So it getting crazier and crazier out there. So I hear pistols tend to jam along with pump action shotguns. Also that all these high tech weapons (AR15's) weapons will be impossible to fix yourself. Are these thoughts true?
Best self defence weapons
So it getting crazier and crazier out there. So I hear pistols tend to jam along with pump action shotguns. Also that all these high tech weapons (AR15's) weapons will be impossible to fix yourself. Are these thoughts true?
Next Weapon...
Joe Biden tier weapon.
>>>/k/
This.
Why does OP have to always be a gay?
Please enlighten me!
All guns use similar basic principles. There are no "complex" guns, not common ones anyways, An AR15 is actually one of the more simple ones and the parts are built to withstand way more rounds through it than most guns.
Pump shot guns never jam. The entire manual pump mechanism is designed to clear the breach. It's semi auto shot guns that jam or any semi auto gun that would be more prone to a jam
Final Weapon....
Get a SKS to complete your collection.
>SKS
I would prefer the FAL II - According to the Rare Firearms guy on Youtube; its still good after all this time....
Forgotten weapons is a gay but the FAL is great.
Only civilian version you gonna be getting is a PTR though.
Really though unless you are fricking around you want a more modern system and something lighter than a battle rifle (I have a M1A)
are dsas and imbels no more? I haven't looked at fals in a while
In theory, wouldn't ak be the best? Shits like the toyota tacoma of guns.
In theory you want to use whatever is widely used where you live so in a SHTF scenario you have access to ammo and parts.
AR style rifles are more popular for a reason and part of that is due to the much wider array of aftermarket parts.
At some point you will want to kit your gun out with optics, flashlight, IR, maybe a fore grip, and suppressor.
ARs are just as reliable, more readily available, easier to get both ammo and parts for, and most likely what your buddies will be running.
Having an AK or any other platform isn’t a bad thing but I think if you live in North America you should opt for an AR type rifle or at least something in .556 first then you can start playing with other stuff.
My state is gay as frick and banned AR platforms so I’m looking to get a Sig MCX instead. That or I’m just going to move.
The biggest issue with pistols and magnums is the recoil. You need to practice with it in order to shoot accurately. On the other hand, rifles like the AR-15 have much less recoil and are easier to aim with
I would add that; unless you've ever been in a life and death situation; your me scared as hell; so simple designs....as for AR15; doesn't it have specialist parts... that would be impossible to machine tool yourself?
No and the parts are all pretty simple and mass manufactured. They also easy to replace, but if you're have to replace anything that isn't a spring then you have bigger problems. AR-15s are extremely tough, that's a big part of why the military uses them.
And yes, they are surprisingly simple to people who aren't familiar with them. Easy to clean too, with no tools required for breaking them down. You can do literally 99% of maintenance with cotton swabs, a bore snake, and some WD-40.
>WD-40
>on guns
You absolute fricking idiot
Never use WD-40 on a gun, I recommend G-96
WD-40 will leave the surface bare and promote rust; CLP/G-96/etc leaves a protective film that inhibits rust.
Yeah WD-40 is okay as a solvent to clean with but it dries up. It's best to use a CLP. I personally don't like WD-40 anyway because of the smell. I've switched to all natural cleaners. Grizzly grease CLP is one of them. Mineral oil another for long term storage. I also like shooterlube dot com line of products. Their solvent isn't smelly.
I use kerosene to degrease and clean, pure teflon to lubricate contact points like rails and the barrel and on the ouside a light coat of corrosion X. I dunno if you can get these where you live but it's very good stuff and cheap af.
WD 40 is good if you're using corrosive ammo and you want to displace leftover water in the barrel after you flush it out. Or if a bunch of dust blows in the frame ans you use hot water to flush the shit out and then WD40 it
If you're shooting corrosive ammo just hose it down with dish soap and water or use kerosene like I do. WD40 is literally mineral oil + kerosene.
Windex works really well if you want to give it a quick clean before you leave the range.
>gas rings
AK-47 for the win
Modern weapons are not extremely difficult to produce, the most difficult component to manufacture is the rifled barrel, exclusively because of the rifling. There are many ways to rifle a barrel- the easiest being a rifling button. You can create a rifling button from a tungsten carbide tool head or from high carbon steel. the difficult is that if not properly engineered it cn crack or if too short it can turn on its side while being pushed through ruining the barrel. 410 steel is the barrel material usually- it's possible to buy that with a hole through the center that just need to be reamed to spec. the only other part that need the same strength of steel is the rear case support(the locking lugs and case holder) and the firing pin. the rest can be made out of whatever material you feel is sturdy enough. spring making is well studied and widely available. measurements and characteristics of the components are readily available.
You can buy a rifling button from China on ali express for 20 bucks and if that's illegal where you live you can cut the rifling by using electrochemical machining. All you need is a cheap 3d printer, copper wire, a hydraulic pipe, a bucket with salt water and a battery.
>rifling by using electrochemical machining.
Limitation on depth, most of the ftime they use that for handgun barrels.
Most real life combat scenarios are 3 yards, 3 seconds, three shots.
Aim, while important, isn't everything.
One shot with the right bullet anywhere center mass will end a fight. The 40 and 357 mag will work.
buckshot.
So if you have a double barrel with buck shot that should do the job; the ideal your be in a prolonged shoot out sounds alarming...if you can't get you kill quick better retreat and live another day!
>Most real life combat scenarios are 3 yards, 3 seconds, three shots.
No they aren't.
Pistols won't jam unless you use shit tier ammo or don't maintain it. Pump shotguns are one of the most reliable weapons there are and ARs aren't high tech weapons at all anything in an AR is replaceable and all you need to service it is a set of screwdrivers, a small hammer and a few punches.
