Best PCC?

Which one would you say is the best on the market?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      AR-15, 5.56 is a puny pistol round

      >his smile and optimism: gone

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the same that it has always been.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That guy is missing his pin

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Personal I enjoy the ones that are designed from the ground up to be PCCs and not just butchered SMHs. Personal favs are the Keltek Sub2K, the S&W FPC, and the Ruger PCC.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the lamest sub2k cope ive ever heard

      the real best PCCs are ones that are barely any bigger than a regular pistol yet double their performance.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        every gimmick you could ever want

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          are you a girl?
          cute hand

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            cuter than you, ahmed

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the b***h got jokes

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              every gimmick you could ever want

              I bet he gives great handjobs

              Pic related is my favorite PCC since .22lr is technically used in pistols too

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >22lr
                >lr
                >r
                That's like calling the AR-15 a PCC because .223 Thompson Center Contender barrels exist.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                yes, and?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Calling a Glock a battle rifle because it fires a .30 cal round

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >barely any bigger than a regular pistol
        >picrel
        Lmfao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you can take suppressors and optics off, you know.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All you did was take a normal handgun and make it more complicated with none of the rail space that comes with an actual PCC

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Optic not mounted to a moving part, stock, foregrip, it's achieved the only parts of a PCC that actually matter and made a pistol exponentially more shootable. Rail space is meaningless.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not saying your setup is bad but it's set up for a different job than the S2K, PCC, or FPC are.

            Thise carbines are a compliment to their respective CC counterparts nit trying to do both jobs at the same time

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >a different job than the S2K, PCC, or FPC are
              Those have jobs that a 300blk bufferless AR-like platform does outright better in the same size package.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not without being an SBR or a folding pistol it won't, and it still won't be as compact or cheap to shoot. Even if you get it to a similar size

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                *or cost as little out of the box to get going
                **or be pairable with a CC

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Not without being an SBR or a folding pistol it won't,
                Ok? So put a brace or SBR an MCX. That's the answer.
                >and it still won't be as compact
                It literally is.
                >or cheap to shoot.
                Excellent argument for a toy, not for something for any other use.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/fDktv34.jpg

                Cope

                >stop talking about PCCs in this PCC thread and buy a intermediate rifle instead

                ahaha

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're comparing the wrong numbers. The MCX length is with the stock DEPLOYED. It's only 16" folded. The exact fricking same as your 9mm gun. And WAY shorter in use, 23.5" vs a whopping 30.45".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're comparing the wrong numbers. The MCX length is with the stock DEPLOYED. It's only 16" folded. The exact fricking same as your 9mm gun. And WAY shorter in use, 23.5" vs a whopping 30.45".

                In case you don't believe me, look at the stockless version https://www.sigsauer.com/mcx-rattler-lt.html

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Amazing so you can either shoot it like a SoundCloud rapper trying to magdump da Draco or you can add a stock/brace to it and make it wider in another dimention. And it still costs 5x as much as my S2K out of the box, doesn't interchange mags with my cc, costs more to feed/practice with, and isn't a PCC which the whole reason I like them to begin with.

                Phenomenal work

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The one WITH the stock is also 16" with the stock collapsed. You unfold the stock and it becomes 23.5". With a stock you can shoulder.
                Your S2K is also 16" with the stock collapsed. However, to shoot it, you need too make it 29.25"-30.45". Much longer than the MCX in a shooting configuration.
                It's also way way way way the frick better at actually killing things shot with it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My point t is that it's cheap and if it gets stolen I don't really care while also being really easy to collapse and store somewhere

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cope

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Something like a Rattler is "better," but a 30 round magazine of 300blk weighs more than a 30 round mag of 9mm. I feel like the law of diminishing returns comes into play in regards to weight over performance.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Something underrated for dicking around in the woods is how fricking many 9mm stick mags you can fit in gear designed for 5.56 mags. The double pouches on my P.84 become quad pouches and Alpenflage jacket pouches can do 5. If I want to shoot something I want to stop moving I'll still take the rifle mags, but it's damn nice for carrying ammo out for a fun time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >none of the rail space

          what else do you even need on a PCC, a LAM?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mine actually has one yeah

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        every gimmick you could ever want

        am i the only one who thinks the raider is stupid as frick?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, it's a gun that wants to be a PCC and a CC at the same time with none of the benefits of either. It's cool but not worth replacing other tools that do the same thing better

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >with none of the benefits of either
            It's stocked. That makes it much better to shoot than a pistol while still being small enough to fit in a heavy jacket or a pocket on virtually any backpack or laptop bag without needing to dedicate the entire bag to it. It's 90% of the benefit of having a PCC over a pistol, having a stock, but in a form factor that's actually reasonable to have on your person nearly 100% of the time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >so big it can no longer be comfortably concealed and carried, which is the entire point of a pistol
        >yet double their performance.
        Oh do they now? Because your picrel is a regular length P320 barrel, with standard P320 mags. Unless you count the barely-there stabilizing brace as “doubled performance.”

