>Battlefield Las Vegas put rounds through a full auto PSAK with no problems until the barrel burned out and started keyholing
>Rob Ski tested it and gave it his seal of approval
Give me a good reason a modern PSAK isn't literally just as good as a WASR.
>muh sovl
>muh comm bloc
>muh wood
>muh lack of modern features
It's a tool so most akgays will hate it because they're just funko pop collectors
Taste really.
People just hate Palmetto because they are really just as good. The hate is even more relevant in the AR world where they have to try and justify that their thousand dollar AR can't even outshoot or outlast a pathetic $400 PSA rifle.
The reason why everyone should support Palmetto State Armory is that they'll be producing 5.45x39 in the near future.
>5.45×39
Explain to me like a no gun why I should care?
Obummer had some kind of beef with russians and banned ammo imports
PSA will be making them onshore
Based king Black person. I hate buying imported shit. If it turns out well I might actually get and ak in its superior chambering.
Take the 5.56 ak pill bro. It's way better logistically if you live in the states. A plethora of different 5.56/.223 loads and bullet weights, you'll get better performance than any steel cased 5.45 available. Also, 5.56 aks are cheaper than 5.45 guns (zastava m90 for like $1150)
Aren't 5.56 AK mags all proprietary and cost like $100 tho
some are, some use galil mags, and some have a magwell adapter for AR mags
Zastava makes 5.56 mags and I've had 100% luck with their steel mags (I think they're like $40 each). AC Unity makes budget polymer 5.56 mags and they're like $13 each (these are pretty much just range mags, they feel flimsy but they're actually pretty reliable and feed well in my guns).
>they'll be producing 5.45x39 in the near future
No they won't
>5.45×39
Explain to me like a no gun why I should care?
545x39 is effectively banned in the states right now due to import restrictions. If its produced domestically price will drop and availability will increase.
It's already about the same price as 5.56
>The reason why everyone should support Palmetto State Armory is that they'll be producing 5.45x39 in the near future.
god I hope so
hopefully 7.62x39 too
>babies first PSA product announcement
And when did the barrel turn out?
17,000 rounds. But that was the Gf3 with a nitrided barrel. They have newer models with in-house CHF barrels and other models with FN produced CHF barrels which will last longer.
Have they given any updates on the CHF rifles yet? How long have they lasted?
17k is a good performance especially from a US made AK, however I distinctly recall BFLV having a WASR that lasted somewhere in the neighborhood of 80K
WASR isn't the highest bar to clear but it's good that a US made AK has improved up to an acceptable level of performance.
The CHF barrels do add a significant cost, but if it does last longer it would be worth it to somebody who intends to do a lot of shooting.
17k is a pretty decent round count considering that it's full-auto, where heat stress is going to be a bigger factor. Running it semi-auto would probably result in a considerably longer service life than that.
It would be interesting to see if BFV buys some CHF models in order to get a longer service life out of them. At some point the issue may not be barrel life but receiver stretching since they are stamped steel.
That depends. If you just want an AK and don't care where it's made or what the resale value is because you intend to shoot it until it doesn't shoot anymore, PSA offers a wide range of features/options/configurations, it's not a perpetual everything-is-out-of-stock-fest and the cost savings mean more money to blow on ammo.
KUSA seems like a good step up, but they aren't as big as PSA so people aren't seeing them everywhere. On paper they should be better, but because they are smaller and they don't have as many guns out there being shot yet it's still impossible to be 100% sure that they deliver.
WASR is the only import that's cost competitive but their build quality is sloppy and the furniture they come with is awful. They are also perpetually sold out everywhere.
Maybe a dumb question, but are the nitrided AKs any more accurate? Because I know nitrided AR barrels tend to be more accurate than equivalent CHF barrels.
CHF is only less accurate because it's difficult to apply evenly, and if it's done in a haphazard manner there are small imperfections that can influence accuracy slightly. If anyone can make a quality chrome lined barrel that still shoots well I reckon it would be FN, although it's worth noting that they make it that way for maximum durability rather than accuracy per se.
