Who was in the wrong here?
>Uptain, a guide for Martin Outfitters, was cleaning an elk that he and his client Corey Chubon had shot when the bear attacked. The bear was a sow with a 1½-year-old male cub. The hunter and his guide were dressing an elk carcass and had left a canister of bear spray and a Glock 20 pistol out of reach. As the bear attacked, Chubon, unfamiliar with the operation of a Glock pistol, was unable to fire and attempted to throw it at Uptain who failed to catch it. The bear turned on Uptain. Chubon fled with injuries as the bear attacked Uptain. After staggering 50 yards (46 m) uphill from the dead elk, Uptain was killed by the mother and possibly by the cub as well. The bears were shot and killed by Wyoming Fish and Game officials.
The elk.
Chubon's parents are in the wrong for procreating with blood relatives and creating a mentally retarded child as a result.
>unfamiliar with the operation of a Glock
The only control is the trigger. This guy should be fed to bears
And this is why glockfags are so utterly insufferable.
Not a Glockfag, don't own any Glocks, don't want any Glocks; very happy with my 1911 and my .38spl. Glocks are extremely simple to use and I don't see how you could fuck it up
I've never picked a glock up in my life. I have no idea how they're supposed to work. I wouldn't have time to read the manual on it when picking someone else's up while a bear was chewing on me. One reason why I will never pick up a glock: whatever design they put on it is not intuitive. Idiotic design.
4/10 bait
>I wouldn't have time to read the manual
you don't have to read the manual because it's not printed on the side like a retard beretta
I hate Glocks as much as the next guy, but I've shot a few of them and they really couldn't be simpler. I dislike how they feel like a rickety plastic toy and have shitty triggers, but they still go bang when you pull the trigger, which is a frighteningly low bar to clear in the face of getting mauled to death by a bear.
Kek
5/10 bait
maybe he forgot to pull the pin!
hey-o!
Why would you leave your sidearm out if reach? Also, how do you fuck up using a glock? You just point and pull the trigger; it probably has the simplest manual of arms out of any handgun
Perhaps he carried on an empty chamber and the hunter was not familiar with rack and attack.
If you are that fucking incompetent with firearms, maybe you're not quite ready to go elk hunting
Or to simply live
>Why would you leave your sidearm out if reach?
This right here. The whole fucking point of a hunting sidearm is to be able to protect yourself from predators when you cannot use your rifle, for example while you're field dressing game. Why the fuck would you leave it out reach? You might as well have never brought it in the first place.
>retard can't figure out how to shoot a glock
I don't even......
No guns fag here, I would grab it and fingerfuck the trigger, then look for a button thingy to unlock the security or something and the clip might fall off if I press the wrong button.
I wouldn’t think to move the top backward, that’s stupid. Imagine if you had to rotate the guard counterclockwise first to load your sword!
Nobody is this ignorant. If you've watched movies or tv you'd at least have enough of an understanding to rack the slide, even in a panic
>If you've watched movies or tv you'd at least have enough of an understanding to rack the slide, even in a panic
>just lern to guns by watching Diehard
Glocktards, every time. Nothing you posted is intuitive ... to late. Bear's got you.
I think we can finally answer OP's retarded question:
>Who was in the wrong here?
Glock. The hunter had the gun in his hands, and the operation wasn't intuitive enough to use for someone who didn't go to Glock School. Design FAIL. Discussion is over.
How would another pistol, which necessarily has a more compex method of operation, be any easier to use? If the problem was noobie didn't know how to rack a slide that applies to any automatic.
Indeed. Glockfags got BTFO with their arguments about being specific simplicity.
Now you're just making up fantasy scenarios and blaming the victim to prop up your personal cope. We're done here.
can anyone find that article about how every week for the past 2 years, someone under the age of 3 has shot someone in the united states.
literal babies can do it
>doesn't know how to make the gun make the cool ka-click noise
Not just nouns, but nomovies as well.
