With the benefit of hindsight, Putin's inability to think beyond WWII USSR fighting is clear. His entire mode of combat thought is limited to "throw men to die/fire lots of things".
Ukraine, while understanding Soviet thought, actually IMPROVED upon it by fusing it with a lot of Western philosophy.
Operation Uranus 2 was nothing short of fricking genius. They hit the Russians in such a way they ROUTED them in one spot, and trapped them in another.
What is this bullshit
Putin is a Glowie. He's an FSb***h to his fricking cufflinks. He doesn't do military action, he does psyops, assassinations, and coups.
The three day war was planned as a psyop and the fact that they wound up fighting for real fricked them. He was hoping for FoW, FUD, chaos and instability. For the bribes they'd been paying to work, for Ukrainian soldiers not to resist, and for the mad yolo into kyiv to seize the radios and TV stations so they could announce the war was over and convince confused, uncertain, poorly led Ukrainian armed forces to down weapons and surrender. Hence, Russian riot cops in the vanguard. They expected the biggest battles to be civilian crowd control.
Putin planned a Russian spookop and got bay of pigs.
This logically makes sense now.
“Those who do not take risks don’t drink champagne.”
Vlad had the ambition to just coup all of Ukraine by taking Kiev and decapitating UA leadership.
This was the plan. Not a 200 day humiliating slugfest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have no idea what you're trying to say man.
Putin planned a secret squirrel psyop. "Just intimidate them into line", functionally.
It failed. It devolved into Real Fighting. Putin was consequently fricked because he had no plan for that, russia had no plan for that, and like in every other minor war since the first chechen, they fall back on walking a creeping barrage from one side of the country to the other. Ukraine is too big and well armed for that though.
This logically makes sense now.
“Those who do not take risks don’t drink champagne.”
Vlad had the ambition to just coup all of Ukraine by taking Kiev and decapitating UA leadership.
This was the plan. Not a 200 day humiliating slugfest.
My POINT is, Putin is no soldier. He micromanaged the war instead of his GENERALS. but as a military mind he's not much.
It's still funny to me how people thought he was a genius for being as brutal as a caveman.
>Russia, meanwhile, also suffers losses in the Donbas fight, but likely at a lower rate for two key reasons. First, they learned from their initial debacles of the invasion in February in which they made large scale advances with armor that were not adequately supported. Now, Russia prioritizes heavy bombardment, rockets, and air strikes and only brings in ground forces to fight Ukrainian troops when Russian commanders believe their enemy has been sufficiently ground down.
>Second, Russia enjoys at least a 10 to 1 advantage in artillery and rocket ammunition – and a dramatic advantage in air sorties over the Donbas – and the Kremlin’s troops are able to hit the Ukrainian troops with a far greater density of bombs. The New York Times reported on Tuesday that the “artillery war in Ukraine’s east is seemingly never-ending,” noting that “the shelling is constant — wounding and killing and driving those soldiers cowering in trenches and foxholes slowly insane.”
>These Russian advantages have proven decisive in allowing Putin’s forces to capture large swaths of Ukrainian territory in the Donbas. It is important to acknowledge, however, that these advantages still exist. The Slavyansk/Kramatorsk grouping of Ukrainian troops appears to be next in the Russian firing line, as both are already being relentlessly shelled. Military fundamentals imply strongly that Russian troops will continue their methodical drive west.
But I like said, take out the Logistics and the whole shit falls apart.
Germ her, rebuilding Eastern Germany was bad enough, I suggest Poland or Lithuania take up the task to handle Königsberg. Distant enclaves are too much effort.
https://i.imgur.com/CMWKzSq.jpg
I'm conflicted. I want Estonia to get back their territory but I don't want even more vatniks within it's borders
>be a fricking tree >exist on a crossroads in Ukraine for 70 years >exist through the rise and fall of governments >wiped out by a glorified skid steer operator with fetal alcohol syndrome as he runs for his life like a coward, abandoning his comrades like decoys along the way
Depends on how fast we will be accepted to NATO after this war.
But yeah. Society become militarized as hell and now the best way for politicians to kill their careers - said something about "we don't need such army".
Balakliia Ammo Dump was captured intact. It was the same one that had the large scale explosion in March. It was the primary railhead area for Northern Forces which also helps explain collapse of Kharkiv region.
Multiple other sites/caches have been getting shown also being captured relatively intact.
Seriously though, not a single fricking pallet in any of the locations. Evidently it's just pure dunnage and moved mostly by brute force. Explains complete reliance on staying near railways for logistics.
Come on now, vatnik pig - you all need to stop being so mind broken by zelenskys huge throbbing wiener and realize that you could take him out of the picture and the Ukrainian people would still be more than motivated enough to keep stacking up the bodies of your fellow orcs.
You can thank monke man. He has done a great service with his invasion by reducing the orc population and also guaranteeing the inevitable collapse of his regime as well as ensuring in the next year when Russia has to quit living in imagination land about its economy and world power status that it'll need to capitulate to NATO and China dick.
You're literally on track to being a N Korea tier military power
Two months ago, the Russians were celebrating taking 50 square meters of the Donbas like it was Cambrai. But now the Ukrainians liberating 2500 square kilometers in a week is a glorious triumph... for the Russian Army.
>Invades territory >Exposes collaborators & traitors in the populace by having them work for you >Leaves them out to dry in a "planned withdrawal" for no other reason than ambigious goals being redefined yet again after a disasterous rout >doesn't elaborate >leaves
Putin has done more for the Ukrainian nation state than any nationalist ever could at this rate
It also has the bonus of telling you which ethnic Russians inside your borders are actual loyal to you. Turns out being bombed and terrorized by Russian invaders makes ethnic Russians in Ukraine start to learn Ukrainian.
All that land is empty, Russia left it as a token of good will. It’s all just rubble. In fact, this thread is empty too, along with this board. Do not take advantage of the Russian people’s good will, the gloves are coming off soon hohols.
Ukraine was one of the lowest economic power in Europe pre-war
Post war, they'll likely be in the middle of pack or more if US starts to support it.
They'll become the new western flank support. >Finland north >Poland central >Ukraine south >Turkey black sea corridor
Alternatively in 20 years they turn into Russia 2.0 after bureaucrats steal 80% of the aid and they elect nutjobs like Bolsnaro 2.0, and we begin arming Russia because they've had enough of being China's bottom.
I doubt it. In 20 years time, all those kids who saw their country viciously oppressed by Russia will have grown up. This war affected all corners of Ukrainian society. They pretty much all hate Russia now, lol.
Alternatively in 20 years they turn into Russia 2.0 after bureaucrats steal 80% of the aid and they elect nutjobs like Bolsnaro 2.0, and we begin arming Russia because they've had enough of being China's bottom.
It's over for Russia culture-wise in Ukraine. People underestimate how much of an effect something like this can have for centuries, let alone decades. It's mostly been forgotten, but the USA did something similar to Upper Canada in 1812 (complete with the expectation of popular support by their "brothers" and a victory without a fight). Two hundred years later and Canadians still practically define themselves as not being American. I expect with Ukraine it will be much the same story.
Ukrainians are going to plunge into their own distinctive history from now on, trying to get back what Russia has been trying to eradicate for centuries.
The effect of war on culture and nation building is definitely something not talked about too much. Take India and Pakistan- they were both essentially new states whose borders were drawn up by British a guy who didn't know Jack shit about the region (the closest he got to them was the city of Paris). One massive religious pogrom and war later (where both countries used British officers for their leadership kek) they're so sure of what they are that they aren't disintegrating as some American political analysts/scientists predicted. There's still some dissident activity, particularly in Kashmir and the very eastern regions in India and Baluchistan in Pakistan, but other than that they no longer think of being Marathi/Gujrati national but instead identify as being Indians and Pakis with some local flavour and language added on as distinguishing features.
Ukraine's GDP per capita was lower than Russia's but Russia's huge number of oil/gas/mineral oligarchs skew the numbers massively. I look forward to Ukraine becoming a major European economic powerhouse on Russia's doorstep. It'll show the Russians what they're missing out on because of the Putin kleptocracy.
>I look forward to Ukraine becoming a major European economic powerhouse on Russia's doorstep
As much as I enjoy seeing Russia getting BTFO, that's not going to happen in the forseeable future. Chances are that Ukraine will stay a poor corrupt shithole for some more decades, but they'll enjoy a higher quality of life than Russians for being on the US payroll. It takes a lot of time to build an advanced economy and Ukraine hasn't even started the process yet.
And the GDR economy was the pride of the Warsaw Pact, yet 30 years after being integrated into Western Germany and after burning billions of their brothers' Marks and Euros on economic development and modern East Germany is still middling at best.
Look how quickly the Baltics, Poland or Czechia grew after they entered the Western sphere of influence and got integrated into its logistic chains
And Ukraine will probably get more gibs from the USA than all these countries got from the EU together
I give it two decades tops before it's a major European player
Of course a country has the potential to grow fast when it starts from almost nothing. And I don't mean to look down on the rebuilding done by all those former commie basket cases, but get real: None of those nations is what you'd call a powerhouse or a major player. Not even East Germany has caught up to the old Western economies despite being swallowed by one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The spite is a great motivator. If Russia still exists after this, Ukrainians will have few decades of 'common enemy' unifier, combined with the western gibs and preplanned building programs.
If they do not slip back to old ways of decadence and corruption, they will probably the very least catch up with poland in less than decade.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they will probably the very least catch up with poland in less than decade
Lol no. A decade is not even enough to get to where poland is right now. Catching up will take far longer still.
Economic powerhouse, lmao, from what growing wheat and money laundering? You forget they are still a slavic nation and almost identical to Russians in everyway other than having different mafias run their governments.
>8000+ sq km regains by Ukraine >200+ confirmed tanks captured
Russian gains since the war have eroded significantly. Ukraine now has the spear necessary to cut off the Russian land bridge from Mariuopol.