In my experience I had an Atlantic Firearms AK build that had a nitride barrel and shot a bit better than my current WASR 10/63. So that's two observable data points, but the barrel on the AF AK might not have been the same cheap barrel that PSA uses (their nitride barrels tend to also be more geared for being cheap and OK performance rather than to enhance accuracy). Additionally the barrel on my WASR is surplus from the 1980s with only god knows what kind of round count or maintenance, in addition to famously mediocre Nicolae Ceaușescu era Gypsy manufacturing quality and it still shoots acceptably.
All things being equal, these are AKs and they aren't really meant to be precision rifles. They are meant to be high round count, abuse resistant slam pigs. Chrome bores are better suited for the task.
You're conflating chrome lining and cold-hammer-forging (CHF).
>Battlefield LV asks PSA for rifle
>PSA cherry picks the best one and sends off
>Youtuber eceleb asks PSA for rifle
>PSA cherry picks the best one and sends off
>average Joe buys PSA for full price
>PSA sends out whatever Jaquan cobbled together that day
Just become a YouTube eceleb and your problem is solved
Dam and his Daniel Defense failed 1k rounds in...... Thank you for convincing me to buy a PSA AR.
>My fan theory which has been proven bullshit before
people avoid it here because foreign import is smarter investment, and KUSA is superior.
QC is still an issue with the company.
guaranteed you don't actually own any PSA anything, parrot
bfv doesnt consider the barrels shot out until they start keyholding at 15 yards on paper though. i would be more interested in seeing how many rounds they last at semi auto and stay within like a 4 moa standard
They sort of stay until they go, if that makes sense
>i would be more interested in seeing how many rounds they last at semi auto and stay within like a 4 moa standard
Bruh, a lot of AKs don't shoot 4 MOA from the factory
Well, it makes sense, after all people go to BFV to try full moron on the guns, and not to practice their accuracy.
Its unironically just mass coping on their part, which to be fair is kind of understandable. American AK’s for decades have been shown to be unreliable at the absolute best, and here comes along a company that not just managed to make an inexpensive good AK after some teething issues and growing pains, but is also the same company making $400 AR’s that can hold up well on their own. Even the one main criticism with non chrome lined barrels is no longer a thing with their newer AK’s coming standard with one. Imagine spending thousands for some larp rifle with MUH SOVL only to see the same level of quality and in some cases even better (doubt PSA AK’s risk canted sights, but I could be wrong) for the low price of $600 on sales, which are frequent. Its like the ultimate slap in the face for AK purists, that a company from bumfrick, South Carolina known for cheap AR’s figured out the AK formula and sell it new at a lower price than imports have been at for over a decade.
>only to see the same level of quality and in some cases even better (doubt PSA AK’s risk canted sights, but I could be wrong)
From what I've heard, canted sights aren't unheard of on PSAKs. Where they really BTFO imports is fit and finish.
I’ll admit I never really looked into it so could be wrong, but I’d have figured the purists would absolutely blow up any cantedness they have in a “they have it too so buy our overpriced shit” kind of way. I’ve seen a lot of out of proportion things their AK’s got shat on with before, but never canted sights. Again, could be wrong though.
In my ownership experience of both, PSAK wins all day.
>fed both solely with steelcase
>cleaned both about the same number of times (once OR twice)
shot psak in mud, shot it with no dust cover, shot it upside down, shot it in a moving car, never jammed, and personally the PSAK feels alot better fit/finish than anything WASR or WASR adjacent.
With that being said, there is always the chance of a lemon, and from what I've heard (read online), when they lemon they lemon HARD. Not explode in your face ala Kentucky Ballistics, but bad wear patterns are common across all their lemon rifles.
If you can accept that you are 80% likely gonna get a good gun and not a lemon, go for it.
Current round count on my WASR was under 500, PSAK GF3 has 1464 (yes I keep track, I was skeptical of them at first too)
>Give me a good reason a modern PSAK isn't literally just as good as a WASR.
It uses Magpul's fugly-ass furniture instead of Romanian wood harvested from burnt out Gypsy camps.