BEHOLD. The PLA's joint operations command center. The brain of the Chinese military. Look pretty good, huh?

BEHOLD

The PLA's joint operations command center. The brain of the Chinese military.

Look pretty good, huh?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LARP as fuck
    what the fucking problem with chinks, at least make comfortable places for your penpushers if you do it for shows anyway

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It has to clearly show hierarchy, what is the point of being a bugman working for the hive if you can't have the raised floor or at least the diagonal tables

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This looks like something out of a 50 vs 50 Esport Tournament if those existed

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ywn get to see MAG played at the pro level
      I HATE THIS FUCKING TIMELINE

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How the fuck are you supposed to get there?

        That game kicked ass.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          look at the other side are you stupid?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's also too packed in for someone to staff that location too.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think you're supposed to sit there. No one is sitting at any of them, kind of looks like there is some sort of drawers under neath.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God I loved that game. PlanetSide 2 on PC kind of scratches the same itch but it's nowhere near as kino.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Project Reality World tournament 50v50 would be epic

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Implessive

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, my Feng Shui tells me that it is bad.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure USSTRATCOM and similar commands have analogous rooms, though likely far less stupid looking.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been in FEMA EOCs and some of the DHS fusion centers. They look pretty similar. Lots of computers, lots of big screens. No gigantic fixed map, but there are a bunch of big meteorological consoles.

      They have a bunch of folks attached, military (USACE always has folks even at the smaller ones due to the flood control systems), DHS, Guard reps too, state guys, DOJ folks at some.

      The room of the big one I went to was very large but it didn't have huge ceilings like this because it was several floors underground. Actually had a big door you could close to seal it up. I assume this was Cold War shut, I don't see them justifying the expense today for something that is overwhelmingly used for hurricanes and tornado response.

      NCTC looks more like that actually. It's supposed to help with quick information flow but it fucking sucks to work in day to day. Plus, pooling everyone in one spot undermines the point of the ICS span of control, at least psychologically.

      Still thought it was cool back then. Civil defense is really under appreciated in the US due to our low risk of ever needing it, but when we do aid programs we should focus more of the fact that getting the power and heat back on quickly after attacks, being able to deal with mass casualty events, bring damaged infrastructure back up, etc. is essential to a war effort when you're attacked on your own soil.

      But it is underappreciated so I left for your more traditional security work. They have a bit of a brain drain and burnout problem. Burnout because you work 12 hours a day (or more) 7 days a week on deployments and accomodations can suck at first because there is little power, gas etc. Been stuck in barracks before

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      our command centers tend to be smaller. Look at NASA's modern one vs the old one. new is a few dual monitor workstations, the old one looks like a nuclear power plant switching station operating on vac tubes. the addition of modern tech cuts a bunch down in terms of staffing, and removes the need for the old fashioned giant physical map. Just project that shit on a screen bro

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    EDS command center in Plano looked way cooler 20 years ago.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It looks like it is supposed to look good, but having that many people in a space that large all talking at the same time fucking sucks.
    Head honcho is never going to talk to the chinksect on the console way the fuck in the back, so why is he in the same room?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I question the need for the giga sized physical map in the middle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like something that should just be digital in 2010+ but what do I know.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like something that should just be digital in 2010+ but what do I know.

      I think it's a topographic map that shows mountains valleys etc

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Booz Allen Hamilton had a holographic projected 3D interactive map that they were showing off to high school students visiting their headquarters back in 2009. I have to imagine that kind of shit is also possible in China. Or maybe they're too far behind in their tech tree. Who knows.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you think anyone does anything here you are retarded. those are farmers dressed up for stock footage

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if your computer setup looks like it belongs in power stations, then it sucks

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/dnBTv4b.jpg

      BEHOLD

      The PLA's joint operations command center. The brain of the Chinese military.

      Look pretty good, huh?

      Why do all of these look like they're meant for public consumption?

      I feel like a real command center would be closer to a CIC on a warship where things are more cramped, there's fewer giant screens and a lot more black backgrounds with green text every military is so fond of

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the first one is a functional mission command, the second one (OP) is obvious LARP. if it's not obvious why, I'm sorry, just look at it, it's a mess

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CICs are cramped because space is at a premium on a ship. There's no reason to build so small on land.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >printer placed next to the workstation
    Makes sense
    >4 printers placed in front of the big screen so you have to awkwardly walk to them and get your shit while someone is presenting something on it
    What the fuck why

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol what's the bigass map for?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >big ass map at such an awkward angle that it would be hard to see from the ground

      I question the need for the giga sized physical map in the middle.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >big ass map at such an awkward angle that it would be hard to see from the ground

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Please notice that the Big Bossman's plinth has visibility tape around it.