All that "new" gear on top of the stuff coming in after the start of the new fiscal year in October from the lend lease bill. Someone really should put Putin on suicide watch.
Oryx have been adding a ton of captured and destroyed equipment each day recently, 70+ pieces yesterday. Not all tanks obviously. Jakub Janovsky posts a list at the end of each day.
Ukraine was one of the lowest economic power in Europe pre-war
Post war, they'll likely be in the middle of pack or more if US starts to support it.
They'll become the new western flank support. >Finland north >Poland central >Ukraine south >Turkey black sea corridor
>mfw Ukraine could collaborate with Sweden/SAAB to to create the best west/east abomination of fighters
Of course they'd develop their own arms industry. Not only do they already have one, but they have a fledgling export market for it. The US pays almost entirely for Israel's military, and they have a huge arms industry
Russian maps state everything west of the Oskii is Ukrainian, they completely pulled back.
Vovychansk occupation authorities reportedly retreated to russia.
Is Crimea even a realistic target?
It's arguably monke's crowning (read as: only) military achievement and losing it would be equal to losing mandate of heaven. He'd probably concentrate every available force there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Is Crimea even a realistic target?
Realism has never been applicable to this war in any respect. Look at where we're at right now. Realistically, six months ago, could you have seen ANYTHING that happened in the last four days happening?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>could you have seen ANYTHING that happened in the last four days happening?
Good point, still though: losing this war, even with previously occupied Donbas parts would be humiliating and only that. With Crimea the stakes are different: it was de-facto Russia for the last 8 years, losing it would essentially signal monke can't maintain Russia's territorial integrity. It's not humiliation at this point, it's a matter of survival for him.
There's gonna be a lot of Ukrainian music about the war, since beating back the Russians is the stuff that nations form identity on.
Ukraine was one of the lowest economic power in Europe pre-war
Post war, they'll likely be in the middle of pack or more if US starts to support it.
They'll become the new western flank support. >Finland north >Poland central >Ukraine south >Turkey black sea corridor
If the Ukrainians are this competent at war, I imagine with enough support they'll become quite good at economics.
At least Tannenberg took a few years to completely ruin Russia, this flight from Ukraine is going to make the Russian Revolution look like a peaceful partition lmao
>I'm guided by a signal from the heavens >I'm guided by this birthmark on my skin >I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons >First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin.
Well, we need to put those pigs near Kherson if fricking cauldron. And Melitopol is obvious as the target. Plus, preparation is started... Russians are already screaming. But those idiots still think our HQ will put target on Mariupol(not yet)
And some members of the occupation probably work for the partisans already. There's no way Ukraine doesn't have agents inside the enemy infrastructure.
Firstly, they want to liberate ALL of Ukraine.
Secondly, doing so would allow the Ukrainians to cut off Kherson from the East.
Thirdly, it threatens Crimea which would make Monke and the Russian people freak the frick out.
>"I-I GOT TO ADVOOOONCE!" >Physically unable of turning around >Has never even seen a trench from the inside >Orders to stop can't reach him as he has already advooonced when they arrive >95% of his speech consists of the words "TEMPO! TEMPO! TEMPO!"
The Ukrainian POOSHER >IM POOOOSHING >Spearhead of any assault >Physically incapable of fighting defensively >Reached the pacific, kept POOSHING through all the way to California >Makes logistics cry itself to sleep at night
>"Worst bet ever. THIS is the nation that was supposed to help me contain America? They can't even defeat a poor, corrupt country. Now I'm stuck looking like a fricking fool, since I said I was Putin's BFF. Fricking experts all telling me Ukraine had zero chance of victory."
Thinking he should have done something before Putin and Russia made a fool of themselves and showed "eternal friendship" was just watching on the sidelines.
>'They made the west remilitarize and scared them about industrial independence. And they didn't even win.' >'I hate this fricking manlet so much.'
Not even kidding
>russian militairy cant even take over nations on their own border, and here i was thinking about invading a island with a army that is even more shit then what the russians have.
He's secretly drooling in seeing a Russia too weak to defend its borders with China. Invading Taiwan could wait. Seems too tiny for the trouble it will cause. But thinking of bigger payout, he's probably wondering if the US would not mind the Chinese forcefully taking a big chunk of land Putin owns. He might even score some PR points for diverting some pressure from the Ukkies by backstabbing the orcs.
At this rate Ukraine will push into Russia itself before the year's done. How much do you wager is going to be left of Putin's "Empire" when this special military operation is over?
Who's going to stop China if they decide they want a chunk of Russia's corpse? Maybe Putin will even sell them some land out of desperation in exchange for military supplies.
Germ her, rebuilding Eastern Germany was bad enough, I suggest Poland or Lithuania take up the task to handle Königsberg. Distant enclaves are too much effort.
Frick yeah Alaskan intercontinental bridge!
Gonna drive to Vladivostok from Anchorage, slide on in to North Korea and find myself an old world peasant wife!
>Euros failing to understand how shit passenger lines are in the US >Euros forgetting that the US is bigger than their fricking continent, and not as population dense in 2/3s of it, meaning that cars are the most efficient option if you don't want to take 2 times as long and pay 3 times the cost of traveling by car. >Euros forgetting that going out of country by train in their own continent is a bigger fricking mess than US cross-country passenger rail because of the disjointed and autistic rail management system differences, meaning they will need to book 3 fricking trains at odd hours for minimum layover to go from Leipzig to Prague.
You do realize that highspeed trains are faster than cars,right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You realize that high speed rail is not that fricking common here, right?
It sucks, and it's a problem, but acting like Americans only drive cars because of some fetishism and not the simpler reality that they are more convenient due to the lack of functional mass transit just makes you sound like an obsessed moron and incentivizes people to fricking ignore you.
All those are there to the South. But anon's map has Kazakhstan swallow up Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, which would probably go independent just like Chechnya in the event of Russian disintegration.
Kazakhstan would probably love to take back the Orenburg corridor that was split off from it in the 1920s to ensure that Tatarstan and Bashkortostan would remain insulated within Russia.
Surely you must mean "would NOT remain insulated"? Because if Tatarstan and Bashkortostan went independent, they'd either have to grab some additional land for a shared border with Kazakhstan or Kazakhstan needs to get the corridor to link up with them. Otherwise they'd be landlocked and surrounded on all sides by the remains of the Russian Federation and that's not a sustainable situation.
It's THIS guy. Russian blogger who needed money, went to the conflict, made fool of himself. Basically our equivalent of the guys who shouldn't have joined Ukraine's Foreign Legion.
>a Ukrainian actor embedded in a Russian convoy getting shelled by Ukrainians while crossing a Russian pontoon bridge
I love /chug/, I really do. No matter how much of a schizo I may become, I can sleep easy knowing I'll never go that far.
There HAS to be some kind of deal here. There's no way the ruskies just melted away from an offensive they knew about weeks ago. If not, it's hilarious.
Belgorod and Valuyki, lol, they're literally back to square 1.
Why the frick do you think they're withdrawing everywhere? Ukraine basically just eviscerated the entire Russian supply network. They'll have to work their way in from the border again after reassessing.
What are the odds the Russian military just refuse to fight anymore and go back to Moscow and fight it out with Wagner and Putins personal force?
Supposedly theres a lot of them that have already killed their commanding officers. Well after the commanding officers shot 1 or 2 of them for not fighting
Look at the state of the military, they'd get btfo'd. The securocrats are firmly in power and right now it's no-war-in-ba-sing-se and everyone look at the Ferris Wheel and eat/drink/be happy (as long as you live in Moscow and Leningrad and not bumfrick nowhere).
>What are the odds the Russian military just refuse to fight anymore and go back to Moscow and fight it out with Wagner and Putins personal force?
Zero. Putin's personal force is paid better, armed better, disciplined better, not allowed to loot their equipment for resale, and there's like 340k of the frickers sat up on Moscow to make sure nobody gets any bright ideas.
Only real path to Putin would be an FSB led coup, but FSB leadership is die hard drank the Kool-Aid loyalists. I'm not even sure shit can go wrong enough for them to turn on him.
>What are the odds the Russian military just refuse to fight anymore and go back to Moscow and fight it out with Wagner and Putins personal force?
Zero. Putin's personal force is paid better, armed better, disciplined better, not allowed to loot their equipment for resale, and there's like 340k of the frickers sat up on Moscow to make sure nobody gets any bright ideas.
Only real path to Putin would be an FSB led coup, but FSB leadership is die hard drank the Kool-Aid loyalists. I'm not even sure shit can go wrong enough for them to turn on him.
But aren't the odds still better at fighting putin over this bs?
It's not even like most of those 340k rosvargadia are loyal or anything. And those are already being sent to the ukrainian meatgrinder.
Ukies left the southern bridge near Izyum intact. Presumably they did not want to care for that many POWs since the Russians were so kind as to leave all of their equipment behind.
Speculation is that the Ukies agreed to let them leave on the condition that they left their heavy equipment behind because the Ukrainian attack force didn't have the resources to deal with that many prisoners. Last I heard the Ukies were only 9-10k strong themselves.
>because the Ukrainian attack force didn't have the resources to deal with that many prisoners
Or because russians would have fought to prevent POW status, but not to keep their equipment.
Well that's just stupid, Wehrmacht already invented the correct procedures for dealing with vatnigg POWs, I see no need for anything new. An empty field, some barbed wire and guards with MGs posted every 100 meters are all they need
Wasn't that to close off streets for Moscow Day festivities or whatever? They probably need something as large, immovable, and brightly colored as those dump trucks to keep drivers from plowing through the barricades and into the festivity enjoyers.