People have done studies on this. It takes a noguns person about 15 seconds to figure out how to make a semi automatic pistol fire after they pick it up for the first time.
If it's a revolver, they can use it immediately.
The guide for being a complacent overconfident homosexual like so many in hunting. Probably had his pistol mounted to his pack instead of a Safariland duty holster on a low drop off his belt. Imagine taking your pistol off while hanging around a carcass for extended periods to time in bear territory.
The bow hunter for being such a useless antigun homosexual (common among bow hunters) that he doesn’t know how to use a Glock, doesn’t use his bow, and leaves a man to be mailed to death.
>mailed to death
They put a atamp on his ass& shipped him to the afterlife
>instead of a Safariland duty holster on a low drop off his belt
This seems like it would be annoying and difficult to access if the bear got you pinned (they are really good at that). Why not a chest holster? Those seem to be all the rage.
There is no perfect way to carry a pistol. If you watch enough hunting YouTube videos you will always catch someone wearing a jacket or coat over their chest holster, making it inaccessible. You change your layering a lot between hiking, glassing, and weather changes. Also unless you strap them very tight, they will droop and get in your way while hunched over something, like braking down a carcass.
>There is no perfect way to carry a pistol
For hunting there is. It's called the Kris Kringle Carry. Literally an oversized battle belt that has your gun and maybe another thing or two on it. You strap it over your coat or bibs. If you take your coat off then you take the belt off and strap it onto the next layer. Can also act as a cummerbund that can assist in dragging your harvests. This is what we cold weather cucks have been doing for decades.
How does that work with a large backpack with hip belt?
A low ride Safariland is out of the way of a hip belt, jackets, bino harness, and workspace. They do however get in the way when moving through thick brush.
But that’s just my opinion so feel free to call it fake and gay.
You just move the belt up or down depending. The straps on a backpack will be much lower than the belt in general if it's properly balanced.
>Kris Kringle Carry
fucking dying here
never heard it called that before but it makes sense
>Kris Kringle Carry
What guns would he carry though?
None. A sledgehammer is more than than adequate.
>Why not a chest holster
Not everyone goes for elk wearing full set of multicam suit and ammo vest.
Everyone. Where was the hunter's sidearm and bear spray?
Out of reach.
My point was there should be two sidearms and two cans of bear spray, while the article implies there was only one of each, presumably belonging to the guide. So, why TF wasn't the hunter packing those as well?
Why wasn't the hunter packing a rifle?
If it was bow hunting, and depending on the sate, it may be illegal to carry a rifle and a bow while bow hunting. It's one of those laws that make no sense like not being able to use a broadhead over 2 inches or only being allowed to have 2 fishing poles per person regardless of whether or not they are strung.
>bow hunting
Serves them right. Should have carried at least 16 gauge.
>The weapon used was a .22 Long
And it was shot at the point blank or not so far.
>Bears have 4" thick skulls that are slanted,
Not really. They just got small kill zone, so to say.
A fella I've seen online, who used to hunt for fur for many years, have been running many guns, but he said that the best option for bear defence is 12 gauge double shotgun. Two decent slugs and you're good to go.
>And it was shot at the point blank or not so far.
>Point blank
Only massive noguns fags think that 22lr penetrates more at two feet than it does at twenty.
The guide for not carrying his gun on his person 24/7 when in bear country.
The client for being a gigantic soichugger that doesn't know how to use the dumbo block of firearms.
The guide is(was) double retarded for not teaching the client how to use the sidearm.
If those are black bears, both of those retards are extremely stupid for not having the awareness to be watching out. Even with cubs, black bears don't just fucking run your ass down (I say this as someone who runs in to them at least half a dozen times a year). If they are grizzlies, all a 9mm is going to fucking do is piss them off. They should have been fucking strapped with bear spray...failing that, to reliably stop an adult grizzly you fucking better have a full size rifle cartridge.
