>be South Korea. >buy subpar, utterly trash level turd from Russia because it's on fire sale

>be South Korea
>buy subpar, utterly trash level turd from Russia because it's on fire sale
>somehow turn it into a usable, state-of-the-art SAM compatible with US equipment
>sold to UAE and Saudi already, outselling the original worldwide
How did they did it?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >LIG

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How did they did it?
      Unironically Cheabols like Samsung, Hanwha dominate the Korean MIC.

      Funnily enough, LIG used to be a subsidiary of LG, also it cooperated with Almaz in developing KM-SAM when it was still part of LG.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funnily enough, LIGma balls moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who the hell is Stev Job

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How did they did it?
    SK is not a corruption ridden society like and has a functioning economy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ohnononono look at this dude

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Post your passport.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Samsung land
          >Not a corruption ridden society
          lol, lmao even

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I never said anything about how Korea performs. I just want to know where you're from.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >SK is not a corruption ridden society like
              >I never said anything about how Korea performs

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody ever said that, anyway. I only asked for your nationality so that I can confirm that you're not as brown as an Indian.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never said anything about how Korea performs. I just want to know where you're from.

                >How did they did it?
                SK is not a corruption ridden society like and has a functioning economy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Sieg

            People always forget that Koreans and Chinese people eat dogs… and think that those people have any loyalty or ethics whatsoever

            They’re just eating the most loyal companions man has ever had

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's true, south Korea is very corrupt.
            It's just that the elites figured out that stealing 1% of 100billion is better than stealing 50% of 1 billion.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              First worlder moment

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Samsung land
        >Not a corruption ridden society
        lol, lmao even

        >SK is not a corruption ridden society like
        >I never said anything about how Korea performs

        [...]
        [...]

        Hello, sirs!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no mention of feminist cults and china backed cults that got abe assassinated
      pfffffffhahhahahah

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this what listening to k-pop does to a mf?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are thirdies so butthurt about Korea?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not a corruption ridden society
      lmao
      >has a functioning economy
      keeeeek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          south korea is undergoing a population implosion worse than fricking japan which will in the long term absolutely destroy the SK economy. Turns out sacrificing long term gain for short term profits is a dogshit strategy. I can guarantee you that the moment SK starts to stagnate from the sheer lack of ANY sort of manpower all the megacorps running their country will pack up and leave the country a second world shithole on par with r*ssia.

          The work ethic pushed by the ones actually in charge of that country has irreversibly fricked SK

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Contrary to what you believe, the population shrink is a blessing in disguise, since there's now more competition for the employers to get the workforce which increases the overall wellfare. Also, South Korea is an export driven economy, which means it's less likely to be affected by the domestic economy.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >blessing in disguise
              false, the working age population will get sucked dry by the absolutely massive elder population (which increases rapidly)
              >more competition for employers
              wrong again as we've seen from the US, where there's apparently a massive worker shortage but wages are only getting weaker and weaker when measured up against inflation and ~~*other reasons*~~ for price increases
              >export driven
              which is a problem because with a smaller workforce they can't export as much anymore, further worsening their economic situation

              to be clear, I'm not advocating for sk to start importing pajeets or Black folk because frick that. I'm just saying that unless the government starts actually putting into effect real fricking emergency regulation, (shit like a complete income tax exemption if you have more than 2 kids, free shit basically thrown at you, compulsory state organized dating for individuals not in a relationship, etc...) they will inevitably end up as a failed shithole

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >working age population will get sucked dry
                >what is foreign labor?
                Also, there is this thing called automation. South Korea has one the highest industrial robot densities in the world. Robots will start replacing human laborers sooner or later.
                >as we've seen from the US
                The biggest difference is that the US has non-existent manufacturing, which really doesn't apply to SK that has a completely different industrial structure.
                >with a smaller workforce they can't export as much anymore
                See pic related.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what is foreign labor
                israeli
                >automation
                only takes you so far, a lot of jobs can't easily be automated
                >manufacturing
                can only be partially be automated, you still need thousands of people in a shipyard
                also let's not kid ourselves, robots capable of doing service jobs (mostly) unsupervised are still decades away and even once they're ready they'll be prohibitvely expensive for another 10-20 years