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Unless you count the barely-there stabilizing brace as “doubled performance.”
          It's not barely-there and it's EASILY double the performance or more. Having a shoulder point of contact and a foregrip is a huge benefit to making hits. Virtually all of the benefit of a PCC is in how much easier it is to hit shit with it than a handgun, barrel length means nothing outside of a spreadsheet with typical autoloader pistol calibers. And a Flux is still small enough to throw in a secondary pocket of virtually any backpack, laptop bag, briefcase, etc without taking up the bulk of it making it difficult to carry other shit and without needing a "there's obviously a gun in there" looking bag. You can easily have your concealed carry on you and something with wildly better usability in a bag that you take to work every day.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I really like this. Has a collapsible "brace/stock". Is otherwise a pistol but allows you to shoulder and space out your hands.

        You don't need longer than a full sized pistol barrel, you need the improved economics for accuracy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You do need a longer barrel. Handgun barrels don't bring the bullet up to a sufficient velocity. Temporary wound channels are not effective. It's all about that permanent, hydrostatic wound channel damage coming from a long barrel.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Kinda want one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You look like a homosexual. Stop posting yourself on 4chuns.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like the paint job, anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks man 🙂

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Idk I thought it was funny

        https://i.imgur.com/ellg8pN.jpg

        Why are you the murder grandpa from Ajin?

        That guy fricks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you the murder grandpa from Ajin?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You look like linkara you fricking dork. I have no idea why that style possesses overweight people, they look so goofy in it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Is 190 6'1" overweight? Damn

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          t. Jabba

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Literally me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like the sub2k alot but that vest and hat suck so hard.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >riser

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Saiga-9s are somehow the best shooting and most accurate blowback pccs I’ve handled if you can get past ak ergos and being forced to Iraqi reload due to having to hold the bolt open to insert a full mag. Mp5s are overrated. Mp9s and fluxes are just stocked pistols, probably the most practical semi auto config of pccs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. I have a KP-9 and prefer it to my fullsize POF MP5. A lot of the Paki MP5s come from the factory with out of spec trilug mounts as well.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Beretta Cx4

    Good enough to take out cylons, good enough for you

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    None. There's a reason why they call them PCC instead of "Semi auto SMG" (hint: because it's a fricking moronic idea)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're fun and 9mm is cheaper than 5.56

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they call them PCC because gun people are afraid of saying words like SMG, machine gun or assault rifle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's not SMG if it doesn't have burst or full auto. 99% don't have it so what the frick are you on about?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      9mm inside of 25 yards, aka most defensive and leo shootings is lethal with proper shot placement like 5.56. It's also got way less blast at the muzzle, especially when you're using short barrels. For urban leo and home defense work it's better suited to the job vs a longer 5.56 carbine that'll deafen who ever has to use it without ear pro.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is lethal with proper shot placement like 5.56

        anon 5.56 (especially HP or BSP) is basically 1-shot lethal to any part of the torso unless your target is rail thin.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn’t say better suited than 5.56, but much better than a handgun
        >long gun accuracy
        >can approach .357 mag power levels with some ammo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think that you have to be willfully moronic in this day and age to not understand why a PCC would be appealing. Like, what isn't registering with you? The cheaper ammo? The low recoil? The inherent suppressor optimization element? The reduced muzzle blast? The compact form factor? Enlighten me, I beg you.

      • 1 month ago
        MilSurpDude

        They're poor and can't afford anything beyond what they deem "practical."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The low recoil?
        It's usually the exact opposite since most of them are straight blowback which sucks ass so much that a 5.56 AR with over double the muzzle energy has lower recoil. If you actually get one of the few that DOES have a real thought out operating mechanism, then sure.

