>The legion abandoned their military vehicles, took civilians ones to blend in.
>Russians stage them as if a fight was going on.
Belgorod cope
>The legion abandoned their military vehicles, took civilians ones to blend in.
>Russians stage them as if a fight was going on.
You keep posting it and keep getting laughed at. Even a attention obsessed whore like you should realize you need to do something different.
cope
NO PANIC THINK ABOUT THE ASS!!
cope zigger
>projection and (you) chasing on a site that has no actual reward besides fueling your own mental illness and attention drained brain.
cope harder zigger I know you mad
Holy cope someones mad their government got called on their bullshit (again)
I keep giving them the benefit of the doubt but at some point I'm just going to have to accept that they really are genuine retards
they were russians, did you expect them to not be retarded?
Holy cope keep posting the same shit are you really mad hahahah
After the raid in the Belgorod People's Republic, russian volunteers (RDK) return to Ukraine. Waiting for new raids.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1661120743478906882?cxt=HHwWhMC-wfygvo0uAAAA
COPE zigger and die
dont forget thre indestructible humvees.
According to Ilya Ponomarev, the Russians staged this, not even the same Humvees used in the assault. Freedom of Russian units still active in Russia
>According to Ilya Ponomarev
>EuromaidanPR
Pathetic cope. No Bakhmut?
Yeah, we know. Bakhmut is legally Russian, just like Kherson lol
But you read anything from Russian sources you'd be eating it up right vatnik?
Mithril. As light as a feather, and as hard as dragon scales.
the Humvees in a ditch really bother me, one went forward into it and one went backwards into it, even if they were occupied and the guys inside were under fire and managed to reverse and drive forward into the ditch then get out and ditch their vehicle under such close fire they'd probably be shot and killed which means there'd be blood and bodies. The hole wasn't created by a bomb because then the vehicles would be utterly fucked so why are they in the hole in the first place.
>The hole wasn't created by a bomb
It's filled with logs, it's clearly a trench or trap. Still makes no sense.
>Still makes no sense.
I'd think something like:
>Humvees driving along at decent speed
>run over top of tunnelled-out trench/bunker/whatever (we know from the training video they are taught to tunnel deep under the side so you might think you're far enough away but actually close) or just underground structure of some sort
>shittily constructed vatnik fortifications collapse under weight of fat uparmoured humvee
>humvees gets stuck, crew bails (right hand one in particular looks to have been abandoned in a hurry)
>hours later Russian drone spots this and calls it in
>ordinance dropped on it, possibly missing and further collapsing whatever it is they are on top of
>aftermath filmed for propaganda
That'd explain why you see no blood and bodies, basically just stumbling across stuff hours after the fact. Also not sure that the video and the photo are the same place since the building doesn't quite match up and I see more vehicles in the video.
It doesn't look at all like a crater to me. Only an aerial photo would sway me so we can see the shape and potential impact. Even then, it could be a shot that missed. Those vehicles don't make sense. They're not even covered in dirt ffs.
In aerial footage you can see that its a log covered trench, my best guess is they were driving in parallel and both fell into the same ditch because you can't see shit in a hmmv and one got stuck nose first and the other got its ass stuck and both were abandoned rather than taking five seconds to pull them out for some reason. Either that or they were abandoned and then the Russians pulled them into the trench
>In aerial footage
can you post it?
typical autism
Thanks. It's strange how the whole thing collapsed and not only the part under the cars. The logs in the middle look pushed down, but doesn't look like anything was driving over them.
On the one hand, vatgroid construction. On the other, Russians are in full THERE IS NO PANIC mode so they have every incentive to fake as much shit as possible
It's just too arbitrary, the whole russian defenses are always such a mess and then at some parking lot, they dig some hole in a field just so enemy vehicles of a certain size fall into it? I call bullshit.
see
There is just too much stuff that doesn't add up. Whole thing is just too clean and looks too staged.
am i the only one that cant make sense of this blurry mess? wheres the trench they end up in?
The last pic in that post shows the vehicles partly in a hole. Pics in other posts show some sort of wooden structure in the bottom of the hole. Could be just the crater from the bomb that was dropped on them, except bomb craters on dirt ground don't normally reveal structures below. But we could be just overthinking it; the town is a slum by western standard and it could be a sewer or a paved-over garbage dump.
the last picture has nothing to do with a bombing you fucking retard
>But we could be just overthinking it
you are just a retard
Where's the slab of concrete the hummmmmmvvvvveeeessss were on? Russian missiles so powerful they evaporated 25ft wide concrete slab. Neato!
>arma3physics.jpg
More like they took the russian APCs and tanks they captured, after disabling their own vees before leaving them behind.
Also [email protected] ziggers spraypainting slogans on those vehicles after they burned.
for them to completely abandon each humvee, each riding 4, they must have captured a lot of enemy equipment, at least 4x
Depends on how many of them are good drivers, I'd guess.
if they disabled their own vehicles they're probably the ones who spray painted them too.