It's a god damn shame they had to kill those bears.
I thought bears were frens
Bears are frens, but a momma bear with cubs is NOT to be fucked with under any circumstances because you will definitely find out.
>9mm
>9mm
A Glock 20 is a 10mm, which is fairly popular in the US for bear defense. Some like myself are skeptical of its adequacy but it is widely accepted as a suitable bear defense gun.
This board is for Americans, by the way.
Amburger, still wouldn't trust 10mm when .357/.44/etc exists
Literally me correcting missing G20
Nope I'm human and was Literally just a memorized stat
>Um ackually it deepenss on a gorzillion factors based on shit I made up to argue about
Bears are nature tanks my guy they will fuck you up. I am not preaching fuddlore or psyops here.
>still wouldn't trust 10mm when .357/.44/etc exists
I pretty much agree tbh, except for 357. I know guys want muh capacity but I think if you can handle the recoil, big bore revolvers are better suited.
Plus, I remember reading a story from several years ago about a rancher(?) from I think NM(?) who got in a tussle with a bear, actually went over a cliff. Had to shoot it several times, but he kept having to clear malfunctions because it got clogged up with matted hair and blood.
A bear is the greatest wrestler on earth, so that's how he's going to come at you, and you should be looking for something you can dump into him at point blank.
Do you understand how long 4 inches is? Go take out a ruler and look at it. You can't be an actual person with a fucking brain and think a bear skull is 4 inches thick. The tyrannosaurus, also known as the T-rex, has a 4 inch thick skull. We can just disregard everything you're saying because you can't grasp what constitutes an inch.
>till wouldn't trust 10mm
The Danish Sirius patrol in Greenland carries Glock 20's for polar bear defense and they have proven effective. I'm a huge revolver fag, but it's hard to argue with the Glock's capacity.
>Literally just a memorized stat
Either you're remembering wrong or your bullshit detector is broken for you to believe such nonsense in the first place.
Picrel is a world record grizzly skull shot in 1953 by Bella Twin. The weapon used was a .22 Long. Note: Not Long Rifle, just plain "long".
Nice group
>If that first shot misses anything vital they are fucked
In irregular terrain and heavy bush the bear's closing on you fast as fuck regardless. Get something bigger & hardcast so you have a chance in the worst case scenario for maximum penetration.
10mm is definitely a minimum for bear. The real advantage is that you can mount a weaponlight to a Glock, so you can actually use the fucking thing as you hike out before shooting light and after when you’re breaking down a carcass. You can also get repeated shots on target unlike most big bore revolvers.
>It's a god damn shame they had to kill those bears.
Yeah, although that's how it is when they eat people. The whole thing reads like a series of poor decisions in a place they shouldn't have been making any in. Both guys are at fault for creating the scenario, but I also can't blame the guys for freaking out and blanking on how to use a gun while a bear attacks. That shit would rattle most people.
Couldn't they have fled and let the bear eat the elk?
Reminder that you don't have to outrun the bear. Just have to outrun your friend.
After seeing how aggressive my tiny housecat gets when I open a can of tuna if I'm opening up a sizeable game animal in dangerous critter areas I'd want someone armed (and competent) watching my back while I did it.
What did they kill the elk with? The glock? Wtf
Bow, it sounds like.
Elk hunting opportunity is pretty competitive and expensive. Bowhunting is popular because it means more opportunity to get out and hunt one.
Bow and arrow.
>side arm
>armament is not at his side
Never underestimate just how fucking dumb some people can be
Even if the dude caught the glock, it wouldn't have been enough to kill a bear.
Bears have 4" thick skulls that are slanted, thick flesh with a big layer of fat that forms from hibernation cycles. Depending how far away the bear was before it attacked there's not nearly enough time to place enough shots with a 9mm on a whole ass bear.
