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any drones that could reach it from Ukraine? It's about 2500km

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just have some guys launch them from Kazakhstan.
    Hell, paint a jetliner in Aeroflot colors, fill it to the brim with explosives, and fricking ram the refinery.
    The hell are the Zooks gonna do, invade?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Operation Aphrodite 2: Red Storm Rising

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just have some guys launch them from Kazakhstan.
      You may be onto something anon. Certainly there are Ukrainians living there who could do it. Heck, there are probably plenty of disgruntled Kazakhs and other churkas living there who would work with Ukrainian glowies for nothing. And smuggling a bunch of weaponized RC planes into Kazakhstan shouldn’t be too difficult.
      Frankly I’m a little disappointed this hasn’t happened yet.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just convince the average triple digit IQ Omsk resident to carry out the operatsiya

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You could just tell the local alcoholics that vodka is made in those things. Give it 2-3 days and all are stolen.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you can get rid of these guys, it'll be completely fricked

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      QRD

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cracking platforms. Basically these things take crude oild and then separate it to gus, disel, oils and other shit.

        t.esl

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >separate it to gus

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >when_that_good_kush_hits.jpg

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm no expert but those are probably distillation columns.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You take crude and cook it at different pressures and heats
        Different pressures and heats means the boil temperature is changed. At low air pressure water will boil. It's the ideal gas law.
        Anyways
        Those towers most likely are part of the distillation. So crude is mixed with agents then put into those then boiled. As it's boiled at different temperatures the crude parts separate. Low temp boil off goes one place high temp goes off another.

        You take out those, the entire refinery is worthless. And the parts in those areas take forever to replace and only 3 companies make all the parts in scale in the world. Two are American, one is dutch.
        Hitting those towers would be like a vacuum bomb as well

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those are the things that actually do the refining.
        The rest is just piping, pumps and storage.
        Those are also the things Russia will have a hard time replacing because most of them were build with foreign investment and knowhow and the ones the USSR build are lost tech.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the ones the USSR build are lost tech
          mainly because core parts had been build with foreign (western) tech, know-how and by western experts even in soviet times.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        distillation and fracking towers, they are expensive, hard to build and require specialised materials

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Addendum: Optionally, have a second wave to send in like 15 minutes after. Blow up the first responders trying to extinguish the fires set by the first wave.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How very russian of you

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, just armchair historian. USAAF and RAF strategic bombers did that during WWII, dropping a couple delayed-fuze bombs alongside the rest of their loads.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They did it in the past, therefore it's okay for us to do it now and forever!

            How very, VERY Russian of you.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >noooooo you can't blow up the heckin' vatnikinos
              lol
              *futher destabilizes your economy to trigger a complete economic collapse, famine, and civil war, with millions of dead ziggers*
              lmao

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A tactic they learned from the krauts, who dropped tons of delayed fuse munitions during the blitz

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i think the "scaffolded" looking towers between the red and white stacks are the main distillation columns. you'd be looking for the largest units with pipe work coming down off then at various heights that take off the different fractions. picrel for example.
      the one front middle is most likely not.
      i'm not a petro engineer though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        When you crack crude oil in the still, you can use multiple of them like if we're just doing dumb shit that will pipe off a few things first-
        >Asphalt
        >Fuel Oil
        >Lubricating oil
        After that you can shunt off the higher temp, lighter compounds from the crude into
        >Diesel
        >Av-gas
        >Kerosene
        >Petrol
        >Naphtha
        >Propane

        Generally if you want all the job done, its one big huge ass tower to do everything. But if you say want to stop at diesel and others you can and pipe off the remainder to another tower for further refinement there or whatever. that's sort of why they look like a mad woman's shit hurled all over the place and I've tried to explain to others. This is a recipe, put it in at the control centre and it just maps out what goes where, when, how hot and how much is being produced. So when you kill enough control functions on these fricking crazy things, its absolute bedlam and you can't just call up Aliexpress and order 300 corrosion and explosion proof solenoids, electric motors and valves because its a highly specialised job.
        Literally entire western petro companies 'just do this' because they're so fricking good at it, anyone else is just going to puke out some substandard, dirty garbage.

        When all this kicked off, a lot of western petro companies had their rigs stolen by the Russians.
        Russia can suck all the wieners they want, but I don't think anyone is ever going back there for a long, long time and why Russia won't have nice things like petrol that doesn't clog up fuel pumps

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking beautiful Anon. Clancy was right again. Although if I remember it right, he had them destroy control valves at an oil field instead of cracking towers at a refinery.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree. I too have played Just Cause 3.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's interesting that the multi-year modernization of the refinery was scheduled to finish the year before the war & sanctions started. a lot of the contractors were Western.
    https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/projects/omsk-refinery-upgrade/

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fun fact - you could hide a drone inside a truck transporting a shipment of rocks and wooden sticks from georgia to turkmenistan , then drive it into the drones range and launch it in the middle of a night from some backroad between Astana and Petropavl , and no one would be any wiser.
    This is of course purely theoretical scenario for Euro Truck Simulator,.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >European truck driving simulator

      Does it come with Christmas Market DLC?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        For picking up some delicious marzipan after a long day of trucking, j-ja naturalich???

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Ace Combat predicts the future again
      >My fricking sides can't take much war of this war

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Containerization is not new concept

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >a shipment of rocks and wooden sticks from georgia to turkmenistan
      Bad idea. Such a high value cargo of construction materials is liable to get stolen in that part of the world.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hide a drone
      > "a drone"
      C'mon ... two or three dozen, maybe even a couple hundred small ones. Send them in swarms, loaded with maximum thermite per capacity, have them land on every identifiable high point and self-ignite.

      Definitely keep three or five hovering for full 4K video. That would be something impressive to watch.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's a big drone

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Fun fact - you could hide a drone inside a truck transporting a shipment of rocks and wooden sticks from georgia to turkmenistan
      >wooden sticks
      So you are asking for Shoigu to take matters into his own hands?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    2500km is way beyond any battery, but you might be able to do something with solar, either a super efficient high altitude powered glider style or a maybe like bunny hopping recharging thing. Or just burn dinosaurs like the big boys.

    I'd guess the problem is less pure range and more control range. I have no idea what I'm talking about though. Normally you'd do beyond LOS stuff with a simple cellular connection to relay control inputs, big slow long range drones don't really care about a second or two of latency over 4g or whatever, but could you even get a network connection in most of Russia? They're apparently jamming GPS signals around important shit so you probably can't just make set your ardupilot waypoint in the middle of an important building and set it off. Maybe you could manage autonomous until you get within sight and then point it manually via LTE?
    If would be fun to play around with a few options if you had some funding but there's a lot of things that can go wrong, each layer of complexity multiplies your failure modes exponentially, I'm not surprised they're either not trying or not having any success if they are.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      maybe attach a drone to a balloon, let it fly within a few hundred/ 1000 km then launch it

      I assume big chunky balloons show up on radar though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hey if it worked for China

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Let's see if the Su-57 matches the F22's balloon-killing capabilities

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2500km is way beyond any battery,

      All these long range drones are powered by 2 stroke engines.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're thinking like a naive sheltered zoomer. It's not some gay EV thing, those thing use internal combustion engines, like everything should. They also don't have LTE of mid-flight controls, since no connectivity is available for 90% of the flight. They have pre-planned flight routes programmed into them.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Aussie cardboard drones launched 1 km from its target

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You're out of your pay grade call your supervisor and go shit on the street

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    scratch built by agents, or get pieces at a time through different front companies or deliveries. Just close enough to the refinery. That or just rig planes to fly into them.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1 drone manages to get past AA to not destroy but damage 1 structure of this megafactory
    >5% of the output will be lowered for 2 weeks until stuff gets fixed again
    Am I understanding things correctly or am I completely off the mark?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If only there some few extremely critical buildings that are needed for whole cycle to work, that needs several years to procure and is made from Western components and they kept losing in all other refinery strikes

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A old friend of mine works in a refinery. He told me: "hit the biggest tower, it will burn for days and the entire thing is fricked"

        that entire facility is too keep one production chain going. The ukies have been fricking up the crackers/distillery towers that is. The towers where you heat up the crude oil to several hundred degrees so that it evaporates and you can separate its competent parts. You know refine it. Now when you boil liquids to get a gas you also get high pressures. So you need giant specially custom made steel vats. the russians don't produce those vats, the russians don't design those vats, the russians don't install those vats.
        and if you where to say pierce one of those vats with a shaped charge you have to replace the vat and repair the tower.
        You hit one and the facility is as good as useless. You pierce the vat and the facility is out of action until the sanctions are removed.