Wrong. A malnourished child-soldier in an African warlord army can handle the recoil from any weapon. The thing that makes long guns easier the shoot is that they have a better sight radius and the relation between the trigger weight and the weight of the gun is larger so trigger control mishaps won't affect the shot as much
israelite know all of you onions-wristed gays are going to dirt-napped, right? I can shoot any of 3 pistols at 100 yards more accurately than a larping memeflag can use a rifle. You do realize this, right? I can also pick up the same rifle some homosexual dropped while running away and accurately dispatch they/them before they can get back to their vehicle.
This is in no way intended to be threatening. I just don't think the leftoid, memeflaggots understand how out of their element they are.
I'll be lucky to survive Roscoe's attack due to his modified binary trigger but I'm banking on accuracy and I'm pretty sure he'll burn through his ammo before I do.
I have no fear of anyone who has killed <10 big game animals. Not for trophy... for food. It's basic confirmation.
The frick you need a gun for pussy. Use your hands like a real man.
My hands control the weapon like a human.
Monkey
this. i am a man. i not only use, but sometimes design tools. every since puberty.
Because I want to stay clean!
"Fight like a man! PUSSY!"
I’ve never seen a more moronic take.
>pump action shotgun
>jamming
Well; I'd think in a shootout; your ability to keep pumping would be impaired; also the shell casings will stay in the gun...
Black person my ksg launches shell casings at mach 1, directly hitting your wrist each time you pump a new round.
This is why I like the ideal of having a double barrel; you can keep the shells....
You can keep all the casings once you win the firefight. You should buy one of those rubber rollerr that pick up brass
>rubber rollerr that pick up brass
Sounds like a b***h to carry around...plus i dont think you would want to hang around..
Best to have a 357 mag revolver than.
You obviously need to watch hickok45 on YouTube and get the rundown of how to own and operate a weapon, before you do anything.
I moved away a long time ago...what made you say? (Was born there, USA citizen and all)
You don’t live in the states do you
NAMEFLAGGOT
MEMEFLAGGOT
HERE WE GO
Not using your dick to clear the chamber.
NGMI
Do you think poorly made pumps can't misfeed? I've personally experienced it
Plus in a real life and death situation, I'd think someone would be nervous/shaking panic etc...so a simple double barrel would be better?
scenario 1:
>miss twice
>too nervous/shaky to reload
>oops, now i'm fricked
scenario 2:
>dont want to waste a shot because then i only have one left
>hestitate
>oops, now im fricked
for castle defense you want capacity and stopping power. you don't want to hesitate for fear of wasting a round, and you definitely don't want to run out.
semi-auto pistol, semi-auto rifle, or semi-auto carbine are what you want.
more important than weapon choice is practice though. you should know how to load/unload/clear jams/aim/etc. just with muscle memory, because panic overrides critical thinking skills.
i use a 9mm carbine because of reduced risk of over-penetration, cheap rounds for lots of practice, and more than enough power to drop any human threat when loaded with hollow-points.
I'd imagine; that I'd fire off two big rounds; then pull out revivor fire and retreat; then use Kar98K sniper...but id I had dough'' I'd think AK47 or FAL...
if you're already at shotgun range, then you better hope your shotgun works or you're really practiced at drawing your revolver. switching weapons in a scenario like this takes a lot of thinking, so if you're already worried about panic then this is not a good plan.
also the kar98 is really overrated, mostly because of ww2 games and nostalgia. it's an ancient design with expensive ammo you'll never be able to find.
So better a 22? My impression the Kar98K is the AK47 for bolt action rifles...
if you're doing long-distance then you want a hunting caliber like .308, 6.5 creedmoor, 30-06, etc. you're doing yourself no favors using an old gun with uncommon and expensive ammo. a scoped .223/5.56 rifle like an AR would work well too, as long as you're not planning on taking out deer or bears.
also modern AR's are basically as reliable as any old AK these days. a lot of them beat AK's in the good old mud test.
I have a model 99 .300 Savage. Now that is a gun
>also the kar98 is really overrated, mostly because of ww2 games and nostalgia. it's an ancient design with expensive ammo you'll never be able to find.
No guns detected you can buy 8mm at Walmart, Jesus frick how old are you?
>expensive ammo you'll never be able to find.
https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/8mm-mauser-ammo
Full if it.
40 round mags for ar-15 is my go to.
Just keep your ride lubricated and get quality parts.
Build a poverty pony or any other basic lower and put an AR stoner A1 front post upper on it with an MBUS rear flip sight. Or buy a complete lower. You will save hundreds on a name brand retail rifle and you can use the savings to buy ammo to train with.
Bear Creek arsenal makes the AR stoner brand by contract for Midway USA and because of that they tend to be a higher quality than the ones they sell on their website. They consistently out perform other budget brands like PSA. Especially in accuracy. I've "built" several for budget conscious friends and they all have shot almost or even under MOA with no non operator induced malfunctions.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016872351?pid=221905.
Complete upper $400
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017358216?pid=239400
Lower parts kit $40
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016481066?pid=473116
Stock and Buffer assembly $45
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319289991?pid=785494
Rear flip sight $55
That's the whole gun sans a stripped lower. Go to your local gun store and get literally any basic b***h one they have. They should be about $65 add maybe $15 for your 4473
That's $620-635 for a fully functional rifle. Get not less than 4 regular ass normal 30 round magazines about $15 a piece and enough m855 to load them all at least twice. Then get the cheapest brass cased range ammo you can and get your meme flag using ass to the range.
If you only can get one weapon get a God damn rifle. AR's are the best all around for the states for the money.