        • 1 month ago
          MilSurpDude

          Wait do people actually buy direct blowback?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            WAY too many. A friend of mine has a Scorpion Evo, it's like twice the size and weight of my TP9 (

            https://i.imgur.com/WIWuZ6t.jpg

            B&T TP9. Not because it's particularly great, it's actually kind of a mess. But because it's actually significantly smaller than the smallest physically possible rifle caliber gun. If your subgun is within a couple inches of a bufferless 5.56 or 300blk gun like a SCAR 15p or MCX, it's a failed concept from the beginning. And it's also not straight blowback, so it's still more pleasant to shoot than most rifle sized PCCs that entirely neglect to have any delay mechanism at all.

            ) and still laughably worse to shoot because they never even bothered making a real operating mechanism for it. Those Evo pieces of shit and blowback AR9s (like, most AR9s that aren't Sig's piston MPXs or CMMGs radial delay shit) are fricking everywhere.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              theres no point nowadays when you can get knockoff MP5s and stribogs for under 1k, or a B&T for around 1100. the buffered blowback on the GHM9 is fantastic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It truly boggles the mind that people buy them anyway. Maybe they simply don't realize how much of a difference blowback vs doing anything to make blowback suck less makes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                its the "i don't have the mental fortitude to save up a thousand dollars so i will just buy this 300 dollar thing" crowd.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Market it pretty solid right now in terms of price ranges and performance options. Only sad part is the cx4 still not getting a new version, or maybe just not yet I still don't know.

                Stribog is kinda shit honestly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i doubt they will make a new CX4 when they just released the PMX

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Cx4 is kill last I heard.

                I really hope it isn't because i like the fact it uses beretta mags. I still want one and probably will end up just buying used then and get rid of some stuff for it. I just like pcc that are somewhat easy to store in rifle barrel length.

              • 1 month ago
                MilSurpDude

                Cx4 is kill last I heard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This. You can't go wrong with the bog, easily the best PCC for the money.

            • 1 month ago
              MilSurpDude

              I had an EVO *very* briefly before offloading it. I guess it made more sense back then the PCC scene was only just starting to take off and options were very limited compared to today.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I still have mine along with my ap5k, tp9, and ps90, sometimes just the cheap lightweight pcc with fairly cheap mags is all you need

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah they do, and it's moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            companies keep making them because people keep buying them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I like mine, it’s fun. It would be funny to put an obnoxious red dot / night vision scope on it, a silencer, and a 100 round double drum Glock mag…

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Does anyone here own a B&T APC9? Do you like it? Is it worth it? Kinda playing around with the idea of getting one

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I have the APC9k

          https://i.imgur.com/0P8yeAO.jpg

          I consider my APC9k and POF mp5 relatively equal. One is more compact while the other has a bit more recoil and modern controls

          And I love it. No experience with the normal sized but if they are at all similar, which they are, it's a solid fricking gun.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's so weird to me that the 9" version is some limited exclusive run of the APC9. I get that it's supposed to be a compact weapon but 9" barrels for 9mm are peak

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're correct only for the PCCs that are legally pistols. For the longer PCCs that are long enough to be considered a rifle it is a rifle in pistol caliber. .22LR is useful as both a pistol or a rifle and this is true for basically any pistol caliber.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MPA Defender, no contest
    It's 500 bucks for the base pistol, and you can add rails and a stock and have a fantastic little carbine for like $800, $1000 with the SBR stamp

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    B&T TP9. Not because it's particularly great, it's actually kind of a mess. But because it's actually significantly smaller than the smallest physically possible rifle caliber gun. If your subgun is within a couple inches of a bufferless 5.56 or 300blk gun like a SCAR 15p or MCX, it's a failed concept from the beginning. And it's also not straight blowback, so it's still more pleasant to shoot than most rifle sized PCCs that entirely neglect to have any delay mechanism at all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      TP/MP9 is also my personal GOAT.
      It feels totally natural and compact.
      The RBS suppressors are also an improvement. Luckily they dumped the slimmer Ø45mm RBS for the TP/MP9. But I think B&T USA never started building these.
      In case the pictured TP9 is yours: Do you only have one 1.5mm thick leave spring on the locking nut or two 1mm?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Luckily they dumped the slimmer Ø45mm RBS for the TP/MP9. But I think B&T USA never started building these.
        I know B&T us is making a shorter can for it now. Still too long to reasonably conceal with the can on either way, though, so I'm happy with better performance out of the massive can.

