or humanity/aliens (if real) would destroy itself/us (in our current developmental infant stage we are in). But i wonder about how antigravity ships work in no gravity areas or do they?
Just something ive wondered..
Have a fun pic.
It's from a sci-fi concept artist on twitter
https://twitter.com/WhaleOil2/status/1716276348560228621?t=VEiCSTJOqMSkPnnqGk-q4w&s=19
>bigelow aerospace
rest in power, fuck every single retard that looked at the inflatable module being the most practical thing put onto the ISS since canadarm and said "nah we don't want more"
the article is about metamaterials
they are materials which get their properties from the geometry of their construction and not due to innate material properties
that sounds like made up bullshit
>it isn't real because... I just feel like it isn't
Fuck off to /x/.
feel free to read the wikipedia on them
or Balanis section 5.7 if thats more your speed
Im not reading your ancient trash from 1987. kindly fuck off
Maybe you should read it before commenting on the contents, dipshit
if only it was worth reading
Considering the foundational research is why the Navy and Air Force want to stick laser on everything, maybe you should.
I was incorrect. It is literally not mentioned in the paper at all. Do you homosexuals even read?
It seems the Chinese are much further along in their "Tic-Tac" reproduction program than we had initially thought
Finally, a wifi-enabled suppository
>Groom Lake gets a massive runway upgrade in late 80s
>sonic booms and rumblings unexplained by public AF activity through the early 90s
>in 06 Aviation Week publishes story on "Blackstar" aircraft
>two stage to orbit system aiming to replace military capability lost after Challenger loss
>written off by critics are bullshit
>12 years later Boeing Twitter makes a "lol look at this old stuff" post featuring declassified art from period depicting exactly what Blackstar article claimed
I BELIEVE.
What would they use it for, nabbing chinese satellites?
>1980s
>anyone giving a fuck about Chicom space shit
Pick one lol.
I was supposed to be kind of like what the X-37B is today, but with an aircraft first strange instead of a rocket. So putting payloads in orbit and such. The two stage system would make it much more capable of short notice operation and be harder to detect than a very big rocket. Probably ran into dual problems of technical challenges and Cold War budget drawdowns. Full system likely never deployed, but test aircraft and flights likely.
>picrel carrier aircraft landing at what is clearly Groom Lake drawn by someone who's familiar with the base.
questionable whether such an aircraft would even fit in hangar 18
Probably never flew full size. Most likely high speed, scaled demonstrators as they tried to figure out the technical obstacles to the whole launch system.
This project just tickles me doubly doubly. For one, I love this Prismacolor marker style industrial concept art was using at the time. Also fucking *love* space planes (X-33 is my eternal planefu).
>picrel is orbital vehicle part of system
>Gets a BA in Art to draw classified planes for Boeing
>from 1986 Boeing patent application
>US Patent number: 4139172 McDonnell Douglas F-15 with a asymmetrical wing design.
I want to believe.
Because filing for patents is cheap and easy.
Probably the same idea as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_AD-1
NASA and aerospace corporations commission concept art all the time, and spaceplanes had been widely publicized during the 1970s as part of the Shuttle program.
>what could have been.jpg
sigh
>military capability lost after Challenger loss
Interesting how we haven't really learned the true capability and use. It's entire design revolves around taking cargo down. It had dogshit re-usability. But not a single use case, even basic tests have been published. Could any of the space Autists tell if shuttle was carying anything back by how it returns - trajectory, speed, landing?
My power level is low but a laden craft would be denser than an empty one meaning if it took the same reentry trajectory as an empty one it would have a higher terminal speed and heat up more. But overheating on reentry tends to make things explode so it would probably take a shallower trajectory to compensate. Also on the final landing stretch it would be coming in faster because the higher weight needs more lift to not fall out of the sky, and it would be slower to decelerate on the ground because of inertia.
