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How did the turks do it?
It became a necessity because US denied the F-35s and Turkey needed a solution for a deep stealth strike platform. Now it's even better, without a meatball on the wheel.
>How did the turks do it
>It became a necessity because US denied the F-35s and Turkey needed a solution for a deep stealth strike platform.
But how are they able to do it? I certainly wouldn't of expected Turkey to be next big arm manufacturer ten years ago.
Just the right balance I guess. America doesn't quite seen it as enough of foe or friend enough to interfere either way.
because everyone is so busy hating them that no one cares to actually take a closer look. this has been happening ever since they decided to leave the steppes. these exact discussions were made when there was talk about a big cannon the turks were building to allegedly take constantinople. no one thought they could. incidentally this exact hate is what drives them.
i cant wait to see their own engines. they have made great progress in metallurgy and production processes like 3d printing engine parts. very exciting. this new drone will be pretty nice. i wouldnt be surprised if the turks will be the catalyst for the era of unmanned air combat. if this thing flies and hits stuff then the whole world will simultaneously shit their pants and be hopeful.
because if the turks can do it, everyone can. except for maybe armenians and greeks.
That's pretty neat. Is it a flyable prototype?
The first one seemed to be promotional, this one is probably for ground tests. First flight is expected 2023 iirc
I'm excited for this. More competition in the uas market is a good thing.
So just in time for Turkey to go into complete collapse. Wow Im impressed
Looks like shit.
Turks confirmed boipucci connoisseurs.
These aren't even the same jet. The KizilElma has a pair of smaller wings in the front, while this doesn't.
>pair of smaller wings in the front
Those are called canards, brainlet, and no shit, it's not the inferior roachdrone. It's the Fifth-Generation Air Target Drone, like the filename implies.
It's not done yet, but is expected to be in the future.
I'd like to see Turkey get closer to Algeria for co-development funding and weapons sales and take sales away from China.
I'd also like to see Turkey get closer to Japan in the realm of commercial technology, since Japan can't export weapons.
Countries with Greco-Armenian lobbies will always sabotage transactions with Turkey, which is why Ukraine and South Korea have been fruitful alternatives.
Unfortunately there are plenty of things that Turkey couldn't compete with China simply due to the economic of scale as well as the chinese being ahead of turkey in several sectors like semiconductor/microprocessor technology as well as aeronautical industry. You think China sucks at making engine? Yeah wait for Turkish first "indigenous" turbofan engine gor fighter use or something. The thing that hampered China will hamper Turkey all the same
What Turkey should do is to focus on the things they actually good at and double down on them so that very few could touch them in that particular area. Right now Turkey is making a killing in UAS technology so it's better to invest more in UAS
Algeria is among the Top 3 buyers of Chinese weapons, alongside Pakistan and Bangladesh. There are certain things that China is clearly ahead at, which Turkey can't supply. But there are other things in the realm of small arms, armored vehicles, UAVs and certain missiles that Turkey does produce, often times better.
Taking sales away from China in those respects should be a priority. Turkey is already competing with China in Africa in many regards. The fact that Algeria and Bangladesh buys so much weaponry from China is embarrassing. Furthermore, Algeria is a big country and there's potential for them to fund development. So it would be wise for Turkey to partner up with them for that.
It's actually surprising that Algeria and Turkey haven't strategically partnered up sooner, because culturally Algeria has many similarities to it more so than most countries. They also have gas, and a large population (useful both for the consumer sector, and skilled labor), and could become a geostrategic asset. There's a lot of attention paid to Libya, but there needs to be more paid to Algeria and the Balkans. Tunisia and Egypt are forever lost causes, so Turkey shouldn't bother wasting resources there.
An algerian remembering he was colonized by turks and weaponized by them against the french, before being colonized by the french?
This is a first.
Most Algerians actually like Turkey though and the hate comes mostly from the Ottomans not sending troops when France invaded Algeria, leading Algerians to feel abandoned by the empire.
>and weaponized by them against the french
Considering that Ottomans and France had like a 300 year long alliance, false.
Yeah nah, its at best at the stage of that Iranian light "fighter" mock up
It's not advertised as stealth.
Why does a drone need canards?
Generally canards are good at acting as an air foil that blows air over the wing when its flying high AoA, delaying the stall and acting as flaps during take off and landing, so basically high AoA maneuvers and improved slow speed characteristics, apart from acting as a very high surface area control surface far from the center of gravity. So i guess turks are trying to make a drone that can do basic dogfighting and give the drone somewhat of a short range take off and landing capabilaties, however the fact that the canard is basically at the wing root level and so far from the wing, makes me thing that its just a way to compensate for shitty pelican tail performance, since a canard that far probably wont be really effective at reducing wing stall at high AoA, but what do i know, I just draw and fap to raven futa.
