Biofire Smart Guns

Biofire delayed their “”smart”” guns again. My initial delivery date was supposed to be Q2 2024 and now it’s December 2024

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure they'll fit right in next to the H9.

    • 1 month ago
      Burt

      That's what I'm expecting! With that jaw it'll go right in the lineup

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How do you like that ria 5.0? It looks cool but haven’t ever seen one irl

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the company that was all "Why wont big gun manufacturers copy us so we can get that sweet licensing money? How unethical of them."

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I haven’t heard that. I’m with Burt on biofire. If they succeed then that’s great for me. If they fail it’s also great for me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If they succeed it's the death of gun right, moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, they also are being directly backed by Google. It's on their website. Anyone who buys this is directly funding antigun companies and politicians.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cool gunko pop.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its absolutely hilarious whenever some electronics dork thinks
    >I know how to improve guns! Lets add a biometrics reader to the grip so only authorized users can fire it.
    And then gets curb stomped by the reality that no one wants to buy it, which should have been obvious seing as most gun guys don't even like mechanical grip safeties and are noided enough about red dots failing to want backup iron sights.
    There are people that think all manual safeties are a liability in defensive handguns and worry about being able to maintain a firing grip on a blood covered handgun and some moron actually thinks he's going to market a gun that needs a clean, dry, secure grip in order to unlock itself to fire

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The gun is made to be a bedside hi for home defense. The common arguments here are “what if I’m wearing gloves” or “what if I have a mask on” or “sweat from my waistband will inhibit the fingerprint sensor” etc

      At this point you’re just making up scenarios that are so unlikely or are also just not what the gun is made for so you wouldn’t run into them in a normal use case. It’s not a CCW

      If the tech works normally is another question, but who knows if it does until people test it out

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        "My hands might be sweaty" is not an outlandish scenario

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >hands are sweaty

          Ok no problem, the infrared facial recognition will unlock the gun

          • 1 month ago
            Burt

            They always "forget" that part
            inb4 he comes up with some additional ridiculous happening that somehow prevents that from working, like you were roleplaying in a gimp mask when something goes bump in the night

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >inb4 he comes up with some additional ridiculous happening that somehow prevents that from working, like you were roleplaying in a gimp mask when something goes bump in the night
              i just don't trust that their shitty chink circuit boards will function when they need to
              >captcha SANJAY
              sanjay is probably the name of the guy who coded the firmware

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                I don't either but these threads always boil down to where the "need" line is. If it's anywhere beyond sitting on a shelf inside a house and being used once in a lifetime or regularly on a range it's unreasonable imo. If you are expecting to be able to chuck it at concrete 1,500 times, back over it with a Komatsu, shoot corrosive ammo, clean it with piss, bury it in cosmoline for 150 years and have it work, yeah, nah that ain't it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is your basic Glockoff does all that and more, and the lock mechanism is on par with TSA approved™. Locks only keep out honest people.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Be me
                >Having BDSM night with wifey and our bull
                >In timeout handcuffed to my punishment chair while he finishes because I tapped out too early
                >Suddenly a loud crash startles all three of us
                >Something is in the garage
                >Where I keep my duplicate funko pops
                >Spring into action and grab my bioisraelite fart gun
                >Drag timeout chair behind me down the stairs
                >Thump
                >Thump
                >Thump
                >Kick open garage door
                >Face to face with a 400lbs black bear high off his ass on cocaine from that one movie
                >Take aim and pull trigger
                >Doesn’t work
                >Sanjay the programmer was careless
                >He was programming, providing mediocre customer service for AT&T, and reheating his curry in the break room microwave all at once
                >I am Revenanted by the bear
                Many such cases

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Never had kinky sex and had to call the safe word because something went bump in the night eh?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don’t know anything about how their sensor works but I do wonder how glasses or sunglasses affect it? Somebody who normally wears glasses wouldn’t sleep with them and if it’s a carry gun you could certainly be wearing sunglasses when out and about. Might not matter but worth a thought

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                I would imagine it's the same as an iPhone or Samshit with the same tech, though we'll have to wait and see. I wear glasses so I'll try to remember to test with and without

                The problem is your basic Glockoff does all that and more, and the lock mechanism is on par with TSA approved™. Locks only keep out honest people.

                Why is [option #9,001] a problem? Buy the Glockoff, buy whatever you want. And what lock? There is no lock on the gun, there's nothing for anyone to pry or pick or cut. It's electronically locked, like a locked cell phone telephone. What does honesty have to do with unlocking it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I bet you it would take me five minutes with a hammer and a flathead screwdriver to mechanically disable the electronic safety.
                Barring that, a multimeter and a low voltage power supply is going to get the thing open for sure, if you're a dedicated tinkerer.
                I would not put it past some 13 year old gang-banger to render a stolen "smart gun" operational, I really don't think it would be that hard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're fighting with a paid tripBlack person shill, anon. It's not worth it.

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                You have no idea what you're talking about because we have no idea what's actually in the things because they're not in peoples' hands. Can you "defeat" a cell phone with a screwdriver or a multimeter? No you cannot. The smartest computer "inventing," alarm clock "building" future astronaut shilled on CNN could not.

