Battle of Peleliu

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it was the first time the US encountered Japanese defenses that were based upon tunnels and individual bunkers supporting each other. It was more like a web rather than actual frontlines, the Ungals or whatever they are called were also absolutely horrible to clear and took up a significant amount of time. Lessons about flamethrowers and satchels, along with CAS and armored support elements were learned. I think a significant number of marines were pulled out to help with another invasion and what was left behind was expected to clear the last pieces of resistance in a few days rather than the month it took

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What went wrong was the battle being fought at all. There was zero need for a base in Palau, as the Philippines campaign started without Peleliu secured and would give the US many far better bases. Without a battle, thousands of Americans and the vast majority of the Japanese on Peleliu (based on the survival rate on Koror and Babelthuap, whose large garrisons starved but were never attacked) would have survived.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Japs would have survived
      Then there was a need you fricking pussy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Japanese soldiers trapped on islands were functionally out of the war. Practically none of them came back until Hirohito surrendered and we picked them up.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There shouldn’t have been anything left to pick up or surrender. Your policies on warfare have degraded Americas ability to project power abroad and been disastrous for the world gay.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Killing the Japanese in Truk or Rabaul or Babelthuap wouldn't have made Japan surrender any earlier. Killing the Japanese on Peleliu did not make them surrender any earlier either.

            A single jap with a radio was a threat to nearby naval elements and having a proper airfield to do recon and routine air patrols was invaluable.

            We let over a division of Japs with said radios sit the war out in Babelthuap and never regretted it. As for air bases, only a few photo-recon aircraft could get anywhere from the little airfield and there were better options for getting aerial photography of the Philippines than killing over two thousand American marines.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Wasting time, resources and men on killing already neutralised enemy formations is totally how you win a war, guys!
            >Killing surrendered troops is actually le good idea and not at all a recipe to inspire fanatical resistance that will cost yet more time, reosurces and lives to overcome!
            Try to be less of a moronic edgelord please. We're not on /misc/.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Not wasting your resources on fights with no strategic or tactical purpose is ruining power projection and degrading warfighting capability
            How did you arrive at this conclusion?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A single jap with a radio was a threat to nearby naval elements and having a proper airfield to do recon and routine air patrols was invaluable.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Airfields in bypassed islands do nothing. They were already dealt with by strafing/bombing and can't be supplied.

            There shouldn’t have been anything left to pick up or surrender. Your policies on warfare have degraded Americas ability to project power abroad and been disastrous for the world gay.

            No, moron, go die in a war against your post office or whatever you schizos do.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/XlsBNX7.jpeg

              Killing the Japanese in Truk or Rabaul or Babelthuap wouldn't have made Japan surrender any earlier. Killing the Japanese on Peleliu did not make them surrender any earlier either.
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              We let over a division of Japs with said radios sit the war out in Babelthuap and never regretted it. As for air bases, only a few photo-recon aircraft could get anywhere from the little airfield and there were better options for getting aerial photography of the Philippines than killing over two thousand American marines.

              Who gives a frick about muh surrender? Kill. Them. All. It’s that fricking simple morons.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every Japanese we killed was one who wouldn't be integrated into the America-centric global economic system later. While it was necessary to kill many thousands of Japanese people to create that system, it would have been wrong to overdo it. And then, of course, there's the question of morality.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every jap we killed could have easily been replaced by American seed gay.

                [...]
                Trying too hard.

                You don’t try at all. That’s the problem.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trying too hard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I take it then that you would have volunteered to be in the first wave and be on permanent pointman duty in all these additional combat actions then, and wouldn't have demanded other Americans be the ones to die for the sake of your moronic edginess while you chilled out a thousand miles from the fighting. Right?

                Yeah, didn't think so either.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's the point? Why kill someone when you can spare their life? I'm generally in favor of war crimes, but what you're advocating is just pointless butchery.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Every jap we killed could have easily been replaced by American seed gay.
                So you can have people like the pro-Chinese governor of Okinawa or Elliot Roger running around everywhere?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not fitting just like how you don't fit in at school...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                Trying too hard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You underestimate how psychopathic the average amerimutt is.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IMO the Philippines should have been bypassed if it wasn't for MacArthur's bruised ego. Pelieu wasn't shit compared with Manila.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I feel what you're saying - but on the other hand, we sort of did promise to liberate the Philippines, and going back on that promise might have been a serious negative for postwar relations.

        We should've just landed at Hokkaido and set up a base there.

        Using the Aleutians as a base? That doesn't sound fun at all.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Using the Aleutians as a base? That doesn't sound fun at all.
          Nah just sail straight from San Diego

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Using the Aleutians as a base? That doesn't sound fun at all.
          The logical part would be crossing over the land border in Karafuto. Doubt the Japanese would have been willing to attack the Soviet Union in return.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Soviets didn't even let the Allies use their land as a base in Europe.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frantic

              Oh yeah?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        By 1944 Dyess had made it back to the US and was going on press tours publicly talking about the Bataan Death March and how fricked the Philippines was. At that time most Americans viewed the Philippines as a sorta-kinda US territory. We couldn't consciously abandon American lives and our Little Brown Brothers' freedom to the japs if there were something we could do about it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >At that time most Americans viewed the Philippines as a sorta-kinda US territory.
          I mean, it WAS lmao