>supplies dnr lnr with t62s outdated atgm's and old as frick artilery >leaves them in charge of the eastern flank >sends 50.000 soldiers to train with china >turns out dnr lnr doesnt have a clue on fighting as it seems >has to tactically retreat to save face
i wonder how many generals and officers will be found with 10 bullets on their back while being on a balcony ready to jump after this war
Will pootin use the coming massacre of collaborators as excuse for full mobilization and send half of russia into the meat grinder?
that would be the 200iq move here
Strelkov and an increasing number of RU commentators have been calling for that for months now. By this point it's pretty clear that the Russians aren't mobilizing because they actually can't.
They burnt their training corps in all the regiments to get replacements on the lines, they've scraped the bucket for anything from moist nuggets to T-62's, there's basically no precision ordinance for the last 3 months that hasn't either blown up on the launch or shit the bed somewhere. That 3rd Army group they sent in is hobo's, drunks and dads army levels of bullshit which is already abandooning it seems and they've probably pulled so much out of their strategic 'do not used unless completely fricked' assets used to protect the country.
Wont save em. After this war ends the SBU will be kicking in the doors of collaborators hiding in Russia for years to come. Same with the subhumans from Bucha.
After the capture of that general hiding as a colonel a few days ago, hopefully he's got some info about the kill lists, who they were sent out to genocide and bury
As much fun as it would be to see him ripped to pieces, a nice, very public war crimes trial in a neutral country would be VERY bad for Russia. I'm especially curious if they can catch some of the c**ts down south and find out who did the civilian massacres there but that might be some time.
Strelkov and an increasing number of RU commentators have been calling for that for months now. By this point it's pretty clear that the Russians aren't mobilizing because they actually can't.
It's all a question of what Putin thinks will best secure his political survival. It doesn't seem like Putin felt confident he could get away with declaring war in the beginning when he should have done it. But as the situation continues to detoriate and he has his back against the wall, who knows what he'll become willing to do? If he thinks he can eat his losses without getting ousted, he'll do it. But if he thinks he needs to escalate the situation to prevent getting ejected from the driver's seat, he'll do that.
I think Putin's reached the point where if he escalates the war, he'll get deposed and if he doesn't escalate, he'll get deposed. If I were him, I would start putting out feelers to see if some sub-Saharan hellhole would grant me asylum. Better yet, North Korea--- they're less likely to extradite me to the Hague.
I'm just hanging, waiting for anything official to come out of these shitheads mouths in the next few days.
There's no point trying to hide the corpse under the rug, I mean, its a fricking elephant sized lump you can't even ignore and it smells like a mix of failure with a hint of revolution
It will also be interesting to see who goes on 'holidays'
You Hololols and Nato bootlickers are so stupid and easy to fool,
obviously the offensive against Kharkiv was a faint from the beginning just like the offensive towards Kiev. Even Kherson is just occupied to keep your troops busy while the main objective of Pinsky is taken.
This rout becomes all the more hilarious when people said Ukraine can't win.
>"The idea that by next month the UAF could both halt Moscow’s offensive and then launch its own counteroffensive has no realistic basis. It is therefore time to consider the unthinkable: Ukraine may not be able to stop the Russian offensive and could lose the war."
I know that sounds counterintuitive, but consider that the reason they did that was so they could have the shipments of launchers replaced with shipments of missiles. The Ukies already had the trucks in position, they just didn't have enough ammo to meaningfully protect their advance. A few weeks later and presto. Pinpoint death from afar, and vatniks fleeing in a stolen car.
The last shipment I was figuring out about, 3weeks ago had something like 1500-1600 missiles in it >and YOU get a rocket >YOU get a rocket >ROCKET just for YOU!
>What where the telltale signs of such a military opportunity for Ukraine?
Ukraine had more troops than they needed south of Kharkiv, Russia had less than they needed north of Izyum, there was dry land and no bridges between the two.
Didn't take a genius to see where shit was going. Ukraine was mostly using the excess troops out of Kharkiv for sorties like the one that smashed Staryi Saltiv...but it wouldn't be that hard to build up the force to the south and smash through to Kupyansk. They'd had a few moderately successful probes and while the force south of Kharkiv was mostly just tying up the Russian lines or being used to harass Izyum or threaten to fall on Izyum's rear if they moved toward Slovyansk...it really was inevitable that they'd tear east once a tipping point was reached. Russian lines there were just too damn thin. They doomstacked Izyum but all up north the defenses had been shallower.
And I really, REALLY doubted Izyum was prepared to be simultaneously rear flanked, and have their supply lines cut...which they weren't. Russia left a door open and Ukraine seized the opportunity.
What's your next prediction? Let's see whether that was just a lucky guess or you're actually good at this.
East's completely in flux. More data needed would be putting it kindly. I've been saying for a long ass tie time they need to take the east bank to the south though if they go for the Kherson trap play.
>"This cannot be! How the frick can this be?! The experts said Ukraine had no chance! How the frick am I losing to one of the poorest, most corrupt nations in all of Europe?!"
I honestly doubt they will. They probably just want the Russians to frick off so they can get on with their lives. St. HIMARS might have some fun in the Russian interior though.
I really hope that after this we're not going back months of slogfest during which every day is just >at x direction russian artillery shelled [long list of random ass villages] >at y direction russian tanks conducted unsuccessful attempts at advancing on [more random ass villages]
this is perfect. Ukraine advances. Winter begins. they dig in and consolidate advances. Rinse and repeat next year with the Russian border being the objective.
>what caused this
Russian Lines were overstreched so defenses in the zone were thin ukranians used fast units to punch trough and encircled russian utis causing a rout
>was it preventable
Yes russians knew ukraine was massing equipment in the area but di nothing
>if so, how
Russians should have paused their offensives in the area and positioned additional soldiers
>how will Russia respond to this
Russia is retreating from Kharkiv to establish a new defensive line east of the Oskhil River when and if they will decide to pursue offensive operations in the area is a open question
>Yes russians knew ukraine was massing equipment in the area but di nothing
Where are they going to pull troops from? Kherson? Donbas? And lose those battles instead? They do not have the men for a fight on this scale.
>what caused this
Basically Russia siphoned soldiers from this region to reinforce Donetsk or Kherson and simply prayed that Ukraine and NATO intel somehow wouldn't notice. Also because they weren't expecting a serious offensive there was nothing but a token garrison in the rear areas. Combine this with low morale and it was a complete rout. >was it preventable
Sure, spare more forces to secure the area, try to improve morale or use better troops so they don't just dump all their equipment and run etc >how will Russia respond to this
Another pair of gloves will come off.
Oh no, them saying that THIS is a planned withdrawal is utter cope, but I think they did move around troops before that, thinning defenses and thus creating opportunity for a ukrainian spearhead.
Russia is facing an acute manpower shortage while Ukraine has more troops than they know what to do with. This operation was conducted mainly by motorized infantry because Ukraine doesn't have any IFVs to put them in, but it succeed because Russia doesn't have enough quality troops to hold their lines and artillery isn't enough to hold back these kind of attacks. Ukraine's manpower superiority is only going to keep growing so I suspect this sort of thing is going to keep happening until Russia is pushed back to a range of territory they're actually capable of defending.
How fricking militarised is Ukraine? Russia has almost 4x their population and has more recent military experience with the caucasus, syria etc, meaning they should be able to mobilise a larger and more experienced force, right?
I have no idea how a disaster of this scale could be allowed to happen
Ukraine went full ugly early, get anyone in who can do 'anything'- carry a stretcher, load ammo, clean guns, kill homies with a biro: you're 'army now'
So the reasoning there is that Russia loses in Ukraine, Russia gets fricked a bit, Ukraine loses in Ukraine, there's no more Ukraine!
Russians aren't signing up for this shit sandwich unless its at gunpoint or they're financially ruined, anyone with a functional brain left 6 months ago
>caucasus, syria
Not exactly like fighting a real modern military (1980s/90) with international support now isn't it?
As for the actual manpower, I have no idea, the only thing I know is that the Ukies are fricking pissed and morale is at an all time high.
Russians didn't even know they were going to invade.
A Chechen fighting for Ukraine pointed out why he's and a lot of foreign fighters are psyched: it's different now than when Russia invaded Georgia and Chechnya and everyone knows it, the people Russia have fricked over for decades, centuries even, smell blood in the air, and the chance for pay back is at hand. They aren't going to run out of people who want to kill Russians, the hard part will be making them stop.
>They aren't going to run out of people who want to kill Russians, the hard part will be making them stop.
This is what scares me. What happens when Russia fricks off out of Ukraine?
Internationally? They're fricked, no longer relevant in any way.
Militarily? Fricked, and soon they won't have the money to keep up all of the equipment they had (they didn't before, why should they now)
And despite the almost imminent recession happening in Europe, Russia made them realize they can't rely on Russia for Gas, probably pushing for research on Nuclear tech (which is probably what we needed at this point). The recession won't last. The US won't let it last because it's inconvenient to their cause.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The US won't let it last because it's inconvenient to their cause.
For as much as we meme about America it's almost comforting to have them looming in the backround in situations like this
2 years ago
Anonymous
>This is what scares me. What happens when Russia fricks off out of Ukraine?
Hey, I've seen this one, it's a classic!
>Russia fricks up land war, tanks economy >Massive domestic discontent and protests >Liberal political dissident shipped back from Europe to form a new government
Mobilizing a larger force would be admitting that something is wrong. It's the same reason the first wave was made up of churkas and nobodies from the Far East; don't want to upset your voters in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
According to Zelensky they have 700,000 troops. Even if that's an exaggeration they out outnumber the Russians at least 2-1. At least 10k are being trained in the UK and more across Europe. They can deploy a new battalion every week while Russia refuses to mobilize so they're stuck with what they started the war with, minus tens of thousands in casualties. If something doesn't change we're in for some spicy days.
Ukraine managed rare seen OPSEC in media age & proper diversion in Kherson to force Russia to relocate some forces, then hit where the line was weakest. Encirclements the like of which have not been seen since the first days of Barbarossa ensue.