My uncle (before his death) was a avid bear hunter and would go on trophy expeditions all over the states and occasionally venturing to Japan where some of the largest bears reside. The smallest handgun caliber he claimed he would trust his life on is "The smallest caliber id trust is .357 but why the fuck would I trust the bare minimum? When .44 exists"
*10mm
Didn't catch glock 20, that changes things. I'd still blame the hunter for not keeping his own bigger game backup handgun on his belt and even then im not sure if I'd trust 10mm over a hotter round like magnum loads.
My question is, how do you not understand a glocks manual of arms?? There's no safety at all unless he forgot to carry loaded.
>g20
>9mm
retard
Is this an AI post or did an actual person ask an AI and then quote the first thing that comes up? Pic related.
The thickness of a bear skill is actually about 1 inch depending on a million factors. A 9mm at close range will "easily" go through it.
>Bing
There was a guy out picking mushrooms who killed a charging grizzly with a 1911. Pretty sure a Glock 20 would do the job as well.
>Bears have 4" thick skulls
>On average, the thickness of Grizzly bear skulls is around 1″ to 1.5″.
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/
>We have found four cases where 9 mm pistols were used to defend against bears. All were successful.
Works good enough to save your life.
>https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/
>>We have found four cases where 9 mm pistols were used to defend against bears. All were successful.
>Works good enough to save your life.
This jesus lord in heaven even on /k/ the
>HECKIN BEARS YAH THEY ARE ARMOR PLATED AND BULLETS BOUNCE RIGHT OFF 'EM
retarded fuddlore will probably be around forever. Holy shit. Any normal center fire handgun is going to be fine IF YOU ACTUALLY FUCKING HAVE IT.
Exactly. If you're innawoods use a shoulder holster so that you can just have it 100% of the time in total comfort no matter what you're doing.
Its natural to still be scared of Bears tbh
Reminder that the short-faced cave bear literally delayed ancient human evolution by like 10,000 years or something. They blocked the only land bridge to North America and fucking devoured anyone who tried to pass
The updated article for when this comes up again; because it will. You beat me to the punch this time and I thank you.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/update-of-pistol-defenses-against-bears-123-cases-98-effective/
This is a great example on why you should always leave one person on look out if you are field dressing something in bear country. They could of prevented it from even happening.
> "could of"
have a nice day. Twice, just to be sure.
>whos to blame
>obviously Donald Trump
>unfamiliar with the operation of a Glock pistol
Sounds like it is something sort of reasonable with bad reporting. The guy is out with a guide, who he knows is a much more experienced shooter, and the guy Chubon may not shoot pistols at all. When he made the decision to toss the pistol to the expert (who for all we know asked to) it could have looked like there was time to do so. Then it turned out there wasn't, or the act of throwing it antagonized the bear
He reached the pistol, made a decision to give it to the expert guide was paying, rather than fuck up an antagonize the bear. It's obvious now he was better of mag dumping into the bear blind, but it's not unreasonable fear for him to think if he fucks it up they're both dead
Why did they have to kill the innocent bears?
The men for not being prepared for bears in bear country. Chubon in particular for losing his cool. The bear was just being a bear.
>shoot mother bear to wound
>kill baby in front of her, then kill her
You know, I really think we need to go back to being the scariest thing on the face of the earth.
Article I read claims that the guide did manage to use thw bear spray, but speculated he had already been fatally wounded by that point.
https://www.dailycommercial.com/story/news/state/2018/09/21/more-details-released-about-nsb-man-attacked-by-grizzly/10238521007/
All that said, the guide should have known better than to assume his client wasn't an idiot, and he should have kept his weapons within reach and been vigilant.
Not gonna make a new thread for this, but what is a good EDC choice specifically for areas with grizzlies? I'm gonna be spending a lot of time in the middle of nowhere so having something with enough STOPPIN POWA to down a bear but still be light enough to not be inconvenient to carry for miles seems like a tough compromise.
Maybe the best option is just going to be shelling out for a SBR?
