Best man portable ATGM in the world

The AT-1K raybolt is the best ATGM currently fielded
>fire and forget
>tandem warhead
>can be fired inside a building
>day/night capabilities
>3K range
>completely indigenous design

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >fire and forget
    isnt the javelin also FnF?
    >tandem warhead
    even RPG-7s have tandem warheads now
    >can be fired inside a building
    soft-launch systems are supposed to allow this
    >day/night capabilities
    this applies to most thermal-sighted weapons
    >3K range
    this would have been impressive in the 90s, but 3-4km is average these days
    >completely indigenous design
    whether something is indigenous or not doesnt change its effectiveness
    the only real benefit to being totally indigenous is if you need to crank out hundreds of them in a short period of time, otherwise importing them makes more sense

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't seen it being fielded in Ukraine. Therefore I doubt it's qualities

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Akeron is unironically the most advanced ATGM available until you start going up into Spike NLOS and similarly sized offerings.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate most moronshill threads but objectively the Raybolt is the best ATGM on the market for most roles. Only the French Akeron is better but the French aren't reliable.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Explain how the raybolt is the best ATGM on the market for most roles

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's cheap and can do 90% of what Spike and Akeron can do. Akeron is objectively best but over priced. Spike is greatest by capability but Israel is ultra picky about who they back so isn't a good pick for much of the world.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why are you comparing different classes of missiles? Might as well include brimstone, hellfire, and jagm in these conversations at this point

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Raybolt can do maybe 30-50% of what Akeron and the scarier Spikes can do.
          >About 40% less range
          >No man-in-loop, lock-after-launch, or hand offs
          >No APS countermeasures
          >No fragmentation effect
          It is smaller and cheaper but Spike's and especially Akeron are not so large that they should be compared to missiles like Spike NLOS or Hellfire. They are all shoulder launched missiles.

          Raybolt is a good offering to cash in on the demand for Javelins right now at this moment. It's not trying to compete with the future-proofed overmatch missiles.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >no NLOS capability
    >only 3k range
    Into the trash it goes

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's Best Value Javelin. It's probably a really good Javelin, but it's still just a Javelin. Let not the overwhelming success against post-Soviet trashwagons confuse, the cutting edge has moved well the fuck on.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No it hasn’t.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it has. This shit can't do any of the shit that Akeron or top Spikes can.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Both akeron and spike are medium range non man portable missiles. Akeron can be fired from a mounted tripod but it’s not in the same class as the javelin. The man portable spikes have shorter range than the javelin

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Spikes are beefy bois from being so old originally but Akeron is barely larger than Javelin, it's a huge cope. But that isn't the point at all, network integration and NLOS capability are the juice that makes 21st century warfare run. Design is going to trend heavier until these features miniaturize and start showing up on lighter missiles. Spike to Akeron suggests this is already happening. Jav and Raybolt are solid now but light on features and won't be very relevant in 10 years. The Jav replacement will probably develop very similarly to Akeron and the top model Spikes; higher range, lock-after-launch and network enabled handoffs for NLOS attacks, built in countermeasures to defeat APS, and it goes up from there into less important shit like blast-frag effect.

            Just having a fire-and-forget missile with a tandem charge and a good sensor isn't worth as much anymore. APS proliferated and is now produced by multiple major exporters. People want overmatch. There's no reason to be upset about it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            spike is a family of missiles
            gil-2(spike LR-2 i think) and smaller are man portable

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    3km range is lower than a javelin, but I guess it's fine as long as they get rid of the awful refrigerant 1m spinup issue the jav had. I suppose we'd have to see the warheads effectiveness vs current gen armour and lazer blinding defenses.

    I've been concerned about the effectiveness of old US low tier tech ever since I've seen like 5 stinger videos in Ukraine where they just don't work, or get distracted by flares.
    I know the US didn't upgrade to stinger Mk3 but still
    USA's always been king of high tech shit, but sometimes procurement can be only focused on USA doctrine integration, they neglect the things they will poentially supply others with. Perhaps the intent was to reduce effective manpad proliferation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What about the stingers we’ve seen work? Also I’ve seen a bunch of IGLA and piorun miss videos as well. How exactly does that translate into a discussion about javelin

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, there are stories about them needing two stingers per KA52 helicopter due to laser defenses, pioruns fuck up due to flares instead.
        That's fine, but that's ineffective realistically when future lazer defenses will be able to tack more than one, so I would say stinger as of now is ineffectual.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Stinger still making kills in 2022 is a testament to it's design, but I can't fathom why anyone would try to pretend that it's days aren't numbered. We never fucking upgraded them, of course they're not going to stay useful for much longer.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >of course they're not going to stay useful for much longer.
            Why?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Same reason why Stingers were really good and the Mujahedeen slapped the Soviets with them; technology moves on. You can't expect nobody to ever make countermeasures. Yeah, the Russians are confirmed cavemen, but at very least the Chinese have copied better dazzlers than they had during the 80s and 90s.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Those capabilites came to Spike with LR/ER II, and 6th generation Spike NLOS, though the LR/ER's datalinking are probably not as comprehensive as Akeron's.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Shit meant to quote you

                Akeron is the new name for the French MMP, right?

                Reportedly it has LOAL and network capabilities, so the firer can hand off to another designator; not sure if Spike has those

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Shit meant to quote you [...]

                >Those capabilites came to Spike with LR/ER II, and 6th generation Spike NLOS
                Spike NLOS is a vehicle-carried missile though, not a shoulder-fired one. Not sure if the man-portable variants do have those functions, although they shouldn't be too difficult to upgrade

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Anon, there are stories about them needing two stingers per KA52 helicopter due to laser defenses
          I haven’t seen anything to back that up. Not that I don’t believe it but it’s just conjecture. ukranian forces have reported success with stingers. I’m not sure why were even talking about stingers in this Korean shill thread. They’re 40 year old missiles that the US has never used once in combat. They are basically a diplomatic tool to be given as aid and they still work

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >people on PrepHole dont know about Spikes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Spike-LR has a max range of 4000m

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're 4 years out of date, LR II does 5.5.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Akeron is the new name for the French MMP, right?

    Reportedly it has LOAL and network capabilities, so the firer can hand off to another designator; not sure if Spike has those

  10. 1 month ago
    Indian Shill

    It's the MMP/atgm5/akeron also known as the Missile Moyenne Portée

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