Why? They are Russians. They would write free Russia on it.
Someone pointed out to me that the MRAP the Russians captured was covered in a bunch of Zs with the same white paint.
Are you saying they also sprayed the Zs on?
We know they got at least one BTR-80, who knows what else
The Russians know Ukraine did this to shift public view away from Bakhmut despite the city's irrelevance so they have to spray paint the vehicles to shift the view back to that
its low tier psych effort and only Russians are dumb enough to paint over a burned vehicle
Bakhmut is worth nothing except 100,000 worthless russian casualties
Somehow Russian leadership might be just a teensy bit out of touch.
Worth or not losing a 9 month battle that half your army got rotated through is a dent in morale even if you rationally understand that the Russian victory is phyrric. Though its impact abroad has mostly been partisan, domestically it has been the most brilliant act of military remoralization since the fucking Doolittle raid
The most baffling thing to come out of this war is how many people REFUSE to believe that during war casualties happen and that every photo or video that shows them is some sort of psyop or altered in some way
It's the side effect of vatmorons lying as they breathe. It's hard to take anything they say seriously.
>but the Ghost of Kiev.... he was a good friend
>what about
whomever came up with the Ghost of Kiev is absolutely fucking based for turning Ace Combat into patriotic propaganda. Keep seething Zigger.
>"vatmorons lie"
>NoOooOOoOo DON"T BRING UP THAT TIME WE LIED!! IT WAS B-B-BASED!
Classic rational human
The Ghost of Kiev exists as a result of Russian lying
>Russia claims they destroyed the entire Ukrainian air force
>Russia keeps losing shit in to Ukrainian jets
>Therefore it must be a lone wolf ace instead of Russians just lying about having destroyed the Ukrainian air force
>Ukrainian lying is actually Russia lying
Ah yes, of course.
Everybody understands everything.
The ass is in the ass.
Not an argument.
Ah yes, whataboutism.
I know the Ghost of Kyiv is real because it's obvious he haunts some peoples' dreams.
The destroyed cars were static in the footage and the bodies are dressed in cold weather MM14 with no yellow tape.
After the Snake Island Beltbucklegate I'm simply reserving judgement until better information comes out.
Prove they didn't burn the corpse of the border guard who got domed.
Same cope Igor? even the zigger propagandists don't buy it.
Anatoly Shariy
We have very sad information about the burnt corpse. It is alleged that the video shows the corpse of a Russian soldier. Whether it is the one who was captured or the one who was killed almost immediately is unknown.
Further more. We have information that "high-precision strikes" were inflicted on standing equipment, some of which were brought to the place for the "beauty of the strike."
We cannot say the same about strikes on moving vehicles, but we need to wait for the video and photos from the places of these strikes from the RF Ministry of Defense. Will they?
And what about the list of killed saboteurs? Definitely, the authorities of the Russian Federation will not forget about it, I'm sure it's simple.
t.me/ASupersharij/19600
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It wouldn't be the first time ziggers took an unrelated body and burned it to stage something.
eyo wtf was that skull opened? So they used some body from the morgue or who was used for research or training in a hospital?
ye they grabbed some cadaver from a morgue or teaching hospital to make that pathetic false flag.
>pic
I dun ged id
They took a corpse from a morgue that already had the skull opened by saw during autopsy, shoved it inside a car, shot it with rifles and set a fire to make it look like a terrorist attack.
There's no fucking away someone's skull can be cut open with straight cuts in an explosion, and the holes are clearly gunfire rather than fragmentation.
Looks like an Iraqi traffic stop.
Hahahha get rekt within 10 min
>Look, I posted the same staged cope picture again!
if you can show me one photo of dead Free Russians or whatever the fuck they are called... sure, I will believe it
according to russian minister of defence 70 ukrainians were killed and all we got for evidence are 6 guys in the wrong uniform.
not to mention the very long list of lies by russia
source on the screenshot btw
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65696731
It's just resistance to Russian lies. They claim that they still have 16k dead meanwhile Ukrainans have no problems showing dead in the trenches oder getting killed. Like on the t road or Cyclops video.
Hell look at the Ukrainian reddits it's fucking 50% spam of person XYZ died at backmut spam
So when the Russian post some dubious stuff people are sceptical. Especially since Russia. Spam every real victory like crazy. In the end it we will see. It might be a Dongfeng EQ2050 or it might a uki Humvee or a afgan one who knows. One thing for sure you can't believe Russia's Story.
Even ziggergrams were mad at low quality propaganda kremlin did, but 4chin pajeets still reposting it.
I just don't fucking get it, if you drove them out (which they most likely did), why not just post that? It's a win, a pretty good win even if Z media lost their shit for a day. Why lie?
So, same as any other day of the war.
For some reason, we get schizos that make not just Rybar but zoka seem sane and balanced.
https://twitter.com/FluteMagician/status/1661162964261404673?
i know it looks sus but they found copies of the sims 3 there so idk man could be real
Is this the mighty ukraine counter offensive and the russian collapse?
