Best Self-Defense Round?

Clearly #1 are G2 Research RIPs. What’s #2?

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  1. 1 year ago

    .45 Ball

    • 1 year ago

      Almost unironically.

      The real gain of turbocomsoom ammo id marginal at best.

      Expansion means negligible extra amount of tissue removed from target.

      Overpenetration is an absurd concern if its not humungous, since you are probably MISSING the target etc.

      You need enough penetration, thats all. Which you achieve with milder loads with FMJ, so easier to shoot well... which helps with the only other concern, shot placement.

      Its fun how everybody agrees on this when considering which round is best for which animal, but not with humans (just another animal).

      • 1 year ago

        Agreed. I'm practicing with cheap bulk fmj, I zero my guns with it, it's what I always have on hand. Gud enuf

      • 1 year ago

        Expanding ammunition is just hedging your bets on hitting vitals. There's no other conspiracy around it.

      • 1 year ago

        Nice reddit spacing lmao
        >The real gain of turbocomsoom ammo id marginal at best.
        >Expansion means negligible extra amount of tissue removed from target.
        A 9mm FMJ going through a foot of tissue removes 1.15 cubic inches of body mass. A bad 9mm JHP that only expands to .5" and overpenetrates removes 2.35 cubic inches through 12" of tissue. That is literally double the amount of destroyed tissue. Go up to 10mm with an overpenetrating load at .68" expansion and you get 4.35 cubic inches of tissue damage.
        >Overpenetration is an absurd concern if its not humungous
        It's a waste of energy. 9mm FMJ has nearly twice the penetration needed to blow through the average person. You'd be better off with .32 ACP if you want to use FMJ.
        >You need enough penetration, thats all.
        I'm going to take this to an extreme for a second. A 12 gauge magnum slug will massively increase your odds of incapacitation compared to a 9mm FMJ even if both fully penetrate. There is obviously a benefit to the bigger projectile. If there is a benefit at that point, there is obviously a tangible return in the space between the two extremes.
        >Its fun how everybody agrees on this when considering which round is best for which animal, but not with humans (just another animal)
        That's because there's already a widely accepted penetration standard for humans. The standard for bear defense is the first that comes to mind for minimum penetration standards, and that's because the guns being discussed are sub-optimal for bear defense at a baseline. You ideally want a round that penetrates 24-32" of gel for brown bear, which means the often suggested .44 Mag hard cast is sub-optimal with frequently reaching over 40" of penetration, where a 240gr JHP will reach that 24"+ while not wasting the energy you use the round for.

  2. 1 year ago

    Hornady XTP driven fast as frick.

  3. 1 year ago

    9mm hst 147gr
    Speer gold dot is acceptable as well
    There's nothing else you should even bother with, assuming you mean for humans.

    For bears, there are more options, but personally I like Buffalo bore deer grenades

    • 1 year ago

      Best answer. I prefer 124 +p HST but you can't go wrong with 147 either. Failing that gold dots will do the job. #3 choice is everything else that isn't a meme.

  4. 1 year ago

    .429 DE.

  5. 1 year ago

    Whatever 9mm is doing but in .40.

  6. 1 year ago

    I always wondered if you could get better terminal performance out of RIPs if you pushed them to the upper limits of velocity. I suppose that would be a lot like those super light super hollow hollowpoints some company's making now. Civil Defense? Civil Duty? Something.

  7. 1 year ago

    10mm Auto, adult load, hardcast

  8. 1 year ago

    >better at penetration
    >better temporary and permanent wound cavity
    >will punch through none unlike inferior hollow points

    • 1 year ago

      >not even torx

  9. 1 year ago

    Hitting the target.

  10. 1 year ago

    Underwood xtreme penetrator 115gr +P+

  11. 1 year ago

    124 gr +P HST
    124 gr Std Pressure/+P Gold Dot

    147 gr HST used to be top of the heap, but then Federal nerfed its expansion so I wouldn't confidently place it at the very top anymore. It's still a premium bullet and not much if any worse than the 124 grs listed above.

    124 gr Golden Saber Bonded +P is also quite good.

    .40 S&W:
    180 gr HST I guess

    .45 ACP:
    230 gr HST +P, probably the most reliably devastating of the service caliber handgun loadings (no I don't care about ft lbs energy, expansion and sufficient penetration are king)
    230 gr HST standard pressure and 230 gr +P Tactical Bonded are also superb. 230 gr Ranger +P is pretty good, QC/consistency seems to be worse on those though.

  12. 1 year ago

    G2 RIP might have potential to be really good in the more powerful calibers. Their 10mm loading is ballistically similar to .380, so maybe if they made full-power versions, they would penetrate further than a bb gun.

  13. 1 year ago


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