Currently I only have the vanilla ice cream of guns, 9mm Glock brand Glock, which I don't feel is adequate, and a boring Palmetto AR, which I'd be fine with at the house but not as convenient to carry on my person in the woods.
G20 or G40 for capacity. Gp100 for wheelgat.
Volume of fire is better than stopping power; within reason. Having a lot of rounds on target is better than anything else in wildlife protection. It's funny seeing those people with their big revolvers. If that first shot misses anything vital they are fucked. There is no way you're getting a second shot off with any amount of accuracy.
True, and despite all the memes about bears being bulletproof or whatever simply hitting them enough times to slow them down is what really counts. I'd still prefer something a bit beefier than my 9mil, but in an actual emergency I feel like the fast follow up shots are going to be critical.
>Behold, the ultimate bear shredder
>Volume of fire is better than stopping power
>a lot of rounds on target is better than anything else
>therefore Glocks are the superior choice
>because you get at least 17 follow-up shots with a Glock
>revolvers only have six shots, maybe only 5 if it's a .454
>when revolver fags miss their first shot, it's impossible for any follow-up shots
>therefore revolvers are really only the first shot only
>all other ammo in the revolver is wasted carry weight
This how completely retarded glockhomosexuals are, and why they are so insufferable to be around. Absolute fiucking naggers, every God damned one of them.
I'm
, leave me out of that generalization.
I carry an mp5k, it fits in a chest pouch with a 20 round mag. I keep xtra mags in my belt rig.
Airsoft won't stop a bear, anon.
A hot loaded heavy hardcast with a large for caliber meplat is what I'd use as long as it proved reliable. Buffalo Bore and Lost River Ammo Company both make ammo that would work.
Phil Shomemaker stopped a Grizzly with a 9mm using 147 grain hardcast. His story is on the internet.
Don't listen to the others, there is no need to carry any weapons my friend, I never have one on me, and I spend a lot of time in grizzly territory looking for food. Just be very quiet when walking around and we probably won't even notice you. You should probably bring some extra food on your trip btw.
That’s what a grizzly bear would type on an anonymous board...
Post paw
The game wardens, the bear did literally nothing wrong.
>Unfamiliar with operation of a Glock
This is how clueless the retards who pay for guides are. I live in Alaska and the guys who come up here hunting are almost uniformly fucking retards with daddies money coming up to play real man. The guide does everything short of pulling the trigger for them then they get to brag about their big hunt.
I hate these retards and hope bear attacks become more common in the future to dissuade more people.
It's cheap entertainment
Unfortunately the bear tears up that fresh sitka gear. Big sad
The reason you do not carry a 9mm for bear protection is because if you need the sidearm, you will NOT get to pick your shots. Chances are you will NOT have time to make use of a high capacity magazine.
The survival rate from pistol wounds in humans is something crazy like 80%. Bears and other wild animals are much tougher than we are. They have fur, fat and bones stronger than ours. Bears are just nasty ass pigs.
Add to that most regular pistol bullets are designed to expand in humans and you multiply the issue.
Bear or dangerous game self defense in Africa calls for more than the fudd claim of "whatever you shoot best" or the retard level "9mm is goon nuff"
357 magnum hot loads will reach vital organs from hard angles on bear. Same for 44 magnum. As will 10mm hot loads.
There are many, many, many angles where 9mm and like rounds will never reach a vital organ in bear. Remember the FBI stopped using 9mm when one failed to reach a humans vital organs because it went through the arm first.
>Chances are you will NOT have time to make use of a high capacity magazine
This isn't the range anon you can fire more than 1 shot every 5 seconds. If you think you're better off using a 5 shot high recoil revolver with a heavy trigger pull when there is a 500 pound beast running towards you at 30 miles an hour than you do you. I would rather mag dump 20+ rounds at it.
Yes, I do think that. So does every professional hunter in Africa as well. Notice they carry doubles and bolt actions as a back up gun? That's because large animals tend to be hard to drop.