You're a pussy ass weak armed homosexual that can even pump your own dick
I've had 500s and 870s jam on me but it's typically my fault. Everything can jam.
Just get a .357 and a pump 12 and ur good for 90% of situations.
The FBI did a study on civilian shootings, and something like 97% happen between 1-5 yards. All the people promoting long range shit are misleading. It's going to be a melee fight with a gun.
nogunz or just stupid? I've had pumps jam up on me before. Usually it's operator error or something wrong with the action.
>Usually it's operator error
That's the main reason.
Short stroke.
I've had semi auto shottys jam far more often than pump
They can jam the same as any other gun but it's more common to short stroke them. Better off with a Benelli M4 or Beretta 1301 as a fighting shotgun if you can afford them.
Usually from short stroking the action
Which I think is likely to happen in a real life or death situation....
A revolver, a rifle and a shotgun. The holy trinity.
I thought it was a nice mix...
Better yet, a 9mm revolver any .308 rifle, & a ww2 trench shotgun.
Perfect for an apocalyptic survival scenario.
>9mm revolver
These are uncommon. A few manufacturers have retro-chambered models in 9mm which is neat but, still kind of odd. The novelty and sharing ammo with your plastic gun seem to be the only perks.
Hard to get any of this stuff in the UK...
Charter arms makes a 9mm revolver that is pretty neat.
.357 and .38 are pretty common revolver calibers and ammo is easy to make. The cases stay intact better than rounds often fed through a slide action.
ruger makes a 9mm revolver as well. requires stripper clips though, because of the 9mm rim design.
Yeah I have heard talk about them but haven't seen one ever.
I actually think the charter arms takes them moon clips too but I'm not 100%.
You're talking about the Ruger LCR. They are very good CC pieces with a nice trigger.
>stripper clips
Uh huh. Sure.
You'll never find it in stock. Wish i could just order a Lcrx 3in direct from ruger but even the website only shows the 2in.
.380, 9mm, .38 and .357 all shoot the same size bullet (give or take a few grains depending on ammo choice)
.380 and .38 are weaker (200-300ft-lbs)but have smaller guns
9mm+P and .357mag are very stronger (400-500ft-lbs) but require heavier/larger guns
revolvers don't jam because you can't limp wrist them but slide guns will failure to feed if you don't hold it firm which might not cross your mind if you're being attacked
9mm revolvers are rare because they aren't a rimmed cartridge meaning you need a little metal holder so the rounds don't fall straight through
but what if the ejector rod was more complicated and by pressing on it, what would be a sort of built in moon clip would be recessed back into the rod?
...and both colt and bulldog each independently invented it. I was late to the party.
gentleman. with a moon clip, could I shoot a 9mm out of my 357?
Only one way to find out!
I have an old Webley MK4. Saw use in ww2. I call it my Dr. Watson pistol. Still works, oiled properly, great condition. The gun will outlive me.
A rifle, a Colt .45 auto (not a copy), and a backup .38 snubby. Shotguns are for the birds.
>memeflag
>complete nonsense post
Checks out
everything can jam/malfunction. this is more related to make/model of the gun and choice of ammo than anything you can blanket say about entire categories.
semi-auto pistols have the advantages of better recoil, customization, ammo choice, and capacity. revolvers have the advantage of being very simple and easy to clean, and a misfire won't effect the then time you pull the trigger.
pump actions are actually great because of just how easy it is to clear a jam if it gets dirty: pump harder.
ar-15's are not exactly "high tech" weapons, just very cheap because the patent expired and every company can make them. they've been around over 50 years now, and you're more likely to find cheap spare/replacement parts for them than any other rifle. glocks are similar with their huge aftermarket.
Any thoughts on a good ammunition type? Also wouldn't a AK47 be easier to maintain in this apocalyptic life and death situation?
if you're worried about maintenance in a SHTF situation, then go with basic b***h ar-15/glock/remington 870 and you'll have spare parts galore
>ar-15/glock/remington 870
Noted! Thanks
>remington 870
Why does everyone promote this piece of dogshit? Easy to break extractor leaf spring, shitty shell door that snags gloves, heavy like a tank. The Mossberg 500/590 is the only pump that passed military testing, but it never gets any love.
The 870 Express is suitable but I have an 80's Era 870 magnum that has served me well. That being said, good 870 parts are surprisingly hard to find, and there's no reason to buy a new 870 over a Mossberg 500/590... if they're finally back in stocks that is. A year ago the only Mossbergs in stocks was the 88.
>no reason
the 870 is made in america the mossburg is turkish trash
>Easy to break extractor leaf spring
rem700
I handled a Rem 700 in the store and it felt like cheap, sloppy shit. My Weatherby Vanguard seems much higher quality.
Modern remingtons suck. Modern everything sucks. Weatherby is good. Savage is okay. Good triggers.
can't go wrong with Weatherby
i went for the Savage
I love my mossberg. Kitted it out for the home and is a mean machine.
Remington arm was just too wobbly.
I bought the Norinco clone of the 870, and i just really hate its overall design. Mossberg is superior in every way.
Mossbergs are nice but benellis are better
Modern Benellis and Berettas have gay swoopy plastic shaping. Mossberg has a traditional look that pleases my autism.
>Mossberg
its made in turkey
USA or Mexico in the case of the Maverick 88
rem is all american easy choice
one day, I will get a mossberg 590a1. I just like the concept. For now, my cheap chinese norinco that refuses to fail.
>he thinks that real life SHTF is going to be like Fallout where you can just casually scavange any crap you need
lmao
>rem870
Cringe.