They sent investigators into the occupied areas. They're gonna do research first before retribution.
I honestly doubt they will. They probably just want the Russians to frick off so they can get on with their lives. St. HIMARS might have some fun in the Russian interior though.
More like Ukraine will use creative methods to liberate its own imprisoned people inside Russian borders. Lot of Ukrainians are being held captive in Russia.
So what’s the likelihood of poutíne resorting to nukes once direct contact with donetsk/luhansk/crimea are entered by ukrainian forces? He made a big deal about “only resorting to them if russian sovereignty is challenged” but I assume this was just a bluff
Never gonna happen. Striking first with nukes would be the perfect invitation for NATO to become directly involved rather than just indirectly. It's asking to get wiped off the map.
The breaking of the nuclear taboo would be single dumbest move Putin could make. Every single major nation on the planet has very good reason to condemn that act, and in all likelihood would participate in the severe punitive measures to come after one. This includes India and China, both of whom are very interested in the maintenance of the nuclear taboo.
china north korea india pakistan and the US teaming up to collectively wipe out russia for breaking nuclear taboo would certainly make the 2020s one of the craziest decades in world history
How many days till Donbass?
days? hours.
Lmao, Russia conducted a planned withdrawal from Kharkov in good order and moronic hohols think they achieved some amazing victory
Well russia is good ad planned and unplanned withdrawals. But only at them.
same withdrawal as kyiv?
Holy crap. Same steroid treatment as Jerry Lewis I bet.
Sounds like victory to me! Lol jfc.
Also, does abandoning all your tanks constitute "good order"? https://mobile.twitter.com/LostWeapons/status/1568878105313574912
https://mobile.twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1568881357215997952
looks like they forgot to paint Zs on this time though, lmao
>Russia conducted a planned withdrawal
homie please.
>can't lose a war if you abandon your whole frontline
Checkmate Hohols.
We did that back in Nam and Pakistan.
Still haven't lost a single war
I can't wait for the Russian war machine to make the Ukrainians look like utter fools by withdrawing in good order to pre-2014 borders.
Now THIS is good fricking bait lmao
He's got to be one of the world leaders of all time
With the benefit of hindsight, Putin's inability to think beyond WWII USSR fighting is clear. His entire mode of combat thought is limited to "throw men to die/fire lots of things".
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/58727297-5a60-404b-8428-5d0b8922fb83
Ukraine, while understanding Soviet thought, actually IMPROVED upon it by fusing it with a lot of Western philosophy.
Operation Uranus 2 was nothing short of fricking genius. They hit the Russians in such a way they ROUTED them in one spot, and trapped them in another.
What is this bullshit
Putin is a Glowie. He's an FSb***h to his fricking cufflinks. He doesn't do military action, he does psyops, assassinations, and coups.
The three day war was planned as a psyop and the fact that they wound up fighting for real fricked them. He was hoping for FoW, FUD, chaos and instability. For the bribes they'd been paying to work, for Ukrainian soldiers not to resist, and for the mad yolo into kyiv to seize the radios and TV stations so they could announce the war was over and convince confused, uncertain, poorly led Ukrainian armed forces to down weapons and surrender. Hence, Russian riot cops in the vanguard. They expected the biggest battles to be civilian crowd control.
Putin planned a Russian spookop and got bay of pigs.
This logically makes sense now.
“Those who do not take risks don’t drink champagne.”
Vlad had the ambition to just coup all of Ukraine by taking Kiev and decapitating UA leadership.
This was the plan. Not a 200 day humiliating slugfest.
I have no idea what you're trying to say man.
Putin planned a secret squirrel psyop. "Just intimidate them into line", functionally.
It failed. It devolved into Real Fighting. Putin was consequently fricked because he had no plan for that, russia had no plan for that, and like in every other minor war since the first chechen, they fall back on walking a creeping barrage from one side of the country to the other. Ukraine is too big and well armed for that though.
My POINT is, Putin is no soldier. He micromanaged the war instead of his GENERALS. but as a military mind he's not much.
It's still funny to me how people thought he was a genius for being as brutal as a caveman.
>Russia, meanwhile, also suffers losses in the Donbas fight, but likely at a lower rate for two key reasons. First, they learned from their initial debacles of the invasion in February in which they made large scale advances with armor that were not adequately supported. Now, Russia prioritizes heavy bombardment, rockets, and air strikes and only brings in ground forces to fight Ukrainian troops when Russian commanders believe their enemy has been sufficiently ground down.
>Second, Russia enjoys at least a 10 to 1 advantage in artillery and rocket ammunition – and a dramatic advantage in air sorties over the Donbas – and the Kremlin’s troops are able to hit the Ukrainian troops with a far greater density of bombs. The New York Times reported on Tuesday that the “artillery war in Ukraine’s east is seemingly never-ending,” noting that “the shelling is constant — wounding and killing and driving those soldiers cowering in trenches and foxholes slowly insane.”
>These Russian advantages have proven decisive in allowing Putin’s forces to capture large swaths of Ukrainian territory in the Donbas. It is important to acknowledge, however, that these advantages still exist. The Slavyansk/Kramatorsk grouping of Ukrainian troops appears to be next in the Russian firing line, as both are already being relentlessly shelled. Military fundamentals imply strongly that Russian troops will continue their methodical drive west.
But I like said, take out the Logistics and the whole shit falls apart.
Smart take
wtf, i was a glowie after all...
Maybe the real glowies were the friends we made along the way, anon
there are solutions.
I get what you're saying
see you at the next planned withdrawal, and the one after that, until russia is out of ukraine. military objectives completed. right?
Isn't it strange how these planned withdrawals always seem to coincide with Ukrainian advances?
Kek you think you "raped" me. Jokes on you moron I actually love dick in my ass.
They even killed that fricking tree that had been annoying everyone.
>be a fricking tree
>exist on a crossroads in Ukraine for 70 years
>exist through the rise and fall of governments
>wiped out by a glorified skid steer operator with fetal alcohol syndrome as he runs for his life like a coward, abandoning his comrades like decoys along the way
>Planned withdrawal
>Abandoned functional equipment
>Fully intact Ammo Dumps and Logistics Hubs
>what the fricks a pallet
How many depots did Ukraine seize intact, lol? Sounds like a goddamn armament smorgasbord.
Even their border guard units are going to be armored at this rate.
Ukraine is set to be an incredibly militarized state. They're gonna put their defense budget at 25 percent of the GDP, for the next 10 years at least.
Depends on how fast we will be accepted to NATO after this war.
But yeah. Society become militarized as hell and now the best way for politicians to kill their careers - said something about "we don't need such army".
Balakliia Ammo Dump was captured intact. It was the same one that had the large scale explosion in March. It was the primary railhead area for Northern Forces which also helps explain collapse of Kharkiv region.
Multiple other sites/caches have been getting shown also being captured relatively intact.
Seriously though, not a single fricking pallet in any of the locations. Evidently it's just pure dunnage and moved mostly by brute force. Explains complete reliance on staying near railways for logistics.
We'll need to ship a frickton of pallets to Ukraine to accelerate its forces' processing of all this new stuff.
People might take this as a joke but it's true. They should be getting a hell of a lot of pallets.
why not teach them the secrets of the wunderwaffe pallet instead, like the fish proverb says
NATO cannot risk it's top secret pallet technology falling into Russian hands. They might be able to reverse-engineer it in a decade or two.
Pallets are pointlessly easy to build.
The issue probably isn't the pallets, but the equipment which uses them, i.e. forklit
Last night, somewhere in the United States, a pallet factory owner was awoken from his sleep by a knocking at the door
>you can’t claim victory if we run away before the battle
Lmao so this is the new grand Russian tactic?
There is no panic.
someone post the happy version please
>biggest frontal collapse in modern times hahahahh
They planned to leave enough armor to outfit serveral battalions behind?
>Niggoid russhits
>Planning
>Implying
G8 b8 m8 I'd r8 8/8
>Russia conducted a planned withdrawal from Kharkov
>a planned withdrawal
why was all the equipment and ammo left intact?
Equipment and ammo not in plan tovarisch*~~
Planned withdrawal from Kherson, Melitopol, and Mariupol when?
soon
fricking hell, is this taiwanese? they're fast
It was a gesture of good will, yes.
11 490 tons of good will
-ACK
Can anyone who speaks mordor translate what they wrote on the tank?
Red letters say Irina, woman's name.
Rest I can't see clearly and because they could be designations won't try to decipher
Come on now, vatnik pig - you all need to stop being so mind broken by zelenskys huge throbbing wiener and realize that you could take him out of the picture and the Ukrainian people would still be more than motivated enough to keep stacking up the bodies of your fellow orcs.
You can thank monke man. He has done a great service with his invasion by reducing the orc population and also guaranteeing the inevitable collapse of his regime as well as ensuring in the next year when Russia has to quit living in imagination land about its economy and world power status that it'll need to capitulate to NATO and China dick.
You're literally on track to being a N Korea tier military power
Two months ago, the Russians were celebrating taking 50 square meters of the Donbas like it was Cambrai. But now the Ukrainians liberating 2500 square kilometers in a week is a glorious triumph... for the Russian Army.
>The Russians fled in terror faster than the Ukrainians could chase them down.
ftfy
>Invades territory
>Exposes collaborators & traitors in the populace by having them work for you
>Leaves them out to dry in a "planned withdrawal" for no other reason than ambigious goals being redefined yet again after a disasterous rout
>doesn't elaborate
>leaves
Putin has done more for the Ukrainian nation state than any nationalist ever could at this rate
It also has the bonus of telling you which ethnic Russians inside your borders are actual loyal to you. Turns out being bombed and terrorized by Russian invaders makes ethnic Russians in Ukraine start to learn Ukrainian.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/08/25/russian-speakers-in-ukraine-are-struggling-to-learn-a-new-tongue
How dare they make us learn Ukranian in *checks map* Ukraine. Oh the Humanity
The only thing that was in good order were the tanks and supplies abandoned
>good order
>leaving behind a bunch of tanks, APCs, artillery
>get told for months that the offensive will be at Herson
>it's at Harkov oups
They got D-Day'd
There's no way they lose Sievrodonetsk, right?