    I bet that means that he has at least once tripped on it.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Chinkety chongers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sammy Davis Jr being referenced on PrepHole, truly immortal

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why don't we just let everyone see the big screen
    >NO! YOU TURN YOUR BACK JUNIOR!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      See this looks kino.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >CAPCOM
        that's not military, that's NASA

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are the computers so big and look basic as fuck? Why can't they have decent UIs and be convenient?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why can't they have decent UIs and be convenient?
        50px+ wide padded out flat garbage helvetica does not constitute a decent UIs.
        you people are the reason modern computing sucks dick with your chud electron-based garbage.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget obnoxious letter substitutions. Bonus points if it's a final vowel before a 'R", e.g. Whipr™.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, do you know how much funding NASA (doesn't) get?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Decent uis
        Those UIs are all functional, no flashy bullshit. I know because I've programmed ones a lot like that. VERY information dense and absolutely ZERO aesthetics. Its all about information presentation and functionality.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I assume there is 10,000 gallons of gasoline under every desk and cheap wiring

  18. 4 weeks ago
    sage

    >The brain of the Chinese military
    >being aired on a news station
    >in a communist country

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they could have made it kino, but soulless bugmen have no soul and therefore no crativity

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Would the War Room work as a the main part of a command centre? The table is large enough that you'd have to shout across it, but you can solve that with microphones. I suppose it's annoying that everyone on one side has to swivel their chairs to see the Big Board, but it doesn't seem to convey much anyway unless you're currently nuking Russia and/or being nuked.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a third of the staff have their backs to the screen for no apparent reason
    >the other third have to view at an angle
    >the fucking executive conference rooms are sideways as well
    >only one guy gets the big view
    >there aren't even rooms behind him, just wall

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no apparent reason
      maybe the ones looking the other way are doing a job which doesn't depend on the information on the big screen in the front.
      and if something important happens on the big screen and they do actually need to see it, they just spin around.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if that setup does something useful like maybe minimising footprint to maximise workstations, then fine. but as it is, it's pointless; there's zero reason why the setup in OP has to be that way, as it would occupy exactly as much footprint as if they had faced the main screen. even if the job need not refer to the main screen, it restricts that workstation only to that kind of job; the workstation can not be repurposed to one that references the main screen often. WHY?!

        Look at Putin's war room

        https://i.imgur.com/EJ2bAk9.jpg

        this one?
        it's pretty functional actually

        , it's near ideal. Everyone faces the front. Maximise vertical space by stacking balconies. Use side space for service functions such as doors, NOT for conference rooms. Conference rooms line the back, so that they can view the main screen head-on.

        Yeah this basically looks like you would want it to tbh. It's uniform to the point that I question how much the workstations are actually used but I don't think there's any major fault with the layout.

        yup
        more recent photos showed that some workstations at least now have multiple monitors

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What happens on the main screen, anyway?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            number of calls waiting, average wait time, average call duration, % vatniks killed within SLA, that sort of thing

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone have the Russian one where it was like a fucking movie theater

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this one?
      it's pretty functional actually

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah this basically looks like you would want it to tbh. It's uniform to the point that I question how much the workstations are actually used but I don't think there's any major fault with the layout.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously a staged photo (nobody is doing any work except for a few of them).
        But that command center looks workable and professional compared to the LARP bugmens CC.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The layout is okay. It's a bit wasteful by using only 2-man workstations instead of long tables where you can fit 5-6 people and arrange their stations according to what they need, but it's not stupidly bad.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't mind this. Give it a non-Russian/non-corrupted budget so they can actually afford more than 1x monitor per station and some seats that don't make your back sweat 5 hours into a 12 hour watch and I would mind working there. The fact there are aisles every two stations means you can actually get out without have to scooch out and try to shuffle out behind five people every time you want to go get coffee or talk to someone at the other end of the hall BECAUSE THEY WONT MONITOR THEIR FUCKING CHAT.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >afford more than 1x monitor per station
          learn to use workspaces you midwit

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Workspaces don't help when you have shit you have to monitor at all times and your IT department is too bureaucratically slow and/or too colossally inept to make software changes that could assist in helping you actually do your job. At some point monitor 1 becomes the "place where I actually work" monitor and monitor 2 you keep an eye on from your peripheral vision if anything flashes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A lot of modern work now is basically transferring info from one system to another, and often windows are so big that multiple monitors are needed for greater efficiency

            I wouldn't mind this. Give it a non-Russian/non-corrupted budget so they can actually afford more than 1x monitor per station and some seats that don't make your back sweat 5 hours into a 12 hour watch and I would mind working there. The fact there are aisles every two stations means you can actually get out without have to scooch out and try to shuffle out behind five people every time you want to go get coffee or talk to someone at the other end of the hall BECAUSE THEY WONT MONITOR THEIR FUCKING CHAT.