Get a Mossberg 590A1
>he thinks that real life SHTF is going to be like Fallout where you can just casually scavange any crap you need
In the case of the AR-15, it is true. If you break a firing pin, bolt, trigger, barrel, etc... you can for the most part replace it with parts from someone else's guns. Provided you have a few basic tools like a wrench and pins.
You guys can have ARs in Taiwan? Are you a party member or what? kek here's my gun btw 🙂
>You guys can have ARs in Taiwan?
lol no. Only gang members have guns here
Sad af. I know that there are some indigenous communities in Taiwan that make their own guns to hunt but even them must be persecuted
I used to shoot +p+ 124gr 9mm but I quickly noticed that the muzzle flash was too big and figured out it was due to unburnt powder. I'm using a brazilian made (magtech) ammo and I got to chronograph it and it's just 30 fps lower than advertised on avg. I also noticed that American made ammo usually performed poorly and the advertised velocities were almost always wrong.
That's right. That's exactly what it is. Unburned powder. Even the fastest burning powder on the market will not burn completely even in a rifle so in a handgun you have a lot of unburned powder. Published velocities are from special barrels at the factory that are super tight and long. There's an old formula we use to adjust for it but I don't remember it off the top of my head. It's pretty significant of a difference. In pistols it can be a hundred to two hundred feet per second difference, usually it's around 40 to 100 though.
in an apocalyptic life/death situation i would take a .22 for one reason: i can carry thousands of rounds in my bag vs. maybe a few hundred of anything else.
.22 is small, and there's the definite possibility that one shot will not immediately stop a threat, but it's definitely a lot better than nothing.
for the most part you would probably be using it to hunt small game like rabbit/squirrels/etc. anyway. you could drop a deer with a well-placed shot as well.
my choice of apocalypse weapon and castle defense weapon would not be the same.
Goods Points!!! Although I'm paranode about leaving shell casings... wanna hide my evidence! What kind of ammo are you using in this 22?
.22LR is the most common caliber so i would stick to that. .22short is becoming less common and actually more expensive than LR these days. hollow points recommended for small game hunting and defense.
AKs are completely unserviceable by the user. If the frame cracks, you just have to buy a new one.
The kids in Africa seem to do fine with them.....
You are a dumb motherfricker. I'm done with your idiot thread.
Not anywhere in America or western Europe. Spare parts sufficient to build complete rifles are available in lost modern gun shops in America and very few western nations use the AK47/M. An AK74 would probably be viable in most eastern European countries
True!
Revolvers also have an advantage in that as long as you don't need to reload, you aren't ejecting spent casings everywhere. Revolvers are quite reliable as long as the gun hasn't been abused by flicking the cylinder home, bending the crane and pall (hand)
Im glad someone listens...I don't my shell casings around the scene
dumb Black person
Literally if it's not a crime then it's not a problem. If it was, then all of us good guys wouldn't be carrying pistols.
Revolver is more complex than a glock lamo lol
You are in a war zone then carry a semi auto pistol. If you are just doing basic concealed for personal protection a revolver like shown or Ruger LCR in .357 is great.
I'm not going to be suicide bomber! Plus were would you by a working grenade...
>Are these thoughts true?
Nope. The best is a Glock 19, AR-15, Remington shotgun. All are easy to fiel strip, and can be repaired with a pin puncher. They're also all crazy reliable as long as you clean them, which is super easy. The only gun I own that's ever malfunctioned is my .22 that doesn't like CCI Stingers.
I've heard this about the Glock....very reliable
But I like the idea of keeping my shell casings...
get a casing catcher, or just tape a bag on top of the ejection port.
Please go shoot a gun for the first time and lurk for 2 more years preferably on /k/
I think a lot of people get hung up over collecting them pointlessly. It's one thing if your making your own reloads or getting money from recycling. Otherwise it's isn't a problem. As for as evidence is concerned, if the use of force is justifiable then it's a non issue. And the cop are going to know who was shot with what anyways.
And yes, Glocks are crazy reliable. You have to seriously neglect them for them to start malfunctioning. The only malfunction I've personally seen was from a cop who literally never cleaned or cared for his because it was department issued. His magazine spring was worn out, so it wasn't feeding right or locking open on empty. Replacing the magazine brought it back to 100% reliability. And again, that some serious neglect to let the magazine spring get that bad.
Well these days I wouldn't trust the jury pool...if i could get away i would....and not say anything...like its more likely the person would be someone of colour....so it doesn't look good on TV etc
Then get good self defense education, learn the laws in your state, and get USCCA insurance. And remember the first rule is don't go in for a statement, and don't talk to cops. If the prosecutor is one of the shitlibs, leave them in the dark until it's time for Discovery. Then your lawyer can embarrass them so hard that the jury decides it hates cops more than you.
>Glock 19, AR-15
These are both ugly as frick
Yes, but who cares? Ugly guns for ugly business. The ugliest gun is the one that doesn't work.
>remington shotgun
He’s gay OP don’t listen
The shitty QA company is gone. Remington is good again.
My choice would still be the M/45B.
>Glock 19
baby manlet hands lmao
The hellcat pro beats it in every way
>Remington shotgun
ohh no no no
>The hellcat pro beats it in every way
I really like Hellcat, but it's not the Institution that the Glock 19 is. Also, kinda funny to bring up the Hellcat and baby hands in the same sentence.
I was talked into the 15 round mag 9mm meme. Don't do it. No room for the pinky with extended mags. If you had to have a 15 round pistol, maybe for weight savings, the Hellcat has the gaylock 19 beat.
Glock is a terrible company. Their insistence on old luger grip angles, competition paddle mag releases, and unsupported chambers is just moronic. I have no clue why they are still relevant. It's like there is some secret to marketing stupid shit to morons. That goes double for the fricking SIG autists and their sky high bore axis shit pistols.