>vehichles not moving
>no one is around
>no signs of small arms fire
So they blew up abandoned vehichles for essentially no reason. I get that Russia hasn't shown any brilliance in this war but I'm pretty sure Russians can drive trucks and humvees.
>invade Russia
>no one around
>sleep
>(don't wake up)
Yes comrade invade a country knowing you're in an active fight and sleep in your vehicle that's out in the open, truly believable. No guard duty ect.
What you think you can invade a country and then just not sleep? lol.
>No guard duty
Whoever said that? Retard.
>What you think you can invade a country and then just not sleep?
Yes. Staying awake for over 24 hours is a thing. Especially in combat. They either take shelter on a building or hidden area and sleep, or sleep after they retreat back to Ukraine.
Everyone knows you can't sleep when enemies are nearby.
So the Russians blew up their own sleeping people inside their old salvaged vehicles for the staged video? Is that what you're admitting now?
You retards should have at least put more copies of Sims 3 at the explosion site to make it funnier at least.
>The staged picture didn't work! Quick, post the staged video again!
From posting this shit over and over again can tell volume about the giga cope vatnik are having hahahah, I know losing is not fun but it is for us, fuck russia and fuck you ziggers
This Russians-faked-vehicle-destruction narrative is chimpanzee level. Bakhmut was lost. Ukraine launched a TikTok raid to grab some of the spotlight from the Bakhmut defeat, and a few Western vehicles got hit (perhaps after being abandoned for whatever reason).
More than likely they were blown up after already being abandoned yes. You'll also see that happen to Russian tanks that have been abandoned/mobility killed then abandoned with carefully cut drone footage on occasion. Basically any time a vehicle is blow up while stationary and not actively fighting and you don't get to see combat footage leading up to it you should assume it was abandoned first.
>perhaps after being abandoned for whatever reason
Got stuck, ran out of fuel, got damaged, vital component broke, tire burst and occupants didn't want to risk replacing one in the field, vehicle was on its last legs anyway and they didn't plan to bring it back e.g. planned to escape in on foot at night to avoid drones that Russia does in fact have despite memes, occupants got cut-off after dismounting and left them. All of the above are possible in war. One of the many reasons good logistics matter and again that's why Russia's vehicle losses have been so hilariously high.
My assumption was they didn't crash rather they were already abandoned and the hole is from explosives dropped on them after the fact for propaganda recordings.
>The hole wasn't created by a bomb because then the vehicles would be utterly fucked so why are they in the hole in the first place.
Might be they were on top of some sort of hollow underground bunker/structure in the first place that collapsed after the explosion. Getting stuck in the above-ground elements of that could also account for why they got abandoned in the first place. Something about the photo screams 'sinking into existing hole' more than a crater.
but anon... why were the vehicles abandoned?
Any one of the giant list of reasons I gave is possible. Just getting stuck is enough to abandon a vehicle in a combat situation particularly if the troops are decently trained and have confidence they will just get a replacement.
However it's also possible the Russians took the vehicles there, yes, but even then I'd assume they were from the same attack rather than believing Russia is competent enough to have spare western vehicles around maintained well enough to be moved to a location like this in under 24 hours. Even if they had the logistical sense to recover them from elsewhere first of all and also to prevent some other unit stealing it for their own use, which they don't.
>maintained well enough to be moved
You do understand that there's such a thing as flatbeds, right? Grabbing some old wrecks that are sitting on a nearby junkyard doesn't exactly take a lot of effort if you get lucky.
That's possible also but pretty tight to get it done in ~24 hours unless you happened to have the wrecks really close to hand (less, since you wouldn't move them in until the area was safe assuming it was actually done in a plausible location) and would require a crane as well plus take hours to set-up plus hours beforehand to organise because Russia is incompetent in general.
Lots of activity with heavy vehicles that would also churn the ground up like crazy and one fag with a smartphone at the wrong point could record you moving it and humiliate you even more than already. Or come to think of it satellites or the commercial-grade drones Ukraine has a lot of. Like I said I don't think it's impossible but the simple explanation is just blowing up abandoned shit. Though if a video pops up in the next few days of the Russians moving the stuff on flatbeds I will have to eat my words.
>>*long list of why it might have been abandoned*
>but anon... why were the vehicles abandoned?
Because if you're doing a covert raid on Russia driving around in Ameican vehicles is kind of a give away.
It's why they stole the BTR
moron you dumb cunt. They are not doing this for your fucking entertainment. They are attempting to get russia to commit troops there. To withdraw them from Ukraine so that when they launch the counter offensive russia has less reserves.
Your denial of proven facts is sub-amoeba level. The so-called "TikTok Raid" continous to advance and take ground in Belgorod and no western vehicles were hit outside of blatantly staged vatmoron propaganda shoots.