You forgot to mention the downsides of canards. Namely the fact that they cause planes to bleed energy faster. You get one good turn out of them and then you're done. Better hope the guy you're fighting doesn't have a wingman.
The downsides are irelevant for drones
Is it supersonic
Generally asking, how this type of drones will be managed in dog fight? AI?
This design looks awfully familiar
This design looks awfully familiar
The international science community does most of the theoretical heavy lifting, the design firms making mil stuff follow their lead.
It's typical that militaries are making similar stuff in the same era, as the state of research public and private defines what is considered possible.
In the 50/60s US and Rus were experimenting with naturally unstable platforms, and this was the basis for most operational fighters through the 70s/80s as computer flight control reached a point of making it useable for the pilot majority.
China has no plan for VTOL. They are making the TYPE 076 Assault Carrier with EM catapult instread.
What's it supposed to be good for?
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Baykar Technology Technical Manager Selçuk Bayraktar announced on his Twitter account that the second production prototype of the KIZILELMA Combat Unmanned Aircraft System, which is aimed to make its first flight in 2023, will be exhibited at TEKNOFEST 2022, which will be held in Samsun.
“Happy 951. th anniversary of the Great Offensive, the herald of the victory that cemented our existence in this ancient land, where we took a step with the Manzikert Victory 100 years ago. On the morning of this blessed day, we said goodbye to the 2nd production prototype of KIZILELMA, which we prepared for flight, to Samsun, TEKNOFEST BLACK.”
Selçuk Bayraktar shared the images of the KIZILELMA MİUS (Combat Unmanned Aircraft System) prototype from the production line on 19 June 2022. Next to the prototype, which was still in production, was the painted mock-up.
President of the Turkish Presidency of Defense Industry Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, for the KIZILELMA Combat Unmanned Aircraft System in A News broadcast:
“We are planning to get KIZILELMA out of the hangar next year. I hope his brother HÜRJET will also fly next year. This process can also be faster. Baykar likes to surprise. But our target is next year. As in AKINCI TİHA, KIZILELMA will not be uniform. There will be different variants and further models will continue to work.” had used the words.
Bayraktar KIZILELMA will operate at a cruising speed close to the speed of sound. In the next process, it will be able to exceed the speed of sound. KIZILELMA will have an ammunition and payload capacity of close to 1.5 tons. It will be able to carry Air-Air, Air-Ground smart missiles and cruise missiles. The radar will be able to carry its ammunition inside the hull so that it has a low-visible design. In missions where radar invisibility is not at the forefront, they can also have their ammunition under the wing.
Bayraktar KIZILELMA will be able to land on short runway ships with the help of catch cables and hooks. The element that distinguishes the aircraft design from other unmanned warplanes in the world is its vertical tails and front canard horizontal control surfaces. Thanks to these control surfaces, it will have aggressive maneuverability. A contract covering the supply of Ukrainian AI-25TL and AI-322F engines was signed for KIZILELMA, which will have different engine options.
Announced by TEI on June 10, 2022, the TF6000 has similar thrust values with its AI-5500 afterburner turbofan engine, which is also one of the engines planned to be used in Bayraktar KIZILELMA MIUS (Combat Unmanned Aircraft System), which can give 9260 lb and 322 lb with afterburner. In this context, it can be evaluated that both TF6000 have a sufficient level of thrust for KIZILELMA.
Way to save the thread, bro.
That’s….weird. Doesn’t Turkey have domestic engines? Or are they so bad that Soviet-based ones are better? Or is it a cost-savings thing? A move to copy the tech?
You have to start from something or else you'd be wasting resources recreating the wheel
Also there's probably about half a dozen country that could produce turbofan engine in the world right now. There's the US, Canada, The UK, Japan and that's about it. Russia, France and China technically could as well tho I'd put an asterisk on their capabilities
>he doesn't know about the turbine rabbit hole
The Chinks had the advantage of working Soviet/Russian engines to try and break down, yuge espionage effort, and tons of bugmen and money to throw at the problem, and they still took(are taking) two + decades to get near western standards.
Anytime I see canards on a plane I think that the designers must suck at math.
Yeah, that Burt Rutan, total poser.
>three surface aircraft
How much does it cost?
The Turks are currently having success because their smaller drones have bang for the buck and are cost effective enough to be pretty much expendable.
They studied aerodynamics, propulsion systems, and aeronautical engineering, then worked hard to build something.
>pick NACA airfoil from 1950s
>add foreign engine
>add foreign avionics
Wow well done
is it stealth though? i mean coating and shit?
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