You think you will be rushed by a grizzly. Notice it. Draw a sidearm. Aquire the target, then mag dump. I truly hope you have the opportunity. Please take a 9mm dumbass you deserve it.
.416 Rigby and the Nitro express rounds can do what a magazine of 308 will not. Stop a big cat, of buff, dead in its tracks.
Same goes for bear. A 44 magnum can do in one or two shots what 15 from a 9mm will not
The fact people like you are still alive amazes me .
80 percent survival rate from pistols. How many ti.es did 50 cent get shot and live? And you are going to trust that caliber in a bear?
>And you are going to trust that caliber in a bear?
How many times did he get shot in the head or heart? You're betting your life on a single shot in an extremely high stress life or death situation in the complete wild. I hope you can make that shot anon because you wont get a second one.
I'm betting my life on a caliber known to stop charging bear often in two shots.
You are larping you will be hitting the , cns, or heart (heart shots do not stop animals anon, deer often run 50 yards after a heart or double lung shot they keep going until the oxygen is depleted from the muscles and brain)
>have five shots
>hope you can make them all land in vital spots
>in four seconds
Or
>have 20 rounds
>hope you can have some land in sensitive/vulnerable spots
>in four seconds
Combine limited shots with a fucking massive adrenaline dump of OH HOLY FUCK THIS 300 POUND PISSED OFF KILLING MACHINE IS CHARGING AT ME and you're not likely to be super accurate.
Spray and pray is your best option. That's not to say you shouldn't at least attempt to be accurate, but you're going to land more hits with 20+ rounds of whatever than you will with five rounds 44 mag.
Killing it isn't even the necessity. Hit it enough times to make it realize "fuck this, it's not worth it" and leave.
The guide is the one at fault. If you're guiding a hunter out into an area, it's your responsibility to know what you may encounter out there, including fucking grizzlies. You should especially know to keep your sidearm ON YOUR SIDE when you're doing something as vulnerable as field dressing an animal said grizzlies like to eat. That situation is made even worse by her having cubs with her. Cubs are the one thing that will set a mama bear off, and they're what I will immediately turn and leave from if I encounter one in the woods.
>tl;dr guide is a fucktard and fucked around and found out
Seen them take 12g 00 buck and keep on coming. That's 9 9mm at once anon. You aren't mag dumping shit. You may not get a shot. You may get one. Sons of bitches hop in and out of the bush then BAM they are on you. Best bet is to drill them with a man round. None of that 9mm shit made for weak wristed female soldiers.
Mag dumping is what other men do in your wife, not a viable bear defense plan.
>I dun saw'd him
>Mah uncle dun tol me
>A freeen a mine was drinkin an he says
Hey homosexual, how many people with a first and last name who have landed a hit on the body or head of a bear with ANY bullet have been killed or even maimed in the last 100 years?
It used to happen a lot. As we used to interact with a larger bear population in the wild.
What's the matter 9mm bitch wrists got you down. Fucking grizzlies don't give a wild fuck about your pansy ass. A few 9mm bullets to a raging or hungry grizzly will not stop it from absolutely devouring you like I did your mom's pussy last night. She's suck a dirty slut begging for it in the ass all the time.
Rudolf Bear entered his cabin, he shot the bear the bear killed him then died.
Kenneth Scott shot a bear went to finish it off gun jammed bear killed him. Bear died a month later
Jack Thayer shot a bear later it killed him
The Helena Montana skull found with a bullet hole in skull near human bones
John ditch was skinning a bear when it killed him.
>It used to happen a lot.
How convenient for your point that all the evidence of your point happened in unexaminable circumstances.
>A few 9mm bullets to a raging or hungry grizzly will not stop it
It has every recorded time it's been tried.
>Rudolf Bear
>Kenneth Scott
>Jack Thayer
>John ditch
Where did they hit the bear? It must have been examined, right? Show me the report.
