Read the fricking thread. Pzh2k shits itself when used in real combat condition. Krab endures? Remember that blown out barrel? Some crews shot 6k shells at high charge, 4-6 times more than allowed
Doesn't matter at the end of the day. We all know every one of those SPGs is getting used FAR beyond their capabilities. Why are we surprised if some fail? They know the specs, they chose to ignore them, because it's easier to shell the enemy more and then just send it back for repairs then to use it slowly as intended
>4-6 times more than allowed
So the barrels endured more than 2 times their stimated use in combat? Sounds like good engineering to me, with decent safety margins.
Now they just need better hardened barrels with longer endurance.
wait wait wait i thought you were coping about the barrels bening germshit reinmetal? and thats why the one krab sipped its nob?
and now you are praising them for lasting 6k rounds ?????
This unbiased polish source is an actual expert in armored combat vehicles with contacts on the ground. Take it or present equally valuable German counterargument
?t=367 fellow POLISH GODS I bring you PROOF of a German general LYING IN OUR FACES by proclaming that the government in Kiev called the pzh2000 the best weapon system they are currently using?! WE CANT LET THIS SLANDER STAND! POLSKA GUROM!
Pretty big news. Add the another 54 contracted and it makes over a hundred. Looks like Ukraine gonna be the biggest Krab user in future .
>Under NATO air cover PZH2000 would do better IMHO.
That's the point. Under NATO air cover ukies wouldn't require such high artillery fire to begin with. But they don't have NATO air cover.
Im in favour of any weapon resulting in more dead vatniks. Look, if Germany’s PzH2000 isn’t up to standard then it can be fixed or retired.
For the west this is what is so useful about the Ukrainian war, got a weapon system, give it to the Ukies and see how it performs in tough conditions with crews who have plenty of experience but little formal training in western arms. If it works, great! You have a weapon that is both effective in making mountains of Russian corpses and is functionally idiot proof. If it doesn’t, well back to the drawing board.
You know when we were kids and people used to play ‘my dad can beat up your dad’? Well now we can see empirically whose dad is bigger. In this case it’s the KRAB.
This sounds like classic polish seethe against germans. Most comments out there by ukies about the phz2000 are pretty positive, if anything because before they had only shitty soviet stuff to compare.
The same happened with the aussie bushmasters. Even non optimal western vehicles are much better than the russian crap, so ukies are happy anyway.
Non bait answer:
Because germans can deliver them and ua needs SPGs, doesn't matter if one is slightly worse or not, matter that it shoots infinite 155mm including western space magic rounds.
Krabs are produced by HSW which does not have the same production capacity and is tied down making them for poland already. Since the korea deal came through and poland will be moving away from krab towards k9a2 and such, krabs end production in couple of years.
You Black folk can't stop the fricking Germany Poland fight for a minute (and as Deutschpole I think both camps are pretty moronic.)
PzH 2000 is a modern, elite howitzer but overengineered, therefore vulnerable to maintenance issues. But has unparalleled performance.
Krab is a modern, solid howitzer build a bit more rugged and cheaper, which also has it's advantage, and it's performance is still very competitive.
Both are doing it's job of killing RusBlack folk admirably and Ukraine is ordering as much as they can of both of them.
So stop the fricking pissing contest and be happy that Poland is based in it's support of Ukraine and delivers a 155mm kino death platform.
And that Germany's based weapon industry is also delivering kino 155mm death platforms if freed from the cuckery of German politics and the Black person tier militia called the Bundeswehr.
>You Black folk can't stop the fricking Germany Poland fight for a minute (and as Deutschpole I think both camps are pretty moronic.)
M8 half of those threads are Hans from Hamburg oblast arguing with Janusz from Warsaw oblast
Frick, we had supposed German threads appearing moments after supposed Polish threads and the other way round.