        I hear everyone claiming Russia needs Western tech to replace these towers. But how did the Soviet Union build refineries then half a century ago? Also, isn't China now the country with the largest refining capabilities? Does China also get all the critical stuff from the West?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But how did the Soviet Union build refineries then half a century ago?
          By having shit refining ability, Soviet refinery wasted 50% of crude oil to produce diesel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes, half a century ago
          china imports a lot of high end industrial components an machinery because they know just how good their own quality control is

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Soviet Union
          Was more developed, or at least more self-reliant, than current day Russia.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://sci-hub.st/10.2307/40394851
            not really, they were already importing tons of machinery and tech in the 70s, this is an interesting read if you have the time

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Was more developed, or at least more self-reliant, than current day Russia.
            Only kinda. USSR was able to produce a lot more stuff locally, but at the same time it had issues actually feeding itself, having to use oil & gas USD revenue to purchase grain in US and Canada kek, just because of how fricked up socialist economy is, especially in agriculture.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But how did the Soviet Union build refineries then half a century ago?
          Ask boomer Eastern Euros about the quality of Soviet petrol

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But how did the Soviet Union build refineries then half a century ago?
          They literally had oil refineries supplied via Lend Lease...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They bought a lot of tech from the west, but also, their manufacturing equipment went to waste after the fall, any manufacturing they do now had to be rebuilt but they no longer had the skilled labor involved in it so they purchased western advanced equipment that cut out a lot of the manual labor, they solely rely on these western machine now.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Quite simply, Soviet Russia used its "satellites" especially those in Eastern Europe as a supermarket for technologies, products and raw materials.

          The Russians profited from the captured territories, they pretended to be a perfect socialist system while they were just looting and draining resources and energy from vassal countries. Regardless of whether it was locomotives, machines and machinery, food products or uranium...

          They pretended to be lords of the world and infallible counselors with unlimited knowledge. But in reality, they were just thieves with bare ass who left behind unpaid debts in the billions for the goods, services and raw materials they took.

          The funniest thing is that today's Russia is even worse... that country is not ready to produce a bearing smaller than 20mm by its own forces, it can't process heat-resistant alloys (Unable to produce aircraft engines)... And not to mention the production of tanks, in today's Russia it is an unsolvable problem that there are no longer jigs and tools for banal welding of the body of the T72 platform, no one can make them, even if they have available Soviet documentation. They don't have the technology or abilities of the 80's... They are dependent on refurbishing and "remanufacturing" scrap from the junkyard, even for their T-90 production.

          There are few countries more pathetic and ridiculous in terms of development and industrial production than Russia.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The USSR made the mistake of putting its core industries in its colonial territory.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It expected to keep those forever per usual Russian perspective.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The fundamental mistake of the USSR was that they were not able to develop these industries themselves. They only used their satellites because they themselves were completely incapable. Call it outsourcing in the form of occupation. They certainly didn't move anything the only form in their mind is to plunder and steal.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They had to use their satellites because they were still largely agricultural societies and they found that you can't do communism without industrialising first in Russia. The easiest way to do this was to build industry that they needed anyway, and since they had already focused on mass steel and basic material manufacturing, it was the higher end stuff they built up there.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they found that you can't do communism without industrialising first in Russia

                This is moronic. You can absolutely do Lenin/Stalin-style gommunism without industrialization. They did it. What you CAN"T do is have the whole "dictatorship of the proletariat" brutalizing your people AND not be technologically, culturally, and militarily left behind by those nations that are smart enough to not into gommunism. Nations who now hate you because you're evil.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lenin and Stalin communism were two completely different things. Lenin's was much more of a loose federation of nations working towards some unspecified prosperity, though even he got spooked when it turned out his party was losing popular support and got up to hood homie shit. This could theoretically work long-term even if russia wasn't the strongest/most advanced/most whatever, except the west was richer anyway so over time soviet republic states would likely frick off in search of a better deal.
                Stalin was much more of a boot on the throat guy that everybody hated - kinda like modern monke on steroids - so russia would have to dominate their poor peasant union.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The USSR made the mistake of putting its core industries in its colonial territory.
              That was NOT a mistake but a NECESSITY.
              In a modern example - why doesent Lockheed Martin open a factory to build F-35-s in Somalia?
              Because you need actually skilled and competent people to operate and work it.
              Same problem with russians, they are basically Black folk, so everything productive in soviet union had to be put into white countries > estonia, latvia, poland, west germany ukraine etc.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So how did the Russians manage to lord over Eastern Euro for a few centuries? I don't doubt Russian incompetence btw, that's plain to see already. It's just a mystery how the horde just keeps coming back and brings misery to everyone for so long. Just like China too.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Numbers used to count for more in combat than the average modern person comprehends. From the 1940s through 1960s Russian tanks were an unstoppable force. Before, their meat waves were.

                If you were born after ~1990-2000 or so your instincts are based on the world of microchips DARPA kicked off in the 1970s. The pre-smart-weapon world is deceptively familiar because it has guns, cars and radios but the actual way things worked were very different.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unironically this. People who know the history of the late soviet tanks understand this example. Namely, the T-64 was their good tank, it was produced in Kharkiv, the big developed city with a ton of scientists, professional manufacturing, precision industry and appropriate labor force for that. Similarly T-80 was their "let's compete with the west tanks" fancy project, where was it made? In frickin' Saints Petersburg (Leningrad back then), for similar reasons. Why did they make T-72? Basically it's a cheap shitbox that degenerate uraloid homosexuals at UVZ could assemble. Simple as that.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, they went back and started over after ripping these pieces of equipment out of occupied europe just after WW2 and taking them home. Turns out all sorts of sensitive industrial machinery doesn't appreciate being taken 2000 miles uncovered on a flatbed rail car, dumped in the steppe and then operated by some illiterate Uzbek cousinfricker.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah that's actually a good decision usually if you want to prevent future fragmentation. Franco wanted Spain to stay unified but worried that future, softer generations (pretty sure he understood that Spain would democratize after him) wouldn't let regions like Catalonia break away so he concentrated Spain's industry there. It worked: Spain's democratic government was pretty fricking adamant in shooting down Catalonian independence despite self-determination being very important to the liberal west.

              Russia just shat themselves so fricking hard they couldn't stop Ukraine from leaving.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Those industries were there from before soviet times. Do you know that Donetsk, just as an example, was literally founded by welsh businessman John Hughes?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it was by design
              >build critical industry outside imperial core
              >influx of good goy russian workers
              >russian instructors
              >gradual russification of urban population
              that is why there is such a big urban/rural divide in russian/ukrainian popularity

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The more you look into it the more you find out that Russia would still be stuck in the 1800s if they didn't pay/allow Western Europeons to develop the country and later on just steal the technology from them. They stole Jet engines from the British, they stole nuclear science from the USA, they stole rocket engines from the Germans.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russians managed to steal nuke tech from America
            If there's anything they are good at, it's stealing, I guess. Same as China.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But how did the Soviet Union build refineries then half a century ago?
          Quite badly, thus russian engines were built to run on absolutely dogshit quality fuel.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Without a command economy it became vastly more economical to sell the raw resources and buy the intermediate products (like electronic components and a laundry list of other things) from foreign countries instead of manufacturing almost everything yourself but inefficiently. Of course it didn't help that the Soviets built a lot of their industry in places that would become independent.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But how did the Soviet Union build refineries then half a century ago?
          1. USSR also used a ton of foreign industrial tech for its industry. Some of it was from the eastern block, like from commie Germany. Some of it was from places like Japan. Some of it was unironically from US and Europe. Shit even basics were often imported, when things were important for them.
          2. Things done by USSR themselves were pretty much always shit, significantly worse than foreign counterparts, outdated, etc. And even that was often based on cloned western stuff.
          3. The further USSR went, the more complex world industrial tech got, the more issues USSR had with it. Shitty industrial traditions were a part of that, yes. For example, USSR was able to close Intel 8086 by painstakingly reverse-engineering the western chips layer by layer under a microscope. But when it go to 80286, the chips got so complex, that even going through the process of cloning them was too much for the soviet industry. And don't kid yourself, the soviet IT industry was massive and ate through a ton of resources.