            Lacks coffee, tea and biscuit stations.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like Dr. Evil's lair.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >one mirrion yuan

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Better than Russia's

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't that still just china
      Why is everybody there Chinese

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Welcome to Russia *~~

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i'd unironically expect there to be a bunch of siberian and mountain muslims, as much as militaries recruit from rural areas

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bank terminal like metal keyboards make me laugh for some reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, it's like I'm watching original series startrek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think my friend has one of these, it's got a trackball under the guy's right hand. I dunno where he got it from.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ancient public use PCs often had setups like that because the mouse is one less thing to secure, but there was a resurgence in popularity at one point - when USB peripherals became a thing
          - because of a fear of mice loaded with viruses

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those keyboards + cold weather or room temperature are the worst
        Can't type without freezing your hands of and typing with gloves is extremely hard.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this is just Victoria 2-tier charts and panels. works fine if your enemy is paradox interactive.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being the guy who has to operate that one console.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PGL Beijing Major looking lit

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How real work gets done

    ATO day foxtrot uniform

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      looks like a LAN party

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Got to tour this place while overseas
        Absolute LAN party energy

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Absolute LAN party energy
          how's it like?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, this is the real deal. It gets used so much that people leave small personal belongings at their station, Nothing is uniform, everything is individualized. And most of all:

      Count the coffee machines in the room. That's how you know it's actually being used.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The real deal indeed
        >Verification not required

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's also less crowded when there's not a international exercise being held.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Friday night, start of the LAN party weekend

        https://i.imgur.com/vliNAAZ.jpg

        >How real work gets done

        ATO day foxtrot uniform

        >Monday morning

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4 screens per person
      top left: monitoring dashboard
      top right: outlook/slack
      bottom left: PrepHole
      bottom right: active workspace

      any other setup is inferior

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        replace slack with mIRC and move it to the PrepHole fullscreen and you've got a realboy loadout

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao at the Queen watching over the printer. Maybe she's there for good luck to keep it from breaking.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        okay that is pretty funny

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        England expects that every man will check his classification markings

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Who watches the watchmen
        Her Majesty sees all

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look at these lads chilling

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Them lads are lawyers - check out the UK JAG placard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/sJSP7AU.jpg

      It's also less crowded when there's not a international exercise being held.

      The other interesting thing I'd note, with these two images demonstrating; all the desks are movable, and stuff gets rearranged as necessary and groups are formed and personnel and equipment delegated to them, rather than stations being rigidly set in their location with preset equipment (OPs pic) or moving people around a more open environment that has the concession of needing all stations being the same and having more than are needed (The Russian one)

      I would posit that the layouts reflect the doctrines of the armies that make them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You would posit correctly.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/87JUacI.jpg

      >Who watches the watchmen
      Her Majesty sees all

      Oh but anon, we know who watches the watchmen. He's been there all along.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bongs putting flags on their consoles so you know who is there
      >The Queen (RIP) watching over the printer
      BASED.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Considering every workstation has an Aeron chair this is already superior to the other examples by this fact alone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw quickly closing all of your PrepHole tabs when you hear someone walking by

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all balding men and karens
      oh no no no no

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty comfy, honestly. The command center places I've been to often have these cube type setups to them as well that help teams have their own areas, yet they're still in the same room as everyone else. Everyone personalizes their spaces, lots of flags, symbology, white boards with ideas or plans written on them, its how you know this picture is real.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh no no no no no no no.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Looks pretty good, huh?
    This statement exemplifies the Chinese mindset
    No need to think about practicality, no need to look under the hood and make sure the machine is well oiled and runs smooth
    Just as long as it
    >Looks pretty good
    Then they can blast all over their shitty media

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is hope for China

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwJ8L1fp4N1DM8gMO7rrNI7NSymKNrk2-

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought his Excellency was stabbed in the back by Pope Francis.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How can anyone work in such an environment?

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guy in bottom right is playing Kerbal Space Program. Doesn't seem like he even managed to make an orbit around Kerbin smdh.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like the bad guys command center out of a 1970's era James Bond movie.
    They're just missing the big tittied blonde in a rubberized body suit, sharks swimming in pools and James Bond himself in a white tuxedo holding his iconic Walther PPK.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    vely implessive

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do they allow fighting?

