I’ve found the best places to live for most shtf events are Florida (specifically the Everglades ) and the West Virginia mountains
Isolated , (little to no zombies )
Terrain advantage meaning raiders and zogbots aren’t going to have a fun Time if they try fight you
Remote enough that they won’t be as effected by radiation or destroyed as much as other states or locations
In the case of Florida everything that breaths either wants to kill you or eat you after your dead so there’s another natural defense
The Everglades are a national park meaning zogbots will be forced to fight you man to man and not in a jet or using drones
Floridas environment also allows many tactics of both defense and attack ,
>civil disturbance and political stress begins
>Anon goes to live in an alligator and snake infested swamp to "wait it out"
>after a few months of hard times, everyone pulls together
>new normal is established
>society moves on
>nobody ever hears from Anon again
great plan
unironically a busy area in a big city. being out innawoods (or innamountains as it were) just paints a target on your back for the feds.
oh and as for the national park part they'd probably still drone ya but either way how do you expect to live out there without getting caught?
They can’t destroy or harm national parks even if they wanted to it’s against the law and they know it on top of the national outcry if they did harm them ,
>it’s against the law
Damn, someone should make it illegal to kill kids
If you don't have enough people that are willing to band together to create some sort of political momentum now, you'll be lucky to be a loner or a bunch of dripped up /arg/ posters that people refer to as gay aids lepers
This guy gets it. No one is going to care about you reading FM 69-420 when their kids are hungry, but it may be something you can talk about when picking produce in the field. A lot of gun tubers give the impression that a small town is going to supply a bunch of overweight homosexuals to larp all day as the main characters when shtf.
That’s the thing , anon , the Everglades and the forests are so big the chances of you getting caught are minimal and on top of that there are numerous caves and mines in both states you could hide in
They can spy on you all they want but it won’t mean jack if they can’t find you ,
Imagine trying to find someone in the best camo imaginable hiding in the Everglades with a sniper rifle and to add to it even if they do find you then you can just jump into the water and move to a new spot
>bUt MuH pYtHoNs AnD aLlIgAtOrS!
Don’t be a retard , wear sunscreen , bring food and water , have a shelter set up , and you’ll be find
The goal is to be so irrelevant that no one comes after you. This is the best defense. If someone does, then blast 'em, but the trick to proper self defense is avoidance.
Unless you are already fully self-sustaining in those areas, they won't be much use.
Hiding is not rebellion. Why do these faggy larpdreams always incorporate the protagonist as a rebel? You fools watch too much israelitelywood. You won't do shit because you aren't leadership material. SHTF is like container threads on PrepHole, neither are really about their supposed subjects.
If there is a hint of nukes dropping, I'm taking my wife and kids to our mother in laws place nestled in the cunt of the Rocky Mountains. Hanging out in the city is just a shit idea... A smaller town or regional city of fewer than a hundred thousand is the place to be, since you're likelihood of getting irradiated decreases significantly.
i do not want to be out in the everglades with all of the mosquitos and wasps and alligators and no A/C and im floridian
West Virginia. No one cares about the state, it has like three ways in. Is covered in mountains and lacks decent cell service.
>lacks decent cell service.
Federal offense to have cell service or radio signals of any kind in like 1/4 of the state as well.
That's where our ears are.
yeah
>anon forgot about the nuclear plants around country
I elect the Australian high country as the best place to be in SHTF.
>The High Country is located in the north-east of Victoria. It is an area that features national parks, Victoria's highest mountains, lakes, snow resorts, vineyards and a rich history including gold discovery, cattlemen and bushrangers.
Australia having one of the least dense populations on earth combined with its disarmed population and absolute abundance of kangaroo makes it ideal for survival. The high country specifically is ideal because of its natural mountain barriers, freshwater streams and hostile weather. Your average person cannot just hike into the high country and survive. They have to know which tracks to access otherwise they will meet sheer cliffs and they have to be prepared for the sudden storms and snowfall that can occur year round. They also require a gun or gillnet having both being optimal.
If you google it the data says 25% of Australians own firearms. This is false. Only 6% of the entire country owns firearms that includes estimates on illegal weapons. It's hard to explain to a foreigner just how easy it is to hunt a kangaroo. We're talking about a herd animal that weights 100lb on average it hops around and this animal does not require stalking like a deer. There are over 10 million of these things. Over a million in the state or Victoria. If you do happen to come across another person which would be extremely rare, its doubtful they would have a gun. You could live the rest of your natural life using your gillnet to catch fish and your gun to shoot kangaroo. It wouldn't even be very difficult. You would quickly become bored because of how easy it would be to survive up there and you would have to find some way of occupying your mind as finding food would quickly become a simple task.
>farthest from probable nuke target envelopes (and upwind)
The real bug out & living off the land option is ocean access.
That's all well and good avoiding the assumed strategic weapons situation that precipitated all this: Red China talks about colonization land grabs incessantly, and little yellow-green men are coming well inside a year to ethnically cleanse you.