          I.e., the could've did something themselves like in the 1960s or something, but even by 1980s the local stuff was outdated shit, so you either need to use outdated inefficient shit or import crap from abroad. And even the local bad outdated stuff often got lost during the late 1990s and early 2000s.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A old friend of mine works in a refinery. He told me: "hit the biggest tower, it will burn for days and the entire thing is fricked"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that entire facility is too keep one production chain going. The ukies have been fricking up the crackers/distillery towers that is. The towers where you heat up the crude oil to several hundred degrees so that it evaporates and you can separate its competent parts. You know refine it. Now when you boil liquids to get a gas you also get high pressures. So you need giant specially custom made steel vats. the russians don't produce those vats, the russians don't design those vats, the russians don't install those vats.
      and if you where to say pierce one of those vats with a shaped charge you have to replace the vat and repair the tower.
      You hit one and the facility is as good as useless. You pierce the vat and the facility is out of action until the sanctions are removed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You hit one and the facility is as good as useless. You pierce the vat and the facility is out of action until the sanctions are removed.
        Such large facility has multiple cracking towers, destroying one would cut production by 25-30%, not completely stop production

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the issue is russia is a main supplier of fuels. if their production is being cut this will drive up oil product prices which will make inflation spike again which means the fed has to keep rates high which might plunge the economy into a recession.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no, russian fuel exports isn't big enough to shift global prices.
          Most countries import crude oil and refine it themselves because it keeps more of the added value for themselves and the logistics of shipping just crude over shipping all the products from the refining products is a lot cheaper.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >russian fuel exports isn't big enough to shift global prices.
            the diesel price in europe is higher now that we dont buy russian diesel anymore. diesel used to be cheaper than gasoline here.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              diesel prices going up has more to do with taxes going up on disel because of muh pollution
              all at helps to up prices but if the gouvernements wanted to keep prices lower they could just knock off some taxes, most of the fuel prices here are taxes
              t. belgian diesel driver

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >russia is main supplier of fuels
          Lol no.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is main supplier of fuels
            >Lol no.
            not directly, but their blend of oil is the one best suited for diesel production. its more expensive to turn other oil blends into diesel.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes, but those refineries aren't producing that blend. They are producing diesel and other petro chemicals for domestic consumption.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sure they can make a fricking steel vat without western technology.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they can but it will take them a year for each one. How many can they make simultaneously? Will china help?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's just a vat bro!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia/USSR is pretty famous for having paper/pulp shortages despite being the biggest wood supplier...

          Milk/cheese used to be a issue to.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            USSR had shortages of grain and had to sell crude oil to buy wheat from Canada

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When the union was on its last legs they actually had to send people to Finland to learn how you take care of cows. They managed to completely frick up their Agriculture.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              My favorite story is how only meat industry only cared about kilos of meat produced per year, so to meet their quotas they would slaughter milk producing cows, producing both low quality meat and destroying milk industry to get gold star for increasing meat production at that year

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >to meet their quotas they would slaughter milk producing cows

                That was just one guy who sacrificed the future for the present. But he also slaughtered calves that would be next year's beed cattle. His actions caught up with him.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryazan_miracle

                The soviet planned economy had plenty of moronation all around, but this particular meat fiasco happened once. Although it probably did impact them for a long time.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              USSR had shortages of grain and had to sell crude oil to buy wheat from Canada

              Russia/USSR is pretty famous for having paper/pulp shortages despite being the biggest wood supplier...

              Milk/cheese used to be a issue to.

              I’m case anyone here is curious and wants to know more, this documentary perfectly illustrates the shitshow that was Soviet industry and agriculture.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trauma Zone (Adam Curtis) is a good watch too

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’ll give it a watch. I need more late Soviet/1990s Russia kino.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                soviet agriculture made the soviet union the main wheat exporter of the world and the area still dominates the world wide wheat market.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                meanwhile the capitalist EU needs 10 times as many farmers per hectare than anyone else in the world and all these farmers are reliant on taxpayer handouts.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone is capitalist these days, you stupid Black person.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet they still had famines and had to beg the US for food.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >soviet agriculture made the soviet union the main wheat exporter of the
                This has to be bait, right? USSR literally had to buy grain from US and Canada after 1960s using oil & gas revenues, because they've fricked their own agriculture so much.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >soviet agriculture made the soviet union the main wheat exporter of the world
                AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
                ARE YOU SERIOUS?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet that footage from 88/89 shows communal farms failing to harvest optimal amount of crops, people scavenging the fields looking for carrots and potatoes, and people at shops being unable to buy meat, sugar, and other basic foods and necessities while living in 1 room homes and apartments. One of the farms had medical
                Students volunteer to work there for service hours. Imagine medial personnel in the west having to substitute classes for picking vegetables in fields.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well it's a good thing humans are actually just pigeons and can live on nothing but bread.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bread is a really poor nutritional food for birds, please dont just feed bread to birds

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >1960's
            >Finland had a massive surplus of butter thanks to modernized farming
            >Soviets had huge shortage of butter
            >Finland was offered a catalogue of Soviet weaponry, just pick what you like and we trade it for your butter. T. Soviets
            >Finns chose a shitload of 130 mm K 54s
            >2023
            >mysterious 130 mm K 54 cannons appear in use by Ukrainian army

            Use them well, friends.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Finland was offered a catalogue of Soviet weaponry, just pick what you like and we trade it for your butter. T. Soviets
              They truly took anti-fascism to it's logical conclusion lmao

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Finland was offered a catalogue of Soviet weaponry, just pick what you like and we trade it for your butter.
              Are you telling me that the economies behind the Iron Curtain ran on a fricking barter system?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Command economies with virtually no cash.
                They used barter but hid it behind communist rhetoric.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s how people bought and sold things then and still do to some extent.
                Their economies and currencies were garbage so people would smuggle goring goods and resources, poach animals and fish, steal things for their jobs, or buy items from cities or elsewhere and trade/barter items they want/need
                Look up the used car market in the USSR. Used cars went for MORE than new ones since used cars didn’t require waiting lists and bureaucratic hoops.
                I had a college professor from china. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, a single bicycle would cost a few months wages. A FRICKING BICYCLE. Makes the scenes from the Tiananmen square massacre more impact when you realize tanks were running over bicycles in addition to people.

                >The USSR made the mistake of putting its core industries in its colonial territory.
                That was NOT a mistake but a NECESSITY.
                In a modern example - why doesent Lockheed Martin open a factory to build F-35-s in Somalia?
                Because you need actually skilled and competent people to operate and work it.
                Same problem with russians, they are basically Black folk, so everything productive in soviet union had to be put into white countries > estonia, latvia, poland, west germany ukraine etc.

                It’s why Russia moved industries in Ukraine and other satellite states closer to Russia proper and placed Russian populations in these nations, as a means of control and to empower their respective group.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/MWluHB9.gif

                >economies behind the Iron Curtain ran on a fricking barter system?

                Yes. Everyone had plenty of disposable income and everything was reasonably prices because prices were manually set. There was never enough of anything, but it all still cost reasonably, so in order to actually BUY SOMETHING, you had to compensate the seller some other way. Between people it was usually in terms of favors owed/called in.

                >You're a ticket clerk for airplane tickets, can't charge more than a small arbitrary number
                >You sell to no one
                >But you want a car
                >Car salesman has cars, can't charge more than a small arbitrary number
                >He sells to no one
                >But he wants to take his family on vacation to Sochi this Decemenber
                >You two make a deal
                >You sell him Sochi round trip plane tickets for his wife, kids, and mother-in-law
                >He sells you a car from his stock

                An unimportant amount of rubles changes hands, but the real value was his access to cars and your access to air travel. Technically no traitorous bourgeoisie capitalism happened.

                Thanks...how did storekeepers actually get their goods then? Did they have to ring up some central committee and ask for what they wanted, then get one of that item when you asked for 50of and 49 of an alternative item thats only vaguely the same?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Thanks...how did storekeepers actually get their goods then?
                Lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shops were assigned inventory to sell.
                whether or not that inventory actually existed (or arrived to the recipient) is another matter.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The:
                High Council
                Workers' Council
                Council of Laborers
                Council of Workers
                [Or however you want to choose to translate 'Soviet"]
                Decides what is necessary and appropriate for a human to live a healthy & happy life.
                Multiply that by demographic census data for every State designated settlement.
                Congrats you have discovered store inventory.
                Modulate rate of consumption via properly adjusted purchasing credits (money).