It's because at the end of they, they work great. Don't get me wrong, it's not like Glocks are all I own and carry. It's just credit where credit is due. They work.
On that note so the Springfield XDs and Hellcats. Hell, S&M Shields work great. And personal favorite is the 92. I'm just a fan of 9mm.
>Glock is a terrible company.
>But likes israelitefield
>no room for the pinky
you must have big hands. my 12 rounder is a perfect fit for me. so you shoot what, 17 or 20 rounders?
You type like an aborted Black person after festering in the sun for 10 days.
These can drop a big fat pig.
Interesting!!! How much? Can you just by it? How like would someone be out?
Amazon sales them.
Cool, how long you think it'll take a man out? I remember the scene in the film Casino...the guy counting cards... then the Birthday people come in....and zap him (is it quite?) how many zaps?
nunchucks!
based and nunchaku pilled
wew $4k for a jammer?
just get cargo net rounds for a 12 gauge
> SchizoDepot dot com
How does jamming a drone signal help? Sure, maybe they don't get a video feed and can't give the drone movement instructions, but it's not like this would make the drone fall out of the sky. Wouldn't you have to just keep the gun aimed at it until it runs out of batteries? If you stop jamming it, wouldn't they just regain control instantly?
make drone stationary. easy target. net that fricker and repatriate it.
I literally built my own ar-15 in a matter of a few minutes with a little research. They're probably the easiest gun to fix and build.
some really good advice on how to deal with the police after youve had to defend yourself with a gun, anyone open/conceal carry should see this
High tech AR 15’s kek buy a revolver and have a nice day now
Never had a revolver jam. Stupid Walther PPK jammed on the first bullet.
I had one jam, single action army clone. It was the plate that the hammer rested upon after firing. It loosened and slowly unscrewed itself enough to lock up the cylinder. A spot of loctite fixed it.
Saturday night special in the past. I’d say any dog sauer 9mm or 40 cal today
*sig sauer
1911
>boomer detected
Rapeslave zoomer detected
I've herd this too; still being made...
it's not true. modern combat pistol is always going to be better, but they are fun. i own a few myself but never carry them
That's a man's handgun, I'll take my dual .44 mags all day tho.
kek. it never gets old.
guns are for homosexuals,
i study the blade
Good luck in your knife fight...I here theres like 15 odd place you could get stab and die...but if i did choose one it would be....
i am just kidding anon, i like a good snub nose 38 or 357 as much as the next anon
A black powder revolver that can be delivered in a box to anyone’s door defeats you every time.
I hadn’t got to your other posts yet.
laseranon is that you??
No, I haven’t seen him here in a week.
you study the wiener, nerd.
What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little b***h? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fricking dead, kiddo.
I appreciate the effort
Bersa Thunder Plus 380
>very compact
>15 round magazine
>does what a 9mm will do but in smaller form
>very concealable and comfortable to carry
>double action, very safe to carry
>cheap, $300 or so
Interesting...what about taking it apart and cleaning it?
Rule number one with a handgun, never go cheap.
How much is your life worth to you?
Bersas look cool but honestly those double stack .380s are almost as thick as double stack compact striker guns now, plus they're aluminum framed so they weigh the same if not more.
I prefer a claymore with a trip wire. Just remember to pint towards enemy.
Like you can by that on the market...
Let's talk bullet caliber.
You want a bullet with enough force to penetrate your target and stop. Too much force and you're wasting energy by having your bullet continue traveling through walls or people.
Ideally, when the bullet stops it has enough energy to frick up your target. One shot one kill.
Based on actual combat statistics there are two calibers that have a one shot 96% fight ending power. That's the .357 magnum and the .40.
9mm takes multiple shots to drop a target, and the .45 goes through the target and keeps going wasting energy.
Noted!!!
This is true, 357 would get the job done and mine is small enough to fit in my pocket without anyone noticing it. Also not much recoil.
>357 that fits in your pocket
>not much recoil
nogunz homosexual LARPer
This is horseshit.
You use hollow points in a carry gun. It's almost impossible for hollow points to travel through a human.
The tests (not) referenced are for ball ammo, which is only used for target shooting and by militaries.
Caliber is irrelevant between normal handgun and revolver cartridges so long as you're carrying hollow points and not FMJ like a moron.
would fmj not be superior when being hunted by say a bear hiding on the roof outside ones house about to breach?
Fmj will always be superior for blowing a hole through said bear, but hollow point would have the stopping power and damage.
what if the bear was wearing level3+ plate carriers ?
Bears have a really thick hide, if you try to use JHP it will embed itself on the surface. Use FMJ or hard cast for bear.
I think the kid is adopted
no features from the father
9mm and .357 are the same size bullet and often have the same muzzle energy
uh no, the 357 uses a heavier bullet. Up to 180 grains at velocity 1050 fps for 441 foot pounds of energy, 9mm max average bullet 125 grains at 1150 for 381 foot pounds.
I carry 9mm 147gr +p it's the standard FBI load and in terms of terminal ballistics it's comparable to standard pressure .357mag. If you're going to use .357 then use it with a carbine there's literally no better use for it since revolvers are obsolete as a matter of fact any pistol with less than 15rds is obsolete.
I like the plus P rounds too, but take it from an actual gunsmith. You are losing a shit ton of that velocity out of that short semi-auto barrel and there goes your energy. Published velocities are NEVER as high as real velocities and you'd have to shoot out of an eight inch barrel to get even close to published stats of the plus P rounds. Revolvers get you there faster with barrel length alone and the longer sighting radius gives you better accuracy.