                They said it's "fly by wire," that "there is no mechanical connection between the trigger and the striker" so unless that is a lie I don't see how you're going to "disable" that with a screwdriver. Maybe you could break something or force the sear to let the striker go one time by bending or snapping it out of the way but that's not "disabling" the lock, that's just breaking it and preventing it from working at all. That's the equivalent of prying the battery out of a Galaxy and saying you unlocked it.

                When the guy put a magnet up to an Armatix and bypassed the electromagnet it allowed him to fire the gun continuously, THAT is "disabling" the electronic lock. Maybe that's possible here, but since that doesn't work on phones, I doubt it.

                You're fighting with a paid tripBlack person shill, anon. It's not worth it.

                Nobody's fighting. Do you have some on topic discussion to lay down or are you just here to rabble rouse?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If the Bio-Fire is electronically fired, you rip out the chipset and start applying voltage to wires until your multimeter reads a closed circuit on your electric firing system
                If it's a mechanical system that has mechanical safety mechanisms that are electronically activated, then you disable the mechanical safeties.
                Somewhere there is either a hammer, a spring and a trigger, or there's a solenoid. This product doesn't invent anything, it just packages many already existing features into a completely garbage product.
                It's trash, and you're trash for defending it.

                So it's an electronically activated solenoid. Got it.
                Wrap a 9-volt battery around the grip with some duct-tape, drill a few holes and connect some wires to the solenoid terminals and close the loop when you want to fire.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Those 13 year old gang bangers can't even drill holes straight on a p80, you are giving them credit for something you probably couldn't even do.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If the Bio-Fire is electronically fired, you rip out the chipset and start applying voltage to wires until your multimeter reads a closed circuit on your electric firing system
                If it's a mechanical system that has mechanical safety mechanisms that are electronically activated, then you disable the mechanical safeties.
                Somewhere there is either a hammer, a spring and a trigger, or there's a solenoid. This product doesn't invent anything, it just packages many already existing features into a completely garbage product.
                It's trash, and you're trash for defending it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's electronically locked
                Oh dear god it's moronic. My dude an "electronic lock" is a solenoid interfering with the mechanism. You bust that shit off with a screwdriver.

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                They said it's "fly by wire." Now maybe that means it's a solenoid activating the sear, but that also means it cannot be a solenoid blocking the sear, because they said there is no mechanical connection between the trigger and striker. So ASSuming that's the way it works, how would a screwdriver bypass the physical gap?

                this is really the killer reason why nobody will make a smart gun, because you basically can't have the legal utility of a smart gun without giving the software in the gun the ability to be updated and that is the achilles heel of any type of integrated electronics.

                if it is a black box that you cannot update for the life of the device, then it will probably work just fine even if it connects to the internet - if it doesn't have writeable storage, it can't be modified. can't put a virus on something that can't retain any information. you put a nand flash chip on it and make it self-writeable and hell breaks loose

                If it fires out of the box, why would it ever need to be updated? EVER? It definitely has writable storage because you can add or remove security profiles from the gun itself via hard link with the base station, that doesn't mean you HAVE to update it.

                this shit looks like it was designed by a committee of three salesmen, two female project managers, six political consultants, and one engineer

                there's legislation in gay states that's already passed where as soon as guns that feature "biometric locks that disable the gun for anyone but the intended user" that becomes the only thing allowed on the market

                >becomes the only thing allowed on the market
                False. That law was squished. There are no others like it in the country. Cite your sources.

                I can't tell if those are tool marks or layer lines, could be that the material and heat just comes out that color? Though the side not being completely rust colored kind of rules that out.

                The ones I've seen up close look to be fairly traditional pistols hidden under the gubbins. If they're cheap enough I would pick one up just to have another oddball gun and disable the electronics, not because of the paranoia surrounding these or anything, just to simplify it and be able to pass it around and never have to think about it again.

                >be able to pass it around
                Damn I never thought of this, you'd never be able to share it would you? I hope it has an "open" mode so you can let other people shoot it without scanning their biometrics, it'd be pretty stupid if it lacked that feature!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they said there is no mechanical connection between the trigger and striker
                Oh even better, you can just jam a bit of wire in and bypass the bullshit. Fricking geniuses so they are.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If it fires out of the box, why would it ever need to be updated? EVER?
                >t. never developed software or systems
                there will inevitably be bugs found in software and it will inevitably be updated, especially for something where it running correctly is life-or-death
                it has a "smart dock" that also likely doubles as a OTA software update station, which also probably hosts the read/write component of the software given there are no buttons or controls on the gun itself. Most likely if you want to do anything with it, you'll have to dump it in the cradle

                >I hope it has an "open" mode so you can let other people shoot it without scanning their biometrics
                that defeats the entire purpose of the gun because most sane people would just leave it on open mode then. it also creates a liability unless you have some kind of mechanism where you can "open mode it" only for 8 hours or something before it locks again, otherwise little jimmy shoots himself in the head after dad leaves the gun in open mode lying on the kitchen table

                This is yet another stupid high tech "idiot proof" solution that will lead society to produce better idiots
                This solves zero problems that being a responsible adult wouldn't already solve, and introduces many failure modes to a piece of equipment that by nature needs to be usable within half-seconds.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                also
                >put all of this shit in a gun but don't do the one thing that truly matters
                >live recording camera that turns on as soon as the thing begins to authenticate, protecting the user from getting ass blasted in court