                If you want a time warp into day to day life as a Soviet subject, there's a channel Ushanka Show, which is a good resource.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks anon, I'll try that channel out!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                my parents are from a ex soviet satellite, i was too young to remember but they would tell me by the end what you do is go to the area where all the stores are and inspect the lines. you ask "what are you waiting in line for" and they say "shoes" or "sausage" or "pants" until you find the line youre looking for that day. and then you just wait in line and hope that theres still stuff to get by the time its your turn. and thats the beauty of communism.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sometimes you don't even ask, you see a people waiting in a line you start waiting with them, don't know what the store might have and nobody around you does either but it has something and that's what counts

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah you know my mom said that too, sometimes you just get in line and see what you get because you wouldnt know when youd see it again. that just reminds me how much i love hearing moronic spoiled kids tell me how real communism was never tried.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pic is comfy af

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >economies behind the Iron Curtain ran on a fricking barter system?

                Yes. Everyone had plenty of disposable income and everything was reasonably prices because prices were manually set. There was never enough of anything, but it all still cost reasonably, so in order to actually BUY SOMETHING, you had to compensate the seller some other way. Between people it was usually in terms of favors owed/called in.

                >You're a ticket clerk for airplane tickets, can't charge more than a small arbitrary number
                >You sell to no one
                >But you want a car
                >Car salesman has cars, can't charge more than a small arbitrary number
                >He sells to no one
                >But he wants to take his family on vacation to Sochi this Decemenber
                >You two make a deal
                >You sell him Sochi round trip plane tickets for his wife, kids, and mother-in-law
                >He sells you a car from his stock

                An unimportant amount of rubles changes hands, but the real value was his access to cars and your access to air travel. Technically no traitorous bourgeoisie capitalism happened.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Outside trade was fricked. Soviet ruble == toilet paper. If USSR want's to buy something from a capitalist (i.e. normal) country, it need to either find normal foreign currency (e.g. dollars, pounds, francs, etc), gold or do these barter-type deals. Foreign currency was acquired from exporting something to foreign countries, but there was always a lack of it, due to a ton of reasons, so when possible not spending it was the obvious choice.

                One big reason for lack of foreign currency was just the fact that USSR didn't export much good products and as time went on less and less stuff was competitive on foreign markets. E.g. in the 60s someone would buy a soviet car in Europe, but by 80s there were almost no such people. Main source of export revenue was oil and later also natural gas. Another big reason was needing a ton of foreign currency to acquire shit, even basic shit like needing to buy wheat in US and Canada (that's right). Hence why when the oil market collapsed it became such an issue, like you wouldn't have money to even buy food abroad.

                But another less know giant reason was the need to support a ton of undercover shit abroad, like USSR had literal thousands of shell companies, including actual hotels, banks and such, most of which weren't profitable. Which often were used for spying, covertly working around sanctions, promoting political shit abroad in a hidden manner and so on. Don't forget people on the payroll, both official (a person working the soviet embassy need a salary in foreign currency to live abroad), and non-official (payouts to spies in CIA for example, bribes to political homosexuals, financing yet another commie organization in murrica or Europe and so on).

                Basically in the early 90s, when USSR collapsed, some of the loans and financial help to russia given by the west was spent not in russia, people thought it was just stolen, but some of that was actually used to plug financial holes in those foreign properties.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If USSR want's to buy something from a capitalist (i.e. normal) country, it need to either find normal foreign currency (e.g. dollars, pounds, francs, etc), gold or do these barter-type deals
                Now tell anon about the pepsi navy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's to tell? That's a famous example.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How can you possibly be able to mass produce artillery and not be able to produce fricking butter?

              Also, fins are based as always.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                planned economy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Flesh lacks steel's durability.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >trannies comparing their "liberation" to 40K cyborg surgery
                Are they becoming self-aware?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unfortunately not.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Soviets spent something like 15% of their GDP on the military on a typical year. Not during wartime like Afghanistan, not for some emergency. On a typical year. The last time the US spent like that it was fighting in Korea. The Soviets just never stopped.

                They pumped out massive amounts of weapons and were able to produce some fairly sophisticated ones. All the scientific and engineering talent went to the military. The downside was that the rest of the economy was shit.

                Sure, the military has a trucks that can shoot nukes but the farmers have to make do with shitbox tractors that are falling apart. Their industry never grew like in the west. They never managed to establish an actual consumer economy and provide genuine prosperity to their citizens.

                If anyone could have made socialism work it would have been the USSR. The natural resources it had are genuinely massive. Hundreds of millions of loyal citizens, access to the seas, massive energy resources.... you name it, they had it and they pissed it all away on stacking tanks in depots.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they pissed it all away on stacking tanks in depots

                and now these ancient tanks get blown up together with any future Russia had

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If your economic planning is done with 5 year plans, system doesn't react to shortages very quickly. When they compensated for any shortages, they usually over compensated.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >tfw the Soviets literally traded the noose with which they are hung for fricking butter
              doubtless, Lenin is cringing in hell.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Milk/cheese used to be a issue to.

            Russia was famous about smuggling Finnish cheese called Oltermanni when the border was still open, because it was just that much superior to domestic cheeses

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I've a friend that married a russian and part of the packages they send her parents are (more or les shelf stable) dairy products.
              And it's not like her parents are paupers, just that local quality is so shit (I've tasted it, it's shit)

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And right now they are selling domestic bootleg copy of oltermanni. Even the packaging is a direct copy, but it had a different name - lapland something iirc?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Milk/cheese used to be a issue to.

            My understanding was that this was localized. Poland and Ukraine had great milk production and supplies. At least my dad and grandfather were never out of milk growing up. Pidorsburg and Moscow, not so much. So a logistics and distribution issue.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >So a logistics and distribution issue
              That was what actually caused most of the early famines in the USSR (and later in commie China).
              in the '20s, the russians were doing a massive industrialization drive in their agricultural sector (funnily enough heavily sponsored by the Americans in the form of fertilizers and equipment), which increased their food output.
              So then they went "Oblast A is producing twice as much food, so Oblast B can stop growing wheat and instead work in a factory!". The problem then was that there was no way to transport the food from Oblast A to Oblast B without it spoiling in the process, meaning Oblast B starved to death, even though the overall food production went up (as tankies are so fond of saying).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >durrr it's impossible to transport grain
                ok nazi

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                under communism? yes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is if the proper infrastructure (or brainpower to manage it) isn't there.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fricking moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Logistics is easy to talk about in vague and oversimplified terms and hard to get right in practice, yes.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So then they went "Oblast A is producing twice as much food, so Oblast B can stop growing wheat and instead work in a factory!". The problem then was that there was no way to transport the food from Oblast A to Oblast B without it spoiling in the process, meaning Oblast B starved to death, even though the overall food production went up (as tankies are so fond of saying).
                The biggest irony of the Soviet Union is the fact that it was run like a giant cyberpunk megacorp.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Famine_Relief_Act
                kino

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There were also a couple of ((semi-)communist aligned) American groups who felt the communist revolution was the russian version of the American Revolution and basically just went "here's a thousand tractors and the schematics to make more, go enjoy freedom!"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Milk/cheese used to be a issue to

            People always bring up "breadlines" when it comes to soviet economy, however bread was pretty much the only thing that was always in stock (thank you capitalist west imports) and according to my parents, it was actually pretty good.

            What was in shortage was pretty much everything else. Any milk products, meats and especially fruit and vegetables were of garbage quality on the rare times a store would get re-stocked.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think it's called a breadline because after you waited in that long-ass line, all you could get was bread

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, originally it was simply a line for bread.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think it's called a breadline because after you waited in that long-ass line, all you could get was bread

              IIRC the original breadlines were British. The Bongs still have that queueing meme about them. Except soviets did lines on a whole different scale so that became their thing.

              >What was in shortage was pretty much everything else.

              As has already been said, it was a logistics issue. Everyone was gun-ho about producing more milk, meat, more EVERYTHING. But storing it? Transporting it? The logistics of everything? If they gave half as much thought to transporting goods as they did to transporting
              political prisoners to and from Karaganda, there would not have been shortages of anything.

              Parents grew up in Ukraine and Poland. Moved around a lot between the two countries, especially the small villages. Fresh milk and good, cured meat was never a problem for them. Refrigeration was though- so absolutely RAW meat and fish that wasn't jerky was very rare.