Yeah
You're retarded if you think this will have a significant impact on Russian forward deployment. Yes they'll have to start keeping reserves back home and they probably overextended to finish bakhmut.
What thay should tell you is now was a good time for a raid. Not that the raid is going to divide Russia's army when the local police should be able to handle it.
This is clearly about propaganda above all. Tears down the bakhmut victory to essentially meaningless to the average Russian, who is now thinking about whether or not they're safe in their own borders. Ukraine benefits from doubt in Russia.
Literally the only people I see looking at this within the context of Bakhmut are the people who've been obsessing over it for 9 months and then got salty over it's captured being upstaged. Literally Peskov-level seethe and myopia.
>when the local police should be able to handle it.
moron what police can stop armored humvees with belt feds and soldiers with AT? Some random Barney Fife equivalent with a makarov is going to stop them?
A couple dedicated guys with rifles could decimate a police force in the US. Dorner scared the entire LAPD by himself. Granted our cops are fat and worthless but I don’t expect much out of them in vodkaland either
Silly me, I forgot the police don't run Pentagon surplus in other countries. A swat team should be equipped. The military base there was equipped.
Dorner scared the pd with a few hit and run pot shots and they sent the whole city to burn him alive.
I’m aware of all the DOD surplus a lot of police forces have. But at the end of the day they are all shooting back with rifles or shotguns. When you meet someone with the same vehicle and equal or better arms, what do you do? Also cops are cowards it’s not like they’ll risk themselves to help others
Comparing police forces in Eastern Europe to USA is not fair. USA's police force outguns entire countries in terms of equipment. Eastern Bloc police forces likely have a few AK74U in the cellar and a few cold war helmets for SWAT purposes, honestly not much else. An armoured jeep would make them run like hell.
Oh I agree and that was my initial point I was trying to make. Someone said cops could handle them. Which is bullshit. My point was even US cops with more gear wouldn’t be able to
I take back what I said about the police. I remembered Uvalde had a pic with their armored vehicles or something and the rest clicked.
god i fucking hate knowing that little towns of 1k have sheriffs departments running around with MRAPs. First we gave them chargers, now MRAPs, when do they get their legs blown off to match the deployment benefits trifecta?
>First we gave them chargers, now MRAPs, when do they get their legs blown off to match the deployment benefits trifecta?
Kek
They brought a few tanks. Local police are not trained to deal with armored warfare. Neither was the border guard post that got blown up... by the tanks.
Did they really have tanks? How come all I hear about is the stupid humvees?
The footage was on 4chan at some point, the first assault seems to have involved 2 T-72s and 9 Humvees worth of troops. Border post got blown up, scaring almost all of the guards off, then the infantry cleared the area, shot the one guy who stood and fought, and the operation continued.
I need to find better sources. No surprise Russia isn't focusing on the tanks then. Fuck.
Because vatniks got hold of them and like to pretend that it was all of them
> Russian military analysts confirmed this information, specifying that the Russian military leadership decided to deploy the 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade to the Belgorod Oblast border area to counter current attacks and prevent future ones. This is a positive development for Ukrainians, as it relieves pressure on the fronts and decreases the number of available Russian reserves.
Retarded vatnik, we know it already worked
Dumbass it already worked
This feels like splitting hairs to me. Even if Russia staged some humvees for a photo op, we pretty much all know that Ukraine is supplying the rebels with intel, equipment and training, right?
I mean the juiciest bit of info to come out of those National Guard leaks was confirmation that that attack on Machulishchy air base was carried about by rogue SBU agents. It's the one from the 'Status of the Conflict as of Mar 1' document; check it in the archives, since I'm not gonna risk posting it.
Even though the SBU determined that their agents performed the attack per classified US intel, it was blamed on 'Belarusian partizans.' If the SBU was involved in bombing an air base, then you bet your ass they're involved in a coordinated mechanized assault from within Ukrainian territory.
Like worst case scenario Ukraine backed this incursion and Russia faked the humvees to have a 'smoking gun' of something Ukraine actually did, just to make it obvious for their room temp IQ populace. Trying to deny Ukrainian involvement in this is just bullshit political maneuvering.
This isn't some vatnik post, either. I could give less of a fuck if the AFU themselves invaded Belgorod; Russia started shit and is now getting hit. I just get frustrated by deception.
>Trying to deny Ukrainian involvement in this is just bullshit political maneuvering.
Maybe. But mostly it's just to troll the Russians
Of course. It's the same as the "rebels" in Crimea and the Donbas.
Of fucking course it's the SBU, their fingerprints are all over it including the shitposts of the "People's Republic of Bilhorod", protection of the local population in a "peacekeeping operation", and talk of a referendum. They're throwing the Russians' nonsense right back in their faces.
Dude. The Ukrainians are using the exact same words the Russkies used to deny that they had anything to do with the Little Green Men back in 2014. The sarcasm is so thick, you could cut it with a knife. The Ukies are trolling, and we're going along with it because it's funny.