        >Do you only have one 1.5mm thick leave spring on the locking nut or two 1mm?
        Just the one

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Just the one
          Here in Switzerland they use two springs.
          Rotex-X nut, Rotex-IIA, Rotex-SF and RQD all have to 1mm springs.
          Some Rotex-X nuts where pre-asembled for B&T USA and they also have two springs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting that they handle it differently. I do like the QD a lot. The fact the can turns instead of the nut makes it a lot easier to break free than my Surefire when I want to get it off.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              it also looks like B&T USA is engraving the TP/MP9 suppressors on the other side.
              I hope the engraving is at least horizontal when the suppressor is tighten

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it all lines up well. Assuming you have the pic rail on the bottom anyway, I've seen some people put it at a 9:00 position for mounting rifle lights to it with the button in reach. I like my little X300 at the bottom position, personally.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                x300 always great choice.
                Now you got space for the brass catcher without mounting a extra rail on the other side of the top cover.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I actually have the brass catcher. Nice little add to not have to spend an eternity looking for brass in the leaves when I shoot in the woods in the fall. Not going to say that what B&T charges for it is justified, but damn it integrates well with the gun.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/WIWuZ6t.jpg

        B&T TP9. Not because it's particularly great, it's actually kind of a mess. But because it's actually significantly smaller than the smallest physically possible rifle caliber gun. If your subgun is within a couple inches of a bufferless 5.56 or 300blk gun like a SCAR 15p or MCX, it's a failed concept from the beginning. And it's also not straight blowback, so it's still more pleasant to shoot than most rifle sized PCCs that entirely neglect to have any delay mechanism at all.

        https://i.imgur.com/qDsg73H.jpg

        They're poor and can't afford anything beyond what they deem "practical."

        unobtainable to 99% of gun owners

        i doubt they will make a new CX4 when they just released the PMX

        Cx4 is kill last I heard.

        They said in the interwiew they're upgrading it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/WIWuZ6t.jpg

        B&T TP9. Not because it's particularly great, it's actually kind of a mess. But because it's actually significantly smaller than the smallest physically possible rifle caliber gun. If your subgun is within a couple inches of a bufferless 5.56 or 300blk gun like a SCAR 15p or MCX, it's a failed concept from the beginning. And it's also not straight blowback, so it's still more pleasant to shoot than most rifle sized PCCs that entirely neglect to have any delay mechanism at all.

        is this another overpriced (semi-auto) direct blowback garbo gun that cost $2k 🙂 ?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >TP9
          >direct blowback

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >direct blowback
          It is not. It uses a radial delay system. Somewhat like CMMG, but the barrel rotates inside the telescopic bolt instead of the bolt rotating. The result of which is that it shoots much smoother than most subguns that are double its size and weight. It's kind of funny shooting it next to something like an AR9 or Scorpion and this tiny thing feeling so much better just because having a delay mechanism matters THAT much.

          https://i.imgur.com/jdMrLwu.png

          *ahem*

          My B&T vendor has this but suppressor compatible on order for me.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PCC's are memes. I love them so much.
    My favorites are
    Ump 9
    Mp5
    Kriss vector
    Cz scorpion.
    PCC have a 10/10 cool factor, and a 3/10 usefully factor.

    • 1 month ago
      MilSurpDude

      I tried to like the KRISS but god damn it takes the whole being a meme thing into the stratosphere. You just can't get over the whole point behind its design (which itself is gimmicky) not being present without FA.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i got the 10mm one and never evern got around to shooting it. the fricking recoil spring was so heavy i was actually worried the handle would snap off.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hi-point 995 TS in 45 acp with the bullpup conversion kit.

    Obviously

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I put together an AR9 using the CMMG RDB bolt+barrel and the Mean Arms Endomag conversions. Runs and sounds great suppressed with just an H3 buffer and flatwire spring in, I like using the same controls as my 11.5" 5.56 gun in a gun that's much cheaper to shoot, and far quieter to boot. Using moron bands on the mags for now to differentiate at a glance, it's pretty obvious once you pick the mag up though since you only see a 9mm length cartridge in the mag so I may get rid of those.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      while i wont shit on AR-9s, i do feel like PCCs absolutely benefit from magwell grip desgins. you're basically getting two inches of free length reduction.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The only gun I've enjoyed using a magwell grip on is my little brother's 10mm Kriss Vector, though in all other respects that gun is an abomination that should not exist outside of full-auto applications. I'm 6'4" and it just feels insanely uncomfortable to keep my support arm that close.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the UMP because I like to call it the oomp.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shame its limited to only 10 rounds

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Which ones come in 10mm? Literally the only pistol round I'm interested in for anything that isn't a conceal carry piece or range/competition gun.

