barring a NATO intervention, I think it's safe to say that Poland could've defended itself from russia

barring a NATO intervention, I think it's safe to say that Poland could've defended itself from russia

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah Poland can now BTFO Germans and Russians in the same time without anyone helping them. They learned their lesson.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Poland is mentioned
      >"Yeah fuck Germany"
      Piotr I literally never did anything to you guys, i even thought you were pretty based. You are my NATO brothers and I would protect your country with my live, as such it always breaks my heart when I read your hateful comments.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt that was even a Polish commenter.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I like you guys too, EU and NATO were the two best things that happened to Poland in centuries. I just want ruskies to all die

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          NATO - I agree.
          UE - eh, they need to drop their patronizing attitude towards Eastern Europe.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Germ here
          I think the same even though EU can be shit at times towards you guys

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not saying we don't have German-haters in Poland but if you take any statistics in this matter you would see that it is by far a minority. One of the main goals of Russian propaganda is to divide us so one could easily assume that most of those "I hate Germany" posters in here are not even Polish.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's probably a minoiry, but funny enough the one Pole I know was firmly convinced that germany/"western europe" wouldn't lift a finger to help if Russia invaded Poland. It was quite a bizzare take to listen to.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            This literally the default stance of most people in Poland. No one believes Western European countries would do anything meaningful if Poland was invaded, except for UK. Anglo countries and ex-Eastern Bloc countries are the only ones anyone trusts here when it comes to military matters.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              It's such an odd take tho, even the people who genuinly hate poland in the west would still want to help it fight Russia. If for no other reason than poland existing means they don't have to live next to Russia.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                There are various factors that make it a popular view:
                >Most people think that Poland was betrayed in 1939 by France and UK which didn't really do anything after declaring war and let Germans steamroll us. Doubly so for France, which refused numerous propositions of joint pre-emptive strike against Germany in 1920s. And then there's the second betrayal in Yalta.
                >Most contries don't spend the 2% of GDP in NATO guidelines on their defense, which means they don't take their defense seriously. If they don't take their own defense seriously, then why would they take defense of another country seriously?
                >Germany and Russia often made deals with Russia that undermined Poland and other Eastern EU countries.
                >General sentiment that Western Europe is pussified and simply wouldn't have balls to send their men to die for another country and honor the agreements.
                Probably other factors that I cba to list right now.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough, I can see how it got there even if a lot of it is history. Hopefully that vibe might be turning after this years... excitement? At the very least, hating russia will be common policy for the foreseeable future.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >At the very least, hating russia will be common policy for the foreseeable future.

                If that will be the case than I cant imagine a worsening of our ties tbqh

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Well, with how Germany is handling the Ukrainian conflict, I don't think they are unjustified.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Reading this made me happy. As a burger I will happily kill and maim side by side with you guys to protect European security and freedom. Fuck Russia.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >They learned their lesson.
      They can't learn shit because they're retarded east euro slavs, they got obliterated by nazis and then licked soviet boots for 30-40 years without even trying to fight them till soviets just left on their own because they got tired ruling such retarded and useless nations.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        2/10 b8 m8

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's true tho, slavs are just shit at everything. They're lazy and low iq and will forever be shit.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ok Pablo XD

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Kaliningrad would be Polish rn if that were the case. Poland's army is like Ukraine's, but if it had better funding, and more western support.
    Russia would've gotten BTFO'ed even harder.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    But there would be a NATO intervention. It be cooler but less funny so I'm not sure which I would prefer.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No, it couldn't.
    The only reason Ukraine exists is because NATO did intervene, providing an infinite stream of intelligence and arms. It helped the Russians believed the Ukrainians would welcome them with open arms.
    They wouldn't make that assumption with Poland, and without support, Poland would be crushed.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Poland would be crushed

      With what? Their t-62s? Like a 1/5th of their airforce has been shot down already as well you really think the Poles wouldn't absolutely dominate the air and in turn any battle on the ground?

      Russia LITERALLY cannot do combined arms, the Poles can

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      > It helped the Russians believed the Ukrainians would welcome them with open arms.
      The American government, and by extension NATO, put its credibility on the line telling everyone who would listen that Russia is about to invade Ukraine and the west needs to be ready. And the American government isn't exactly long on credibility at the moment. America gave Russia every opportunity to back down, even a move into the independent republics by the Russian military would have been accepted with some grumbling, I think. Hell, if certain media claims are true, and I'm inclined to believe them in this case, even Ukraine did not believe the scale of the Russian invasion until just a few days before it began.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It was just incredibly hard for most people to believe that they'd do something so monumentally stupid, the only thing that made logical sense was a threat/powerplay... that ain't so hard to believe with hindsight tho.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It was just incredibly hard for most people to believe that they'd do something so monumentally stupid, the only thing that made logical sense was a threat/powerplay... that ain't so hard to believe with hindsight tho.