I wouldn’t have thought so a couple days ago, but anything seems possible right now.
All that land is empty, Russia left it as a token of good will. It’s all just rubble. In fact, this thread is empty too, along with this board. Do not take advantage of the Russian people’s good will, the gloves are coming off soon hohols.
the eyebrows are coming off and the gloves are being raised!
what map is that?
forgot source
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1IAEioi_4fG25hwvtvq7IvkGIRSRBET4&ll=49.64768477665473%2C36.52456747821476&z=8
Okay, NOW that there is ZERO question Ukraine can win this war.
What prizes (foreign weapons and other gear) has Ukraine won from the world?
What should we send Ukraine to end this stupid conflict?
I advise a ton of logistical and medical supplies in particular, since Ukraine's lines just extended massively. They gotta consolidate.
Marshaller Plan
Ukraine was one of the lowest economic power in Europe pre-war
Post war, they'll likely be in the middle of pack or more if US starts to support it.
They'll become the new western flank support.
>Finland north
>Poland central
>Ukraine south
>Turkey black sea corridor
Alternatively in 20 years they turn into Russia 2.0 after bureaucrats steal 80% of the aid and they elect nutjobs like Bolsnaro 2.0, and we begin arming Russia because they've had enough of being China's bottom.
I doubt it. In 20 years time, all those kids who saw their country viciously oppressed by Russia will have grown up. This war affected all corners of Ukrainian society. They pretty much all hate Russia now, lol.
It's over for Russia culture-wise in Ukraine. People underestimate how much of an effect something like this can have for centuries, let alone decades. It's mostly been forgotten, but the USA did something similar to Upper Canada in 1812 (complete with the expectation of popular support by their "brothers" and a victory without a fight). Two hundred years later and Canadians still practically define themselves as not being American. I expect with Ukraine it will be much the same story.
Ukrainians are going to plunge into their own distinctive history from now on, trying to get back what Russia has been trying to eradicate for centuries.
The effect of war on culture and nation building is definitely something not talked about too much. Take India and Pakistan- they were both essentially new states whose borders were drawn up by British a guy who didn't know Jack shit about the region (the closest he got to them was the city of Paris). One massive religious pogrom and war later (where both countries used British officers for their leadership kek) they're so sure of what they are that they aren't disintegrating as some American political analysts/scientists predicted. There's still some dissident activity, particularly in Kashmir and the very eastern regions in India and Baluchistan in Pakistan, but other than that they no longer think of being Marathi/Gujrati national but instead identify as being Indians and Pakis with some local flavour and language added on as distinguishing features.
Ukraine's GDP per capita was lower than Russia's but Russia's huge number of oil/gas/mineral oligarchs skew the numbers massively. I look forward to Ukraine becoming a major European economic powerhouse on Russia's doorstep. It'll show the Russians what they're missing out on because of the Putin kleptocracy.
>I look forward to Ukraine becoming a major European economic powerhouse on Russia's doorstep
As much as I enjoy seeing Russia getting BTFO, that's not going to happen in the forseeable future. Chances are that Ukraine will stay a poor corrupt shithole for some more decades, but they'll enjoy a higher quality of life than Russians for being on the US payroll. It takes a lot of time to build an advanced economy and Ukraine hasn't even started the process yet.
Ukraine won't be starting from scratch; they were already the USSR's STEM workhorse - computers, aircraft, rockets and missiles, you name it.
And the GDR economy was the pride of the Warsaw Pact, yet 30 years after being integrated into Western Germany and after burning billions of their brothers' Marks and Euros on economic development and modern East Germany is still middling at best.
Look how quickly the Baltics, Poland or Czechia grew after they entered the Western sphere of influence and got integrated into its logistic chains
And Ukraine will probably get more gibs from the USA than all these countries got from the EU together
I give it two decades tops before it's a major European player
Of course a country has the potential to grow fast when it starts from almost nothing. And I don't mean to look down on the rebuilding done by all those former commie basket cases, but get real: None of those nations is what you'd call a powerhouse or a major player. Not even East Germany has caught up to the old Western economies despite being swallowed by one.
The spite is a great motivator. If Russia still exists after this, Ukrainians will have few decades of 'common enemy' unifier, combined with the western gibs and preplanned building programs.
If they do not slip back to old ways of decadence and corruption, they will probably the very least catch up with poland in less than decade.
>they will probably the very least catch up with poland in less than decade
Lol no. A decade is not even enough to get to where poland is right now. Catching up will take far longer still.
Except the progress will be faster when theres nothing left of the economy and you are starting at 0 with billions from Nato.
Economic powerhouse, lmao, from what growing wheat and money laundering? You forget they are still a slavic nation and almost identical to Russians in everyway other than having different mafias run their governments.
>ZERO question
Did you forget that thermonuclear weapons exist?
This map is out of date, the entire border from the Oskil river to the Russian border has been evacuated
>8000+ sq km regains by Ukraine
>200+ confirmed tanks captured
Russian gains since the war have eroded significantly. Ukraine now has the spear necessary to cut off the Russian land bridge from Mariuopol.
That's on top of the inevitable weapons caches the Ukrainians are still finding, left behind by the fleeing Vatniks.
There's a lot of stuff to disperse to the troops.
Post-script: this needs a Slavic version with Ukrainian chanting now. I think Ukraine earned it.
I honest to god did not expect the war to end this way.
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Ukies fricking deserve all the praise they can get.
All that "new" gear on top of the stuff coming in after the start of the new fiscal year in October from the lend lease bill. Someone really should put Putin on suicide watch.
>stuff coming in after the start of the new fiscal year
Spoon feed me here, what all are they getting? Iirc TOW and NVGs were on the list.
All this PLUS USA Lend/Lease begins in a few weeks. Putin is actually fricked
>200+ confirmed tanks captured
Source on that? From photos, I’ve seen more like a dozen functional tanks captured. That Tor was a nice score though
Oryx have been adding a ton of captured and destroyed equipment each day recently, 70+ pieces yesterday. Not all tanks obviously. Jakub Janovsky posts a list at the end of each day.
Get the Ukrainian weapons factories BACK ONLINE.
They're gonna need to start building. Absolutely nothing must be left to chance.
>mfw Ukraine could collaborate with Sweden/SAAB to to create the best west/east abomination of fighters
>produce weapons domestically when the west will supply your armies for free
Yeah thats not gonna happen. Theyre becoming a vassal state, not a superpower. They use what NATO lets those dirty slavs have.
Of course they'd develop their own arms industry. Not only do they already have one, but they have a fledgling export market for it. The US pays almost entirely for Israel's military, and they have a huge arms industry
They sank the Moskva with locally produced missiles.
LiveUA map updated
>it's real
wholly shit that's the entire northern front to the border? Is the map incomplete?
Russian maps state everything west of the Oskii is Ukrainian, they completely pulled back.
Vovychansk occupation authorities reportedly retreated to russia.
>just frick my shit up
What are they going to do with that red area just under Izum?
Let them flee.
Collapse it while retreating under concentrated Ukrainian artillery.
Or just surrender. Depends on the exact situation.
That place is probably empty now, it's just the Ukies didn't claimed yet.
What is to be done about Crimea? Do you spread your forces out and try to take it or focus on Donetsk and Luhansk
Donbabwe and Luganda first. Sweep all the Russians back down into Crimea, blow up the bridge, and start Neptuning any ship that comes close.
Is Crimea even a realistic target?
It's arguably monke's crowning (read as: only) military achievement and losing it would be equal to losing mandate of heaven. He'd probably concentrate every available force there.
>Is Crimea even a realistic target?
Realism has never been applicable to this war in any respect. Look at where we're at right now. Realistically, six months ago, could you have seen ANYTHING that happened in the last four days happening?
>could you have seen ANYTHING that happened in the last four days happening?
Good point, still though: losing this war, even with previously occupied Donbas parts would be humiliating and only that. With Crimea the stakes are different: it was de-facto Russia for the last 8 years, losing it would essentially signal monke can't maintain Russia's territorial integrity. It's not humiliation at this point, it's a matter of survival for him.
thanks for answering, I’ve been waiting on a response for a while lol
They done took it.
Holy
Shit.
Actually Russia are luring the Oinkrainians into a cauldron the likes of which has not been seen in world history.
By retreating back across the Russian Border faster than the Ukrainians can chase them.
is it? i thought the ruskies were still holding on at Lyman
I'm ded
I'M GONNA REGROOOOOOOUP
The smooker, the snoozer, and the regrooper. The story of the hidden triumvirate masterminds behind the Russian war effort.
you forgot the PONTOOOONER
The abandooner has been doing lots of work recently, can't forget about him..!
The Abandooner has graduated from running away from his tank, to having the whole regiment run away
There's gonna be a lot of Ukrainian music about the war, since beating back the Russians is the stuff that nations form identity on.
If the Ukrainians are this competent at war, I imagine with enough support they'll become quite good at economics.
>being competent at war means you are competent at managing an economy
You are moronic.
>people meme about WWI artillery duels and trenchlines in 2022
>Laugh and get on with my day
>the entire frontline collapses along with Russian morale
You thought it was WWI western front, but it was actually the eastern front all along.
Eastern Front without lend lease for the russians.