    Can now get 1000ft/lb 10mm loads. Which PCC can handle these?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think B&T, CMMG, and Grand Power are the only off the shelf options right now. I'm in the same boat as you. I don't want to waste money buying more overbuilt 9mm carbines that feel like putting a 4-banger into a Corvette. If I'm stepping up to something that size with force multipliers, then I want something that can really benefit from the increased barrel length and range.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >f I'm stepping up to something that size
        Yeah that's what it comes down to basically. I've got 18 round mags of Hornady XTPs in my polymer 9mm - I'm really not gaining anything with a PCC unless I can really benefit from greater recol control, energy, and mag size. On the other hand, 10mm out of a 10-16" barrel with a mag larger than the 8 rounds I get in a 1911 is ABSOLUTELY giving something. We're talking like 1200+ft/lbs, which is nearing 5.56 energy with a projectile that'll provide excellent terminal performance against unarmlred targets. Now I'm interested - it's basically 10mm or 300blackout for me if I'm gonna get an SBR.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    are or where there pcc with lockable bolt to make them extra quiet suppressed?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    300 blackout is practical. Smgs look cool.
    I'd like a smaller Vector or Ruger LC. If they can chop a few more inches off that it'd probably be a buy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      .300blk has the disadvantage of not being a cheap pistol caliber.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl+f banshee
    >zero results
    Damn, you guys are moronic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you also searched "CMMG" you'd have found 3 results.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        still not enough for objectively the best pcc operating system on the market today

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          SIG's gas operated MPX is better

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's kinda goofy, but I like my UZI Pro. Was worth it a couple years back, but current price is way higher now so not so much.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd go Dissent if I wasn't poor for the practical route. Banshee is just soulless

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why are stribogs so divisive?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because no one is allowed to enjoy anything

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because the A3s sucked a fat dick in terms of reliability until the cruved mag and glock mag variants sorta unfricked them and even then you really should put some aftermarket parts in to prevent the possibility of bad bad not good malfunctions that arent practically clearable in a serious situation. Oh, and HP feed reliability is still kinda hit or miss, even the lazy ass scorpions managed that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      First version is just another direct blowback PCC and the A3 still has reliability issues in the form of entire fricking casings getting gummed up into the action and the bolt catch spring being one of the flimsiest gun parts I've ever experienced. You can fix a solid number of the issues with aftermarket parts but that's a big turnoff for many and that first year of constant user complaints really did a number on its reputation. When the 'Bog first came out it was pretty popular here, but now you hardly ever see them mentioned.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically the sub2k. Best irons. Simple Argos. Half the price. Scorpion is a close second.

    Worst is that stribog abortion. Literally made for basedchud hipster contrarians lmao.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If it doesn't have it's mag in or behind the pistol grip, I don't want it.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most recent range meet I was troubleshooting my friend's AP5 and had the change to shoot it next to EVO, Stribog A3, SIG MPX and 3d printed MacNCheese... AP5 is still the best of all 3. Recoil is softer, trigger is not the best but not bad at all. Overall best experience.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >thought about getting a PCC to change pistol shit up a bit since 9mm and .45 prices aren’t as fricked
    >mfw the prices for the rifles
    Why in gods name are they selling .45 AR’s for the price of a goddamn M1A? Why are 9mm AK’s all $1000 a piece, even the cheap PSA shit? Am I missing something here? Like I get why something like the Vector, UMP/MP5 knockoffs would be grossly overpriced, but Jesus Christ its like the only one thats not outright raping your wallet is the Hi Point shit and maybe some mystery machine AR I haven’t seen yet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Marketing is amazing isn't it?

      >with none of the benefits of either
      It's stocked. That makes it much better to shoot than a pistol while still being small enough to fit in a heavy jacket or a pocket on virtually any backpack or laptop bag without needing to dedicate the entire bag to it. It's 90% of the benefit of having a PCC over a pistol, having a stock, but in a form factor that's actually reasonable to have on your person nearly 100% of the time.

