The AT-1K raybolt is the best ATGM currently fielded
>fire and forget
>tandem warhead
>can be fired inside a building
>day/night capabilities
>3K range
>completely indigenous design
The AT-1K raybolt is the best ATGM currently fielded
>fire and forget
>tandem warhead
>can be fired inside a building
>day/night capabilities
>3K range
>completely indigenous design
>fire and forget
isnt the javelin also FnF?
>tandem warhead
even RPG-7s have tandem warheads now
>can be fired inside a building
soft-launch systems are supposed to allow this
>day/night capabilities
this applies to most thermal-sighted weapons
>3K range
this would have been impressive in the 90s, but 3-4km is average these days
>completely indigenous design
whether something is indigenous or not doesnt change its effectiveness
the only real benefit to being totally indigenous is if you need to crank out hundreds of them in a short period of time, otherwise importing them makes more sense
I haven't seen it being fielded in Ukraine. Therefore I doubt it's qualities
Akeron is unironically the most advanced ATGM available until you start going up into Spike NLOS and similarly sized offerings.
I hate most asiaticshill threads but objectively the Raybolt is the best ATGM on the market for most roles. Only the French Akeron is better but the French aren't reliable.
Explain how the raybolt is the best ATGM on the market for most roles
It's cheap and can do 90% of what Spike and Akeron can do. Akeron is objectively best but over priced. Spike is greatest by capability but Israel is ultra picky about who they back so isn't a good pick for much of the world.
Why are you comparing different classes of missiles? Might as well include brimstone, hellfire, and jagm in these conversations at this point
Raybolt can do maybe 30-50% of what Akeron and the scarier Spikes can do.
>About 40% less range
>No man-in-loop, lock-after-launch, or hand offs
>No APS countermeasures
>No fragmentation effect
It is smaller and cheaper but Spike's and especially Akeron are not so large that they should be compared to missiles like Spike NLOS or Hellfire. They are all shoulder launched missiles.
Raybolt is a good offering to cash in on the demand for Javelins right now at this moment. It's not trying to compete with the future-proofed overmatch missiles.
>no NLOS capability
>only 3k range
Into the trash it goes
It's Best Value Javelin. It's probably a really good Javelin, but it's still just a Javelin. Let not the overwhelming success against post-Soviet trashwagons confuse, the cutting edge has moved well the frick on.
No it hasn’t.
Yes it has. This shit can't do any of the shit that Akeron or top Spikes can.
Both akeron and spike are medium range non man portable missiles. Akeron can be fired from a mounted tripod but it’s not in the same class as the javelin. The man portable spikes have shorter range than the javelin
Spikes are beefy bois from being so old originally but Akeron is barely larger than Javelin, it's a huge cope. But that isn't the point at all, network integration and NLOS capability are the juice that makes 21st century warfare run. Design is going to trend heavier until these features miniaturize and start showing up on lighter missiles. Spike to Akeron suggests this is already happening. Jav and Raybolt are solid now but light on features and won't be very relevant in 10 years. The Jav replacement will probably develop very similarly to Akeron and the top model Spikes; higher range, lock-after-launch and network enabled handoffs for NLOS attacks, built in countermeasures to defeat APS, and it goes up from there into less important shit like blast-frag effect.
Just having a fire-and-forget missile with a tandem charge and a good sensor isn't worth as much anymore. APS proliferated and is now produced by multiple major exporters. People want overmatch. There's no reason to be upset about it.
spike is a family of missiles
gil-2(spike LR-2 i think) and smaller are man portable
3km range is lower than a javelin, but I guess it's fine as long as they get rid of the awful refrigerant 1m spinup issue the jav had. I suppose we'd have to see the warheads effectiveness vs current gen armour and lazer blinding defenses.
I've been concerned about the effectiveness of old US low tier tech ever since I've seen like 5 stinger videos in Ukraine where they just don't work, or get distracted by flares.
I know the US didn't upgrade to stinger Mk3 but still
USA's always been king of high tech shit, but sometimes procurement can be only focused on USA doctrine integration, they neglect the things they will poentially supply others with. Perhaps the intent was to reduce effective manpad proliferation.
What about the stingers we’ve seen work? Also I’ve seen a bunch of IGLA and piorun miss videos as well. How exactly does that translate into a discussion about javelin
Anon, there are stories about them needing two stingers per KA52 helicopter due to laser defenses, pioruns frick up due to flares instead.
That's fine, but that's ineffective realistically when future lazer defenses will be able to tack more than one, so I would say stinger as of now is ineffectual.
Stinger still making kills in 2022 is a testament to it's design, but I can't fathom why anyone would try to pretend that it's days aren't numbered. We never fricking upgraded them, of course they're not going to stay useful for much longer.
>of course they're not going to stay useful for much longer.
Why?
Same reason why Stingers were really good and the Mujahedeen slapped the Soviets with them; technology moves on. You can't expect nobody to ever make countermeasures. Yeah, the Russians are confirmed cavemen, but at very least the Chinese have copied better dazzlers than they had during the 80s and 90s.
Those capabilites came to Spike with LR/ER II, and 6th generation Spike NLOS, though the LR/ER's datalinking are probably not as comprehensive as Akeron's.
Shit meant to quote you
>Those capabilites came to Spike with LR/ER II, and 6th generation Spike NLOS
Spike NLOS is a vehicle-carried missile though, not a shoulder-fired one. Not sure if the man-portable variants do have those functions, although they shouldn't be too difficult to upgrade
>Anon, there are stories about them needing two stingers per KA52 helicopter due to laser defenses
I haven’t seen anything to back that up. Not that I don’t believe it but it’s just conjecture. ukranian forces have reported success with stingers. I’m not sure why were even talking about stingers in this Korean shill thread. They’re 40 year old missiles that the US has never used once in combat. They are basically a diplomatic tool to be given as aid and they still work
>people on /k/ dont know about Spikes
Spike-LR has a max range of 4000m
You're 4 years out of date, LR II does 5.5.
Akeron is the new name for the French MMP, right?
Reportedly it has LOAL and network capabilities, so the firer can hand off to another designator; not sure if Spike has those
It's the MMP/atgm5/akeron also known as the Missile Moyenne Portée