I could read the Ukrainian's sarcasm, but I wasn't sure if the people responding in turn were also being sarcastic, or unable to read their sarcasm themselves and taking it literally.
After seeing so many people not understand grenades kill by fragmentation rather than blast radius, I think I can be forgiven in not being able to discern sarcasm from stupidity over text.
You are forgiven anon. People understand what this is. And you have to admit its very funny
Yeah, one of the guys rolling with the Russians is an Ukrainian SBU agent.
Ukrainians are hosting Russians inside their country and allowing them to keep weapons and military vehicles. It's a given that the SBU is always shadowing them just to be sure.
i guess i understand why you find that frustrating but im not sure you appreciate that the Russians and the Ukrainians share the same basis for their intelligence services, and all sorts of other shit. The main difference now is how superior the Ukrainians are in actually exercising their plans compared to Russia. Its like the entire thing has been turned on its head. Its a tit for tat combined with the vastly superior ability of the Ukrainians to control the conversation. Just look at the twitter OSINT shennanigans for example. Where it seems like every conversation is dominated by those shrieking retards with the doge avatars trying to denounce people for posting anything contrary to a sweeping Ukrainian victory in every engagement. Its just part of how they fight war.
The 'Z' one actually was first posted on pro-Russian telegram channels.
It was made by Russians to make it seem like Ukrainians were lying about Russian losses.
Russia seems to keep thinking that if they eventually militarily win, something just suddenly stops being a huge embarassment for them. Mauripol, Bakhmut, now this. Its ridiculous it even happened to begin with. Imagine if the mexican cartel seized control of an entire us town and the us laughed at them because they eventually had to give it up. They shouldnt have been able to even attempt it to begin with.
The history of Russia summarized in one post.
>Heh, man the subjugation by the Mongols sure was embarassing, they will never recover.
>Heh, man the conquest of Novgorod sure was embarassing, they will never recover.
>Heh, the Siberian Frontier sure was embarassing...
>Heh, the Central Asian conquests sure were-
>Heh, Sweden sure-
>Heh, WW1-
>Heh, Finl-
>Heh, WW2-
>Heh, Afghanistan sure was embarass-
>Heh, Georgia-
>Heh, but for real now. Ukraine was embarassing. They will surely NEVER recover. Please don't pay mind to the fact that they consistently won every war they fought and constantly expanded to become the largest nation on the planet
Each time they come out less human than before.
I graciously accept your surrender 🙂
My dude you presenting a retarded argument then being mocked for it is not something to be proud of, just saying
you are a worthless retard
>expanded to become the largest nation on the planet
lmao they must have really boosted the copium rations. russia may be big in size, but it is empty and irrelevant.
>they will never recover.
This is not my argument, Im just saying its a major humiliation for them, but also
>Heh, WW1-
>Heh, Finl-
>Heh, WW2-
>Heh, Afghanistan sure was embarass-
>Heh, Georgia-
What the hell, this is a TERRIBLE argument, all of these caused permanent damage and seriously lowered quality of life, economic prosperity, population growth, general safety and wellbeing, etc.
Russia's population is STILL lower than it was before world war one, and STILL lower than it was before world war two. They did in fact never recover from these
>They did in fact never recover from these
>Is singlehandedly ending NATO Imperialism
>as
>we
>speak
lmao
Didn't read 🙂 But do go off.
you are a worthless retard
>>Is singlehandedly ending NATO Imperialism
I honestly wish this was true but the exact opposite is happening. NATO is stronger than it has been in decades. If chief monke sat on his ass and did nothing nato probably would have dissolved within his lifetime
>Didn't read
You know what it says 🙂
>russia/ussr single handedly recovered from ww1 and the civil war
Is he not aware?
>ending NATO Imperialism
finland joined Nato, sweden is about to, all NATO nations are rearming.
You should have a nice day. im not even joking you are utter moronic "human" and should not be alive.
>Please don't pay mind to the fact that they consistently won every war they fought
You literally just named a bunch of wars that they lost
True, Russia's conduct in world war one was something of an embarassment.
>Please don't pay mind to the fact that they consistently won every war they fought
>Heh, WW1-
You mean the one Russia lost so badly, they collapsed into civil war and lost large parts of their empire?
>Heh, Finl-
Where they failed to conquer the country and lost millions of men over minor border regions?
>Heh, WW2-
You mean the one the Americans won for them?
>Heh, Afghanistan sure was embarass-
You mean the one they lost so badly the USSR imploded and large parts of their empire broke away?
>the largest nation
Worthless empty wasteland is worthless and empty, no matter how much of it you have.
Also, funny how you don't mention the Russo-Japanese War at all.
>russian cant keep his mouth shut and makes himself look even worse
Every time
They haven’t recovered. That’s the point. They are a massive country with tons of natural resources (even if in inhospitable areas) and a population larger than most countries. They should be a world power. Now we see that they aren’t even a regional power.