              Also first toiletpaper factory was opened in 1970. Yea.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also first toiletpaper factory was opened in 1970
                let me guess, Pravda's circulation dropped by a third?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, because USSR wasn't able to produce enough toilet paper for decades. Also a ton of people chose to save money on it and continue using newspapers and were just too accustomed to it to switch.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now that's ten years in the gulag right there

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >it was actually pretty good
              It was shit, but not knowing better + nostalgia does that to people. Similarly how people like to be nostalgic about soviet icecream (because it brings the memories of them being kids, not having it often and not worrying about stuff), while in reality soviet icecream was shit and was instantly wiped away when import became available.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Old bread was fricking amazing because soviet shitholes were simply incapable of adding half the periodic table to the cheapest possible loaf of bread that can exist. Nowadays the same bread is probably called Artisanal Hipstername and costs $20 per loaf.
                Meat was excellent, too, and not like the ultra-processed pink goo sold to the proles shopping at Walmart - it just wasn't available more than a few times a year if you didn't have friends in high places.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bruh, please tell that to someone else, my birth certificate is literally branded with a hammer and sickle. The bread was shit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, but
                >Old bread was fricking amazing
                Yeah it was so good that people immediately jumped onto the degenerate, homosexual bread, clearly must have been tricked by the anglo-saxon Big Bread.
                It wasn't amazing, it was good enough, basic, boring and if you weren't a larping gay you'd know that you can still get it. People are nostalgic for it because as kids occasionaly they would eat it warm when it is good, fresh from the oven from their local bakery next to their block.

                >Meat was excellent, too, and not like the ultra-processed pink goo
                Also larp, eastern block countries were masters in canning mystery meat for the precise reason that everyone knew what was produced industrially was far from being excellent and half of the time far from even being available outside of cans, hence the nostalgia for Tourist's Delight. If you wanted good meat then you'd have connections in the countryside with people, usually relatives, that still did shit by hand in their own backyard away from butthurt old people trying to steal everything at the kolhoz.

                also I don't care what americans eat, you need to eat less shit
                t.slav

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People are nostalgic for it because as kids occasionaly they would eat it warm when it is good, fresh from the oven from their local bakery next to their block.
                And in large cities it often wasn't from a local bakery, it was a series of large "bread factories" (not a joke) in a large city, which then would move bread to local shops. Sure, if you'd go at the appropriate time, the bread would be fresh, but it wasn't guaranteed.
                Also, the reason why people think the bread was good just because of how dull and shit most of the food was for regular people. The "taste pallet" was lacking everything, so even basic shit was perceived in elevated values. Like for many a piece of white bread with butter on top and some sugar sprinkled on it was top-tier tasty snack.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russians only think things are good because they don't know any better
                Wait until the average mobiks finding out that ass rape is not mandatory in the decadent West.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I used to do something similar as a college student with little money. I'd buy the cheapest, shittiest, corn syrupiest bread from the grocery store, hit it with butter and garlic salt and throw it in the oven, and have nothing but 8 delicious slices of garlic bread for dinner.
                Usually followed by lots of cheap beer. These days I bake my own bread and mince fresh garlic for my garlic bread, but I still sometimes get nostalgic for the old ways.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Like for many a piece of white bread with butter on top and some sugar sprinkled on it was top-tier tasty snack.
                christ man you just gave me a flashback to my grandmas village

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a piece of white bread with butter on top and some sugar sprinkled on it was top-tier tasty snack
                I used to eat stuff like that as a child in the west.

                Not on the farm, my mother would bake bread there but in town, white bread with butter and sugar or sprinkles would be something I'd make after school before anyone got home to tell me not to.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you wanted good meat then you'd have connections in the countryside with people, usually relatives, that still did shit by hand in their own backyard away from butthurt old people trying to steal everything at the kolhoz.
                This. Good meat was available to local party elites or if you had connections to people in rural areas who made that stuff themselves. Or alternatively if you had a ton of money (like 3x the good salary) and could overpay for it by buying it in the "kolkhoz markets" vs state-run stores. The prices were way bigger and most people couldn't afford that, if any wanted to have money for other shit. But if you had "gray" income you could have that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are Bush Legs?
                Soviet chickens were scrawny little shits with barely any meat on them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this guy has it right

      A old friend of mine works in a refinery. He told me: "hit the biggest tower, it will burn for days and the entire thing is fricked"

      Ever wondered what the tall bits at a refinery are? They are distillation towers, and every refinery has several. This is what the ukrops are targeting. This is bespoke machinery, there are no spares. Each one can take over a year to design and manufacture.

      Basically there are primary and secondary towers. If you get lucky and hit the primary one called the Atmospheric Distillation Unit hard enough you will knock out the entire facility because most refineries start the process there and the subsequent products rely on it. Hit any of the smaller ones and you've knocked out entire product lines for as long as it takes not only to MAKE a new one but to go and install it as well, and thats not a job you can do in a week either.

      tl;dr the strikes have significant impact measured in months

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm still skeptical of it all. I still cautiously expect Russia to just be able to repair it all quickly.
        If they can't repair it though and petrol prices rise in Russia, farmers are going to be angry af. Russia already seems to be on the edge in regards to petrol production/storage levels. They already banned petrol exports for a few months last harvest season.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russia to just be able to repair it all quickly
          They still didn't repair ones with destroyed towers at the start of a year, three months ago

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They still didn't repair ones with destroyed towers at the start of a year, three months ago
            this makes monke sweat

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They can send it to india to refine and ship it back to russia even if it's extremely expensive.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Assuming India has the refining capacity to spare while covering its own needs.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they have, importing cheap russian sanctions crude, refining it and then selling on the more valuable products has been a nice money maker for them
              especially since the new crude contracts are in rupees and the rupees have to be spent in India

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >farmers are going to be angry af
          yeah at the West and the liberals

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              West is bombing their hecking oil refineries, therefore fault is with west

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, he's right, the farmers will blame Ukraine/NATO and not Putin. But so what? At this point, it's already apparent that the Russian population, by and large, has swallowed the lie that this is all America's fault, even if they aren't necessarily motivated to fight and die over it. No point using kid gloves to keep from agitating them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >even if they aren't necessarily motivated to fight and die over it. No point using kid gloves to keep from agitating them
                None really used kid gloves over some misguided believe that they will overthrow Putin, Ukrainians know pretty well Russians. Ukraine just needed time to build up drones to hit hard

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even then, they’ll be pissed off at the MoD for being too weak to stop them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can't just restart these things. If they hit the towers, the entire system will have fractures in its pipes.
          Everything will need to be x rayed and mostly replaced. The shock waves and fragments from the explosions travel.
          I've worked plants for years setting them up or rebuilding them usually in turn around
          I've been to ones that exploded to rebuild. Everything has to be checked. You could have a section a kilometer away that seems fine until it's x rayed and it's shattered steel inside and if it's not replaced it will explode.

          It's like giant boiling machine full of extreme high and low pressures with highly explosive materials. It has to be close to perfect
          It's not like crude drilling. The capacity rates are insane. It has to be that finely runner so you can make 50,000 barrels a day. 2000 barrels an hour. That's how fast it is.30 barrels a minute

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            stay safe man
            I've seen what a ruptured pipe can do

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I go in after x rays. I "tune" the places for set ups. Russians in general seem not to understand how large and complex these places are. It's a giant rotovap meets engine meets jet engine.
              If Ukraine's hit the smaller "towers" it shuts the entire system down for 18 months at least assuming they get western help. Without western help they don't come back it's like Venezuela

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I go in after x rays. I "tune" the places for set ups. Russians in general seem not to understand how large and complex these places are. It's a giant rotovap meets engine meets jet engine.
            If Ukraine's hit the smaller "towers" it shuts the entire system down for 18 months at least assuming they get western help. Without western help they don't come back it's like Venezuela

            >implying Russians will xray anything
            >implying even if they start to xray anything command from above will tell to restart production as soon as possible or there will be consequences

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >and then things got worse

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >worse

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I learnt this stuff in secondary school (11-16). It doesn't have to be that perfect, you just need it to be able to hold some pressure and the heater at the bottom to work and it'll basically sort itself out. The issues mostly come from consistency, if a tower is hit and they bodge job it it won't be able to run at such high pressure and thus the capacity woll drop significantly. The quality of the fuel (more or less chains of hydrocarbons than you expect) will probably suffer due to imprecise controls for a short while also, but realistically that's stuff they can alter from the outside (unless you damage that part) so that should stabilise eventually.