      homie you stupid as frick.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A stocked weapon is exponentially better shooting than an unstocked weapon. That's just a fact.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not saying it isn't but you are a moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      MP5s (objectively the best PCC) are the cheapest they have ever been, there is zero reason to complain.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >cheapest
        Yeah, for trash ones.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ah, so you're moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't know first hand experience is considered moronic now. If it's not HK or PTR, don't bother.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >ptr
              Anon the PTR is easily the most issue-prone option outside of the Omegas from way back when and HK is an overpriced castration-fest that plays second fiddle to Dakota Tactical. You do not know what you're talking about.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ptr 9ct has been absolutely awesome in my experience. Just replace the mags it comes with, with proper stuff and it cycles like perfection. Hands down most fun gun to shot I own, almost like a video game.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's cool I had to send mine back twice for roller bulges because it refused to play nice with my DeadAir can even after I swapped the lock piece. I'm glad you like yours but to lump PTR with HK and act like those are the only two options is laughable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The have a lifetime warranty and fix any issues that arise. Made in the US as well so it gets my recommendation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >to lump PTR with HK
                They should be lumped, as they both have the same number of pins on the trigger housing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ayyyyyy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon the PTR is easily the most issue-prone
                Funny, because everyone says nothing but good about it. I've never had any issues with mine either.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nta but you must not be looking hard, their trilugs were stupidly out of spec for a long time and their receivers have always been a bit sketch with their dimensions to the point even a3 prongs would have issues

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I did a lot of research. I also work at a gun store / range, the PTR has been the best with least amount of maintenance.
                >Were
                So PTR fixed the issue.
                I think you're just poor, trying to cope with you're shit choices.

                https://i.imgur.com/5ySN0Fl.jpg

                [...]
                Tard.

                Thanks for the worthless input.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                reaaally hope you're not the owner of

                https://i.imgur.com/6Pe0sxi.jpg

                Ptr 9ct has been absolutely awesome in my experience. Just replace the mags it comes with, with proper stuff and it cycles like perfection. Hands down most fun gun to shot I own, almost like a video game.

                and slinging that kind of shit anon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well you said HK and PTR (lmao) were the only viable picks for MP5s, which is a certifiably moronic take, so I thought it warranted pointing out.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >cheapest
              Yeah, for trash ones.

              Tard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How do you like your C96? Looking to get one myself.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mke has been perfect

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thinking about getting a 5K or 5P to go with my full size since the prices have dropped so much on them.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The k is fine but the p if you want to suppress, otherwise k. Both are just a pleasure.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          MKE MP5s are literally licensed HK spec.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anything a Turk's hands have touched is automatically garbage. The worst subhumans.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They're not japs or poos, ya silly goose

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MP5 is love.
    MP5 is life.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like B&T’s. Don’t own any, never shot any, but I’ve never heard anything bad about their guns and I dig the aesthetics and compact size. If I ever move to a free state I’m getting myself a GHM9 and SPC9.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Edit: also the tp9. Forgot to mention that. Mag in grip is just sex

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I really hate that I like the bog more than the Grasshopper.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i wish cmmg made the dissent in 10mm or 45aarp

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    JP-5

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PCC is just poor for SMG

    Semi auto on a pistol caliber is cucked

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Probably some boring ass ar or ak. I bought a stribog sp9a3 because it looked purpose built for hosting a suppressor and being sbr'd. I'm starting to think I should just brace it at this point but so far it's been a really pleasant gun to shoot

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    *ahem*

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FGC-9
    Or a long slide pistol with a custom frame that allows a forward hand position and brace.
    Or whatever you want. Honestly you can just buy a some parts and print whatever makes you happy.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure the flux raider does not exist. Havnt seen it in stock in years. Or for youtubers contractors only

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Theres no reason not to get an MP5 as your first one.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's still the MP5. Haters will disagree with this truth.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    P90. Its just neat. MP5K is a very close second.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever uses a preponderance of off the shelf AR parts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All dogshit because AR based PCCs are direct blowback which sucks ass.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >ALL DIRECT BLOWBACK PCC’s ARE DOGSHIT.
    This is objective truth.
    No you cant change my opinion, nor the truth.
    Direct blowback shillers are pushing inferior and shitty tech claiming “just as good”, just like trannies.
    >seethe, cope, and rope. Idgaf.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >trannies
      Rent free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Even the p90? ): I love my lil blowback champion

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would a 10mm PCC such as a kriss vector make for a good home defense gun that could also be used for urban SHTF scenarios?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >SHTF

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It means "shit hits the fantasy (fentanyl)"

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of PCCs, which rails should I get for my HK USC? I like the irons so I don't mind not using optics, but I do want rails for a light and forgrip. I wouldn't be opposed to using an optic if it meant I could still use irons.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    grim reaperTM Defender doesn't have top rail. but does has the silver color. Do i want a top rail on my mac clone

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >most MP5 clones have the SEF selectors instead of the Navy pictogram
    >no LRBHO
    >my autism can't handle it
    >get Scorpion instead

    Why am I like this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you know you can swap out the housings right?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Extra $400

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          so are you autistic or just broke?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's what happens when you've got a boatload of cheap and available MP5 clones to choose from and moderately rare parts and accessories that everybody wants for their clones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Enjoy having worse recoil than 5.56 out of a 9mm gun.