I bet that would /k/ have flags they'd forget to switch their VPN's like they did on /misc/ with how much they shill it
Nato weapons have been a total mess in Ukraine, all these precious toys that don’t work for shit but are Wunderwaffen on paper, it’s pathetic, really. Russia uses ass old tanks from 3 wars ago, artillery that saw combat in the 2. WW and still kicks in Natos shit in the Ukraine. Every months the propaganda is pushing another super weapon down our throat, first Javelin, then NLAW, then Lrab, PZH, Himars, etc. The impact of all these weapons was negligiert and just allowed the Ukraine to prolong the war and send an even greater amount of people to die.
>moronic slavBlack folk are too dumb to properly make use of high-tech weaponry
color me surprised. glad they are smart enough to have figured out how to use the Krab instead
They bought those after a few months of experience with the machines, they're notably superior to krabs and despite polish sabotage of Ukraine and Germany and in this conflict, they're doing well.
Yeah, right. That's why every guy on the ground and Twitter confirms that they feel creeped out by the Shithowitzer 2000. Ukraine is still one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, Germans took advantage of that, nothing more to it.
It's not even cope at this point, it's malicious disinformation and sabotage. It's a good thing both Polish and German media managed to shine a light on this.
On the contrary.
Poland demanded that Germany should hire Polish companies with no experience for it, Germany said German army engineers would maintain them at a depot near the border nowhere near Polish production lines.
It's not even cope at this point, it's malicious disinformation and sabotage. It's a good thing both Polish and German media managed to shine a light on this.
>trusting some greens member on anything much less arms
those are the cucks that wanted to further reduce gemanies armed forces, got the energy crisis rolling and have fethish hate against hunters and civilian owning funs
The polish government has confirmed it by now, tried to play it off as mean Germany demanding something completely unusual by wanting to service it themselves, but they didn't deny any of the facts
They could have used that same tab to order something good like... uhh... ehrm... damn... it's all shit isn't it? Maybe they already got somewhere lined up they can sell these to, but I doubt they'll find any buyers.
>very late damage control after Ukraine officially said PzH2k is better and ordered more of them
Why are there some people in Poland that keep trying to start drama where there is no need for any?
Who's actually paying them?
>Germany demands access access to HSW facilities under pretense of "pzh2000 maintenance" >Germany demands "nur fur Deutsche" on said facility >Told politely to frick off >KMW shills and Scholtz footstools begins diarrhea
Frankly, I hardly value German opinions ever since the Volkswagen emission scandal. Looks like Krauts are unable to learn on mistakes, question the official narrative or show modesty.
Pzh 2000 are fine on paper but a bit german autism comes into play when it hits the battlefield that requires high rate of fire, because it means you have to either >fire faster
If you fire faster, they will break. >get more guns
You can't get more guns, because it takes krauts a century to assemble new unit.
Basically the same shit they did at ww2 with their tiger autismo.
They're build to somewhat outdated doctrine.
- Carry as much ammo as possible
- Track enemy arty through COBRA radar
- Shoot barrage of shells, from the secure position >Don't need to relocate as much, because of superior range >Excellent software strictly tailored for PZH2000, but incompatible with other solutions >Highly autonomous, but delivered without command vehicle or munition carrier >Armored, heavy, reports claim somewhat clumsy during relocation
Meanwhile Krab >Shoot and scoot, non stop two - three shots spam and immediate relocation >Drone network providing recon through Topaz BMS >Command vehicle doesn't stop neither, constantly on the move and coordinating fire through Topaz BMS >Open architecture allows for implementation GIS ARTA into network >Ammo delivery to secure location marked with Topaz BMS, to be picked up later >Rugged loading system, withstand wear and tear
In hindsight, these vehicles are made to fulfill different roles. Under NATO air cover PZH2000 would do better IMHO.
>Under NATO air cover PZH2000 would do better IMHO.
That's the point. Under NATO air cover ukies wouldn't require such high artillery fire to begin with. But they don't have NATO air cover.