>and little yellow-green men are coming well inside a year to ethnically cleanse you.
Trying to search the entire high country would be a fools errand.
Arizona
>miles and miles of desert
>so many gun owners and gun shops any real wide scale rioting will be gunned down
>summer sucks but winter is nice
>thousands of RV parks from old farts to commend-ere
>fuck off we’re full
If you aren't up north you'll die of dehydration and don't think us norf will let all 6 million of you hotheads come up to overdrink and overhunt our lands. We only have to block off one road and then some. Good luck scaling the Mogollon rim while getting gunned down. Stay in your containment pit.
It’s true many will die of dehydration and starvation, but there are enough wells and bodies of fresh water to sustain the real natives. All the cali fags and Michigan snowbirds will die off or flee in a month. Enjoy your northern hyper libs.
Actually living in a small city with some industry and farmlands close may be the best bet, even more if you got some military outpost nearby.
You basically have most of the components needed to kick-back civilization (agrarian production, technical expertise, law enforcement and a large workforce) rather than attempting to become an actual IRL iteration of the Lord of the Flies.
While most people will probably have to start ration and many hard choices will be made you will still have a very good chance to stay alive for years to come, for starters and being creatures of habits local authorities and armed forces won't suddenly go feudal, instead they will try to keep alive the cultural hallmarks they were educated with, secondly, as show through research, facing major disasters more often than not tighten community links, the unmotivated shitposting of yesterday will suddenly find they are vital in the farms, workshops and maintenance force, the entire gender ideology hoaxes we see promoted will succumb to the reality you cannot longer import migrants or outsource labor and instead you will need proles to keep the machine going.
What goes after the first years is anyone's guess, but historical precedents show humanity has always managed to pull themselves out of major catastrophes, this isn't even a matter of ideology but biological presets hard tested through tens of thousands of years of living on this planet.
>if you got some military outpost nearby
In a nuclear scenario, you don't want a military base near you. They're targets and most likely to get pasted before military adjacent civilian industry.
I know, that's quite a chance, but provided is quite small they may not really bother, on the other hand if their strategic bombardment is anything to go by, they may prioritize large and medium cities even over some military outposts, and then there is the whole issue of how much we can take russians at face value when it comes to keeping their weaponry, even their strategic ones, in working condition. If you consider their nuclear submarines are a good indicator then I won't worry that much about them having enough missiles to hit some minor urban or military target.
Optimistic. I like it. I agree that humans show their best self when challenged the most, and their worst self when given everything.
Well, some call it God's will, others call it evolution, whatever it is I still believe you can find more security within numbers provided there is a certain sense of commonality
Part of having a hobby should do that, help you "create your own tribe" for when shtf, but not as some group of cultists who are going to try to create the next big social experiment, but as social building block to ensure you can sustain the best ideals your community and nation built, through centuries of hard work and intellectual inquiry. Particularly the after table, and that's where all the IT wonderworks should actually help us all instead of infecting us all with unreality, to bring novelty to the table, tales from other peoples, to compare and see what we are doing well and what we are doing wrong, to, well ruminate, unironically I believe self-criticism is the greatest strength of the west because it invite us to take responsibility on our acts rather than blame someone else or go vranyo with the evident results, but then being capable to see our own flaws should be a reason to be proud, instead you reassert your own capabilities and adjust accordingly, you don't generalize, generalizing is for failed collective ideologies.
I suppose that sounds contradictory to the idea of excessive individualism, but I think is more the strength to see both yourself and the other and see how it's going to be played, and then so how to face reality rather than fall into some, well, hehe, some amazing digital circus.
>west virginia
Fuck off were full. My chickens live in a better home than you
what the fuck are you going to eat
The swamp will provide. Come on and get your rattlesnake/shrimp/possum/gator gumbo!
dont eat opossum they are fren 🙁
Friends don't eat my fucking tulips the moment they start sprouting
they are just hungry
Well so am I you little fucks
Mountain for sure, you set checkpoints on the roads and you control nearly all means of access. You're susceptible to forest fires depending on the area, expect retaliatory fire setting when you tell naggers they can come into your bastion. Have lower scout teams looking out for it.
Isn't Florida constantly plagued by natural disasters?
Bad hurricane every two years, those usually hit a little north of the glades. I'm a FL fag looking to go to Wyoming, that guy is still retarded.
>anon has contracted mercury poisoning
I think a medium-sized island in a lake with a cable ferry back to mainland is pretty much ideal. I eyeballed this setup flying around Northern Indiana. well, I guess it's more ideal for zombies than more mundane shtf.
I'll wait it out in my backyard tbh. No one would come looking for me there, too obvious.
Mammoth Cave
>Florida is hot as satan’s nutsack, and it’s getting hotter here.
>if you are huffing around without water, in a post-apocalyptic Florida, you will get weaker, fast, and then die. People here don’t like to admit this.