At least Tannenberg took a few years to completely ruin Russia, this flight from Ukraine is going to make the Russian Revolution look like a peaceful partition lmao
new york next
>the russians are already at the outskirts of n'yu-york
It's over NATObros
Siem from New York Oblast here
>I'm guided by a signal from the heavens
>I'm guided by this birthmark on my skin
>I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons
>First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin.
WE CANNOT LOSE NEW YORK
Are Ukies advancing on all fronts? Have they gone over the pre-war (Februar 20) borders?
Dude relax. Shit just started. Offence on Melitopol is on a menu right now
>Offence on Melitopol
Well, we need to put those pigs near Kherson if fricking cauldron. And Melitopol is obvious as the target. Plus, preparation is started... Russians are already screaming. But those idiots still think our HQ will put target on Mariupol(not yet)
Get the partisans prepped. Timed right, insurgents do a ton of damage.
They already working. Some "officials" in occupied territories in those areas already have "sick leave". This shit is going on for a 2 month arleady.
And some members of the occupation probably work for the partisans already. There's no way Ukraine doesn't have agents inside the enemy infrastructure.
Hopefully you clean them up before the Army rolls in. No need to waste time with nonsense like trials or jail sentences. Traitors get death.
what this guy upto these days? last i heard he had a knee injury. how many limbs do you think he has left?
He was spotted in Vostok-2022. Interaction between him and Monke seemed quite chilly compared to the earlier years.
Probably because he's furious at Putin's sheer stupidity, lol. Stupidity that cost him some working anatomy.
Makes me think more of Operation Uranus, only much faster.
Probably sidelined along with Dvornikov especially if you believe Putin is the real theater commander.
Assuming the Russians have the SPINE to stand and fight, lol. Morale among the Russians was low to begin with. Word of this is gonna spread fast.
Why would they fight for Melitopol? They want to liberate the Donbas, not Zaporizhzhia.
Firstly, they want to liberate ALL of Ukraine.
Secondly, doing so would allow the Ukrainians to cut off Kherson from the East.
Thirdly, it threatens Crimea which would make Monke and the Russian people freak the frick out.
God yes. Imagening this makes my nipples hard as frick.
Putin is going to lose his shit if ukkies take away his landbridge, it's crucial to his reworked plans.
Is there an ADVOONCER meme?
>"I-I GOT TO ADVOOOONCE!"
>Physically unable of turning around
>Has never even seen a trench from the inside
>Orders to stop can't reach him as he has already advooonced when they arrive
>95% of his speech consists of the words "TEMPO! TEMPO! TEMPO!"
The Ukrainian POOSHER
>IM POOOOSHING
>Spearhead of any assault
>Physically incapable of fighting defensively
>Reached the pacific, kept POOSHING through all the way to California
>Makes logistics cry itself to sleep at night
There is.
That's literally the Ukrainian version of Kharn the Betrayer
Kuzma the Progresser
What's he thinking right now?
Damn I’m glad I didn’t send support to Russia lol
>"Worst bet ever. THIS is the nation that was supposed to help me contain America? They can't even defeat a poor, corrupt country. Now I'm stuck looking like a fricking fool, since I said I was Putin's BFF. Fricking experts all telling me Ukraine had zero chance of victory."
Thinking he should have done something before Putin and Russia made a fool of themselves and showed "eternal friendship" was just watching on the sidelines.
"Damn now Taiwan is a feint and i had to invade Siberia and Northeast"
>How many more zinc coffin will the silly tundra gwailo need and how much dare I gouge him for those?
>We paid them how much for training? What the frick. Its like the time I paid Steven Segal for Aikido lessons all over again.
Probably having his general staff take notes so they won’t repeat any mistakes Russia has made.
This honestly. China has no war fighting experience and they know it. They might be bugs, but they learn quick
>'They made the west remilitarize and scared them about industrial independence. And they didn't even win.'
>'I hate this fricking manlet so much.'
Not even kidding
>so hungry...I rearry want to eat some boiled dog...
>boiled dog
dog are best serve grilled
homie is eyeing up Manchuria as we speak.
Oh, bother!
>russian militairy cant even take over nations on their own border, and here i was thinking about invading a island with a army that is even more shit then what the russians have.
>Vladivostok is looking real ripe right now...
He's secretly drooling in seeing a Russia too weak to defend its borders with China. Invading Taiwan could wait. Seems too tiny for the trouble it will cause. But thinking of bigger payout, he's probably wondering if the US would not mind the Chinese forcefully taking a big chunk of land Putin owns. He might even score some PR points for diverting some pressure from the Ukkies by backstabbing the orcs.
>YOOOOOOOOOOOOO
hmm, we could really need some more oil and gas fields in the future..
tfw you just finished thirty years of reform following the Gulf War but now you realize you're not even halfway to having a modern effective military
At this rate Ukraine will push into Russia itself before the year's done. How much do you wager is going to be left of Putin's "Empire" when this special military operation is over?
Georgia immediately collapses into civil war
>letting China have anything
Who's going to stop China if they decide they want a chunk of Russia's corpse? Maybe Putin will even sell them some land out of desperation in exchange for military supplies.
>Konigsberg back in german hands
wunderbar
Königsberg is a complete shithole by now, so the russkies can keep it
t. offspring of Ostvertriebene
Germ her, rebuilding Eastern Germany was bad enough, I suggest Poland or Lithuania take up the task to handle Königsberg. Distant enclaves are too much effort.
>US and China land border
Out of the pan and straight into the fire lol
>Implying USA and China getting their very own version of NK/SK or India/Pakistan border bullshit wouldn't be kino as frick.
Would they do medieval weapon battles like on the Indian/Chinese border?
It's a good start, but more of that land should belong to the United States of America.
Frick yeah Alaskan intercontinental bridge!
Gonna drive to Vladivostok from Anchorage, slide on in to North Korea and find myself an old world peasant wife!
>Alaskan intercontinental bridge!
>Drive from Lisboa to Miami
Stop, my dick can only get so hard
>Americans will sit in a car for 480 hours straight before they consider building a passenger train.
>Euros failing to understand how shit passenger lines are in the US
>Euros forgetting that the US is bigger than their fricking continent, and not as population dense in 2/3s of it, meaning that cars are the most efficient option if you don't want to take 2 times as long and pay 3 times the cost of traveling by car.
>Euros forgetting that going out of country by train in their own continent is a bigger fricking mess than US cross-country passenger rail because of the disjointed and autistic rail management system differences, meaning they will need to book 3 fricking trains at odd hours for minimum layover to go from Leipzig to Prague.
You do realize that highspeed trains are faster than cars,right?
You realize that high speed rail is not that fricking common here, right?
It sucks, and it's a problem, but acting like Americans only drive cars because of some fetishism and not the simpler reality that they are more convenient due to the lack of functional mass transit just makes you sound like an obsessed moron and incentivizes people to fricking ignore you.
China gets nothing and the map is perfect.
fixed
Why did Taiwan relocate to Hainan?
>implying chain gets to own any islands on its coast
we will raise our eyebrow and china will understand
why cuck finland that hard
I'm conflicted. I want Estonia to get back their territory but I don't want even more vatniks within it's borders
I love how Kazakhstan just gets Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.
All those are there to the South. But anon's map has Kazakhstan swallow up Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, which would probably go independent just like Chechnya in the event of Russian disintegration.
Kazakhstan would probably love to take back the Orenburg corridor that was split off from it in the 1920s to ensure that Tatarstan and Bashkortostan would remain insulated within Russia.
Surely you must mean "would NOT remain insulated"? Because if Tatarstan and Bashkortostan went independent, they'd either have to grab some additional land for a shared border with Kazakhstan or Kazakhstan needs to get the corridor to link up with them. Otherwise they'd be landlocked and surrounded on all sides by the remains of the Russian Federation and that's not a sustainable situation.
Frick yeah, mega-Alaska
I'm getting 1917 Eastern Front vibes from this. Putin's got to be sweating bathtubs.
>Putin's got to be sweating bathtubs
Does he even knows? What if the glowiees are just feeding him false information?
Well, Transnistra's garrison went, "Yeah we cannot help out guys, all our transports conveniently "broke" so good luck."
Those 1,000 Russians are probably the smartest Vatniks in the history of mankind, lol. Whatever happens, they're gonna make nice to survive.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/x9mgdq/this_supports_reports_put_out_yesterday_that/
What a shit show. Russia needs to start retaking the initiative and advancing in Donetsk or else Putins getting coup'd.
Kek, /chug/ is claiming that guy with the blown out ear drums is an ukranian actor that got paid to make a ridiculous face
le 'My corpse is going to feed feral dogs in Ukraine' faec
their proof lol
Stupid Vatniks.
It's THIS guy. Russian blogger who needed money, went to the conflict, made fool of himself. Basically our equivalent of the guys who shouldn't have joined Ukraine's Foreign Legion.
Literally not him
that room looks pretty comfy ngl
Are they face blind? Lmao
well face blindness is a sign of autism.
Military grade copium
Clearly not the same man. He doesn't have those wild eyes.
bro, why bother?, the entire Kharkov front collapsed, why bother trying to uncover "evil hohol propaganda"?
Hope he got paid well for those 4 frames.
>a Ukrainian actor embedded in a Russian convoy getting shelled by Ukrainians while crossing a Russian pontoon bridge
I love /chug/, I really do. No matter how much of a schizo I may become, I can sleep easy knowing I'll never go that far.
There HAS to be some kind of deal here. There's no way the ruskies just melted away from an offensive they knew about weeks ago. If not, it's hilarious.
Apparently only the Russian military bloggers noticed, and only a few days in advance.
Ukrainian OPSEC was perfect. They found all Russia's informants.
So, what cities will Russia use for it's logistics now that Kupyansk is taken?
Belgorod and Valuyki, lol, they're literally back to square 1.
Why the frick do you think they're withdrawing everywhere? Ukraine basically just eviscerated the entire Russian supply network. They'll have to work their way in from the border again after reassessing.