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >paying someone ten times the salary at home is somehow israeliteery
                Really makes you think.
                >only takes you so far, a lot of jobs can't easily be automated
                Most of the demanding repetitive tasks can be automated with ease thanks to the advancement of Cobots, which already saves the labor cost by a lot. Robots are no longer as clunky or heavy as before. They're now compact and safe enough to work together with humans.
                >prohibitively expensive
                The cheapest humanoid robot on the market at the moment(Unitree G1) starts at $16K. It's certainly an approachable price tag.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just import brown people
                frick off jude

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he's talking about using robots instead of the cynical and shortsighted replacement migration shtick various unelected wealth-hoarders in the west came up with and pushed
                automation is an alternative to the gay shit successor of "replacement migration" and its core tenants that have already been proven wrong around the king-cotton defense relating to the slavery age

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As an outside observer in a corrupt country myself it seems every single election period in SK is chock full of corruption that makes its way into the mainstream news. I can only imagine that most of the actual corruption happens under the radar.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    actually having functional radar and guidance systems plus being designed and assembled by triple digit IQ workers probably helped
    Also, the incentives of manufacturers in a functional market versus those in a potemkin society are very different and naturally have different results.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember I made a thread a while ago about reverse engineering weapons that have been brought and why more countries shouldn’t do it if they have the capabilities to do so. Practically every anon said it was impossible to do. Where’s my apology at

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except there's no reverse engineering involved in KM-SAM. Everything was done officially.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is why I'm wary of Turkey's S-400 deal with Russia for the same reason, Putin is fricking moronic if he's willing to trust Recep Erdogan or Turks in general when they're trying to build a Neo Ottoman empire more or less and barely even trying to deny it now.

      I dunno if India could ever reverse engineer any of the US's or Russia's more advanced stealth fighters but you know they'd try regardless, moral of the story is exporting your weapons is a fools errand. Yah just can't trust anyone.
      This is why we need fully FOSS military hardware so no one can steal shit because it would be free game for everyone.
      Yes I'm fricking moronic, how could you tell?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The most valuable part of a missile system is the radar and software. At this point, there's no way that the Turks had figured out how it works unless they've got a access to the source code.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >At this point, there's no way that the Turks had figured out how it works unless they've got a access to the source code
          Reverse engineering of code is possible.
          It's a pain in the ass. But possible.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Reverse engineering of code is possible.
            If you mean by decompiling, it fricks up your pipeline. It's easier to just analyze output signals since that's the way how someone reverse engineered Apple 2 source code.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By having normal economic stimulus for the defense industry, by having good engineers, by not being russia.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Sieg

    I work with different engineers trained in different countries:

    White dudes in America, design everything to be disposable. They will pot wires into epoxy in a void or from tap raw aluminum fully knowing the threads will gall or fail eventually or use roll pins in the aluminum to be force bearing. Moderate complexity for no real reason. A lever to turn a thing to move a switch

    Russian engineers like to make stuff work as efficiently, and cheaply as possible and as low tolerance as possible I tend to love the ingenuity of their designs, low complexity, low precision, designed to last and work forever without expensive replacement parts or constant adjustments.

    Asian engineers (except Indians) very high precision, tight tolerances for no reason. Everything needs a very positive engagement, finicky designs, everything is electro-mechanical despite not being needed.

    Less disposable than Americans, but still disposable as they tend to incorporate wear into their designs.

    If I’m selling you something, I want a Russian engineer to design it, if I’m buying something from you, I want a Japanese engineer to design it.

    I don’t want an American engineer touching shit, otherwise I’m going to be ripping the thing apart to replace a grommet every 4 years

    And having to remove hardware blocked by other aspects of the design with no regard to the future maintenance and/or end user experience

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me your experience with working with Indian engineers

      • 4 weeks ago
        Sieg

        I just refuse to work with them and tell my employer that it was a scam call lol

        Chances are I probably hung up on Tesla several times

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA and not really engineers but the company I work for got a new ERP system a few years back. Designed and coded by fricking Indians.
        And let me tell ya, getting anything done in that system is a bloody hassle and a half. So many fricking clicks are required to do anything. sub-menus within sub-menus and every other click opens a new tab.
        Never buy anything coded by Indians