>we haven't learned it's true capability and use
The big military capability of the shuttle program was putting reconnaissance/intelligence satellites into orbit and servicing them to extend their life. The fourth shuttle flight and the first payload put in orbit were DoD ICBM lauch detector sats. As for retrieval, that was something that wasn't uncommon on shuttle missions. The shuttle pallet system was a dedicated system to put sats in orbit for later pickup and there was plenty of instances of the shuttles bringing back sats from orbit to be repaired on the ground.
With the SDI system ramping up in the 80s, it would have been involved in restocking orbital interceptors.
>It's entire design revolves around taking cargo down
No, that is only one use and arguably it was much more useful as a launch and deployment platform.
>dogshit re-usability
That's the main factor why they didn't go ahead with building the USAF shuttles. It didn't meet cost projections at all. Additionally, the launch was too sensitive to weather, something Blackstar would have been more capable of dealing with.
Yeah, but this art wasn't published and has some clear parallels to actual black project work.
would be rad.
The Air Force wanted the space shuttle to be able to pick up cargo from Earth orbit and land in Vandenberg, in just one orbit. They never publicly explained just what they were going to do with this capacity, but presumably the idea was to steal a Soviet satellite for study.
Honestly, it seems like a pretty dumb idea. Given what an ordeal even routine maintenance on the ISS is, it doesn't seem possible that a team of astronauts could actually pull a satellite inside the shuttle cargo bay and secure it well enough not to endanger the whole shuttle in during re-entry, not with the time limit the Air Force wanted. And it would obviously be impossible to keep the theft of a satellite secret from the Soviet Union, and it would be fairly easy for the Soviets to destroy some American satellites in retaliation. And after you do it once, there's going to be anti-tamper self-destruct charges on every new satellite.
>they never publicly explained Just what they were going to do with this capacity
Yes they did, dummy. The shuttle being able to carry things back was a stated goal because it would allow cheaper launch-and-retrieve satellites to be used as well as bringing others back to get serviced on Earth before relaunching. The shuttle was a orbital tow truck. That was what both NASA and the DoD billed it as and nobody had secret kidnapping missions in mind. Jesus, you conspiracy nerds are stupid as hell.
>carry things back
Yeah, that's one thing, but the Air Force wanted it done in a single orbit. Blast off into polar orbit, rendezvous with the target, and an hour later you're back on the ground. There aren't many good reasons to do this.
Also, given the immense cost of getting mass into low Earth orbit, you'd have to be stark raving mad to design a satellite to be retrieved and then launched back into space.
>you conspiracy nerds
This is literally on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_design_process#Air_Force_involvement
>these helicopter requirements specify that it flies nap of earth to steal Russian hubcaps
>infantry get prone on contact to collect soil samples for isotropic analysis
Because they didn't want to catch an ASAT missile in a shooting war dipshit. Get up, get the damaged satellite, get down as fast as possible. Minimizing your exposure to fire is basic shit man.
also of note that the mountains in the background exactly match those overlooking groom lake
My favourite black project is section 8
redpill me on planet dirt
it's an alleged extrasolar colony that's super boring. there's algae sees of red gunk and lots of dirt. the most exciting/dangerous part is the FTL trip there where if it fucks up you become a thin paste on the inside of the craft.
>t. lurker
I have this mousepad with a few X projects on it, I think it's neat.
Lockheed makes trees?!
I fuckin KNEW it!
>>>/x/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_college_laboratories_conducting_basic_defense_research
I'm about 80% sure the darkstar from Top Gun is the real thing and Lockheed trotted it out to to demonstrate that they are kings of trolling.
Aye, me too. It actually looks like an aircraft and not some COOL WHOA fictional thing
I don’t know if it looks exactly like that but at the very least they’ve 100% built some sort of aurora Mach 4+ aircraft prototype in the 80s or later, possibly operational
I've been curious about Aurora. Was its propulsion purported to be scramjet or something more exotic?