>everything is not trying to eat you. Cottonmouth snakes are now as rare as israeli farmworkers. And as for gators, I’ve tried to sneak up on a gator and grab it for decades. Never got close. So shut up about about the damn animals.
>Florida is 50% minority. They will lie to you and kill you for nothing. I’m the end of the world, people become tribal. Your demographic is 75+ years old in Florida.
>the Everglades suck. If you have a boat, you can get lost in the ten thousand islands area, but so what, you’ll die there. They probably won’t even come looking for you, just let the crabs have you.
>the actual Everglades is either airboat or four wheeler accessible… but idk what purpose you’d have to go out there. There’s nothing out there. Deer are like unicorns these days. Just trees and bushes and fire ants. If you go 14 feet into the woods, you’re seeing the same shit you’ll see 88 miles into the woods.
>I wouldn’t drink anything out there that I didn’t boil for 6 million hours.
>flare will pick you easily, even in heat.
I don’t think Florida is a good place to go to ride out the end of America. The best bet is to leave America and go to someplace worthless, like Bolivia or even Get super creative and go to papa New Guinea. I won’t go, because America is not ending. We are just getting started. 110 soon.
>specifically the Everglades
Enjoy your trenchfoot and dysentery you fucking moron.
>Best places to live for shtf
On a military base
>shtf
You won't do shit
Keep shitting your pant to go take an edgy picture, nobody cares. Russia got embarrassed.
LEARN HOW TO MAKE/USE/CLEAN WATER FILTERS. LEARN HOW TO TURN DIRTY OR SALTY WATER INTO POTABLE WATER. STEP FUCKING ZERO.
You need a place to bug out to. No, your current home doesn't count. You always need a second location. You want the mountains, far north as possible, away from any nuclear silos or military bases. If you're really rich, you want a secondary home somewhere in canada near the border, and relatively close to your original homestead in north america. Borders and national power won't be enforced in a true SHTF situation.
If you're a tranny/medfag/etc learn how to synthesize your own medicine from plants. Learn how to identify and grow them. Do testruns beforehand and send them to a lab to get tested. It will be expensive, but you need to refine your process ahead of time. Learn how to make air filters and sanitize metal tools safely. Know chemistry and have books/paper copies of basically anything related to engineering theory, math, medical science, construction, mining, metalworking, woodworking, gardening, hunting, gunsmithing, chemistry, electricity, and cooking (and backup copies in case of fire/theft/etc). There is literally no excuse not to do this, because paper is cheap and information in post-collapse society is invaluable. You could be the biggest white nazi or black tranny in the west and your ideological enemies will be forced to keep you alive and cooperate with you if you're the only person who knows how to make asprin and anesthetic.
Gold is nice, but skills are better. Gold can buy things, but people with invaluable skills can set their own prices.
Stock up on long lasting foods and cycle through them. Yes, this means eating shitty food now and then. Yes, this means regular visits to your backup homestead.
If you're rich then a one-two floor basement in the right spot is solid gold. Be aware of where water will go when it rains. Be aware that fungus and nasty shit will grow in the dark if you don't do this right. Be aware of the upper floors collapsing and blocking ventilation/etc. Have a second, secured way out of your basement that is collapse-proof. Your basement could be a deathtrap if you aren't prepped.
Make friends with people and don't sweat personal politics or identity politics. Getting into an optional shootout over someone because you don't like them being white/being gay/being liberal/being a republican is a great way to end up with both of you dying from gunshot wound infections. The psychopaths and terminally online will quickly weed themselves out in the first few weeks after a collapse.
If you don't have a place to bug out to and a plan to follow, you're not serious about prepping for SHTF.
>civil war/totalitarian government (far right or far left)
Flee the country.
>runaway climate change
Autistically study sea levels and plan for up to 70m rise.
>carrington event
Go to nuclear war section. Inevitable at this point since these rockets run analog, and the chaos would lead to a misunderstanding 100%
>nuclear war
https://www.survival.ark.au/Nuclear-War-Survival-Skills.pdf
Avoid windows, get as much material between you and the outside world as possible to block radiation. You have ten minutes or less. Know the area around you. Expect large fires. Expect delayed secondary attacks to last weeks, maybe MONTHS. At some point you need to get to a safe place with weeks/months of food/water. Nuclear winter may be on the table. There may be a 10 Gt weapon in russia/usa/antarctica that gets set off and poisons the world in ash. Cobalt salt bombs may exist. Be mentally ready for the possibility.
>meteor/aliens/other stellar phenomena
You're doomed. Nothing will protect you. Make your peace with god, allah, or don't.
Oh, and florida is the worst place to be when shit hits the fan. Cat. 5 hurricanes will assrape you every few years. There's a reason why nobody really lived there until recently, with the marvels of modern engineering and weather radars. If you think you can "survive" a surprise cat 5: you can't. Don't even think about it. Those things only happen by chance.
Alaska. Nobody will look inside a glacier