            But yeah, less production basically until they weld enough steel to get the pressure vessel back up to pressure. Which honestly is bodge jobabble if they don't care about accidents, it's just a fricking nightmare to do.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          see how many years it took to modernize the Omsk refinery, and all the Western contractors it depended on:

          it's interesting that the multi-year modernization of the refinery was scheduled to finish the year before the war & sanctions started. a lot of the contractors were Western.
          https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/projects/omsk-refinery-upgrade/

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia can't even produce Ball Bearings or air bags for their cars. They are literally a resource extract economy with some refining of those resources. Go look up Russian towns and villages on street view, even near Moscow they are utter shitholes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Finally grasping the sheer scale of Moscow in comparison to anything else in the country.
            Poor and careless masses huddling around The Son of Heaven and his forbidden sanctum, in a single concentric warrens.
            Yeah Russia is fundamentally Asian. I don't buy the idea of them being a cultural hybrid any longer. Western-seeming elements are just camouflage, subterfuge, to gain initial access and facilitate theft. Before the inevitable attempt at murder.

            >Russians managed to steal nuke tech from America
            If there's anything they are good at, it's stealing, I guess. Same as China.

            Stalin started out as a horse thief

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Stalin started out as a horse thief
              Actually it was bank robbery. (not even kidding)

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Yeah Russia is fundamentally Asian.

              America is fundamentally semitic.

              >I don't buy the idea of them being a cultural hybrid any longer. Western-seeming elements are just camouflage, subterfuge, to gain initial access and facilitate theft. Before the inevitable attempt at murder.

              Same applies to America. Isnt it ironic?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >horse thief

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ball bearings
            They can, just at a shittier quality and higher price. The quality is especially problematic because it means more failures and more axiles running hot.

            >or air bags for their cars
            Those things require electronics, Russia probably can't actually build them.
            Not that it matters in a nation where people don't use seatbelts because they're for gays.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Go look up Russian towns and villages on street view, even near Moscow they are utter shitholes.
            Pic unrelated?
            Also where do you think the ussr got its ball bearings from?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes concrete commie blocks are beautiful

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                zoomies wish they built commie blocks in le decadent west, maybe they'd be able to actually afford an apartment and start a family
                instead it's "I hope I'll be able to rent on my own by 35" if they haven't bought a decade ago

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no defence for commie blocks, not even a 'personally I don't mind them they have their use
                >just launches into a rant about the west
                I wish they would stop importing millions of 'refugees' and 'asylum seekers', driving up house prices and turning my country into a 3rd world shithole like Russia.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There isn't much to defend - they're kinda shit in almost every way, but they're cheap, space efficient, quick and easy to build, and even commie blocks are far superior to not having a home. I'm mostly making fun of the fact that the west is pricing itself out of living, since people don't want to breed when they can't afford it (just look at worst korea - only about 15% of children are born to poors and 85% to people who are middle class and richer)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Western style apartment complexes are twice as heat efficient, occupy the same space and are more pleasing to look at, commie blocks have no advantage.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Also where do you think the ussr got its ball bearings from?
              Ukraine. Unironically the best parts of soviet specialized metalworking was done in the ukrainian SSR, as well as most of their most cutting-edge shipbuilding projects.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well, if you want bearings, flatpacks and shitting tables you got to go Sweden or German

              >Also where do you think the ussr got its ball bearings from?
              Ukraine. Unironically the best parts of soviet specialized metalworking was done in the ukrainian SSR, as well as most of their most cutting-edge shipbuilding projects.

              A lot of the big diesel engineering for serious boats, avionics, nukes and aerospace used to happen there too.
              It'll be funny in about 10-15 years time when shit calms down and we'll be like "what you making Ukraine?", "Just an aircraft carrier out of melted down Russian tanks"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The tall part are one piece of specialty equipment. So you cant just get a new part from the factory. If it collapsed or has heat damaged steel/concrete foundations you need to build and transport a new one. Followed by testing an priming. Not easy but also that difficult but costly in money and time. Getting the replacement part in place alone means removing a lot of pipes and systems so the crane can fit and lift it in place. Etc

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At which point you just hit it again

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Crude oil goes into a refinery and products come out of it on the other end. At one moment everything that comes out of the refinery goes through the thing or one of the things that was destroyed, now take into account how building, connecting and getting this thing in working order usually takes 1-2 years.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then imagine that repairs have to happen at 12 facilities, spread all throughout the country, with different specs for each one. Also you get no outside help, in fact they’re going to hinder you, maybe even more plants blow up, or the same ones are hit again during repair.
        I get it now why that Lukoil VP may have saw suicide as a convenient option.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I get it now why that Lukoil VP may have saw suicide as a convenient option.
          That was the first suicide of an important Russian where I'm prepared to believe it was ACTUALLY a suicide.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >damaged fuel pump in your car
      >the car now does not run until repaired
      >you are hated by everyone in your town, nobody will help or sell what you need
      >repairs will take weeks because you have to tow your car to another town and the pump your car uses is some special snowflake model that needs to be specially ordered

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just pour 5 bucks of concrete in hole and it will work fine

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    big ol' Omsk

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      RIP, king of doinks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Out in Siberia smoking big doinks

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gang

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always assumed that there's loads of Ukrainians living in Russia, that's how you get funny stunts like that drone who tried to bomb the Kremlin flag

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you don't even need the ones living there now
      there is fricking huge russian expat community now from the men that fled mobilization and a lot of ukies that are native russian speakers
      you could in theory get any one of them to carry out an attack

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even Russians hate Russians, no need

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Forcibly deport Ukrainians to Russia
      >"Wow, what's causing all this sabotage"
      You don't need to be a military-age male to leave a ticking backpack that your glow-in-the-dark friend gave you outside of a critical piece of infrastructure which has no security.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If peaceful protest is outlawed then flying a drone into a refinery is a no-brainer progression.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Support is crucial
    >Nah, I won't vote for aid

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isnt that quite standard for politicians?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For your friend
    Hit the double red x first, if you can't hit the single, if that won't work hit the yellow if that won't work hit the blue.
    It will destroy the refining ability for years.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Here you go

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        anon you have green/blue colourblindness

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably a moronic question but is there anywhere you can hit that will light up the whole thing in flame?

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >from Ukraine
    Why go so far? Just pick a flight like Volgograd - Tymen and have a parasite drone attach to it ( or maybe better pick a train? ). Then the drone needs to travel only 1000km with large portion of flight being glide from 10km altitude.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, someone beat me to it. I'm inclined to think that trains and/or trucks would be the better option. Way more vehicles/routes available to you, you can cling on to the top, out of ground-level sight, with just a few electropermanent magnets, you can get on and off any time to change vehicles, and I expect you're less likely to get caught than trying to do the same with a plane.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this thread makes me want to play captain of industry again

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How about a drone with another drone that carries a battery? twice the battery and you sacrifice one more drone to increase the capablilities.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Drive the drones closer? Problem solved. I severely doubt that the Russian border is impenetrable through its entire extent that you couldn't just sneak a few drones over in a van? Just, you know, don't try and enter from the EU side.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_Tiflis_bank_robbery

    Organised by Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Specifically a stage coach escorted by imperial cavalry which they attacked with pistols and dynamite. Very Wild West.

      Lenin and Stalin communism were two completely different things. Lenin's was much more of a loose federation of nations working towards some unspecified prosperity, though even he got spooked when it turned out his party was losing popular support and got up to hood homie shit. This could theoretically work long-term even if russia wasn't the strongest/most advanced/most whatever, except the west was richer anyway so over time soviet republic states would likely frick off in search of a better deal.
      Stalin was much more of a boot on the throat guy that everybody hated - kinda like modern monke on steroids - so russia would have to dominate their poor peasant union.

      The communists also sought / expected (or at least hoped for) a world revolution, that socialism would mean a global state. Things didn't work out that way and Stalin froze out the outside world which was deemed threatening to the hermetically sealed Truman Show of the idyllic socialist paradise, while simultaneously spreading the doctrine to most of Eastern Europe and a larger portion of Asia at the point of guns during World War II. The result was a strange and contradictory situation in which global communism became a mask for Soviet realpolitik, and Mao broke from that and tried to revive communism with the Cultural Revolution.

      How can you possibly be able to mass produce artillery and not be able to produce fricking butter?