>Please don't pay mind to the fact that they consistently won every war they fought
He says after listing a lot of wars they lost.
Russia has never won a war fought with firearms without being carried by a western nation
hey retard? they still haven't recovered from WW2 in population, nor in military strength from Afghanistan
Do you understand how bad that makes the US look? Losing to a supposedly "Broken" Russia.
lol
lmao even
That's quite something, saar. Would you be so kind as to repeat that in human language?
How is the US losing? The US isn't fighting.
The US has lost Zero active duty servicemen to Russia in this war, the US has lost zero active duty military equipment in this war aside from maybe a drone or two.
So how is the US losing? What has the US lost in this war? A couple hundred Billion dollars?
In return for tens of thousands to hundred of thousands Russians dead? Russia losing the past 30 years of military equipment?
The US is winning so hard I'm actually getting tired of winning.
>BUT UKRAINE WILL LOSE!!!
No it won't, Russia's not going to be able to take over Ukraine and stick a puppet regime in like they wanted too, if they'll lucky they'll get some winter war cope concessions drawn on the map.
And also
>UKRAINE WILL LOSE
Russia could completely genocide the Ukrainian people and the US will have still won the war, because ultimately it'll mean Ukraine is so destroyed Russia won't be able to use it. Scorched Earth.
>Verification not required.
>spending about 5% of a single year's defense budget to evaporate 80% of the equipment and professional core of an ex-superpowers army
If this is losing is there anything anywhere in history which counts as winning?
>US losses
Zero
>Russian losses
Far more than zero
How is that winning?
do you understand how bad this makes the Russian Federation look?
Being an assblasted idiot on the web where anyone can look at your bullshit and laugh as Russia loses to Ukraine with nothing more than a lendlease being sent to it?
As Russia acts like the worst of Tsar Nickolas II AND Adolf Hitler in terms of leadership?
lol
lmao even
They held a public press conference today in Ukraine
Based
Putin and his oligarch friends are the traitors
And so are these men. They are carrying the flag of a dif nation while killing their own country men, terrorising some dying ass boomers and flexing it as a war against Putin. Go and wage it at Kremlin if you are really about that life, but they are not. Prob recruited from the captured Russians. Won’t take long for them to lay arms again
There is no reason to be loyal to a nation who isn't loyal to itself.
The Russian Government doesn't give a damn about the Russian people beyond what use they have to enrich themselves.
Would you trust any of those men? They are willing to dawn the flag on a nation hostile to their people (not without a reason but still) and go wreck havoc on their own civilian population. Not government that caused all that shit, but day to day boomers
they are killing traitors you retarded autist
Do you know the History of Russia? The Russian people are taught to bow to whoever the boss is no matter what kind of a backstabbing underhanded piece of shit he is.
Look at Stalin, a Georgian who backstabbed his way to the top, killed millions of Russians, and they still look to him fondly and if he came back from beyond the Grave and shot Putin in the head half the country would follow him.
>nooooo you can't engage in raids to disrupt the control of your traitor government you have to engage directly at the seat of power and surely die
Vatniks are all traitors. They fight for Putin, the king traitor.
They are killing the contemptible thugs and lickspittles of a corrupt, tyrannical regime that is the duty of any true patriotic Russian to oppose to the death. Simple as.
damn that traitor german agent lenin....
He was, look what his actions lead to
you are a worthless retard
Go die and kill your own country men for a foreign government
you are a worthless retard
Go die and kill your own country men for a foreign government
you are a worthless retard
And what did they accomplish? Right absolutely nothing.
Where as most resistance movements in Europe betrayed the occupational governments and fought against them, even if that got civilians killed.
Who were more effective, the German Resistance that accomplished nothing, or those people?
they aren't killing any civilians you retarded zigger autist only traitors
retard is suddenly quiet
That's some seriously stupid armatard-tier brainrot.
you are a retard
> These men were fighting for their country, the video shows just bunch of Ukranian mercs killing their own civilians.
there is no video of them killing civilians you retarded autist
>Who are they killing then, frontline troops in bakhmut or some garbage ass rear troops and some occasional policemen?
anyone who follows Putin's commands is a traitor
Are you Armatard/Warriortard/... or some other local board schizo?
A small group of dudes charged into Russia and made a mess of a semi-significant city/town, completely unopposed for over 24 hours, and I’m suppose to demoralized because the Russians managed to kill some of them before they went back across the border?
This narrative isn’t effective. You don’t look tough by putting a bandaid on the wound your opponent just gave you. If anything I’m left wondering how hollowed out the Russian military is when they have to tout this as a great victory.
Yeah I don't see how it's a loss either. There's a -lot- of border to cover and if they can't even deal with this fairly important location in a timely manner, what's top stop a whole series of border-raids spread far apart?
Putin is a bigger traitor than they ever could be, they are just forced to act against people the traitor uses to shield himself. What you are doing here is the essence of disingenuous behavior. Same reason why everyone is shitting your cope and attempts to flip the actual situation on the head.