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                If they let it out the door in a firing state, there should never be any reason to update it. And even if you did update it and it tries to connect to home unbidden all the time, you could completely pull the rug out from under it by changing your wifi password.
                >you can "open mode it" only for 8 hours or something
                Yeah, that's the obvious way to do it. That's how the Armatix works except with a proximity component. That's not a liability, it would be really stupid of them not to include that feature so you can show it off to your rich baizuo antigun friends and sell more units.

                also
                >put all of this shit in a gun but don't do the one thing that truly matters
                >live recording camera that turns on as soon as the thing begins to authenticate, protecting the user from getting ass blasted in court

                That, and having a laser instead of a light are the two biggest shits anyone can dump on this thing. Really really stupid not to include a light, but they said they didn't have room for a light so they wouldn't have had room for a laser either.

                Also a camera would necessitate frequent wireless connection which would drive the schizos in these threads absolutely hysterical with rage.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >camera would necessitate frequent wireless connection
                SD card in the gun, camera records on SD card, with a warning light that goes on if it's 90% full.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they said there is no mechanical connection between the trigger and striker
                Kek, fricking brilliant. So it's not just an electronically-actuated mechanical lock, it NEEDS the electronics to even function as a gun? Or, looking at it another way, the firing of the gun is electronically controlled?
                What could possibly go wrong?

              • 1 month ago
                Burt

                Some cars have had this for awhile, you don't hear about rampant problems in the West. I recall hearing about a Toyota runaway but I believe that predates fly by wire vehicle control by a decade or more so I think that was mechanical. It's not a problem outside chiner where, obviously, skill and consideration for human life is at an absolute minimum lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, the CIA has literally assassinated people by accelerating their cars into a tree.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure the cars have redundancies built in.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What kind of redundancies do you think they have, you've got a rheostat at the pedal and a servo motor at the throttle body, extra wires?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you wonder? We don’t know what you wonder. Or was that not actually a question and you’re just a zoomer?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Facial recognition is pretty flawed, remember when any Asian could open any Asians phone?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >hands are sweaty

              Ok no problem, the infrared facial recognition will unlock the gun

              I 100% guarantee there is some backdoor fed kill switch like in MGS

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >wearing pup mask
              >partner is fisting me while I'm strapped to the saw horse
              >hear crash as door gets kicked in
              >three poor urban youths disadvantaged by the gentrification I brought to their neighborhood seeking to equitably redistribute my belongings
              >partner passes out in fear despite claiming to be a "dom top"
              >pull the quick releases on the leather shackles
              >roll to the night stand and draw my biofire smart gun
              >"What da frick dees yt boys doin?"
              >try to say "Kink is part of Pride!" But it's muffled by the gag
              >one steps forward to hate crime me and I pull the trigger
              >gun fires because I made sure to set my pup mask as an authorized shooter
              >two scatter out the door as the one crumples to the floor staining my throw rug
              >groans "I din do nuffin"
              >pull the 8" penis gag out of my throat and tell him "It's preference, not racism" as he bleeds out
              Works on my machine

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Whats the point of biometric locked bedside gun when you could just have a biometric locked bedside safe with a normal gun in it that doesn't have any additional points of failure

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This doesn't have to go in a safe! It can be freely accessed by anyone in the house! Nothing bad can come of that no sir!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it can be freely accessed by anyone in the house
            >by anyone
            You fricking moron

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Frankly I'm not a fan of toddlers chewing on guns or undesirables pinching my shit but that's how your castle rolls I guess.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you leave a gun where a toddler can get it you deserve to get it chewed on
                >undesirables
                If they've gotten that far inside your house you are already in the afterlife

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like safes are useful.
                >you have to be home for robberies
                Lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >let me just open my safe firs-ACKK

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                homie what year are you in? What nightstand safe on the market uses a fricking dial anymore?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's how my grandpa got capped. He was a GG/boomer fudd who believed in locking his shit up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post guns

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Which safe?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't care but that's a clever way to not post a gun

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Have the bedside safe that cost a whopping $400

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You posted a gun you're good. We have no more beef

                I also have a similar safe. I may have misunderstood what you meant. Posted gun and evidence of having children in the name of fairness for calling you out

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I used to keep them all over the house, friend of a friend (pos) lost a kid that way so now I'm a believer in safes. Moreno than I was before, not like I had the gun closet some anons have.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with this. The funny thing is that people are treating this gun like it will prevent either of these scenarios but it won't. It's still a dangerous thing that shouldn't be left out in the open around kids. Anyone who doesn't want someone to steal it should either have it on them or lock it away for storage.