Think krab can't fire an Excalibur? Think again
germany getting DABBED on
>White order
Lol
Bad translation of “white Lada”
>biała Łada
>white order
Machine TL strikes again
>Polish source claiming Krab is based and PzH 2000 is shit
Very reliable. I’m fully in belief that Krab is great.
These twitter posts convinced me that pooland isn't pathetic but strong
Is there any confirmation from the Ukrainian government?
ofc no new /k/ags being new /k/ags sprinkled with JIDF agents seeding discord.
Just shut the frick lying chugnogger with you shitty (You) farm
Read the fricking thread. Pzh2k shits itself when used in real combat condition. Krab endures? Remember that blown out barrel? Some crews shot 6k shells at high charge, 4-6 times more than allowed
Doesn't matter at the end of the day. We all know every one of those SPGs is getting used FAR beyond their capabilities. Why are we surprised if some fail? They know the specs, they chose to ignore them, because it's easier to shell the enemy more and then just send it back for repairs then to use it slowly as intended
>4-6 times more than allowed
So the barrels endured more than 2 times their stimated use in combat? Sounds like good engineering to me, with decent safety margins.
Now they just need better hardened barrels with longer endurance.
wait wait wait i thought you were coping about the barrels bening germshit reinmetal? and thats why the one krab sipped its nob?
and now you are praising them for lasting 6k rounds ?????
Barrel was shit. Only because it was used in Polish SPG was it possible to shoot so many rounds
I'm commander Zelensky and Krab is my favorite artillery on this continent
Germsisters? Care to explain? This proof, provided by this totally unbiased Polish source, shows us ONCE AGAIN that Poland
This unbiased polish source is an actual expert in armored combat vehicles with contacts on the ground. Take it or present equally valuable German counterargument
I agree fellow Polish KING I also saw his credentials in this highly valid twitter post!
Good
His credentials seems fine. What are yours?
?t=367 fellow POLISH GODS I bring you PROOF of a German general LYING IN OUR FACES by proclaming that the government in Kiev called the pzh2000 the best weapon system they are currently using?! WE CANT LET THIS SLANDER STAND! POLSKA GUROM!
Sorry bro, your proof is not proofy enough
>nationalistic nonsense by a literally who pole
Pzh2k is dogshit confirmed?!?!?
>This proof
What proof? Why do you call everyone "sister" all the time? Are you a black lady? Can I have your phone number?
Didn't Ukraine just order 100 of the German ones?
Please don't spread misinformation, they also ordered 9000 Krab
They got 18 Krabs for free and ordered 60 more. Of which 36 have been transferred from active polish military already
>ordered 60 more
Lol 40 pieces less ordered then PzH2k
And they also ordered 18 RCH-155 systems too
actually they got 54 for free. The news dropped today.
Pretty big news. Add the another 54 contracted and it makes over a hundred. Looks like Ukraine gonna be the biggest Krab user in future .
That's ze German steel of ze Krab barrelz 🙂
Source?
Just another case of Carcinisation
Im in favour of any weapon resulting in more dead vatniks. Look, if Germany’s PzH2000 isn’t up to standard then it can be fixed or retired.
For the west this is what is so useful about the Ukrainian war, got a weapon system, give it to the Ukies and see how it performs in tough conditions with crews who have plenty of experience but little formal training in western arms. If it works, great! You have a weapon that is both effective in making mountains of Russian corpses and is functionally idiot proof. If it doesn’t, well back to the drawing board.
You know when we were kids and people used to play ‘my dad can beat up your dad’? Well now we can see empirically whose dad is bigger. In this case it’s the KRAB.
Six days war for a new generation. Except this time Russia forgot to use a proxy to test their equipment and doctrines.
Russia is just Iran proxy
german engineering b like
>press fire button
>SERVICE TURN SIGNAL LIGHTBULB lights up on the dashboard
>turret shuts down
why do they do it ? what does an ABS sensor got to do with a parking camera ?