9mm can shoot 147g and both are commonly loaded to 450-500ft-lbs, its not the 1980's anymore plus most people aren't loaded their .357 with 180g, 158g is a lot more common
An argument as old as time. Just carry what you are comfortable with. Personally, I'd rather have a .357 revolver in my pocket because you don't have to think about if you have a round ready or if the safety is on. You just pull and shoot.
This is literally 80s tier misconceptions. A shotgun slug will go through the chest of any man and it won't make it less effective a .380 +p HP will almost never leave the body if it's a center mass hit and it's shit tier ammo. When were's talking low energy projectiles (aka any handgun round) There's no hydrostatic shock in play so only 2 factors are relevant to stop a threat and they are mechanical incapacitation like when you break the femur of your attacker or shatter his hipbone and sudden drop in blood pressure making him pass out. So the best ammo for self defense should always be the one largest diameter projectile you can shoot fast and accurately and for 99% of the people that will range between 9mm and 45acp. Contrary to what most people think hollow points aren't meant to dump the energy into the target they are meant to increase the chance of hitting a large blood vessel due to a larger surface area. If anything, linear momentum is a better metric for bullet effectiveness.
whats that have to do with my post proving 9mm and .357 are the same thing
and don't (you)me with that 147g vs 158g because 11 grains ain't shit of a difference
If you're considering terminal ballistics then 147gr 9mm and 357mag will perform about the same I said that here
The reason I mentioned (you) is that ft/lbs or muzzle velocity is almost irrelevant when it comes to handgun performance in self defense scenarios.
>hollow points aren't meant to dump the energy into the target they are meant to increase the chance of hitting a large blood vessel due to a larger surface area
Also reduce chance of over penetrating walls in case of a miss
That's prob a factor in the US since you guys don't use solid walls. Here and in Europe most walls are made of brick and cement so it's not something we take in account afaik.
What are you supposed to do if they are hiding behind a wall then? Ask them to come out nicely?
Damn that looks like some comfy maté tea time.
pull up a chair anon
Do you what gas they used to try and put the old man to sleep? Might be good to carry it and make them sleepy first...
That movie was surprisingly good and i was rooting for Stephen Lang.
Is the squeal any good? Straw Dogs (The original is good)
>i here pistoles tend to jam along with pump action shotguns
This is generally an ammunition or cleaning issue when using firearm choices that have been proven reliable over time. Low load pistol calibers, especially out of very short barrels like CC guns can have issues, and pump shotgun problems are usually user-induced with soft/short stroking or using the wrong shell sizes.
>also that all these high tech weapons (AR15's) weapons will be impossible to fix yourself
PARTIALLY true. Small fixes are easy, but actual damage will take some machining or scavenging if you don't want to order. Thankfully all the parts in an AR or AK are super simple.
Choice really comes down to who is using it, your experience, how it'll be carried, and your local laws. There's reliable arms and ammo of every major type in a variety of calibers.
It's people like you why I love PrepHole...
These are my current favorites for protection. G20 for bears when I’m at the cottage or or feral PCP nigs down home, and the M&P long slide for everything else in between. The G20 is expensive to shoot if you want to run anything remotely adequate through it, but it’s essentially an auto loader that holds more than twice the rounds but it’s stopping power is somewhere between a .357 mag and .44 when using the correct ammo.
Forgot pic dammit.
i love my old pistols but they're just not viable to carry when we have 15+ round striker fire pistols now
Really like the J-frame series, very small
or maybe a nice 44
was actually looking at this, and never bought it, back when we were arguing over vests and ceramic verses steel.
that was before covid, i miss those days.
but this is a pretty gun, what do you guys think? Smith and Wesson model 29
youre an idiot for carrying something like that concealed or open when you can carry the only .44sp anyone ever needs
Too much recoil. You're better off using a .40 or 357 mag. .44 is better with a longer barrel, less recoil but it will definitely kill a bear, or whatever is hunting you. I just wouldn't go for a .44sp for everyday carry.
40 has more zip to it than 44 special in my opinion anon, special is buttery and smooth. 40 is high pressure
I'm not going to argue that point. Although .44sp is a one shot kill for sure.
357 is easier to carry and ammo is cheaper.
>combat grips pilled
nice,
i have pic attached in .44,
and it jams with special in it believe it or not.
it needs the larger hotter load to cycle it..
but i do love the special round in the revolver. max comfy
I herd this gun is heavy; your try holding that thing straight after a time....
its about 7 pounds which absorbs the recoil and makes it fun to shoot. it is a range gun to me, not for home defense, or personal defense and edc. too powerful for home defense in my opinion
that is a fun one
The early production were far superior. But the company changed hands many times. Now charter arms are sloppy as frick.
Like nice; but what about the COLT Python? Maybe over powered? Most shoot outs...say no more then 10yards?
very expensive. great gun though, but would not carry because of size/weight.
what will be your daily carry once full auto smgs are cheap and legal again?
not a uzi because it a 9mm that weighs 10lbs which is more then a 7.62x52 battle rifle
mini-macs are nice and 1,100rpm
These are fantastic with a brace
Found a pic of OP
I got a 300 win mag for that...
No. You can get the complete technical reference manual for an AR-15. It's one of the few guns you can maintain with access to simple machine tools.
That's why they want to ban them, they're stupid simple, high performance, highly reliable and CHEAP. Not like the fricky days of trying to accurize M14s and Mini 14s, or trying to make M1 carbines reliable. And it's not like shelling out $1500 or $2000 on an FN SCAR and ARX or Galil or something, they're fine with elites being able to afford the cadillac guns.