                I don't think this should be a matter of law, but rather being responsible for your community. Most gun crimes are committed with stolen firearms, locking it up is a good way to add a barrier to slow criminals down and make it so the police have time to respond. Mind you I'm aware of the unfortunate reality is that several state governments are trying to add this as yet another barrier in place to stop people from owning guns. If they really wanted to solve the problem they'd provide safes for free but that will never happen.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No u. Seriously though what do you think you are refuting or what? He has a point and you have 0.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because people would gladly throw more money and put themselves at greater risk with a product that allows them to be lazier. You see for the average moron that finds going out to the store just too hard and would rather pay a premium for some stranger to get it for them it's a wonderful product

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Be me
        >Sitting at home alone in my bed
        >Wife working night shift at hospital
        >Playing COD
        >Eating Doritos and pizza rolls
        >Marathon fap sessions
        >Bang! Crash! Thud!
        >Leap to my feet and open bedside drawer
        >Grab my super cool techno fingerprint safety gun
        >Confront Jamarcus Letrell and Kaepernickus as they steal my tv stockpile of Mexican coke
        >Kaepernickus reaches for his waste
        >Squeeze trigger
        >Nothing
        >Sweat, grease, lube, and dorito crumbs are smeared all over the fingerprint sensor
        >Squeeze again in rapid succession
        >Luckily Kaepernickus isn’t armed
        >But he’s undoing his pants
        >Oh no
        >Reach for my butthole revolver (no Hillary hole) and clack off all three
        These guns are not for people like us

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They already thought of that, which is why it's not just a fingerprint sensor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Post guns

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          One of many

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The gun is made to be a bedside hi for home defense.
        Why would you ever intentionally give a home defense gun more points of failure for no reason? You're not just leaving a loaded fricking gun within the reach of unauthorized people, right? Also frick you redditor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It only needs to not work once™

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, the gun is made so that it can be shut off remotely by a big tech company colluding with the government. It's not about the gun being in the "proper" hands, it's about ensuring that whomever has the gun can only use it when the computer inside deems you worthy of shooting it.

        It's draconian nonsense.

        For example, my Bersa has a keylock system in the frame of the gun. It takes less than a second to render the gun able to shoot but only with my key. A small cheap modification can make most guns like this but this company doesn't care about the owner being able to use the gun they legally purchased. THEY want to be able to control when the gun is used.

        Another problem is that sweat does interfere with fingerprint scanners. I use one daily and it's always screwing up if you don't change the battery regularly and if your fingers are even slightly sweaty, it usually won't register.

        It's so dumb from a business and economic standpoint to try to marry a mechanical device with digital electronics to function. It's smart from a tyrannical standpoint if you want to control the ability of your citizens to defend themselves.

        It's also a concept that is being rushed because a few states tried to push Bio-metric scanners on guns in a recent bill but had it appealed because the tech literally doesn't exist. It would have been a blanket de-facto gun ban, so now this company is rushing to get the tech finished. Some state government (probably California or Oregon) will soon demand by writ that all guns have this feature, which would be basically be a massive giveaway Biofire to sell their product to "willing" gun companies. And if they don't, then no guns for anyone in that state.

        Low-key, I would buy that gun if it didn't have the cuck sensor. I love cybergats.

        • 1 month ago
          Burt

          >the gun is made so that it can be shut off remotely
          How does it do that if you don't give it the wifi password? Through the power line? A hidden SIM card and cell antenna? ULF commands from submarines hidden off the coast?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You never seem to respond to the more sane criticisms, curious.

            • 1 month ago
              Burt

              Why would I oppose a reasonable argument? That makes no sense. Not that the majority of that post is reasonable. Do you expect me to pat every reasonable comment on the head? I'm not going to do that any more than I'm going to dissect every single mindblowing insane point line by line from these Kaczynski schizos, it would be maddeningly fruitless. But I'll ask reasonable questions, like that one you're replying to, and I'll keep not expecting reasonable replies

              How do you like that ria 5.0? It looks cool but haven’t ever seen one irl

              Like a lot of my weird guns I really love it for being weird, but it's hard to like for any practical reason honestly. Well I guess recoil is very low for caliber. But the trigger is not very good, the ergonomics are not good, the price is REALLY bad since they heebed it into the ionosphere, and mine broke so I had to send it back to RIA, where they held it hostage under moronic circumstances for like 4 months. It's not a 2011 killer or anything, it's more like a weird Glock

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >hidden SIM card
            Those are incredibly small. It wouldn’t be that hard to hide

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this is really the killer reason why nobody will make a smart gun, because you basically can't have the legal utility of a smart gun without giving the software in the gun the ability to be updated and that is the achilles heel of any type of integrated electronics.

            if it is a black box that you cannot update for the life of the device, then it will probably work just fine even if it connects to the internet - if it doesn't have writeable storage, it can't be modified. can't put a virus on something that can't retain any information. you put a nand flash chip on it and make it self-writeable and hell breaks loose

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Free as in freedom and open source smart gun when?
            It'd solve the collusion issue, and you can review the code yourself (it shouldn't be that complicated, finger print sensors are relatively simple)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The same way cars and commercial planes are remotely backdoored by the feds. If it's not in a faraday cage it can be remotely back doored. gay.