Answer it:
>Are you Armatard/Warriortard/... or some other local board schizo?
You are standing out with you perverted and vicious mindset and way of arguing.
Arguments are for people who don't act and argue in bad faith, but that is exactly what you are doing. No, no one owes you anything. No, one has to explain it to you. If you can't find anyone to play your stupid game, then this is on you.
>Why would there be a video of that?
> the video shows just bunch of Ukranian mercs killing their own civilians.
you are a worthless retard
>not according to the definition.
confirming you are a retarded autist
When your countrymen are being sent to get butchered by the truckload for a few meters of land and the pride of a retarded autocrat, then you have already been betrayed.
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> the video shows just bunch of Ukranian mercs killing their own civilians.
where is the video you retarded turd?
its with the 5000 polish mercenaries responsible for the mass abandOOOMent of kherson that miraculously die by the hundred every time russia needs to feel better about its failures
>We can agree that both of these groups don’t act in the best interest of their country men, sure.
This is why no one has to respect you, this little complete overused "le both sides are le bad, full stop, no further distinction no matter how important and obvious it is" spiel reduced to such a theoretical level it's a perversion of reality. No nuances, no
Armatard, fucking have a nice day already or get to therapy.
Yes, in this context and actually taking everything into account, this is a perverted behavior of a sociopath.
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reddit spacing doesn't make you look smart you worthless autist
>What aboutism is not an argument if anything it shows how retarded your take is.
>We can agree that both of these groups don’t act in the best interest of their country men, sure.
Nice mental gymnastics.
What are you on about tard? I acknowledged where that perception might be coming from and further elaborated why I don’t subscribe to the notion that Putin is a bigger traitor then men who actively are engaging in it.
Nice argument loser
By raising those forces and sentiment from within a country not trough becoming a part of foreign military and governmental pawns. There is a difference between getting aid and becoming a foot soldier for a foreign government,
getting pissy now autist? you are not convincing anyone that fighting putin is bad you worthless retard
Where did I say that? I said that killing your own country men while being contracted by foreign military are actions of a traitor.
Realistically, unless I was praising them, I’d get the same response as I have right now from you tards. Even when I say that Putin has started and unjust war I get blamed of being a fence sitter.
All I wanted to say that these men are traitors by definition as they took up arms and shot their own fellow country men while employed by foreign military. I personally find it disgusting. Don’t like it, change the definition of word traitor.
>I said that killing your own country men
they are killing traitors you retarded autist
>while being contracted by foreign military
they aren't you retarded autist
What traitors are they killing? Once again they are employed by foreign military and execute their commands. Clear actions of a traitor in line with the definition of it. Go finish primary school u waste of space, until then ain’t talking to ur dumb ass
By definition, yes. Look what that revolution lead to anyways. Anyhow, not that revolutions are always unjustified. Not really. What I was trying to point out that these men are not revolutionaries but foreign militaries mercs based on the evidence provided in the video acting the best interest of foreign gov while actively killing their own country men
>What traitors are they killing?
putin's traitors you retarded autist
> they are employed by foreign military
they aren't you retarded autist and it doesn't matter you retard
they only killed traitors you retard
So revolution is never justified including the 1917 revolt which in conjunction with the civil war sovietized Russia?
the only ones going to kill russian civilians is the russian military and police you worthless retard
So who did they kill while taking that town? What countries citizens
Imagine being such a perverted mind, imagine calling them citizen, just because you want to paint them as evil, instead of saying soldiers of a tyrant.
>oh, you see, since Putin made sure with his tyrannical rule there can't grow any resistance like this, it automatically makes them traitors when they start it from another nation
How quaint. Nobody gives a fuck about your artificially constructed """needed"""" circumstances to make them not traitors. And no one is even considering you to be half honest if you keep jumping before Putin at every opportunity to stop any talk about what he does and how much worse it is.
So, how would you remove Putin while making sure he doesn't get replaced with the next iteration or making sure it doesn't fail, and remember no traitorous behavior allowed!
To oppose tyranny like that of the illegitimate muscovite "government" and kill its contemptible thugs and lickspittles is not treason. It is the holy patriotic duty of every truly loyal citizen. Deal with it.
>because if you are not actively killing frontline troops, who are you shooting then behind the frontline in Russia.
not civilians you worthless retard
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Is abandoning 2 Humvees in favor of a BTR-82 a good trade? Consider that the BTR was built manned and maintained by Russians
30mm cannon?
It's literally quoted in the post you are replying to, don't even pretend you aren't implying it. Fuck you are even doing it again:
>What I was saying is that both Putin and these men can be seen as traitors. One is metaphorical (ie Putin) and other one literal (Russian citizens shooting other Russian citizens).
No real further distinguishing, nothing. You even go the extra mile of making look Putin less evil despite him being responsible for far more and far worse.