>you shot 20 rounds already?
>Ah, ah, ah, time to rest!
Ah shit, here we go again
This sounds like classic polish seethe against germans. Most comments out there by ukies about the phz2000 are pretty positive, if anything because before they had only shitty soviet stuff to compare.
The same happened with the aussie bushmasters. Even non optimal western vehicles are much better than the russian crap, so ukies are happy anyway.
Those bushmasters were requested by Zelensky himself, so take that as you will.
Then why have Ukrainians ordered 100 PZH 2000?
>Delivery date 2030
Which means?
They counter on Germany doing the same as Poland and transferring active stock.
Aha? But why have Ukrainians ordered 100 PZH 2000? Why have they ordered a lower number of Krabs?
Germany gave Ukrainians credit line for buying stuff from German companies. So do French and British.
Non bait answer:
Because germans can deliver them and ua needs SPGs, doesn't matter if one is slightly worse or not, matter that it shoots infinite 155mm including western space magic rounds.
Krabs are produced by HSW which does not have the same production capacity and is tied down making them for poland already. Since the korea deal came through and poland will be moving away from krab towards k9a2 and such, krabs end production in couple of years.
>Because germans can deliver them
lol
I mean over many years but, yeah?
If you have a source to claim they can't churn 100 pzh in 7 years im all ears.
You Black folk can't stop the fricking Germany Poland fight for a minute (and as Deutschpole I think both camps are pretty moronic.)
PzH 2000 is a modern, elite howitzer but overengineered, therefore vulnerable to maintenance issues. But has unparalleled performance.
Krab is a modern, solid howitzer build a bit more rugged and cheaper, which also has it's advantage, and it's performance is still very competitive.
Both are doing it's job of killing RusBlack folk admirably and Ukraine is ordering as much as they can of both of them.
So stop the fricking pissing contest and be happy that Poland is based in it's support of Ukraine and delivers a 155mm kino death platform.
And that Germany's based weapon industry is also delivering kino 155mm death platforms if freed from the cuckery of German politics and the Black person tier militia called the Bundeswehr.
>You Black folk can't stop the fricking Germany Poland fight for a minute (and as Deutschpole I think both camps are pretty moronic.)
M8 half of those threads are Hans from Hamburg oblast arguing with Janusz from Warsaw oblast
Frick, we had supposed German threads appearing moments after supposed Polish threads and the other way round.
I bet that would /k/ have flags they'd forget to switch their VPN's like they did on /misc/ with how much they shill it
>Krab is one of the main suppliers of White Order
Ukraine Nazis confirmed
Nato weapons have been a total mess in Ukraine, all these precious toys that don’t work for shit but are Wunderwaffen on paper, it’s pathetic, really. Russia uses ass old tanks from 3 wars ago, artillery that saw combat in the 2. WW and still kicks in Natos shit in the Ukraine. Every months the propaganda is pushing another super weapon down our throat, first Javelin, then NLAW, then Lrab, PZH, Himars, etc. The impact of all these weapons was negligiert and just allowed the Ukraine to prolong the war and send an even greater amount of people to die.
>in the 2. WW
>was negligiert
halt die fresse bernd du hast von nichts eine ahnung
Ahaha, einer aus der Baerbock Jugend.
>unemployed ossi hands which keenly miss the DDR typed this post
I scheiß auf dei schwule Fress, du Neger. Nennst mich nochma n‘Ossl dann klatschts.
>moronic slavBlack folk are too dumb to properly make use of high-tech weaponry
color me surprised. glad they are smart enough to have figured out how to use the Krab instead
>random pole makes up shit about germany
Damn, is it already any day in the week again?