Considering multiple death by bear reports where the bear was shot with a rifle no, no the 9mm is not sufficient.
Of course they were examined. I gave you the common knowledge incidents. There are hundreds more.
You are just a little coping fag with a 9mm.
>Of course they were examined
Show me the report.
Read them yourself. Won't matter. You won't hit shit with your plastic fantastic glock 9mm tucked into your girlfriends spandex.
>Read them yourself. Won't matter
>I don't know how burden of proof works.
ya goof, your supposed to say "i did, and it says your wrong". cite a random page number. the only way they can dispute it is...read it. its great, ill just make up something that both sides of the argument would find "improbable" and watch the fireworks fly.
You have made claims that are contrary to common knowledge. Not only that you have made boasts to how you would handle a situation that experts in their feild could not do and died due to that.
Any such insanity does not require any effort to dismis. To the contrary the burden of educating one's self falls on the pitiful shoulders of the asshat who said to face down a bear with a 9mm and mag dump it directly into the vitals and the bear will just fall over and die.
>mag dumping is what other men do in your wife
Kek
Got this one with 1rd of 5.56
He smol tho
People drop black bear with a single poorly placed shot from a 30-30. You can tree them with dogs. Grizzly are not the same beast.
We chase black bear away whipping at them with fishing poles here during trout season.
5.56 will put a hole through a quarter inch of steel you retard. It will absolutely stop a bear.
%3D
Cool story kid. Didn't stop hodgie more than once. But I'll take the word of some larping dipshit and discard my actual world military and hunting experience. Lol.
>My dad works at Nintendo, kid
Lol.
The actual statistics disagree with you, but don't let that get in the way of your feelings.
Shooting steel plates isn't like the real thing peach fuzz.
A projectile that punches through a quarter inch of steel will pulverize any bone found in north America except maybe the one you keep up your ass.
Momentum is required over energy dangerous game. To travel straight and true through thick skin or fur, fat, muscle, bone, organs, and then back out the other side one needs a high sectional density. The bullet will be long for caliber. Heavy. Round or flat nose. Solid. It will be traveling a respectable speed, but not so fast it just wants to spend all its energy immediately.
On live heavy game the 5.56/223 tends to spend all its energy in the muscle tissue. Leaves very nasty, but superficial wounding very often. You would not hunt large game such as grizzly, bison, Buffalo, oryx, and other such with it. You would not use it as a self defense or backup for big cat, or in a herd situation.
Going through plate steel is a nice trick. Traveling straight through an animal the size of a small bus is far more impressive and a trick the 223/5.56 can't pull off.
Momentum is key.
Slap some water, then just set your hand on the water and push. Bullets experience this same phenomenon. At 2400fps you are pushing the water. At 3000fps you are slapping it. Slapping=unpredictable terminal ballistics pushing=consistency.
Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about you nogunz homosexual. See
Bears need to be hunted
Is it time for a new amendment for the right to arm bears? Please join the discussion below.
>bear hunting
Also don’t trust retards w automatics
Unrelated but there was a bear in Hokkaido that was responsible for a bunch of attacks in October, its final victim who was able to take down the bear with a knife but died of his wounds. For reference Hokkaido bears have previously gone on murder sprees, another recent one being an angler who was devoured, leaving only a head and the most infamous being one that stalked and attacked villagers over the course of a week and killing mostly women and children while the men were out working. Also twice the bear was able to evade retaliatory hunting parties because of poor tactics and rifle handling by the village guards
Brown bears like to sit on the carcas of the thing they killed and ate. Often they are found by search parties just sitting on the victim. Total Chads.
Japanese news reported that October guy got fucked up but ultimately survived. Basically he jumped on the bear and started stabbing when it attacked his hiking buddies, and between all three of them attacking it in turns they managed to get away.
my b, the fatal one was in november
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20231106/p2a/00m/0na/003000c
Wyoming fish and game officials. Natyre gives, nature takes. No need to hunt mommy bear and cub.