      Also, fins are based as always.

      Another anon said planned economy but it was structurally militarized, so a lot of the non-defense sector would feed the defense industry anyways while the civilian economy was backwards. Some this was dual-use that could go into construction but they stockpiled huge amounts of raw materials they'd tap into in the event of a war. They would select the skilled engineers and put them to work in aerospace but it was a pyramid with raw materials at the bottom that fed the military. This basically flipped upside down with the collapse and politically connected people became overnight raw materials tycoons.

      I’ll give it a watch. I need more late Soviet/1990s Russia kino.

      The perestroika-era New Wave band AVIA was one of the most creative acts from the period since they weren't pro-government but neither anti-government, opting for a satirical pastiche of Soviet cliches that was instantly hilarious to the audience, you can see them lose their shit at the end of this video. They didn't so much as critique the government as much as imitate it in an absurd way (which had a few advantages over direct opposition since the government didn't know whether to interpret them as anti-Soviet or not).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds a bit like Laibach in their meta intent

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hope we're getting another refinery tonight

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have never participated in guerilla warfare or held a rocket launcher. How hard is it to pull up at night, fire a few RPGs or something at it, and then frick off without getting caught?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mortars would probably be better, you could aim them then set up a way to have them fire after a timer counts down so you can get away before the shooting happens

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        reminds me of this

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathrow_mortar_attacks

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Heathrow_mortar_attacks
          Downing street attack is also a good example, heavier duty version of the same thing.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what's gonna happen when russia runs out of tanks in 2 years? Will they get more from north Korea?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My dream is that they start trading their own land in exchange for aid from China.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and they "put him on a clown" this time too
        kek
        Moderate zigger

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To clarify, none of what's happened so far has rendered these facilities completely useless. However, refineries are expensive and complex things to build and maintain, and thus there's usually no massive surplus capacity; everything's built to meet _expected demand_ (meaning domestic consumption + exports). So when their capacity drops to a fraction of the original, you start to run into trouble trying to meet the ongoing demand. You can prioritise the domestic market of course (export bans), but the domestic market needs a certain amount of fuel to keep the wheels of the economy spinning. If you keep losing refining capacity, at some point you're no longer able to meet the needs of the domestic market.

    Can they work around this issue? Kind of. Cracking the crude can be done with less complex means, but you'll lose out on speed and efficiency. In Nigeria, illegal fuel refining in the Niger river delta is done with primitive stills: barrels of crude are heated to vaporize the lighter hydrocarbons, and the vapor is then condensed and collected. The result of the process is a diesel-like fuel that can be used as an analog, though it's rife with impurities. Much of the oil is wasted in the process, and the waste products massively pollute the environment.

    What I imagine the russian fallback will be is somewhere in between a modern cracking tower and a nigerian distillery. Using a large number of unpressurised stills or low-pressure vessels that are progressively heated and stirred to boil off hydrocarbons from lightest to heaviest to feed the rest of the refining process, until only a heavy tar-like mass is left. The process will be wasteful, though not to the same degree as the nigerian variety, and it will be highly labor-intensive due to the need to constantly remove the waste product from the stills.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wont speculate on how accident-prone these refineries will be (in the absence of enemy action), as russias oil refineries were one of their major contact points with the west; some semblance of a safety culture has leaked into the industry as a result. Whether it has the ability to cope with major changes to established procedures is the big unknown. Considering russian culture, and the need to introduce a large number of people not previously familiar with refineries into the mix, I would assume we're more likely than not to see more spontaneous fireballs; but there's a small chance that they'll surprise me by not blowing themselves up.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's a whole swathe of temperature, leak and pressure sensors all thought these plants and provided you keep all the sensors in good order and make sure that nothings pissing out molten-hot as dicks oil and gas over something, they're 'generally' pretty safe. Its not completely safe of course, but most of the time they don't blow up on their own without a good reason.
        Now as few years from now, that's going to be interesting

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >provided you keep all the sensors in good order
          Yes, because if history has taught me something it's that that is something the Russians have the resources and inclination towards doing...

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sure it will be fine. Checklists, best men on the job, that aren't always drunk

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, they're readying their top men. Top. Men.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Is that plug socket drawn on?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but the Russian installer drilled a couple of very accurate holes in the wall to make sure it stays there properly

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What am I looking at?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the standard electrical symbol for ground.
                Attached to a plastic bag full of "ground".

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >grounding by sticking a cable in the earth works in the west
                >but it magically doesn't work in russia
                westoid cope is unreal

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Electrician humor is no laughing matter.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wilo pump, old model but reliable.
              Atomatic air purge valves.
              Water filter.

              that can't be a vatnok installation, materials are good.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            err, that open range tetanus farm sure does look like a fricking radioisotope thermoelectric generators filled with very warm and very radioactive materials, just lying there exposed to elements...

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Gold star. They used them to power light houses

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_radiological_accident

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The other two sources remain unaccounted for

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine walking around slavlands (and the US deserts) without a geiger counter.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Around the canisters there was no snow for about a 1 m (3.3 ft) radius, and the ground was steaming.
                >Patient 3-MB picked up one of the canisters and immediately dropped it, as it was very hot.
                >Patient 3-MB used a stout wire to pick up one source and carried it to a rocky outcrop that would provide shelter.
                >They ate dinner and had a small amount of vodka
                >The men used the sources to keep them warm through the night, positioning them against their backs, and as close as 10 cm (3.9 in).
                >The next day, the sources may have been hung from the backs of Patient 1-DN and 2-MG as they loaded wood onto their truck.
                >Two days after exposure, on December 4, patient 2-MG visited a local doctor but did not mention the mysterious heating source, and the doctor assumed he was drunk.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't believe radioactive sources are still this mythical thing that most people have no idea about, especially about the danger they pose.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >white people don't season they rocks
                remember Russia is snow nigeria.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They didn't even tell their fricking nuclear engineers that RBMK reactors could fricking explode under certain conditions, and then Chernobyl happened. Why tell the average Russian peasant fricking anything?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They don't really factor much into the days of everyday dudes that do dumb shit, day in, day out and completely skipped over any kind of STEM study later in life.
                Like back in 2022, they poured across the Belarus border to Chernobyl and set up defensive positions because they're told to. Find a nice spot, start digging in to the Red Forest region and guys are literally digging into the landfill and super-irradiated areas of the region, getting cooked in their foxholes, drinking sketchy water, rolling around in the dirt etc.
                Being old, I grew up seeing Chernobyl on the news and later followed it up watching the news of were the fallout landed, which bits got really hot and even later in life I was in the military doing the NBC training and to their credit back then, they did a pretty good job of explaining the do's and don'ts of what you can expect. (its all bad!)
                I'd done electrical engineering prior to the military so I had a fairly good handle on how it works

                Average Russian late-millennial officer, he's got none of that! Heck, Chernobyl may as well be a myth to them as anything that happened 40 years ago is just a myth and he probably studied some random, irrelevant shit like Pol-sci, Arts or Great cultural learnings of the soviet system etc.
                >Plus if they had a reader, they probably didn't even bother using it
                >It was 40 years ago, the soviets took care of it
                >What me worry.jpg

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can't believe radioactive sources are still this mythical thing that most people have no idea about, especially about the danger they pose.

                be honest, would you guys be suspicious of these hot canisters in the middle of nowhere with no snow around them?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a lighthouse battery, just like car battery no? Also of good for arrival into sea.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ...Isn't a pipe made of metal because there is a reason for it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nyet, is fine. Now stop asking, or do you want to become the pipe b***h?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russian fallback will be using the free capacity of Belarusian refineries.
      It will be more expensive and it will ahve to be shipped back over a greater distance, but they can temporarily lower the tax, so they can keep both supy and prices stable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And how do you propose they're going to ship 4+mil barrels a day there?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          rail probably

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ...you really have no conception what amount of oil a million barrels is. Pipelines exist for a reason - carrying oil by trainload takes a LOT of trains and requires railway capacity to match. Besides that, I strongly doubt belarussian refineries, used to working with oil coming in via the Druzhba pipeline, could build up the offloading and loading capacity to work with oil coming in by train and refined product going out via the same.

            Then there's also the fact that Belarus has a vanishing fraction of Russia's refinery capacity. It wouldn't work even as a backstop to keep trains running.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so you know that there is a pipe line already, why ask then?
              Yes a millions of barrels is a lot of oil to move by rail
              but there isn't any other way to move it to the refineries aside from a pipeline and if the pipe line can't handle any more pressure than it is under now then train it is.