      >Extra $400

      Better spending another $400 than putting up with direct blowback. Better spending another $4,000 than putting up with direct blowback. Direct blowback should be an instant and complete disqualifier for anything that isn't for historical collection purposes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Direct blowback should be an instant and complete disqualifier for anything that isn't for historical collection purposes.
        absolutely not, why do you dislike simple designs that work? is the slight increase in felt recoil enough to warrant a huge jump in price? i think not, just pull it in harder noodle arms

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The M&P 5.7 proves that gas delay can be inexpensive, hopefully S&W makes a PCC with that system.

          Direct blowback is cool in open-bolt machineguns because the forward impulse cancels out the heavier recoil, but other than that it's ass.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The M&P 5.7 proves that gas delay can be inexpensive, hopefully S&W makes a PCC with that system.

          Direct blowback is cool in open-bolt machineguns because the forward impulse cancels out the heavier recoil, but other than that it's ass.

          Just remembered I had a video.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >do you dislike simple designs that work?
          It's not a design, it's the complete lack of one.
          >is the slight increase in felt recoil enough to warrant a huge jump in price?
          It's not slight, and absolutely.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Post pics when it blows up like they all do

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how's the CX4?
    It's direct blowback, but I figure since it's a beretta that's not trying to be AR9 4,781 it might be better than generic direct blowbacks.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Goto LGS
    >IL
    >Literally half of their wall is illegal to sell
    >Saw an MP5SD, or a clone

    Fack.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lots of gun shops have .22LR MP5s with and without the fake SD suppressor, just ignore them.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Completely objectively true and not even slightly biased opinion:

    >direct or minimally delayed blowback PCCs have roughly 5.56 carbine levels of recoil relegating them to range and auxiliary use, it beats a handgun though
    >significantly delayed blowback PCCs at least somewhat make up for their reduced power with lower recoil
    >should feed HPs
    >should have good aftermarket support
    its 2024 and the best PCC is still the MP5, MP5s on mars? Shit even then they're finicky about what HPs they want to feed and aftermarket is overpriced but at least it isnt going anywhere. only competition ignoring complete memeshit are the newer stribogs that seem to work decent, even then its a euro design which are STILL not being designed with reliably feeding HPs in mind. SP9A3G(S) is the only interesting alternative IMO and thats if youre a glock person

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I consider my APC9k and POF mp5 relatively equal. One is more compact while the other has a bit more recoil and modern controls

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ill admit that the hydraulic buffered B&T's and properly tuned CMMGs blur the line a little bit, although opinions seem to be very mixed on if they're slightly less shit that direct blowback or almost as good as an MP5. GHM9 would be really interesting given the price point if it weren't for the inflated OAL(borderline autistic complaint) and the fact that they and the APCs are yet more examples of modern designed euro PCCs with very little though given to reliable HP feeding. If were being real honest here though one of my major things is that i think that most of the downsides people rag on the MP5 for are not actually problems in reality
        >LRBHO
        >mags take .25 seconds longer to swap
        ok, ill worry about that after i get in an HD situation where the prospective pantry bandit or pickle tickler is still a threat after the first 30rnds, even then you can stack spares at 28rnds and just run the charging handle
        >trigger
        they're honestly mostly fine, if you can shoot them quickly and accurately its a you problem
        >HPs
        practically all decent quality MP5s will feed narrower designs out of HK mags like XTPs, golden sabers, or critical duty. most really just have problems with the 147s
        >antiquated
        you got good mounting options aplenty for an optic and a light or IR device
        >weight
        not that heavy, doesnt matter except to make it kick less

        when you think that most of the mp5s downsides are illusory it really starts changing the argument to why should i accept anything that doesnt shoot as smoothly, and i can only really think of mag compatibility or even more reliable HP feeding doing that for me

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I don't disagree. Most downsides people give to the MP5 are autistic tier or non-issues. I've never had issues with holla tips in either my APC or MP5 and I have the Pakistani POF so it's not exactly the highest quality one. Runs like a fricking machine though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          At least now we have Underwood XD and G9 that absolutely mog HPs and feed out of anything that feeds FMJ

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >break into house
            >30 rounds of Underwood XD straight into your chest
            Jesus Christ, I don't know whether this is terrifying or sexually gratifying