        Russia had rushed their invasion on February 2022. Had they waited a month or better yet two months it would have gone very different from how bad they fucked up the first few weeks, before Western weapons flooded and made things worse. The ground was wet and muddy from spring replacing winter, and Russian vehicles and tanks got stuck left and right.

        It's very likely that Russia rushed their invasion because they were worried about Ukraine gaining air superiority. Turkey had signed deals to co-produce TAI Anka and Bayraktar TB2 combat drones on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine also produces the engines for the Bayraktar Akinci drone.

        AUG 2021
        Turkey adds Bayraktar Akinci to TSK inventory
        >https://thedefensepost.com/2021/08/31/turkey-akinci-drone/
        >https://eurasiantimes.com/turkeys-akinci-drone-to-outperform-US-Israeli-uavs/

        SEP 2021
        Russian media panics about Bayraktar Akinci
        >https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2021/09/05/russia-sees-a-real-threat-from-turkeys-new-akinci-drone/

        Ukraine orders more Bayraktar TB2 drones
        >https://dailysabah.com/business/defense/ukraine-to-buy-24-more-turkish-bayraktar-tb2-ucavs

        OCT 2021
        Ukraine uses Bayraktar TB2 to strike pro-Russian 122mm D-30 howitzer in Donbas
        Ukraine says it did it to save Ukrainian troop position after one died from the shelling
        >https://themoscowtimes.com/2021/10/27/ukraine-destroys-pro-russian-artillery-in-its-first-use-of-turkish-drones-a75420
        >https://aa.com.tr/en/europe/ukraine-confirms-death-of-soldier-in-attack-by-separatists-in-donbas/2405119

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        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          NOV 2021:
          Plans announced to build plant in Ukraine to produce TB2 drones and Akinci engines
          >https://uawire.org/turkey-to-build-plant-and-service-center-for-bayraktar-drones
          >https://savunmasanayist.com/ukraynadan-akinciya-30-adet-yeni-motor/
          >https://en.topwar.ru/188843-ukraina-prodolzhit-osnaschat-tureckie-udarnye-bespilotniki-bayraktar-akinci-turbovintovymi-dvigateljami-ai-450t.html

          Ukraine's Ambassador to Turkey say production to begin "in a matter of months, not years"
          >https://ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/3342696-start-of-bayraktar-production-in-ukraine-matter-of-months-not-years-ambassador-to-turkey.html

          DEC 2021
          Russia complains about Turkish-made drones
          >https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-03/ukraine-buys-more-armed-drones-from-turkey-than-disclosed-and-angers-russia
          >https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/12/03/Putin-criticizes-Ukraine-s-use-of-Turkish-drones-in-Erdogan-call-

          Plans revealed to produce TAI Anka drones in Ukraine
          >https://dailysabah.com/business/defense/ukraine-turkey-to-jointly-produce-new-gen-armed-drones
          >https://perild.com/2021/12/12/anka-heavy-drones-production-will-be-launched-in-ukraine-arestovich/

          JAN 2022
          Confirmation on production of Bayraktar TB2 drones in Ukraine
          >https://ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/3384936-ukrainian-mps-visit-turkish-plant-producing-bayraktar-tb2-drones.html
          >https://defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/02/04/turkey-and-ukraine-to-coproduce-tb2-drones/

          Speculation about Ukraine being first export customer of Bayraktar Akinci
          >https://defenseworld.net/2022/01/24/is-ukraine-the-first-export-customer-of-akinci-attack-drone.html

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    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Do the polish still hate russia the same way they did a few years ago?
      If so their morale alone would be too much for the average russian enlisted gay to handle.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Poland spent nearly 3 months straight asking Russia to try them when things first kicked off

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I am Polish and i can tell you that entire became straight out bloodthirsty overnight. Now its literally illegal to say you support russia. I can easily say that Poles haven't been so rusophobic since 1945 and i didn't thought that such collective hatred is even possible here.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          How did the sentiment turn so rapidly compared to many other countries?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Seeing Italy's highest rating being so high reminds me how fucking compromised by Russia our government is. I hate politicians I hate politicians I hate politicians.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              remember to hold them accountable. The entire right is paid by russia
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.open.online/2022/09/14/usa-soldi-russia-partiti-italia-kurt-volker/amp/

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The entire right
                As a person who volunteered and worked for a very right wing political party for a long time, including seeing where all the dollars came from and went, this is a huge exaggeration. The Russians fund nationalists, conservatives and reactionaries. They don't fund neolibs, libertarians or dries. Russia also funds left wing extremist movements. Basically they'll find anyone who they think will try to make politics more vitriolic and partisan and won't find anyone with any actual policies.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >libertarians
                >policies
                Weed and no laws aren't policies.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                K

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Isolationism growing in the West would be a huge positive for all enemies of the West.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, but here we aren't talking about some irrelevant 0.01% extremist party. They've been actively financing the three largest mainstream right wing parties which are in full shut it down mode since this revelation is rapidly eroding support for them and they have elections coming up. Even worse, they accepted money well after the illegal invasion of Crimea and thus directly financed and supported the current invasion. They should be in jail, not running for elections

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                They've been funding the left just as much. Unfortunately every fucking party is compromised.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Look at when it turned, think about what Russia did that year and think about Poland's history with Russia.