            • 1 month ago
              Burt

              Anon, the CIA has literally assassinated people by accelerating their cars into a tree.

              lol you guys are great

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >uses Burt Gummer’s name in vain by trusting the government
                You should honestly consider suicide. Have you never heard of Michael Hastings
                >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)
                What a coincidence that a guy reporting on government illegally spying on citizens, general spook activities, and how the government can remotely take over your car, just happened to die from his car accelerating and crashing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you know its got a facial camera explicitly because of the unreliability of fingerprint readers right?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >No, the gun is made so that it can be shut off remotely by a big tech company colluding with the government
          I would believe this if it weren't running into problems hitting the market. If this were the plan, they'd have the entire Fed's printing press behind them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I get finger printed for my punch clock and it doesn't work half the time and you have to keep trying. Just saying...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They're certainly not all made the same. I've had a few on devices over the years with varying reliability. I had one on a phone a few years back that pretty much always worked. I suspect this is as much sacrificing accuracy as it is the software and hardware improving.
          I would guess they're going to go on the more lenient end for reliability, though that opens up the possibility for a false match which would 100% sink the company, so I could see it going either way.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the counterargument to that is "well it has a facial recognition camera too"
          the big issue is that it has a similar issue to keyless cars and all of the other random upselling high-tech shit, which is introducing failure modes to something will only ever make it less reliable
          if you stick your key in your ignition and turn it, and your car doesn't start, it's basically a three step process:
          >car powers on - not the battery
          >car turns over extremely weakly - okay maybe it is the battery
          >car powers on but doesn't turn over at all - frick, it's the starter
          with keyless fob shit, it could be any of the following:
          >fob's dead
          >car can't read the fob because the sensor's dead
          >battery's dead
          >starter's dead
          >something's wrong with the software
          >something's wrong with the anti-theft system

          it's the same thing as a software-defined power button on a laptop, or any of the other backwards moronic "features" added to shit

          here's how I'd make a really good smart gun:
          >cradle/holster (can be bolted to a surface like a vise) with 45-55lbs of force-to-overcome (grip and rip) retention
          >has a fingerprint scanner and/or gesture lock that gets rid of that retention force and looses the gun
          >as soon as it's drawn from the cradle it starts recording to an internal SSD while also streaming to either a server or storage on the dock itself via wifi
          >configurable loud siren that activates when the gun is either ripped from the cradle or unlocked (can be turned off, user preference)
          >laser and light with switches
          >RMR cutout
          >ammunition counter on the back
          >open-source SDK that allows you to have it talk to your home security system, smart home systems, cloud storage, literally whatever
          >cradle has keyed lockout where nothing can get it out of the cradle if activated
          >sell smart and "dumb" offline cradles for car, other places in the house, etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if the tech works, it doesn't, but if it remotely works NJ will reenstate their handgun ban and all the dem states will follow. its like how the dem states are currently using/trying to use microstamping to create defacto handgun bans even though microstamping also doesn't work
        >reddit spacing
        you are obviously a israeli shill who wants a gun ban

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >For home defense
        That fails like frick because you could've just made a more whizz bang electro gizmo gun safe to fit any gun. More specifically a much more effective long gun instead it's the most mediocre handgun to exist.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not buying your grift. Use it on yourself.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Preordering anything ever
    moronation

  6. 1 month ago
    Burt

    Things are looking a little crunchy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shit it was wood all along

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fuark, is that all rust?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They've obviously been testing it to make sure it works covered in blood and sweat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure all that fricking rust dust totally won't infiltrate the electronics and brick your fricking gun iphone hahaha lmao.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I can't tell if those are tool marks or layer lines, could be that the material and heat just comes out that color? Though the side not being completely rust colored kind of rules that out.

      The ones I've seen up close look to be fairly traditional pistols hidden under the gubbins. If they're cheap enough I would pick one up just to have another oddball gun and disable the electronics, not because of the paranoia surrounding these or anything, just to simplify it and be able to pass it around and never have to think about it again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sure all that fricking rust dust totally won't infiltrate the electronics and brick your fricking gun iphone hahaha lmao.

        Holy fuark, is that all rust?

        it does look like wood but i'd assume it's copper traces?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like a shitty nerf gun my kids would break a week after christmas. Or something my wife would use to insert a tampon

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Listen man, I'm not opposed to IoT devices, but you need to tell me how it improves the functionality. Does it automatically fire if a black is in front of the muzzle? What about a pitbull? What kind of machine learning image recognition software are we talking here? What is the resolution of the threat detection camera? Call me when I can hold this thing in one hand and just spin on the spot and it'll take out the encroaching tyrone menace.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dont forget, Tyrone AND his pitbull he doesnt like to keep leashed because its just misunderstood..and left outside all year..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Tyrone also has a 100 year old iver johnson he bought off his crack dealer that he will kill you with while you're charging your gay iGun.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Where'd he get .32 rimfire to load it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nowhere because Iver Johnson where almost all in either .38sw .32sw which is still in production today.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Listen man, I'm not opposed to IoT devices
      Cuck. Death to IoT.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Forget that these things probably won't work as intended and the endless cope of people that already preordered one. The main thing is these are homosexual as frick. No it's not like judge dredd or whatever comic book you try to convince yourself you're living in. It is simply supremely gay

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe Bloomberg can kick in some cash to help them out.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Whats the point of biometric locked bedside gun when you could just have a biometric locked bedside safe with a normal gun in it that doesn't have any additional points of failure