OP just get a Palmetto AR and one of their Dagger Glock clones if you don't want to spend the money, or get an Aero Precision AR and a S&W M&P 9mm or a CZ P-10, or a Beretta APX but finding holsters for it is impossible.
I have 2 80% pistols I made myself, an ar15 I put together myself, and a cheap Turkish shotgun. The only time I ever had issues is when I used some shitty ‘professional’ 9mm reloads. Just maintain your guns, function test them regularly, fire them often, and use quality parts and ammo you’ll be fine.
I carry pic related at home. Never leaves my side.
Its the sling shot guy; thought he was cool for a while? Could you buy that in uk? But maybe a paintball gun loaded with marbles might be better then a single shot weapon? Same with cross bow...
>defence
Britbongs can't have real weapons.
I know....that why the UK has grooming gangs...so sad to see what has happened the Anglo Saxons....70 years of socialism 🙁
Glock 30 or Colt 1911, or any of it's derivatives/copy cats.
.45ACP is the ultimate Black person knocker caliber. Make sure to buy hollow point ammunition.
>45acp
>laughs in 10mm
lol, lmao
overrated boomer round
.45 is good out of short barrels, just sucks on capacity
The Springfield XD is good in 45 on capacity. I just prefer single stack for most guns. Small hands like Trump.
Single stack still has its place as a CCW, have you tried a real thin compact like an arex delta?
I haven't. I'll check it out. I was thinking of the g26 single stack too. I have the double stack in gen 5 and I love the upper, but I hate the way the grip doesn't align with the trigger. I want to carry my 1911, but it's a government model. I have lots of options, but I've never found a semi I like carrying.
you do not like carrying the 26?
its nice and compact and what? about a pound i think? carried it daily for about 8 years
I hate it. Too fat. Can't grip it. Small hands. And you have to point your finger DOWN to reach the trigger. The lower design is a mess. What were they thinking?
have you tried the 43x? or 43?
lol @ 10mm laughing at 45
>lol i say
lol
what do you need that big ass bear round for davy crocket
Scratchy scratch they won't come back
>high tech weapons (AR15's)
The design is 65 years old
I was considering the amount of parts to the gun...sure its an old design..
The AR-15 is a work of art. It is unquestionably the best assault rifle in the world. You have to have some engineering background to appreciate it though.
gas rings and ejector design are over complicated and there is no reason for that many locking lugs, it doesn't make it any stronger or lock and better then 4 lugs
over engineering is not good engineering
Nope, fully pneumatic design is golden.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/why-does-the-ar-15-bolt-have-so-many-lugs.552470/
How about maximum load bearing surface with minimal bolt rotation i.e. 22.5˚? A two or three lug bolt design will offer the same/similar 50% bearing surface but will require 90˚ or 60˚ of bolt rotation respectively. I would imagine that the quicker the bolt can lock and unlock the better, particularly if the rifle is capable of fully automatic fire.
More lugs = less rotation to lock the bolt. That's why you see bolt guns with 2 lugs that have 90-degree bolt turns, and three lugs that have 60-degree bolt turns.
gas rings are stupid and break and wear out
Easily changed out.
And it's basic as frick. Have a spare gas tube and BCG, and you're GTG.
This Hmong tribal guy who can't read and lives in the middle of a jungle can maintain his AR-15 for decades.
And guy can't even maintain his fricking teeth, but can maintain and keep his AR-15 running.
First you should have a nice day. Then, that's it. You know shit about guns and aren't googling so you're just some weirdo glowie, israelite shill,bor both making a slide thread with a meme flag, so I hope you die.
ARs are ideal for newbies. Extremely powerful, not much recoil, and easy to take apart and clean.
best weapon? A hot tight butthole that you always keep lubed. First sign of trouble you just drop your pants and show the hole. Who's going to say no? Unless you run into a dyke patrol...But let's be honest, that's pretty darn rare. Keep a hot tight butthole on hand, and you'll never have anything to fear!
thinking about an m&p shield myself
I have one it’s really nice
They are good. Really can't go wrong with newer glocks, shields, XDS, etc.
^This is good advice. There are so many great guns coming out. They days of shitty Saturday Night Specials are over. We're drowning with great options.
The best home defense is a saiga 20 with a 25 round drum loaded with slugs
Sounds like your shoot up your whole house; thats like a whole weekend plastering your walls back together....
Can’t have a home invasion if you don’t have a home
Op, you sound like you're 19 or have never held a gun in your life, movies are not real life
isnt this question for /k/ not /misc/?
yes but us /misc/ varmits some gun talk once in a while, good for the morale
he's not limiting it to guns, if you know any good defence weapons to fight zog you can list them.
I suggest lasers, explosives, and crossbows.
Use of force is political. Just ask the commies.
a suicide vest with a dead mans trigger
nobody will dare to harm you
I thought the Sig P365 was the best all around conceal carry pistol. Or maybe it’s been surpassed since the pandemic.
Slaughterbots and Killdozers
I am very fond of this gun.
Yea. I have the PPQ and it is wonderful. But no external saftey and the fricking trigger reset is insane. It's almost like a full auto.
What are you talking about? AR-15s are extremely easy to swap parts on and very reliable you could go through an entire civil war with one and it'd be fine to put 15k rounds through it.
You are a dumbass and I hope you jump off a cliff.
M&P shield for side arm and AR15 for a rifle.
>Shield ez
Bruh
gay ass grip safety
that's worse than a magazine disconnect
I'm partial to the 30s
same, cept i have a different mag in mine
>=]
It's true, a revolver has a long service life and is very reliable. Also the calibers they generally come in are usually straight walled cased and so they are easy to reload and can take black powder and pure lead bullets. In the long run they will last a lot longer than semi-automatics. But they are a little hard to find in gun shops right now from the way I understand it. Most companies aren't producing them because they are expensive to make and most have been already bought up.