              If the attacks continue and russian refinery capacity starts going under their domestic consumption to the point that it eats up its reserves. Then the russians will be trying everything they can. There will probably be no one silver bullet fix but half a dozen equally half arsed solutions with each costing more than the last one.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Druzhba pipeline should have excess capacity because with the exception of Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia it is no longer being used. Those three can only use it for their own markets and their exemption to do this ends in july anyway.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's enough to cover maybe half of the required amount, and it still doesn't remove the inescapable limit of refining capacity. Belarussian refineries at their peak capacity (and it's likely declined from those days) couldn't process anywhere near a million barrels a day, let alone several.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it they can't refine that much more you don't have to ship in that much more.
              There logistics bottleneck never existed in the first place
              Just the belarus isn't a solution to the fuel issue

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian fallback will be using the free capacity of Belarusian refineries.
        Belarus whole refining ability is equal to one knocked out Russian refinery

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/BTqdhQn.gif

        To clarify, none of what's happened so far has rendered these facilities completely useless. However, refineries are expensive and complex things to build and maintain, and thus there's usually no massive surplus capacity; everything's built to meet _expected demand_ (meaning domestic consumption + exports). So when their capacity drops to a fraction of the original, you start to run into trouble trying to meet the ongoing demand. You can prioritise the domestic market of course (export bans), but the domestic market needs a certain amount of fuel to keep the wheels of the economy spinning. If you keep losing refining capacity, at some point you're no longer able to meet the needs of the domestic market.

        Can they work around this issue? Kind of. Cracking the crude can be done with less complex means, but you'll lose out on speed and efficiency. In Nigeria, illegal fuel refining in the Niger river delta is done with primitive stills: barrels of crude are heated to vaporize the lighter hydrocarbons, and the vapor is then condensed and collected. The result of the process is a diesel-like fuel that can be used as an analog, though it's rife with impurities. Much of the oil is wasted in the process, and the waste products massively pollute the environment.

        What I imagine the russian fallback will be is somewhere in between a modern cracking tower and a nigerian distillery. Using a large number of unpressurised stills or low-pressure vessels that are progressively heated and stirred to boil off hydrocarbons from lightest to heaviest to feed the rest of the refining process, until only a heavy tar-like mass is left. The process will be wasteful, though not to the same degree as the nigerian variety, and it will be highly labor-intensive due to the need to constantly remove the waste product from the stills.

        Norks have 3.5mil capacity but the logistics are terrible.

        >2024: We are actually talking about Russia importing fuel from the DPRK

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Norks have 3.5mil capacity
          That's literally half of one of the smaller refinery Ukraine knocked out, basically nothing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Russian far east doesn't need much, it would help mostly by saving shipping and rail space.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The far east has refineries of it's own, so it would actually unnecessarily take up logistical capacity that could be used for shells. (I don't think there's a russia-best korea pipeline)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is one under construction that ends somewhere between Vladivostok and the Pacific fleet HQ, but you are probably right. Best Korea does have a couple plants that specialize in specialty items like lubricants, hydraulic fluid and the like that Russia might not produce in the Far East, i'll have to take a dive into that rabbit hole.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Much of the oil is wasted in the process, and the waste products massively pollute the environment.

      The Black personians vent lighter products to the air and dump the coke/heavy asphalt sludge on the ground.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any ruskis here, i have solution for your oil refineries

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine knocked out 600-900k barrels of Russia’s daily oil-refining capacity
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-18/gunvor-says-drones-shut-down-600-000-barrels-of-russia-refining

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is this a lot?
      i'm not reading an article as i'm too fricking stupid

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Total production was at under 7 million barrels per day in 2022

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so not a lot but not wholly insignificant
          eh, I guess every bit helps, but this seems more of an "this will become a serious issue in 2 years" issue unless they knock out a bunch more. shame it came so late since rusBlack folk seem to be gaining steam lately (however slowly)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but this seems more of an "this will become a serious issue in 2 years" issue
            gasoline is perishable item, it's not issue in some distant future, it's an issue now, if someone knocked out 10-15% of electricity production in a country it wouldn't start to be an issue in some years

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it does hit their finances but they won't even need to import, much less ration

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stopping their exports does not mean that they only lack the 5.76 million tons that they previously exported anon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >production lowered by ~10%
                >russia exported 13% last year
                >russia is no longer exporting said 13%
                >they've covered the production loss and still have a tiny bit to spare
                am I not understanding something here?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes you're a complete moron.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it does hit their finances but they won't even need to import

                >or around 13% of it's production
                >Refineries that stopped operations last week because of the strikes were responsible for around 12% of Russia’s national oil refining capacity
                That was only last week attack, Ukraine knocked out cracking towers of 3 more refineries in 2024 before that. According to that Russia is already producing less diesel than it consumes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >According to that Russia is already producing less diesel than it consumes
                hopefully it'll be felt, although it seems somewhat farfetched (granted I'm talking out my ass)

                Russia already stopped exports before the recent wave of attacks. So it bites into domestic consumption. Also any further attacks bites even more and bites double into finances because money made with export of crude will go into import of gasoline.

                >Also any further attacks bites even more and bites double into finances because money made with export of crude will go into import of gasoline
                oh absolutely, the economic losses are clear since it's half their economy. but their economy actually grew almost 3% last year and I suspect economic pressure will take a long time to really accomplish much

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but their economy actually grew almost 3% last year
                According to Putin, also according to Putin 90% of growth was military industry(that is financed from Russian coffers). They already spent 90% of 2024 budget, about to raise taxes by up to 33% and that was all before last attacks on refineries. And we don't know what might be hit next either

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >According to Putin
                according to IMF as well, although it's couched in some cope language
                well hopefully ukrops can turn that 10-12% into 30%, same as yurop can hopefully scrounge up some manfacturing somewhere on the entire fricking continent and murrica can hopefully unfrick their politics a little

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >according to IMF as well
                IMF quotes Russian numbers on GDP growth because Russia banned every single possible way for independent parties to gather Russian GDP output

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >IMF
                Is basing their estimates on what russia told them and is thus utterly worthless.But you already know that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                war economy is a funny creature, it grows and grows during war mainly because your nation prints money to buy weapons and ammunition and pay soldiers, and al this money is burned as fast as it is printed, it builds noting with lasting effect , e.g. GDP in Europe went up and up during both world wars, just to crash after the wars ended. Same will happen in Russia.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >oh absolutely, the economic losses are clear since it's half their economy. but their economy actually grew almost 3% last year and I suspect economic pressure will take a long time to really accomplish much
                For some reason the Ukies haven't just gone wild torching oil wells out in Siberia.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How would they reach those?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia already stopped exports before the recent wave of attacks. So it bites into domestic consumption. Also any further attacks bites even more and bites double into finances because money made with export of crude will go into import of gasoline.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The UAE? Why are they importing oil? Dont they have shitloads of the stuff?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They are importing it on discount, then exporting it on market price. Turkey and India are doing the same thing.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          7 million is a production, not refinery capacity

          is this a lot?
          i'm not reading an article as i'm too fricking stupid

          It's around 11-17% of their refinery production or minus 34-51% of those refineries that were hit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is a low estimate and probably just what was hit in the last few days, this would be about the capacity of 3 or 4 refineries and a few more have been hit this year

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're parked outside pretty much any drone bro.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >OMCК

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I admit bombing bombers got more short term effect.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but what if russian bombers bomb bomber bombers?

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need to fly a drone that far. You need to drive one up to that far.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. You take remote control airplane with 3 kgs of thermite, copper and gunpowder put solar panels on it and have it run. Find a series of landing spots every 350 kms to charge for a couple of hours then go back to flying at night. They go 40-50 kph. You can build them really easily it's all over the counter. Have them land charge up and go. They can go up to ,500 kms a day on a charge with their panels but that's killing it. The trick is you land them during the day then fly at night. There you go.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/solar-rc-plane-300km-7h/60981

      Here's an old source from 4 years ago. I low balled weight min and range max. Americans build these things all the time to track cattle.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fairy bread is sliced white bread spread with butter or margarine and covered with "Hundreds and Thousands", often served at children's parties in Australia and New Zealand. It is typically cut into triangles.
    G'day Tovarisch!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      privet

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thank you homosexuals, I hope Black folk rape more of you

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