    Safes are heavy and not every bedside has enough space for one. Plus they aren't all that portable and might be ugly to some.
    Theoretically, if you bring the charging cradle along, you can basically turn any bedstand you may come across into a safe big enough for this gun. Any hotel, any relatives' home, even by the sofa in the living room - plug in the cradle, bam, you have a bedside safe. That might be worthwhile to some people out there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you leaving a gun out of your control?
      >YOU CAN LEAVE A GUN ANYWHERE SAFELY! (provided you bring the dock and have a working electrical outlet teehee)
      Is the constant fricking shill line that always gets shilled in these thread. If you are leaving a loaded gun outside your control you are being negligent at best and reckless at worst. A gun needs to be either on your person or otherwise in your direct immediate control or it needs to be unloaded and locked away. There is no middle ground where you should be leaving a loaded fricking gun just out in your house and if you do then have fun in prison when a kid takes your stupid fricking iphone and and bangs it on the floor in just the right way to defeat the shitty IoT lock and shoot themselves in the face. Frick you and frick the iphonification of all consumer goods. I can't even drive a modern car without a billion fricking Chinese computer systems screaming at me for gripping the steering wheel wrong. Frick your Bloomberg-funded antigun israelite technology that you want to be mandatory in every firearm. have a nice day, shill.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hear that gun can tell that ywnbaw

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    How is using a picture of the gun “using an avatar” moron?

    It only needs to not work once™

    Same as every other home defense gun then?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      NTA but yeah it's the same except you're adding in extra points of failure. Mind you it seems like they've added contingencies. Not really sure what use this gun is though. It's a gun you supposedly can just leave out in the open and your kids won't be able to use it. However I don't think leaving a gun like this out in the open would be advisable because it can still be stolen and at that point you need to report it stolen. Some states have/want to make it a 24 hour reporting period or you go to jail. It's not going to matter to anyone if it's a smart gun, it's still a stolen gun. Ergo, why the frick would you opt for a gun with failure points built in when you could just use a safe?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every other home defense gun has fewer points of failure. That’s the point. When has a HD gun had a failure resulting in the homeowner dying? None that I’ve heard of and I imagine it’s very rare. How many times have you had some electronic device not respond when you wanted? I’m guessing at least a handful of times. I’ll admit it’s not exactly the same because there’s really not much software running anything to mess up but it’s still another thing that can go wrong.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frick you and the piece of shit jammomatic connection losing failure prone 22lr. When people die because this thing has an issue during a home invention I hope the families sue the idea and the company into the ground like sandy hook

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Typical engineers creating solutions to problems that don't exist.
    Might be worth some money in the future when it's been relegated to the curio cabinet though.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >jewgle funded electronic gun that totally doesn't have a tracking chip or killswitch installed
    Yeah this shit glows bright as frick. If you buy this you're a clown.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What does google gain from smart guns? What do they gain from investing in a woke gun brand? Seems like a brand risk, unless there is a certain group of people behind this. The media told me those conspiracies aren't true though so guess not!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >what do control freak anti gunners get from remotely controlling guns
        >why would they want a back door into defacto gun control
        If it “works” it wouldn’t be hard to lobby some states to add a a legal requirement all guns need this added to them. In California alone that’s tens of millions of units. If that somehow passed nationally (it wouldn’t) that’s 500M units at a minimum.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >woke gun brand

        what exactly is woke about it?
        they donate to Pink Pistols or something?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          this shit looks like it was designed by a committee of three salesmen, two female project managers, six political consultants, and one engineer

          there's legislation in gay states that's already passed where as soon as guns that feature "biometric locks that disable the gun for anyone but the intended user" that becomes the only thing allowed on the market

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >there's legislation in gay states that's already passed where as soon as guns that feature "biometric locks that disable the gun for anyone but the intended user" that becomes the only thing allowed on the market
            And the nano-second that happens, some kid is going to defeat it and shoot himself in the head, and the manufacturers will be stuck in legislation for the next thousand years.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              So what dipshit nobody cares about the manufacturer, the state will still require all all other companies to use this tech because it was already brought to the market in a Just as good only gotten a few families killed and raped but think of the children it's saved countless people, countless because it will save literally zero people.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I thought that was just new jersey and they removed that law within the past few years.
            Frick jersey anyways. Cali too.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Jersey for sure, dunno about Cali.
              Not like it'll stop them from just passing the same shit again in the dark of night with slightly different wording though.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just microstamping for now in CA, which Bruen (or something similar) put on hold.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          aero precision catches endless shit for not rebelling against their state vaccine mandate, yet somehow reddit tourists are sucking this steaming piece of shit's dick despite biometric safes being like $90

          >there's legislation in gay states that's already passed where as soon as guns that feature "biometric locks that disable the gun for anyone but the intended user" that becomes the only thing allowed on the market
          And the nano-second that happens, some kid is going to defeat it and shoot himself in the head, and the manufacturers will be stuck in legislation for the next thousand years.

          >some kid is going to defeat it and shoot himself in the head, and the manufacturers will be stuck in legislation for the next thousand years
          nah, I guarantee they have some spooky funding from some spooky person and the case will get dropped with prejudice for no legal standing the second it hits an appeals course
          it's the same mumbo jumbo that prevents medical companies from being sued unless they piss off the wrong politician

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Medical companies don't get sued because federal law exempts them from liability.
            This is not the case for firearms manufacturers.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              unless they show negligence or fabricate data, which is at the discretion of the FDA and government to investigate
              I worked on the Cook IVC filter case, it wasn't until it snowballed into an unmanageable number of complaints that the FDA was compelled to investigate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This

      What does google gain from smart guns? What do they gain from investing in a woke gun brand? Seems like a brand risk, unless there is a certain group of people behind this. The media told me those conspiracies aren't true though so guess not!