            Frankly I'm amazed that Solidarity hasn't become a paramilitary and invaded Kaliningrad already.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think that the sentiment "turned". It's always been there, and once again, by learning from history, we were proven right.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Say what you want about Swedes (and you can say a lot), few peoples have them beat in centuries long distrust of Russia.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Almost like there are historical reasons behind it

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            > Malaysia: 47
            > Singapore: 27
            God Lee Kuan Yew was so based. Fuck Mahathir Mohammed.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It was always there, people just didn't bring it up in casual conversation because why would you?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I can easily say that Poles haven't been so rusophobic since 1945 and i didn't thought that such collective hatred is even possible here.
          Based Poles

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I still support their kurwas and always will, war or no war.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Based and rusophobic pilled.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Poland would be in Moscow in 2 weeks

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Probably yeah, if they actually tried.
    Though from what I discussed with poles during the early days of invasion, polish morale seemed to be very down and pessimistic. I think it could have been possible that they could have collapsed without even really trying, if it seemed that the NATO was not willing to intervene immediately (very unlikely that at least USA would not have had boots on the ground from the day 2 though).

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Pessimism is ingrained into our society

      >hope for the best but prepare for the worst

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Pessimism is ingrained into our society

      >hope for the best but prepare for the worst

      Bongs during WW2 misidentify Polish pessimism for defeatism and initially thought that Polish soldiers, sailors and pilots after loosing to Germans twice are too demoralized to be on the front lines. Now imagine how English were surprised when Polish destroyer tried to solo Bismarck.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Poland would have struggled against the Russian army at the start of the year.
    There is no effective Russian army left now tho. Poland would absolutely wipe.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Poland is the strongest military in Europe after France. Russia would probably struggle beating Uganda ffs. The only reason russia still exists are nukes (if they even work that is)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      you've been memedto hard if you're at the point ot say someting like this seriously

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This one is the funniest bunch of polling data. I dont understand how anyone still thinks Putin even understands the word 'strategy'

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    on their own? no

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not sure if the Poles or the Russians are more delusional

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We sent a bunch of stuff to Ukraine and didn't get the replacements yet (like M1A1 SA). We'd probably take Kaliningrad since there's fuckall left there now, but we simply don't have numbers or enough hardware to fight whole Russia proper.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >We'd probably take Kaliningrad since there's fuckall left there now, but we simply don't have numbers or enough hardware to fight whole Russia proper.
      BS. Ukraine is doing exactly that right now and they only had eight years of prep kicking off wide a shooting war. You have had 30 years of prep and a even far more hatred filled history with vatniks compared to ukranians who bought into the whole "brother people" larp until very recently.

      Vatniks are arrogant pieces of shit that have built up their mythos based upon propaganda versions of history instead of reality and are thus drawing very, VERY wrong conclusions of their actual capabilities. For example they never defeated Poland in WW2 in a straight up war but waited for the germans to finish the job on their army before backstabbing them two weeks later. Nor they would have guaranteed lost Barbarossa by 1942 as they were facing a general famine with germans capturing most of their agricultural and industrial base. Only gullible anglo lend lease saved their asses and later equipped them enough to spam their lemmings all they way to Berlin as anglos were ravaging them in the sea, air and finally land.

      WW2, that is all there is to the stronk Rasha myth. Every other war following it has been with dubious results, been against unarmed civvie rebellions or straight up disasters that are now all culminating in Ukraine. Pre WW2 was just as laughable track record, such as WW1 complete defeat to the germans or getting their asses handed to them by the balts and poles and finns and later on getting absolutely slaughtered by the finns when the poles were neutralized by the germans and balts cucked out in front of their propaganda.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    At this very moment? I don't think so. 90% of our military shit is currently on Ukraine after all.
    In a few years? Yeah, I can see that. So, if Putin wants to openly attack Poland, he should do it right now, because in 5 years, he might not get a chance.
    Although, I don't think Russia will attack us openly. They might use terrorist attacks and hybrid warfare instead.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Poland would have halted a comvined belurussian/russian advance and have started advancing on Moscow itself. Even before modernizing with whatever stuff they're busy buying right now.
    It would have been a fucking bloodbath.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Can Poland conquer East Germany with all the American and Korean arms they've been buying recently?

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do Russian car thief's always steal two cars when they are in Germany?
    >Because they have to go through Poland on their way home.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    stop calling us russophobes, it hurts my russohate feelings

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine had 8 years to prepare, and thanks to the donbabue and luganda insurrection hundreds of thoursands of veterans to rely on...

    so its not easily comparable

    - but ineptitude of Russian army and their abysmal logistics would probably remain the same so result would be similar - quick push then slow grind and eventually stagnation/counterattack

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