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine if they stayed

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the philippines would have been essential in cutting japan off from their oil supplies
        in hindsight, the war could have been won without it because the sea-mining and submarine campaign destroyed their merchant marine

        but people at the time did not have hindsight, they wanted to win the war as quickly as possible by cutting off any possibility
        they had also mostly abandoned withering-on-the-vine as a tactic that late into the war in favor of concentrated destruction of japanese forces wherever they were, so the japanese being on the philippines at all and in massive quantity, meant it was a priority target regardless of oil status or promises made by macarthur

        https://i.imgur.com/pD31ucX.jpeg

        What went wrong?

        nothing, the US went by the book using proven tactics
        the japanese just chose this moment to alter their tactics in response to previous failures, by choosing an inland defense instead of a forward defense to avoid being destroyed instantly by heavy firepower

        this all but guaranteed the japanese would be wiped to a man, since allowing the americans to land in quantity meant they could bring their numerical superiority into play
        but it did meant the US would need to spend more time clearing it tip to top against entrenched enemies

        the US did not do anything particularly wrong, since conventional logic dictates that the only way to defeat a numerically superior force is to concentrate forces at the front and defeat them piecemeal

        whats important is that the US would be much more careful and merthodical in sweeping enemy positions at okinawa from their hard lessons at pelilu

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The US had taken the Marianas already. The next step towards Japan was either the Philippines or Formosa. Either cuts the supply lines to the oil Borneo and Java. The Philippines were honestly the better choice. They were closer to the Marianas, had far more and far easier options for doing amphibious landings, and had more sheltered waters to repair damaged ships. This was the exact reason US war planners expected to lose them to Japan initially, there's so many ways to invade the Philippines that the defender either has to allow the landing and fight a concentrated field battle or you're risking defeat in detail trying to cover all the landing sites. Aside from that it was just a good PR move. Formosa is basically the only bad idea King ever had IMO.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the part of the campaign where you get to flamethrow bunkers?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We should've just landed at Hokkaido and set up a base there.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man what a shithole. Wasn't it all mostly all hard rock and coral? Imagine the foot and leg injuries alone.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Assuming you were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan rather than spending your entire deployment jerking off in South Korea, I hope they find evidence of your war crimes and put you in prison. Fricking psychopath.
    And you do realize the Japanese had gas too, right? The Germans had even more, and maybe if we gas their allies they gas our troops in France.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop feeding the moron, guys

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They could have let every new aircrew fly a few milk run missions to the isolated islands for training before being forward deployed and bombed the shit out of the starving Japs there to make their lives even worse and kill more.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They could have also just lined up every Jap and thrown them all into fires after the end of the war. They could have dismembered everyone and scattered the pieces in the ocean. They could have forced everyone to wear a dress and pigtails. Theres a million ways to make your enemy suffer. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Specifically killing more Japs within the accepted conventions of war while getting some actual benefit out of fricking with the ones on isolated islands instead of ignoring them.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason Japan lost is that they couldn't pronounce the name of the island.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to point out the "the shortest bombing mission in history" at Peleliu. USMC Corsairs landed on the airstrip while the island was still being contested. The would take off with Napalm canisters, drop them on the Japanese positions on Five Sisters 900m from the runway threshold then enter the downwind pattern to land and do it again without ever putting their landing gear up.

    The only comparable thing in modern warfare I can think of was during the Falklands war when Argentina set up a tiny matting strip on the Goose Green Isthmus. When the British landing went ashore RAF harriers (who had been transported by container ship then took off from a helipad and landed on the navy carriers) bombed it with cluster bombs. After the beachhead was established and point defense SAMs brought ashore then landed on the Goose Green strip and started flying CAS missions. Literally proof of the expeditionary capability that the nerd critics of the USMC harrier program complained was unrealistic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good post anon

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Douglas MacArthur

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Island Hopping was a moronic McArthur jerk off fest. Should have just gone with decisive naval battle and then CAG fighter sweeps over the home islands until the nips invented anime.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Carriers wouldn't be able to mount the necessary bombing of Japan, and island bases would also be needed to enforce the blockade. That said, only Okinawa and Saipan were really necessary for it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >going straight at Okinawa
        >when the Japanese still have Formosa, Luzon, and the main Japanese islands to launch kamikaze strikes from
        Careful chief, you're being awfully audacious

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you go for Okinawa, you can't stop the Japanese from mounting airstrikes at you from Taiwan or Kyushu, which are both closer than the Philippines to Okinawa.

          Eh, I don't think so. Avengers and destroyers can drop mines too. A shit load more Japs would have died, but way fewer Americans. It's a fricking island. Crush the Navy, mine the shit out of the coast, then wait. Could have started this in late 42.

          This strategy might have actually lost us the war. Japan would have the opportunity to attack American mining and patrol fleets with fleet sorties and land-based aircraft. Operating so far away from bases would have sapped the fleet's effectiveness, and if our main fleet deploys forward to protect the patrol fleets, Japan could get its decisive battle under very favorable conditions.
          Also, it was hard enough to sink Japanese shipping when our torpedoes worked and we had close bases. In 1942? Get real, their fleet is going to be fully loaded with Indonesian oil.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you go for Okinawa, you can't stop the Japanese from mounting airstrikes at you from Taiwan or Kyushu, which are both closer than the Philippines to Okinawa.
            Yes, that's the point I was making. It was smarter to go to the Philippines first instead of trying to do a carrier-only raid strategy from the Marianas, since that cuts down the available bases the Japanese air arms can operate from and eliminates one axis of attack against the fleet.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, I don't think so. Avengers and destroyers can drop mines too. A shit load more Japs would have died, but way fewer Americans. It's a fricking island. Crush the Navy, mine the shit out of the coast, then wait. Could have started this in late 42.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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