>Are these thoughts true?
No.
For those that actually want to know the answer to this gay thread on what is a good carry gun,
>sig p235
>glock 43x
>springfield hellcat pro
those 3 are probably considered the best overall right now. I'm talking specifically for the best for CCW in the United States.
>sig p235
p365 rather
Glock 17 Gen 5
Eh, I used to carry a snub-nose .357. Honestly I don't recommend it. The recoil is pretty intense, and they are comically loud. They're cool guns, and I'd probably carry one if I lived in a safe area. But if you live in an area where there's a possibility you could get jumped by multiple nogs, then I'd go for a double stack with a spare mag. I prefer carrying a P365XL with a spare mag if I'm going to a dangerous area. Plenty of fire power for the average person. Glock 19 is also a good option.
Would you rather have 8 shots of .357 or 6 shots of .44? Leaning towards 8 shots of .357 magnum because it's still powerful and the majority of self defense cases are solved within 1 or 2 shots, some without even having to pull the trigger because the perp runs away.
8 of .357. I love the .44 mag but 357 is good enough and more is better. Either way loading with hollow points is probably a good idea especially with the 357. Maximize damage and make use of the higher velocities of the 357 in that case.
.357 is the best handgun you can get. It hits harder than a 9 and can shoot two types of ammo so it's versatile as well.
THIS. Also makes a nice carbine decided on it for my general doomsday caliber.
Got my eye on a Henry .357 right now. I'll have a rifle that can take a deer, a side arm for protection and I only gotta carry one type of ammo. How perfect is that?
Beautiful gun. Have a Marlin .357 and carry a Kimber. Excellent taste Mr Satan
I've carried a glock 43 for years but would consider changing to the sig p365 for slightly more weight
the 43 is nice anon, i have one.
its a nice little gun, i like it. its perfect for lightweight edc. have you tried the 26?
no, my son in law has iwb carried one of those for a long time, he's deadly with it, he's done the competitions with 125 guys and came in 2nd, I'm no where near that kind of shooter, I just need something to get me out of a bad situation. I'm 56 but still pretty stout for an old guy, I think Im actually pretty safe. I'm the only person I know who has stuck a finger behind a mans eye and tried to scramble his brains so in a nasty self defense situation, I think I'm gonna survive. I do not go to the hood for any reason at all.
The 43 is my idea of a good enough carry gun. It's like a more accurate version of a snubbie. Doesn't hold a lot of rounds, but it'll do the trick 99% of the time.
Well, its bed time....lost of interesting points!
When society breaks down people tend to stick with their own tribe...a lot like prison...and although the NAZI's did loose the war etc; I just can't see the western world uniting under Jesus the israelite....I think (for arguments sake) Himmler had the right ideal with his Waffen SS legions; whereby National Socialism becomes the guardian of the ethnic state..I believe the era when people where dazzled by material wealth is dying fast...no one believes let alone will die in order to have more stuff..anyhow there is already more books, films, music online that can fill up a life time! Night
>pistols tend to jam
just get this you idiot
i totally want that
I refuse to believe that OP
>is being serious
>is out of high school
>is not a homosexual
>has ever shot a gun
>speaks English as a first language
>lives in the US
This. No way he is over the age of 18.
>morons recommending OP guns that he could never get because he already admitted to being british
lmao
Never had a C7 jam on me. Saw somebody's catch fire after dumping about 12 magazines at somebody. AR-15s supposedly finicky but I've never experienced it. I was always ready to clear a jam in an emergency and it's probably not a safe way if your at a gun range and you get a hangfire or something.
I've been happy with my POF
Mossburg 500 short barrel pistol grip if you live in an actual urban area, get one with a stock if you think you'll use it for hunting or shooting trap
Thanks for the 7kb image, memeflag. Could a 642 airweight with replacement grips but I don't have an electron microscope to confirm.
CARRY COR®BON!
Federal HST is the most consistent performer across the board in all the various tests I've seen.
hst is good shit too
but COR®BON has meme power
i personally opt for gold dot because my baby loves it
Based
every israelite should own one or many goyim can not be trusted
Kek, he forgot that thingy that sticks out the back of the slide
I'm a self defense expert and let me tell you, the signal most effective weapon you can get, is the kubaton. It looks non threatening, is legal everywhere, and is highly highly effective.
I have pic related. Saved my life many times.
You need to get various weapons. You need a sword on the wall and a baseball bat at you door. The gun you carry can be something simple like a 9mm or 45. You carry hand gun needs a hammer on it though, double action single action one that the barrel doesn't move. You'll then need an ar15 and any 12ga shotgun pump or auto it doesn't matter. You'll need to get a 2 shot derringer any cal above 25. You need a good knife maybe a switch blade and hell buy a set of brass knuckles. You need all this for various situations.
I'm a lanklet and all these guns are too small for me
like it's genuinely hard to get my finger around the trigger while holding the gun
If your hands are too big large rubbed pachmayr grips can really help, if your hands are too small wood grips shaved down and re-checkered make a huge difference. I have to shave down all my semi auto gun grips and re-checker but my revolver grips work fine for me because of the way revolvers are shaped smaller naturally.
For CC any reputable brands double action/single action 9mm/.40 cal. Keep it simple.
this is the rifle I'm interested as a PDW
you are going to kill the intruder and your neighbors
Lmao high tech. You're a damn idiot
buy a Black person dog
The best self defense gun is the one you keep on your body. I'd rather have a NAA mini revolver in my pocket than a .45 somewhere I can't reach it.
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