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm in med.
        But just for the lols, I can share my experience working with Indian doctors and medical students.
        They suffer from extreme horde mentality and can absolutely not function on their own. You simply can't give 1 Indian a task no matter how small it is.
        Few outliers from high castes with demanding parents are capable of symbolic autonomy though.
        Minimal to no self-restraint. Similar to Black folk with low inhibition but only 1/100 the aggression. They can't hold back from saying yes after every sentence you make or, even worse, repeating your last word or sentence to sound smart or involved. This is extremely bad when there are more than a handful of them around you.
        Vanity. I've never seen people as vain as indians. Every single fricking one of them, at every possible opportunity, will take the slightest chance to try and sound smart or accomplished. They end up saying irrelevant or obvious shit, unwarranted, because they think "NOW, seize the moment to sound super smart, say the THING". These attempts to stand out, gain 'clout' (?), brag... Even vegans don't brag as much about being vegan than an Indian about every little irrelevant thing that they consider to be on topic.
        Hygiene. Often very minimal and peculiar as frick. They feel dirty even when they're supposedly clean. Their BO is disgusting and the products they choose to use use for grooming are fricking nauseating.
        Chattering among each other. They never fricking shut up. Even when you're making it clear they will be made an example of they only shut up for a second and then go straight back to incessantly chattering.
        Work ethic... nonexistent. The rate and quality of work is always wanting even when tasked with simple, easy, standard work. God forbid you give them something out of the ordinary or symbolically complex to do. They will bother you so much you will end up doing it yourself because the effort required to get them through it is just...
        Panic. They panic all the time.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And when I say all the time I mean it. You tell them the toilet is down the hall. They get to the 1st door and if it's not the toilet they run back in panic to tell me how the toilet isn't there. You have to be very clear which door on which side and point out there's a sign indicating that they've made it to the destination. Having them travel somewhere new, fill in a blank they haven't filled in before, perform a task they've only ever done less than 100 times you will have to deal with their panic on scale of "my wife just called me in panic saying they house is on fire and our dog is dead, on and rape squads took her sister, and plan to harvest her organs when they're done". Seriously white women panic 10x less than average Indians.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They will bother you so much you will end up doing it yourself because the effort required to get them through it is just...
          kek, not my experience but from a friend of mine who worked for a larger IT Firm
          >new Pajeet hire
          >friend explains the Pajeet what to do
          >Pajeet says yes yes
          >Friend leaves Pajeet to his own peril
          >2 hours later the Pajeet comes over and asks my Friend how to do the thing again
          >work status: 0% done
          it got so bad my friend left the company and his old boss is begging him to return.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hiring Indians is terrible.
            They can't think, only memorize.
            If the work is easy and manual and does not require much precision they can do it.
            Anything more demanding and you're better off getting literal morons to do it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This has been my experience in an eng company too lol. We have been told to use them for cost cutting because Thier rates are 3x lower. Problem is it takes them 5x longer to do anything and they do it wrong.
              Ironic how it's universal

          • 4 weeks ago
            Sieg

            >They will bother you so much you will end up doing it yourself because the effort required to get them through it is just...

            This is more of a post Covid younger generation thing

            All the governments in the world trained people to need “permission “ during the lock downs to do anything

            Stuck with the younger generation more than older, but it worked on me too

            I sometimes find myself avoiding new equipment or items because I somehow feel indont have the permission to utilize it and go wait what the frick why am I waiting for an authority figure

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the products they choose to use use for grooming are fricking nauseating
          This reminds me of the pakistani doctor I've worked with that you can smell from a mile away. It's like a college frat boy smell but x30. This guy (married) also messaged one of the aids over instagram before responding to my hospital message telling him not to drop a liter bolus in a 95 year old patient. I will never let him live either of these down.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            at university i had a Nepali (not Indian but eh in the same neighborhood) lab instructor whose breath REEKED of Tikka Massala and it was so gross, you could smell it across the classroom. He also had, as the other guy says, quite low inhibition where he would get irritated extremely easy and start interrupting and trying to put his hands on your work without permission

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russian engineers like to make stuff work as efficiently, and cheaply as possible and as low tolerance as possible

      Ahahahahahahahahahahasnort. Did you worked with them in WWII or something? This hasn't been true since Gorbachaev. Russian engineering is the least efficient, doesn't work as claimed and that's the reason they're cheap. In fact, their military tech is purposely designed to be disposable crap BECAUSE the infantry/tankmen/pilots/sailors were also disposable. Since WWI, the Russian mindset is the human wave. Equipment and men are not expected to last long enough to be repaired or treated. Go look up the service hours of a typical modern Russian jet engine vs a Western one. I'll wait.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        human waves is the old chinese doctrine, soviets used superior firepower during ww2 with insane amount of arty spam and heavy tanks

        also all soviet equipment were designed exclusively for nuclear war to rush europe as fast as possible after nuke strikes, you cant repair anything in wasteland