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      MP5 is too big in 2024. Only subguns significantly smaller than a 300blk MCX still have a place in the world.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're forgetting the important factors of the MP5 looking cool as frick and 300blk being gay.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Correct.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If the goal is a toy the MP5 is hard to beat. If the goal is to make living people into dead people it's very very very easy to beat in the same size package.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The only gun you're realistically turning living people into dead people with is your carry pistol. Everything else is just larp so you might as well have fun with it.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    sub2k gen 3
    >basically order only right now, not going to find it easily
    >retains folding mechanic of original
    >none of the drawbacks of the original, i mean none, they're all fixed
    >still takes G17 mags, still accurate, still cheap, still light and short for what it is
    >threaded barrel
    >MSRP $500

    it's cheap as frick, folds to the size of a book, G3 can take red dots without a gay cope mount and now has dual side bolt hold open. this is seriously the most practical option out there unless you want a braced pistol, which is a different story.

    for braced pistols, which seems to be the real point of the thread, i would say either a braced glock (weird but it's still a glock and runs like a glock), or any reasonably priced "pistol" that's obviously not a handgun. think scorpion evo, kriss vector (actually quite obtainable), the MP5/MP5K clones, etc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >basically order only right now, not going to find it easily
      Idk where you live but almost every LGS in my area had them ready on the shelf and there was a smorgasbord of them at the recent gun show I went to

      >none of the drawbacks of the original, i mean none, they're all fixed
      Correct but it has its own issues too. I really dislike that it doesn't come with back up irons out of the box, the folding mechanism feels finicky even compared to the gen 2, every one that I handled had an issue where the trigger guard refused to snap into place when I tried to open it, and they still use that dogshit plastic forend instead of having an illuminum one for some God forsaken reason.

      >G3 can take red dots without a gay cope mount
      I actually still dislike this because you have to mount your dot directly to that flexible plastic rail which I am a little apprehensive of. I have a LAM attached to my gen 2 rail and it shifted a huge amount since the last time I took it out. Maybe they fixed that though idk. And the M*Carbo mount which bolts directly to the frame seems to have not shifted at all yet. Also because of how the folding mechanism works on the gen 3 the optic takes up the same amount of space when in storeage as the OG M*Carbo mount does too which is something a lot of people have b***hed about for a long time.

      >now has dual side bolt hold open.
      Actually the best thing about the gen 3 so far, I do dry fire reloads a lot with my gen 2 and it seems like this might make reloading more tolerable but I want to actually try a gen 3 out doing reloads and misfire drills first and see if it's as good in person as it is on paper before I dremel one out on my gen 2.

      If I didn't already own one I'd be happy with the gen 3 but I don't think it improves enough in the ways I cafe about to justify buying a brand new one.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I really love how handy this thing is, I get to put the order in for my barrel and comp today. Also the Gemini optic from psa

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah i need to get sone kind of charging handle add-on for mine

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've been thing about the charging handle that mounts on the optic plate, I don't trust the front site post charger. I think its only held in by one screw.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah the front sight one seems sketchy

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking about getting a stribog, slapping a pdw stock on it, calling it a day. Looks kinda cool in an Ump knockoff more than mp5

    Is p90 worth it? Was thinking about that or Aug for next pick

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For 2500 it better be the best in the class. The grey Apc9 looks nice.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Calico because it has the most bullet

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      TRUE. It's also roller delayed, weirdly enough.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mp5 thread with a side order of mp9
    yay!

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How hard is it to make an MP5 more...fun?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      HK? Hard
      Clone? Not hard
      They intentionally cuck the SP5s so you can’t install real trigger packs into them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I keep hearing the HK MP5 is cucked beyond belief, is that true

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You need to change the bolt to a full auto one or mill out a groove on the semi bolt as well

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    im waiting for PSA to drop the DOE.
    i need it to go with my mug.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I got a nice PAK9 for 400 and it came with a brace that totally isnt a straight up stock doing the bare minimum to be called a brace...
    Anyways its very nice.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Should I go trilug or griffins ezlok. My cans still hostage. Reading mixed comments people saying trilugs throws off accuracy
    Shoulda gotta that dumb B&t can. wonder why its undercut though 650 msrp. Trilug systems worth 120. suspicious.

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh its the size of a 30 can. Prob stick with trilug. Exposed threads seems off

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The goal of a PCC that doesn’t have military history like the MP5 is to be comfy. So far the most comfy one is the Henry homesteader, but it isn’t quite there yet due to mediocre magazine choice and a few other odds and ends. And I’d prefer it to be in .45 so it could use 1911 mags and so I could toss some Buffalo Bore .45 through it.

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