You don't want to really come to a conclusion, you want to keep the situation in an artificial early stage, because everything that comes after that just shows how faulty your argument actually is.
Sorry to ruin your day and your overblown image of yourself, but your cheap attempts are not working.
It is not though, you are just too stupid to understand information that is not spoon fed to you. I clearly drew the line here, direct and premeditated actions to harm their your citizens is what makes you a traitor:
> You can’t however say that Putin took a gun and shot his own country men, took orders and training from a dif government to attack his own citizens, carries symbolism of a dif country as he does those things and uses dif country. Things that are done by traitors.
I didn’t explore Putin in depth because it was brought up as what aboutism and you can’t claim with proof that the actions he took where made with the sole intention to harm his own country men. It is a by product of bad decisions and only having yes men around. While I can see how it may be perceived as such, that on its own, however, doesn’t make him a traitor by definition. You are pulling your perception out of your ass without backing up the claims that he is a bigger traitor then people literally shooting their own country men while being a part of foreign military.
Yes, I didn’t start my argument in the best way because what caught my eye is clear indication of where the allegiance of those men is at.
How is the person enforcing Putins rule, who harms Russia and russians not a traitor? How is covering yourself in russians not a traitorous behavior?
It's a bit too convenient to call someone a traitor just because someone else uses others as a shield.
You whine about me not understanding what you tell me, so let me repeat myself: If you start this journey of making a point, but then stop at the first 2 inches, when everything is still nicely theoretical and philosophical just so you can construct some faulty artificial conclusion, then everyone knows what your actual goal was, blurring the lines, twisting a situation upside down to reach the predefined goal.
I mean, i can also say, everyone can be a traitor in someones eyes, but what does that actually help? Why even say something so vague and ambiguous.
You are trying to shame those rebels, you ignore how they have a reason to act so and that i wasn't them that created this situation that didn't allow any other real way to act.
You can write ten more posts, you still won't convince anyone of you just doing it to just say something, anything negative about the Free Russian Legion.
You didn't answer
I don't even know who Armotard but I can tell it's very likely him. You always get 1-2 autists like him on every board.
Armatard is some very autistic and obsessed vatnik who plagues this board, he really loves to make up scenarios in his head and to view things from strangely limited and artificial angels only to then endlessly parrot about them while not allowing to actually talk about the whole picture since then his little mind construct usually collapses very fast. Now go through the post-chain and look at what is happening, not saying it's the guy, but he certainly shares or borrowed some traits of him.
I fixed in a way you can understand
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>anon finds out that rebels are often armed and aided by foreign governments and becomes confused and enraged
Wait until you find out about French involvement in the American Revolution
The Ryazan apartment bombings come to mind. That's rather direct.
Is that a proven thing, though, that it was masterminded and executed by him? Cuz the difference is that it is believed to be so, just like for example 9/11 being an inside job. The men invading though clearly are holding guns and attacking their fellow country men.
>The men invading though clearly are holding guns and attacking their fellow country men.
they are attacking traitors you worthless retard
Is it proven the Free Russian Legion is acting on the behalf of Ukraine? This is why you can't be taken serious, you understand the concepts and then only apply them only one sided in bad faith.
Btw you still trying to not convince anyone? Because it is working.
Found a picture that truly shows it was faked.
Why construct this artificial new rule that Putin needs to personally harm someone directly? Why the special rule for him? Is a traitor a less of a traitor because he orders those actions instead of doing them himself?
This is how stupid you are arguing, and it is even with full intention, you need to construct the whole argument in those fake constraints, because the moment the situation actually gets looked at, the predefined goal can't be reached anymore.
There are only two possibilities, you are either a fucking liar who just has a not so hidden goal, or you fucking suck at actually looking at the situation, conveying your point and are too stupid to realize it. Either way you got what you deserve.
Yes, yes, the old cope, it doesn't matter, you weren't trying to convince anyone, everyone here is just stupid and ignorant except you. Imagine actually saying something like this stupid after failing to achieve anything but looking like a disingenuous shill.
>But they are citizens of Russia. You are the one de humanising them and yet you call me evil. Amazing. You are the one who here is perverted using some kind of comic book shit language
I'm not dehumanizing them, they are soldiers of a tyrant, that is a description and topic related since it is why they are getting attacked.
The only thing you do and keep doing is vomiting out nonsense, act like it's an argument and then wait for someone else to mop it up. You are probably very convinced you won a lot of arguments by having the last word, when people just stopped replying to you after eventually realizing what a disingenuous character you are.
>When did Putin engage knowingly and willingly in actions which goals were to hurt Russian citizens?
If a literal schizo was chopping up people to do them a favor and in his mind to send them to heaven, he would not do anything wrong, right? He's just harming them unknowingly, he had no bad intentions. The victims are actually just screaming because they enjoy it so much.
>Belgorod cope
We all now is kope.
Does the FSB have a department for CG edits or do they send it to Pajeet?
Well, we know they contract out their spellchecks.