Jesus Christ, imagine the degree of buyer's remorse Ukraine must be experiencing right now after they ordered 100 Shithowitzer 2000. LMAO XDDDDD
They bought those after a few months of experience with the machines, they're notably superior to krabs and despite polish sabotage of Ukraine and Germany and in this conflict, they're doing well.
Yeah, right. That's why every guy on the ground and Twitter confirms that they feel creeped out by the Shithowitzer 2000. Ukraine is still one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, Germans took advantage of that, nothing more to it.
Cope.
It's not even cope at this point, it's malicious disinformation and sabotage. It's a good thing both Polish and German media managed to shine a light on this.
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET US USE YOUR PRODUCTION LINES TO SERVICE OUR WUNDERWAFFEEEEEEEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
On the contrary.
Poland demanded that Germany should hire Polish companies with no experience for it, Germany said German army engineers would maintain them at a depot near the border nowhere near Polish production lines.
Polish media is directly involved in it.
Keep lying.
I lied about none of it though.
Lie by ommision is still a lie.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Enlighten the rest of the class.
You know full well what I'm talking about lol
>trusting some greens member on anything much less arms
those are the cucks that wanted to further reduce gemanies armed forces, got the energy crisis rolling and have fethish hate against hunters and civilian owning funs
The polish government has confirmed it by now, tried to play it off as mean Germany demanding something completely unusual by wanting to service it themselves, but they didn't deny any of the facts
10 april is not "couple of months of experience". I'm not even sure if they got even one at that point lol.
They aren’t paying for these, what are you talking about? They just order on tab.
They could have used that same tab to order something good like... uhh... ehrm... damn... it's all shit isn't it? Maybe they already got somewhere lined up they can sell these to, but I doubt they'll find any buyers.
>very late damage control after Ukraine officially said PzH2k is better and ordered more of them
Why are there some people in Poland that keep trying to start drama where there is no need for any?
Who's actually paying them?
If that were actually the case, Poland wouldn't have tried to steal the technical data on the PZH2000 using their state-owned defense company.
One little dirty secret of the EU is the amount of industrial spionage between members. specially the french against germans.
>Germany demands access access to HSW facilities under pretense of "pzh2000 maintenance"
>Germany demands "nur fur Deutsche" on said facility
>Told politely to frick off
>KMW shills and Scholtz footstools begins diarrhea
Frankly, I hardly value German opinions ever since the Volkswagen emission scandal. Looks like Krauts are unable to learn on mistakes, question the official narrative or show modesty.
Pzh 2000 are fine on paper but a bit german autism comes into play when it hits the battlefield that requires high rate of fire, because it means you have to either
>fire faster
If you fire faster, they will break.
>get more guns
You can't get more guns, because it takes krauts a century to assemble new unit.
Basically the same shit they did at ww2 with their tiger autismo.
They're build to somewhat outdated doctrine.
- Carry as much ammo as possible
- Track enemy arty through COBRA radar
- Shoot barrage of shells, from the secure position
>Don't need to relocate as much, because of superior range
>Excellent software strictly tailored for PZH2000, but incompatible with other solutions
>Highly autonomous, but delivered without command vehicle or munition carrier
>Armored, heavy, reports claim somewhat clumsy during relocation
Meanwhile Krab
>Shoot and scoot, non stop two - three shots spam and immediate relocation
>Drone network providing recon through Topaz BMS
>Command vehicle doesn't stop neither, constantly on the move and coordinating fire through Topaz BMS
>Open architecture allows for implementation GIS ARTA into network
>Ammo delivery to secure location marked with Topaz BMS, to be picked up later
>Rugged loading system, withstand wear and tear
In hindsight, these vehicles are made to fulfill different roles. Under NATO air cover PZH2000 would do better IMHO.
>Under NATO air cover PZH2000 would do better IMHO.
That's the point. Under NATO air cover ukies wouldn't require such high artillery fire to begin with. But they don't have NATO air cover.
>polish source
homosexual
True, he should've cited a german source, since they're known for being so objective 🙂