Airdrps lel. That's What chug said.
Its a reverse offensive comrade!
Anyone have a pool on which countries will become independent when Russia breaks up? Chechnya? Dagestan? Perhaps even Buryatia?
How is Buryatia going to survive if all males died in Ukraine?
The women will raid neighbouring tribes for young males.
What are the odds the Russian military just refuse to fight anymore and go back to Moscow and fight it out with Wagner and Putins personal force?
Supposedly theres a lot of them that have already killed their commanding officers. Well after the commanding officers shot 1 or 2 of them for not fighting
Look at the state of the military, they'd get btfo'd. The securocrats are firmly in power and right now it's no-war-in-ba-sing-se and everyone look at the Ferris Wheel and eat/drink/be happy (as long as you live in Moscow and Leningrad and not bumfrick nowhere).
>What are the odds the Russian military just refuse to fight anymore and go back to Moscow and fight it out with Wagner and Putins personal force?
Zero. Putin's personal force is paid better, armed better, disciplined better, not allowed to loot their equipment for resale, and there's like 340k of the frickers sat up on Moscow to make sure nobody gets any bright ideas.
Only real path to Putin would be an FSB led coup, but FSB leadership is die hard drank the Kool-Aid loyalists. I'm not even sure shit can go wrong enough for them to turn on him.
But aren't the odds still better at fighting putin over this bs?
It's not even like most of those 340k rosvargadia are loyal or anything. And those are already being sent to the ukrainian meatgrinder.
So is it correct that the 10K russians that were gonna be captured all retreated? Or are they still there?
Looks like most managed to retreat, how orderly is up to debate. Else we would have seen way more pow videos.
how did they escape? I thought the Uk's were about to encircle them
Ukies left the southern bridge near Izyum intact. Presumably they did not want to care for that many POWs since the Russians were so kind as to leave all of their equipment behind.
Speculation is that the Ukies agreed to let them leave on the condition that they left their heavy equipment behind because the Ukrainian attack force didn't have the resources to deal with that many prisoners. Last I heard the Ukies were only 9-10k strong themselves.
>because the Ukrainian attack force didn't have the resources to deal with that many prisoners
Or because russians would have fought to prevent POW status, but not to keep their equipment.
Well that's just stupid, Wehrmacht already invented the correct procedures for dealing with vatnigg POWs, I see no need for anything new. An empty field, some barbed wire and guards with MGs posted every 100 meters are all they need
Most of them have or will make it out yes, though Ukraine still captured thousands of prisoners over the operation.
And northward too apparently, looks like its time to warm up the Monke-Bunker as the centre of Moscow got blocked off with garbage trucks
source?
that sounds like things are about to get really heated
Just twotter unfortunately, but its sort of some first hand view
https://twitter.com/DangerKidsBooks/status/1568622184435949568
Wonder if there's some mobs forming or he's just being a paranoid homosexual
russians protesting?
thats impossible
More likely
is correct and Putin has entered the "everyone is plotting against me!!!" phase
Not sure but I think this was from a celebration yesterday. It was "Moscow Day" or something. Like the cities anniversary
what kind of cities anniversary is done with trucks blocking the road?
It may not be, but I could have swore I seen that pic yesterday and that was the reason given
You can't say something like that and not post source
They're using garbage trucks to fortify their final defense line in Moscow. That is how far they will make their strategic withdrawal.
I don't get it, why garbage trucks? Surely the police in Russia's capital have those mobile barricade things.
Wasn't that to close off streets for Moscow Day festivities or whatever? They probably need something as large, immovable, and brightly colored as those dump trucks to keep drivers from plowing through the barricades and into the festivity enjoyers.
No no no vatsisters we about to get bombed
>there are still countries in 2022 that allow their whole front to collapse rather than retreat in good order
>supplies dnr lnr with t62s outdated atgm's and old as frick artilery
>leaves them in charge of the eastern flank
>sends 50.000 soldiers to train with china
>turns out dnr lnr doesnt have a clue on fighting as it seems
>has to tactically retreat to save face
i wonder how many generals and officers will be found with 10 bullets on their back while being on a balcony ready to jump after this war
Will pootin use the coming massacre of collaborators as excuse for full mobilization and send half of russia into the meat grinder?
that would be the 200iq move here
Strelkov and an increasing number of RU commentators have been calling for that for months now. By this point it's pretty clear that the Russians aren't mobilizing because they actually can't.
Their military is running on africa-tier logistics and equipment at this rate, there's almost nothing to outfit soldiers with, or even organize them
They burnt their training corps in all the regiments to get replacements on the lines, they've scraped the bucket for anything from moist nuggets to T-62's, there's basically no precision ordinance for the last 3 months that hasn't either blown up on the launch or shit the bed somewhere. That 3rd Army group they sent in is hobo's, drunks and dads army levels of bullshit which is already abandooning it seems and they've probably pulled so much out of their strategic 'do not used unless completely fricked' assets used to protect the country.
If they announced mobilization the US would take the free hand of escalation and just start dumping weapons into Ukraine enmasse
All the quislings are at the borders getting the frick out yesterday, there's lines and lines of them
Wont save em. After this war ends the SBU will be kicking in the doors of collaborators hiding in Russia for years to come. Same with the subhumans from Bucha.
Don't worry. The orc guards aren't letting people with new passports in.
After the capture of that general hiding as a colonel a few days ago, hopefully he's got some info about the kill lists, who they were sent out to genocide and bury
As much fun as it would be to see him ripped to pieces, a nice, very public war crimes trial in a neutral country would be VERY bad for Russia. I'm especially curious if they can catch some of the c**ts down south and find out who did the civilian massacres there but that might be some time.
It's all a question of what Putin thinks will best secure his political survival. It doesn't seem like Putin felt confident he could get away with declaring war in the beginning when he should have done it. But as the situation continues to detoriate and he has his back against the wall, who knows what he'll become willing to do? If he thinks he can eat his losses without getting ousted, he'll do it. But if he thinks he needs to escalate the situation to prevent getting ejected from the driver's seat, he'll do that.
I think Putin's reached the point where if he escalates the war, he'll get deposed and if he doesn't escalate, he'll get deposed. If I were him, I would start putting out feelers to see if some sub-Saharan hellhole would grant me asylum. Better yet, North Korea--- they're less likely to extradite me to the Hague.
I'm just hanging, waiting for anything official to come out of these shitheads mouths in the next few days.
There's no point trying to hide the corpse under the rug, I mean, its a fricking elephant sized lump you can't even ignore and it smells like a mix of failure with a hint of revolution
It will also be interesting to see who goes on 'holidays'
>I think Putin's reached the point where
It is past the point where he is just a dickhead, he is the dickhead.
I'll be he winds up in Damascus waiting on Assads table to sadistic dickhead murdering scumbags taking it in turns to humiliate each other
>asylum
No country on Earth would give him asylum, and even if they did there are no guarantees.
The king sits on the throne until he dies.
You Hololols and Nato bootlickers are so stupid and easy to fool,
obviously the offensive against Kharkiv was a faint from the beginning just like the offensive towards Kiev. Even Kherson is just occupied to keep your troops busy while the main objective of Pinsky is taken.
two more feints and you're going to have to feint out of Moscow beyond the Urals
This rout becomes all the more hilarious when people said Ukraine can't win.
>"The idea that by next month the UAF could both halt Moscow’s offensive and then launch its own counteroffensive has no realistic basis. It is therefore time to consider the unthinkable: Ukraine may not be able to stop the Russian offensive and could lose the war."
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/russias-brutal-war-in-the-donbas-proves-ukraine-cant-win/
The moral of the story is obvious /k/:
>"Don't count the Ukrainians finished until the fighting actually stops."
I will never not be smug about predicting this offensive.
holy frick globohomosexual I KNEEL
What where the telltale signs of such a military opportunity for Ukraine?
When the US stopped giving them HIMARS platforms.
I know that sounds counterintuitive, but consider that the reason they did that was so they could have the shipments of launchers replaced with shipments of missiles. The Ukies already had the trucks in position, they just didn't have enough ammo to meaningfully protect their advance. A few weeks later and presto. Pinpoint death from afar, and vatniks fleeing in a stolen car.
The last shipment I was figuring out about, 3weeks ago had something like 1500-1600 missiles in it
>and YOU get a rocket
>YOU get a rocket
>ROCKET just for YOU!
Was it the start of the Kherson Counteroffensive?
No. It was the Grand Oprahning.
Yeah it was a bit before that, I think this shit stew has been brewing for some time and the Zigger's will got a big old spoon full
>What where the telltale signs of such a military opportunity for Ukraine?
Ukraine had more troops than they needed south of Kharkiv, Russia had less than they needed north of Izyum, there was dry land and no bridges between the two.
Didn't take a genius to see where shit was going. Ukraine was mostly using the excess troops out of Kharkiv for sorties like the one that smashed Staryi Saltiv...but it wouldn't be that hard to build up the force to the south and smash through to Kupyansk. They'd had a few moderately successful probes and while the force south of Kharkiv was mostly just tying up the Russian lines or being used to harass Izyum or threaten to fall on Izyum's rear if they moved toward Slovyansk...it really was inevitable that they'd tear east once a tipping point was reached. Russian lines there were just too damn thin. They doomstacked Izyum but all up north the defenses had been shallower.
And I really, REALLY doubted Izyum was prepared to be simultaneously rear flanked, and have their supply lines cut...which they weren't. Russia left a door open and Ukraine seized the opportunity.
East's completely in flux. More data needed would be putting it kindly. I've been saying for a long ass tie time they need to take the east bank to the south though if they go for the Kherson trap play.
And I mean overland. I don't mean pontoons for the love of god.
No way.