      >What does one of the most powerful companies in the world literally named ALPHABET gain from investing in guns that certainly have a back door?

      No, the gun is made so that it can be shut off remotely by a big tech company colluding with the government. It's not about the gun being in the "proper" hands, it's about ensuring that whomever has the gun can only use it when the computer inside deems you worthy of shooting it.

      It's draconian nonsense.

      For example, my Bersa has a keylock system in the frame of the gun. It takes less than a second to render the gun able to shoot but only with my key. A small cheap modification can make most guns like this but this company doesn't care about the owner being able to use the gun they legally purchased. THEY want to be able to control when the gun is used.

      Another problem is that sweat does interfere with fingerprint scanners. I use one daily and it's always screwing up if you don't change the battery regularly and if your fingers are even slightly sweaty, it usually won't register.

      It's so dumb from a business and economic standpoint to try to marry a mechanical device with digital electronics to function. It's smart from a tyrannical standpoint if you want to control the ability of your citizens to defend themselves.

      It's also a concept that is being rushed because a few states tried to push Bio-metric scanners on guns in a recent bill but had it appealed because the tech literally doesn't exist. It would have been a blanket de-facto gun ban, so now this company is rushing to get the tech finished. Some state government (probably California or Oregon) will soon demand by writ that all guns have this feature, which would be basically be a massive giveaway Biofire to sell their product to "willing" gun companies. And if they don't, then no guns for anyone in that state.

      Low-key, I would buy that gun if it didn't have the cuck sensor. I love cybergats.

      Also this. I’d invest in this shit, sell immediately after launch knowing its going to be an abysmal failure but cuck states will cause an artificial sales bump forcing them into school resource officer duty or some shit, and use the gains to donate to trump just for the irony.

      https://i.imgur.com/MqVXJu4.jpeg

      >the gun is made so that it can be shut off remotely
      How does it do that if you don't give it the wifi password? Through the power line? A hidden SIM card and cell antenna? ULF commands from submarines hidden off the coast?

      >And just how are they going to get my crypto password?
      Go ask that question on biz and see what responses you get.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Eventually someone will perfect the technology and it will be mandatory for all newly manufactured guns.
    Screenshot this for 2035. We'll all still be here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is to really make it effective you'd need electronic ignition. They really don't fricking want people jailbreaking select fire.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    dumbass award

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    afraid of guns that are a little TOO smart, huh?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy, can't wait to get carpetbombed with state level legislation that bans all guns that don't have all these innovative smart safety features because gun companies "have no excuse now" except for wanting more dead children.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    https://i.imgur.com/SxppKfk.jpeg

    If they let it out the door in a firing state, there should never be any reason to update it. And even if you did update it and it tries to connect to home unbidden all the time, you could completely pull the rug out from under it by changing your wifi password.
    >you can "open mode it" only for 8 hours or something
    Yeah, that's the obvious way to do it. That's how the Armatix works except with a proximity component. That's not a liability, it would be really stupid of them not to include that feature so you can show it off to your rich baizuo antigun friends and sell more units.

    [...]
    That, and having a laser instead of a light are the two biggest shits anyone can dump on this thing. Really really stupid not to include a light, but they said they didn't have room for a light so they wouldn't have had room for a laser either.

    Also a camera would necessitate frequent wireless connection which would drive the schizos in these threads absolutely hysterical with rage.

    >If they let it out the door in a firing state, there should never be any reason to update it.
    you'll inevitably find weird oddly specific circumstances that cause hangs or errors that lock the thing down, i.e.
    >user reported that the system will fail to unlock and not acknowledge further input when the thumbprint scanner and fingerprint scanner are touched at different times while making a basedjack face
    I work in med device systems and user complaints will return some of the most insane use-cases that still prompt an update and a CAPA because when you're talking about medicine and guns, every potential failure mode can be a SEV 5 even if it's OCC is 1
    >you could completely pull the rug out from under it by changing your wifi password
    they have palantir on their network so I highly doubt that'd work. if they're assuming you're plugging it in to the dock to charge, they'll assume you can always have it connected to the net. it'd probably pop up with a notification like "Your gun is disabled; connection to the Biofire server allows us to install updates on your gun to ensure your safety and good function of your firearm. Please connect to a network to continue using."

    • 1 month ago
      Burt

      Fair enough on the update point
      >"Your gun is disabled; connection to the Biofire server allows us to install updates on your gun
      That would kill the company. I'd like to think they know better than that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You'd be amazed, there was a juicer that needed wifi to operate.

        • 1 month ago
          Burt

          And look what happened to it with astonishing alacrity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just like AR, AI, and a billion other things that have promise, they'll kill it by being morons and not understanding what the market actually wants.
        it'll end up designed by committee with stupid product scope management, just like the Firebird X

        They can keep their biometrics scanners. I just want them to modify the FCG into a drop-in Tavor trigger with the apparent lack of mechanical linkage.

        Now that I think about it, how did they get past the ATF's "electronic trigger in a semi-auto is a machine gun" bullshit?

        >ATF's "electronic trigger in a semi-auto is a machine gun" bullshit
        the ATF legislates by opinion
        unless something pisses them off, or they get asked a question, they generally don't rule on anything
        even if someone asked them a question about it, their open letter would probably read something like
        >"it's designed to only fire once per trigger pull so it's fine"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It'd be easy enough to hide that. Just claim that as "additional security protections" the Biofire shuts itself off if not docked within a certain period of time as an additional anti-theft mechanism.