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do they have they same goddamn set up as the Russians that requires their guy at the desk to use fucking binoculars to have an idea of whats going on?

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Youz kent fught in heah, tiz is wha rum!

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE CHINKS T-THEY HAVE A BIG MAP

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love a big map

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The brain of the Chinese military.
    Looks empty. Also lol at the cuck muzzles.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NO NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO SIT BEHIND ME REEEEEEEEEEEE

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we have a similar yellow and black stripped tape over a curb at work, because some old lady stumbled over the curb and got hurt badly.

    It's absolute certain that they have placed the yellow/black tape after someone tripped pretty hard.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek, what is this. even as a photo op this looks bad

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wargames (1983) still has the best war room, real or imagined. It was the most expensive set at the time of it's construction, and made visitors to NORAD remark that the real thing was outdated and unimpressive. The movie even inspired Reagan to start taking cyber security seriously.
    I think you can see its influence in all of the photos of modern war rooms in this thread.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Neat post.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      everyone who has gone to a war command center has said its smaller than they expected. t. saw one and said it, and immediately heard someone else say that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I think you can see its influence in all of the photos of modern war rooms in this thread.

      I think NASA's mission control center had way more of an influence than this 80's movie. Any military command center was highly classified during the cold war, especially in the 60's, while NASA was completely open to the public. NASA's MCC was the only command center any writer could find for reference.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Especially in the 60s.
        bro what? Just fucking copy Korean War command centers or basically WW2 which were just upgraded offices of WW1.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >just upgraded offices of WW1
          Combat information centres were way more advanced by 1945 than mere offices. (The earliest ones were very primitive, sometimes with the radar plotting officer basically balancing his map on his knees.)

          Anyway, NASA mission control looks more impressive and less cluttered.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/12/apollo-flight-controller-101-every-console-explained/
        https://arstechnica.com/science/2012/10/going-boldly-what-it-was-like-to-be-an-apollo-flight-controller/
        Reading about how their consoles worked at the time is amazing. All those displays are actually just television being piped to their desk from projected images elsewhere in the facility being generated by a combination of physical slides and mainframe number outputs. Most of those buttons just switch the displays, though some could send commands directly to the spacecraft. They could also light up or flash if signals from the mainframe said that certain values were above or below defined limits, which would prompt the operator to switch to the display and then check which values had gotten out of limits (if I recall they were underlined or boxed by the computer so they were easier to pick out).
        >them on the CRT.

        The numbers were just that, though. No column headings, no labels, no descriptive text, no formatting, no cell outlines, no nothing—bare, unadorned columns of numbers. In order to make them more understandable, an automated mechanical system would retrieve an actual physical slide containing printed column headings and other formatting reference information from a huge bank of such slides, and place the slide over a light source and project it through a series of lenses into the video camera positioned above the CRT. The mixed image, made up of the CRT's bare columns and the slide containing the formatting, was then transmitted to the controller's console screen as a single video stream.
        And they basically changed the channel to view different data screens.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No beverages on table

    Total photo-op propaganda. Those fucking dudes would have ashtrays and drinks everywhere if they were actually doing anything. Shit looks like they rented the banquet hall of a Hilton.

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That doesn't seem like good feng shui to me

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That command center looks retarded and poorly mismanaged on space use. Also it's too fucking bright.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Meh its okay but as others have pointed out you have 1/3rd of the people who cant look at the main screen.

    If you look at those 4 middle rows, the last 2 consoles on both sides are empty.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like they cleared a school auditorium and put some cardboard desks there.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the little raised podium for the commander's single desk and the tilted map in front of him looks like they wanted to make a budget version of the Nerv command center

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Came here to post that

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There needs to be a chair in the middle that sits above the rest which rotates.

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    looks fake as fuck

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like my university student Union back before the 2013 renovation

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It looks like a Power Rangers set

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do we have GPS coordinates on that that Bug Hive?

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We all know this is NERV HQ

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Look pretty

    That's the entire purpose of Chinese culture.

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all set for glorious unification of Taiwan
    >your midget mafioso ally decides to chimp out and throw his entire army away
    Being a ching chang is suffering

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whoever is sitting at the back desk needs arms that are long as fuck.

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LOL. all of these could learn a thing or 5000 from the sportsbooks in vegas.

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did they get the idea for the design from a James Bond movie?

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why does the chinese government keep making propaganda threads here?

    nobody cares.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're actually trying to make friends, believe it or not.

      They have a weird notion of hierachy though, in that they are trying to show China is worthy to be friends with first world countries and militaries

      Not like poo shitty India though, these fuckers will sidle up and redeem everything

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