What's your next prediction? Let's see whether that was just a lucky guess or you're actually good at this.
hohols dont understand that this was a PLANNED withdrawal, and they fell for the trap
Now Putin has his hands free and he can focus on taking donbass and Odesa, and theres NOTHING you can do about it
I know you're trolling, but theres some that actually believe that lol
guys Ukraine took 5:1 losses
source: shoigu had a dream about it
oh god shoigu just got pushed I mean jumped out the window, how could this happend?
Isn't that less than what Russia took in Sievierodonetsk?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/11/exclusive-russian-soldiers-literally-running-lives-chain-command/
I wish i could see putin chimping out rn
I’d imagine it looks like that scene from Downfall
Where's the Downfall Parody already?!
>"This cannot be! How the frick can this be?! The experts said Ukraine had no chance! How the frick am I losing to one of the poorest, most corrupt nations in all of Europe?!"
>The experts said Ukraine had no chance!
CIA was really clever to sell Putin the 3 day plan
>CIA was really clever to sell Putin the 3 day plan
That's like a reverse uno card for the Trump election.
So if Ukraine pushes past the Russian border it's full WWIII time, right?
I honestly doubt they will. They probably just want the Russians to frick off so they can get on with their lives. St. HIMARS might have some fun in the Russian interior though.
I really hope that after this we're not going back months of slogfest during which every day is just
>at x direction russian artillery shelled [long list of random ass villages]
>at y direction russian tanks conducted unsuccessful attempts at advancing on [more random ass villages]
That shit was honestly just sad to see
Well winter is coming up so of course everything will slow down again.
But that's boring! Can't we push winter a few months down the line???
If the grounds hard enough to support armour, that just means wearing thermals and keep on killing doesn't it?
Looks like the front north of Kharkiv decided to frick off home
>modern winter warfare kino finally on the menu for the first time ever
Can't fricking wait
>Pontooner will try drive a tank over a frozen river and drown
this is perfect. Ukraine advances. Winter begins. they dig in and consolidate advances. Rinse and repeat next year with the Russian border being the objective.
A few questions from a moron who hasn't been following this too closely:
>what caused this
>was it preventable
>if so, how
>how will Russia respond to this
Nothing really caused it. Ukraine just finally pushed and the Russian forces folded instantly.
>You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down
>what caused this
Russian Lines were overstreched so defenses in the zone were thin ukranians used fast units to punch trough and encircled russian utis causing a rout
>was it preventable
Yes russians knew ukraine was massing equipment in the area but di nothing
>if so, how
Russians should have paused their offensives in the area and positioned additional soldiers
>how will Russia respond to this
Russia is retreating from Kharkiv to establish a new defensive line east of the Oskhil River when and if they will decide to pursue offensive operations in the area is a open question
>Yes russians knew ukraine was massing equipment in the area but di nothing
Where are they going to pull troops from? Kherson? Donbas? And lose those battles instead? They do not have the men for a fight on this scale.
>what caused this
Basically Russia siphoned soldiers from this region to reinforce Donetsk or Kherson and simply prayed that Ukraine and NATO intel somehow wouldn't notice. Also because they weren't expecting a serious offensive there was nothing but a token garrison in the rear areas. Combine this with low morale and it was a complete rout.
>was it preventable
Sure, spare more forces to secure the area, try to improve morale or use better troops so they don't just dump all their equipment and run etc
>how will Russia respond to this
Another pair of gloves will come off.
The Ukrainians found just the right spot and punched through. All this Russian talk about "a planned withdrawl" is total bullshit.
>"We won!"
>"You won?"
>"Yes.....*pause*....how did we win Kronkovitch?"
Oh no, them saying that THIS is a planned withdrawal is utter cope, but I think they did move around troops before that, thinning defenses and thus creating opportunity for a ukrainian spearhead.
>"a planned withdrawl"
No man, it's a Special Planned Military Withdrawl Operation which is being conducted succesfully.
Russia is facing an acute manpower shortage while Ukraine has more troops than they know what to do with. This operation was conducted mainly by motorized infantry because Ukraine doesn't have any IFVs to put them in, but it succeed because Russia doesn't have enough quality troops to hold their lines and artillery isn't enough to hold back these kind of attacks. Ukraine's manpower superiority is only going to keep growing so I suspect this sort of thing is going to keep happening until Russia is pushed back to a range of territory they're actually capable of defending.
How fricking militarised is Ukraine? Russia has almost 4x their population and has more recent military experience with the caucasus, syria etc, meaning they should be able to mobilise a larger and more experienced force, right?
I have no idea how a disaster of this scale could be allowed to happen
Ukraine went full ugly early, get anyone in who can do 'anything'- carry a stretcher, load ammo, clean guns, kill homies with a biro: you're 'army now'
So the reasoning there is that Russia loses in Ukraine, Russia gets fricked a bit, Ukraine loses in Ukraine, there's no more Ukraine!
Russians aren't signing up for this shit sandwich unless its at gunpoint or they're financially ruined, anyone with a functional brain left 6 months ago
>caucasus, syria
Not exactly like fighting a real modern military (1980s/90) with international support now isn't it?
As for the actual manpower, I have no idea, the only thing I know is that the Ukies are fricking pissed and morale is at an all time high.
Russians didn't even know they were going to invade.
A Chechen fighting for Ukraine pointed out why he's and a lot of foreign fighters are psyched: it's different now than when Russia invaded Georgia and Chechnya and everyone knows it, the people Russia have fricked over for decades, centuries even, smell blood in the air, and the chance for pay back is at hand. They aren't going to run out of people who want to kill Russians, the hard part will be making them stop.
>They aren't going to run out of people who want to kill Russians, the hard part will be making them stop.
This is what scares me. What happens when Russia fricks off out of Ukraine?
Internationally? They're fricked, no longer relevant in any way.
Militarily? Fricked, and soon they won't have the money to keep up all of the equipment they had (they didn't before, why should they now)
And despite the almost imminent recession happening in Europe, Russia made them realize they can't rely on Russia for Gas, probably pushing for research on Nuclear tech (which is probably what we needed at this point). The recession won't last. The US won't let it last because it's inconvenient to their cause.
>The US won't let it last because it's inconvenient to their cause.
For as much as we meme about America it's almost comforting to have them looming in the backround in situations like this
>This is what scares me. What happens when Russia fricks off out of Ukraine?
Hey, I've seen this one, it's a classic!
>Russia fricks up land war, tanks economy
>Massive domestic discontent and protests
>Liberal political dissident shipped back from Europe to form a new government
First as tragedy, then as farce.
Chechen War 3 next.
I sure do hope the TikTok Warrior get a good taste of what's to come.
Already fled to Dubai
Mobilizing a larger force would be admitting that something is wrong. It's the same reason the first wave was made up of churkas and nobodies from the Far East; don't want to upset your voters in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
According to Zelensky they have 700,000 troops. Even if that's an exaggeration they out outnumber the Russians at least 2-1. At least 10k are being trained in the UK and more across Europe. They can deploy a new battalion every week while Russia refuses to mobilize so they're stuck with what they started the war with, minus tens of thousands in casualties. If something doesn't change we're in for some spicy days.
>At least 10k are being trained
I guess a lot of them are being trained around ukraine right now.
>At least 10k are being trained in the UK and more across Europe.
They've been shipping them out to the US too for training on the downlow
Ukraine managed rare seen OPSEC in media age & proper diversion in Kherson to force Russia to relocate some forces, then hit where the line was weakest. Encirclements the like of which have not been seen since the first days of Barbarossa ensue.
Not a fan of Russia but I feel for the civilians in the retaken areas who will now be hounded by the Ukrainians as potential collaborators.
They sent investigators into the occupied areas. They're gonna do research first before retribution.
More like Ukraine will use creative methods to liberate its own imprisoned people inside Russian borders. Lot of Ukrainians are being held captive in Russia.
>poor ukrainians being liberated by ukraine
>no looting and deportations anymore
>oh woe
kys homosexual
>nooooo not the hecking collaboratorinos! they were just civilians, it's not a crime to sell out your former country!
lol
lmao even
What are the reports on Lyman, I've heard conflicting that either it's fallen or Russians still hold it.
Far as I know its still technically Russian
That may be changing management at some point soon when they realise just how bad it is nearby
https://nitter.it/TpyxaNews/status/1568996087163195394
Belgorod right now.
Someone's been smooooooooking
Are they really at Lysychansk? Is this map reliable? Holy shit.
Ukraine's head of Luhansk oblast claimed they were on the outskirts yesterday already at least, that I remember
Ukies SOF close combat downing 2 russian while storming Trenches.
https://twitter.com/buch10_04/status/1569004669678096385
>Slowly walks out, almost like oblivious to his surroundings
>Slowly drops back down after getting shot
Did they finally get the snooozzer?
He might have been concussed by the prior explosion.HKMJM
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no bully pls, I am moron
You don't have to actually use caps to write captcha, you know?
https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1569025442153172992
so russia is doing what they should have done since the early days....
they are hitting the centralized power stations
Russia just fired Lt. General Berdnikov, the commander of the western district
So what’s the likelihood of poutíne resorting to nukes once direct contact with donetsk/luhansk/crimea are entered by ukrainian forces? He made a big deal about “only resorting to them if russian sovereignty is challenged” but I assume this was just a bluff
Never gonna happen. Striking first with nukes would be the perfect invitation for NATO to become directly involved rather than just indirectly. It's asking to get wiped off the map.
The breaking of the nuclear taboo would be single dumbest move Putin could make. Every single major nation on the planet has very good reason to condemn that act, and in all likelihood would participate in the severe punitive measures to come after one. This includes India and China, both of whom are very interested in the maintenance of the nuclear taboo.
china north korea india pakistan and the US teaming up to collectively wipe out russia for breaking nuclear taboo would certainly make the 2020s one of the craziest decades in world history
Ukraine now has bridgeheads over Oskil and threatening to run down P66, if you're wondering why the vatniks are shitposting again.