        Just like AR, AI, and a billion other things that have promise, they'll kill it by being morons and not understanding what the market actually wants.
        it'll end up designed by committee with stupid product scope management, just like the Firebird X
        [...]
        >ATF's "electronic trigger in a semi-auto is a machine gun" bullshit
        the ATF legislates by opinion
        unless something pisses them off, or they get asked a question, they generally don't rule on anything
        even if someone asked them a question about it, their open letter would probably read something like
        >"it's designed to only fire once per trigger pull so it's fine"

        I've never seen anything from the atf to that effect, only a bunch of people saying that it's a logical conclusion.
        You can (and I have) make a simple trigger mechanism with a solinoid or servo to operate a traditional sear and hammer with no ICs that has no potential to go full auto.. unless you insert an IC timing chip into ît.

        https://i.imgur.com/V2spCBD.jpeg

        Some cars have had this for awhile, you don't hear about rampant problems in the West. I recall hearing about a Toyota runaway but I believe that predates fly by wire vehicle control by a decade or more so I think that was mechanical. It's not a problem outside chiner where, obviously, skill and consideration for human life is at an absolute minimum lol

        >Biofire pulled from market two weeks after it hits shelves because people keep converting them to full auto

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're talking about forced OTA nwo schizo updates, not bug fixes and improvements to the ID software.
      >connection to the Biofire server allows us to install updates on your gun to ensure your safety and good function of your firearm. Please connect to a network to continue using."
      Yeah, that's not terribly unlikely unfortunately.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They can keep their biometrics scanners. I just want them to modify the FCG into a drop-in Tavor trigger with the apparent lack of mechanical linkage.

    Now that I think about it, how did they get past the ATF's "electronic trigger in a semi-auto is a machine gun" bullshit?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've never seen anything from the atf to that effect, only a bunch of people saying that it's a logical conclusion.
      You can (and I have) make a simple trigger mechanism with a solinoid or servo to operate a traditional sear and hammer with no ICs that has no potential to go full auto.. unless you insert an IC timing chip into ît.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >gun actually looks cool
    >everything about it is cancer

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because the tech doesn't work. fricking everytown was doing ads for them. the gun has a kill switch for the feds and is designed not to fire at blacks

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so is the manufacturer going to be liable if it fails to work when it needs to?

    • 1 month ago
      Burt

      Sure they will. Until the venture capital runs out...

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I cannot wait for these to be in peoples hands, only for them to discover they do not work and they bought a $1500 paperweight. Only for the government to make it mandatory anyway.

    Heads will roll and I will finally feel what it's like to assassinate a US politician, I cannot wait.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My phone fingerprint scanner doesn't work after I wash my hands after using the bathroom. Why the frick would I ever trust that technology on a fricking gun?

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1200 dollars for something Smith & Wesson has been doing for free for 30 years without any electronics.
    Behold, a personalized gun!

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So many fricking dent heads shilling this dogshit which was fricking obviously made by an opportunist who was seeking to make an item that antis theorized about so they can milk the "2A BUT" crowd and the antigun investors.
    I don't give a frick how much you say "buh da teknologee is gud enouff!"
    Frick this entire concept, and frick the morons arguing that this is remotely viable and genuinely under the belief that this things existence won't be some example used to further frick gun rights.
    Can't wait for the next argument explaining how microstamping is a good, viable idea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This anon fricks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >NOW DA GUBBERMENT IS GONNA TAKE OUR GUNZZZ
      Yes anon, I am sure this handgun will change the playing field forever. The floodgates are opening. The slope is slipping. The rooster's head is in the ass. Once this gun goes out to the public the ATF is going to start mandating microchips in your brain, which is why they keep getting btfo in court every day, they just found their perfect excuse now heckin nobody can stop them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >da gubmint wood never do that
        Yeah, no shit they aren't going to do something that stupid.
        That doesn't mean it's not something they keep in mind for future bullfrickery decades jn the future. Antis have been throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks for decades. They tried to make this an actual mandated thing in NJ I believe.
        >buh that law got struck down!
        Yes, and so have AWBs on hundreds of occasions, doesn't mean it's not still stupid shit we see attempted repeatedly. It's an overly complicated product made specifically for political clout, attempting to solve a problem basic human competence and hundreds of other, cheaper and easier to get products aid in solving. There's absolutely no reason to entertain the notion of this steaming pile of shit that even at its absolute best, has an inherant fault point that cannot completely be eliminated, and, once again, only exists so the knuckledraggers that donate to MDA and these "tech startup" companies can pat themselves on the back and say "look we are doing something!"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This anon fricks

      samegay

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >“The introduction of a smart gun to the consumer market is proof that, despite what legacy gun manufacturers may say publicly, the technology to accurately detect an authorized gun user is not only possible, it’s here already,” said Nick Suplina, Senior Vice President of Law & Policy at Everytown for Gun Safety, who recently tested the firearm. “Smart guns can ensure that guns are accessible by their owners and no one else. Gun manufacturers now have a viable road map for innovating towards safety — and it’s on them to act. ”
    really gets the noggin joggin

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