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well, seems like russians have made the chinese concept theirs
          just another example of the inheritors of the golden horde gravitating to whence they came

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >will gall
      Galling is the great filter for bolt turners. If it galls, it's because you suck.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If I’m selling you something, I want a Russian engineer to design it
      Why? You're gonna pay 75% of the cost for something that has 10% of the quality.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's a very large missile for that size truck

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thanks anon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its for shooting aircraft down on mars.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is it comparable to US guidance and sensortech or even French?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian missile tech is not bad the problem is electronics.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=217404
    >According to a report by the U.K.-based military intelligence firm Janes on May 20, the “Big 4” of South Korea’s defense industry -- Hanwha Aerospace, Hyundai Rotem, LIG Nex1, and Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) -- are expected to make significant strides by 2032, securing either the first or second rank in global market share for their main export items.

    >For medium-range surface-to-air missiles, LIG Nex1’s Cheongung II is forecast to take the lead with a 27.5% market share by 2032. The American RTX’s Patriot missile is expected to be the second with a 24.9% market share, followed by Russian state defense company Rostec’s S-400 at 20.6%.

    Even the Janes forecasts that South Korea will be the world leader in SAM market by 2032.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Expecting anyone to buy S-400 in 2032
      >Expecting anyone being able to sell S-400 in 2032

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, to whom do you think those orders will be diverted?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably to an air defense system that's actually proven.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            KM-SAM already has the economy of scale and production capacity due to the large orders from the UAE and Saudi Arabia. Also, it's one of the few western SAM systems that are free from Israeli components. The Koreans are so impressed with its performance that they're now planning on making a naval version in order to replace standard missiles altogether.
            https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2024/south-korean-navy-to-integrate-locally-made-ship-to-air-missile-ii-in-future-kddx-destroyers

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was it ever used in combat? Because S-400 were supposed to be state-of-the-art SAMs utterly mogging western equivalents, and now they're being blown up by cold war surplus missiles in Ukraine

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The picture makes it look like they launch a comically large missile from a comically small vehicle.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they had access to so many high-IQ engineers and Western tech….why did they need Russian junk to begin with?

    The reality is the Korean MIC is a scam, they copy shit just like the Chinese but they have access better Western tech for political reasons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The reality is the Korean MIC is a scam, they copy shit just like the Chinese but they have access better Western tech for political reasons.
      Read the OP again...
      >>sold to UAE and Saudi already, outselling the original worldwide
      They're selling weapons to tin horn dictatorships/monarchies for oil who cares? No one trust them with their more advanced tech. Also integrating Eastern and Western design's into their weapons systems isn't anything new for Worst Korea, they've been doing it for a long time, long enough to get really good at it hence why countries like Poland keep ordering batches of K9 Thunder mobile artillery guns.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If they had access to so many high-IQ engineers and Western tech….why did they need Russian junk to begin with?
      Because no matter how good your overall tech is, sometimes it costs less and saves time to just buy an already built product? Go figures! It's not like the US is purchasing FFG designs from Europe because it lacks in shipbuilding technology.
      >The reality is the Korean MIC is a scam, they copy shit just like the Chinese but they have access better Western tech for political reasons.
      The only difference is that nobody is purchasing Chinese products unless you've got no comparable western alternative already available. Also, China has advanced a lot recently from its obscurity but there's a good reason why it's products are being openly mocked by other western products, even with all of its cost advantages, in 3rd world competitions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >buy a system that already kind of works
      >make it work reliably
      >profit
      It's perfectly legit if the selling party is moronic enough to sign the contracts and hand over the source code.
      It's nothing like what the chinks do when they steal and reverse engineer some western tech and then make an inferior version.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    having good semiconductors goes a long way.

    the Russian systems are kinematically fine, it's just their control systems are 80's vintage

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the fact that they purchased a co development from 2 russian companies and picked the s400 missiles design instead of the patriot ones just proves what expensive and overhyped garbage patriot really is

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia was bankrupt at the moment and it was literally selling everything at discounted prices which led to South Korea being one of its VIPs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sell the full documentation of your best AA system
      >the buyer uses it to make a better system and outsells you
      That's not the win you think it is my brown friend.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesnt matter if you dont have plans to sell it

        its only a better system for users of western equipment because of nato integration, russia doesnt even has capacity to make enough of s-350 for itself

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How did they do it
    They just put new semiconductors in it

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